If u give lebel or a name to an experience it means u have recorded that experience but if u don't give a name to any experience,just observe and go it simply it means u haven't recorded that experience.... Naming means u give a name to every experience either good or bad ..so don't say it is good or bad just observe 😊
If we just can look when we look and listen when we do. Recording and thinking don't have a place in action. But we always try multitasking. Thats why we have eyes but we don't see. And have ears but don't hear
The brain wants to accumulate and recognize soon due to factors of time, fear and social pressure to act on time on our daily basis. Even for forest dwellers have to do recording to act against strangers and animals to survive. It's a survival instinct from my understanding.
Mind will always find a rebuttal. To simply try to make this understood in a being able to convince 3D mindstates are Egoic mindgames. Jiddu's light was too much for this world, but there are those that..A pure, raw light is Jiddu Krishnamurti.
We all need to understand our position is the moment. The moment is where Jiddu is operating from. When you're attention is placed on/in the moment its immediate/dynamic. Consider the state of play in ones mind from the previous sentence.
I heard: Observe compassionately. Within the skill of intelligent ego, Self cannot be wounded. I might add that only in extremis, as Jack Kennedy alluded to, do 'we (still) forgive our enemies, but we remember their names'.
If someone hurts you, stills from you, etc., shouldent you react, keep away from that person, no to let do more harm to you? if so, is it the result of recording that someone do sth bad to you and you should keep him away?
Sirs, He is simply saying. That recording. Is necessary at the level of survival. But. Is it possible to observe a thing without any. Memory, prejudice, bias , or seeing. Through. The glass. Of. Our. Personality. Or ego …….. but. Purely. See a thing or observe. A thing. As it truly is. Am I right ? Sirs. Please somebody guide me.
I bow down to your service. I have been trying to understand K's teachings and I have also been impressed by his philosophy. Sir, one thing I don't understand. K had to fight many legal cases in his personal life. Why he himself did not apply his own philosophy in his personal life ? Pardon me for being unkind. I am asking as I am facing the same situation in my own life. Love from Punjab India
You are making the mistake of thinking that - trying to understand Krishnamurti's words - is the same as - trying to understand what fashion were his underpants.
Action is -- without an actor. Otherwise an actor coming into being is a reaction. That can come only when there is no notion of achieving anything from the action.Action for action sake.
My disparity with K is exactly on this subject of recording. We as a specie exist, mainly because of recording. We record danger, we record who was good to us, who was bad to us. We anticipate actions, that's a defense mechanism, that made possible our survival with this environment. K discarded all that. Now, he was pushed by this group, because not recording everything is a complete nonsense, and a direct contraction into human nature. When pushed, K becomes vague, and quotes the very same old lines. He talked about levels, and was asked to clarify what he meant by levels, because he was in contradiction. He began by presupposing with the same old 'let's assume' he didn't record that conversation, or even the individuals in the days to come, and that is not possible. He did this same thing various times. K is an outstanding energy, but he was guarded, and many had difficulties in disagreeing and asking him to clarify more often, and after the clarification, saying: 'I did not understand', or, 'that ain't what I asked', like school boys afraid to question their teacher. [edited: spelling]
I observed this too. Particularly with those who were apprehensive of asking him to clarify his explanations. Sometimes they're impatient in letting him clarify and they cut him off when he attempts to explain, but that happened few times. It is obvious Jiddu is a victim of the things he tries to get us to see but it is more important that he doesn't exonerate himself while he talks about them. Just like he admitted to being stupid here when someone said they didn't get it because they were stupid.
Most importantly, can we NOT record either praise or insult thrown at the “me”? k says only complete attention at that moment (when there is praise or an insult) wipes away the recording (like the men in black movie) 😂 So, why is praise a problem? It leaves a mark which prevents clarity of the mind. Anyways, the closer u look at urself, the more understanding there is
If u give lebel or a name to an experience it means u have recorded that experience but if u don't give a name to any experience,just observe and go it simply it means u haven't recorded that experience....
Naming means u give a name to every experience either good or bad ..so don't say it is good or bad just observe 😊
Very important exchange. Very insightful to understand Krishnamurti.❤🙏
He is mind blowing ❤❤ on recording without observation
If we just can look when we look and listen when we do. Recording and thinking don't have a place in action. But we always try multitasking.
Thats why we have eyes but we don't see. And have ears but don't hear
The brain wants to accumulate and recognize soon due to factors of time, fear and social pressure to act on time on our daily basis. Even for forest dwellers have to do recording to act against strangers and animals to survive. It's a survival instinct from my understanding.
recording is the self 🙏🙏❤
What a lovely comment. What does it mean?
Mind will always find a rebuttal. To simply try to make this understood in a being able to convince 3D mindstates are Egoic mindgames. Jiddu's light was too much for this world, but there are those that..A pure, raw light is Jiddu Krishnamurti.
We all need to understand our position is the moment. The moment is where Jiddu is operating from. When you're attention is placed on/in the moment its immediate/dynamic. Consider the state of play in ones mind from the previous sentence.
Your position is the witness. The witness state is just one state of perspective within duality.
K. is totally outsider in between those kids
I heard: Observe compassionately. Within the skill of intelligent ego, Self cannot be wounded. I might add that only in extremis, as Jack Kennedy alluded to, do 'we (still) forgive our enemies, but we remember their names'.
If someone hurts you, stills from you, etc., shouldent you react, keep away from that person, no to let do more harm to you? if so, is it the result of recording that someone do sth bad to you and you should keep him away?
He means to not record “psychologically”.
Exactamente eso es tal cual lo que él se refiere
To recording what is happening
In pure awareness (observation), there is no thought generation. Therefore, nothing can be recorded as memory.
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Love jk❤❤❤
Sirs,
He is simply saying. That recording. Is necessary at the level of survival. But. Is it possible to observe a thing without any. Memory, prejudice, bias , or seeing. Through. The glass. Of. Our. Personality. Or ego …….. but. Purely. See a thing or observe. A thing. As it truly is.
Am I right ? Sirs. Please somebody guide me.
🙏❤️🌎🌿🕊🎵🎶🎵
😊
Who seas the buddha again in him🙏🙏
6:40 what do you think he means by the word "inwardly"?
I bow down to your service. I have been trying to understand K's teachings and I have also been impressed by his philosophy.
Sir, one thing I don't understand. K had to fight many legal cases in his personal life. Why he himself did not apply his own philosophy in his personal life ?
Pardon me for being unkind. I am asking as I am facing the same situation in my own life.
Love from Punjab India
What makes you think, that he didn’t apply what he was sharing?
You are making the mistake of thinking that - trying to understand Krishnamurti's words - is the same as - trying to understand what fashion were his underpants.
If u observe than there is automatically no recording that's it mmm
And when we truely. Observe like that what happens to what we are observing ?
I guess you see it for what it is not what you make it to be
Action is -- without an actor. Otherwise an actor coming into being is a reaction. That can come only when there is no notion of achieving anything from the action.Action for action sake.
Ah, the memory becomes the recorder because you are what you identify with in manifeststion. Without manifestation there isn't non being.
My disparity with K is exactly on this subject of recording. We as a specie exist, mainly because of recording. We record danger, we record who was good to us, who was bad to us. We anticipate actions, that's a defense mechanism, that made possible our survival with this environment. K discarded all that. Now, he was pushed by this group, because not recording everything is a complete nonsense, and a direct contraction into human nature. When pushed, K becomes vague, and quotes the very same old lines. He talked about levels, and was asked to clarify what he meant by levels, because he was in contradiction. He began by presupposing with the same old 'let's assume' he didn't record that conversation, or even the individuals in the days to come, and that is not possible. He did this same thing various times. K is an outstanding energy, but he was guarded, and many had difficulties in disagreeing and asking him to clarify more often, and after the clarification, saying: 'I did not understand', or, 'that ain't what I asked', like school boys afraid to question their teacher.
[edited: spelling]
I observed this too. Particularly with those who were apprehensive of asking him to clarify his explanations. Sometimes they're impatient in letting him clarify and they cut him off when he attempts to explain, but that happened few times.
It is obvious Jiddu is a victim of the things he tries to get us to see but it is more important that he doesn't exonerate himself while he talks about them. Just like he admitted to being stupid here when someone said they didn't get it because they were stupid.
Get rid of the conseptualised mind...! Get rid of the illusion of self..😲
Most importantly, can we NOT record either praise or insult thrown at the “me”? k says only complete attention at that moment (when there is praise or an insult) wipes away the recording (like the men in black movie) 😂 So, why is praise a problem? It leaves a mark which prevents clarity of the mind. Anyways, the closer u look at urself, the more understanding there is
In a way he is implying to become karmayogi
God I can only imagine the uselessness of their "scientific approach"😅