The difference in the casting finish and web thickness is because of a complete difference in casting technology. The 2.0 block you have is a sand cast block, hence the rough surface finish and need for thicker webbing and wall thickness. The 2.3 block is a metal diecast block, a much more modern technique. With metal dies, the surface finish is considerably smoother than sand cast. With metal dies, they can pump the molten aluminum in under pressure, and achieve a denser casting, and can even control grain direction. The webbing and walls don't need to be as thick, because they are stronger for a giving thickness. However, the only way to do a metal die block is with open deck. It's hard to tell because you have the strap ontop of the 2.3, but it looks like the newer casting that Ford changed to address the coolant leakage between cylinders 2-3. The original design had a slit between the bores that caused head gasket blow outs and wall cracking, the updated blocks have no slit and have a coolant hole drilled between the bores.
@juanluistejadarosario7116 Unfortunately, Ford recently discontinued production of the block. Some should be floating around somewhere, but getting anything new from now on will be near impossible.
Do you know how this relates to the 1.6L, 2.0L, 2.5L / 4 cylinder ecoboost sizes? 2016 Ford Escape, for instance. Is it just basically more horespower? I would think the bigger engine would be less strain on the ecoboost and be better overall for longevity and overall better performance.
it looks like the holes where the old oil filter passage are for you to self tap fittings for a remote oil cooler and oil filter setup. a lot of Nissan RB engines will plugged off the old oil filter location and run a remote oil cooler/filter combo with longer oil lines for more oil capacity and more volume = better cooling.
That was one possibility I was thinking about, though the rep at MAPerformance didn't mention anything about it. They claim everything that bolts to a 2.3L block, bolts to this one except the engine mount brackets. An oil cooler would be great to put on, but that will have to be down the road a little. I'm gonna have to call them and verify.
Several comments here that are incorrect. the 2.3rs block is infact a discast block as earlier mentioned, but the 2.0 block is CGI(compacted graphite iron) which is why its lighter even though its thicker. CGI actually gets weaker when cast over .50 inches (iirc) which is why all the critical areas are all .40 and .44 etc. CGI is what ford uses in the 6.7 powerstroke block as well. Several super high HP capable blocks are made of CGI.
The 2.7 is cgi, both the 2.3 and 2.0 are aluminum, and neither are die cast, they are pressure cast. The only real difference is the open top. The 2.3 here was developed to be lighter and have better cooling ablilty, but both came from the same core 2.0, this the similarities.
As far as I know, the 2L still has the water pump housing in the same place. The coolant in the oil problem was from ecoboost engines that used a water pump inside the engine that was driven by the timing chain.
When it comes to oil I wouldn't get hung up on the size of the ports. Long as it's there it's clean and there's enough of it you're fine. Most cylinder heads have oil restrictors going from the block to the head. And they'll be tiny and it still has to do all the valve all the hydraulic lifters.
I don't know the part number of the block. It's either a Focus ST specific block, or just a standard 2.0 block that you would find in a Ford Fusion from 2015 on up. Evidently, there's a difference between the two where they were casted, and the ST blocks are said to be stronger. The head is just a standard 2.3 head for a 2020 Mustang.
Current as of 10/24 2.0L EB Service Long Block with no slits between cylinders is J2GZ-6006-E for 2015 to 2018 Edge, Escape, Fusion, Lincoln MKC, MKZ 2016 -2019 cost is about $2.6k. Current 2.0l EB Service Short Block with no slits between cylinders is F2GZ-6009-E cost is about $2.1k Getting the head and timing installed and already set, with 3 year warranty is easily worth the 500 bones. Be very cautios of buying used. 2015 to 2019 2.0l blocks had coolant slits between the cylinders for increased cooling that caused head gasket failure.
You forgot to mention the little coolant slits between each cylinder wall with the yellow pull strap. 👍 The culprit and demise of that block design. your better off putting that block in the garbage can, and if you sell it, I would feel very guilty and sorry for the buyer. Have a great day
@@KarzKreated: As I understand it, the 1st generation Ecoboost 2.0 L used the Mazda L block with the closed deck. The ST for 2013 & 2014 had that engine with a special Ford designed head.
The focus ST. It may have come in other models in the early twenty teens, but it for sure came with the focus ST. Then there's the semi closed version that is found in most vehicles with the 2.0. There's also the 2.5 that has the same block design, but it has a taller deck height.
Yes. The 2.3 mounts will work with a 2.0 block. However, there is a small difference between the two. The driver's side is identical. The passenger side mount works, but the 2.0 block only has 3 of the 4 bolt holes. So you can reuse the factory mounts, minus one bolt on the passenger side.
@karzkreated Yeah man you're a real trail blazer. I have a '22 2.3 HPP myself and am wondering what is possible. I was always wondering if the RS block of the HPP is sleeved or not and the head difference was. Looks like the air intake is much more open than the regular 2.3 head though. Not trying to make more than 400 flywheel HP and tq myself, but this kind of stuff makes me consider just how much the 2.3 HPP is safely capable of.
The HPP can easily handle 400 HP, and anything beyond that is questionable. It's never how much it can take, but how long it can take it. The RS stuff is better in the sense that it's stronger, but at the end of the day it's still a 2.3 with 2.3 limitations.
@@KarzKreated As long as it can take it for 6 years with no track time and just some spirited highway driving that's good enough for me. Not so young anymore and just looking for some fun here and there and for FFS I like the auto but man it's hunting and hesitation drives me nutz.
@@rabidduck1089 it should be at that power level. It's not that much higher than stock. And I know what you mean with the 10R80! The factory trans tuning is horrendous! After I tune the engine in mine, I'm doing a trans tune.
I don't think the cobb canned tunes are all that bad, but a custom tune is definitely the way to go. I'm sure a basic E30 tune wakes these cars up big time. But a decently hot 93 tune should definitely get you to your power goal.
Google Gen 2 Ecoboost connecting rod. Gen 2 rods are physically thicker and stronger than Gen 1. Gen 2 rods will bend rather than break, which is the preferred worst case scenario.
Thx. Yeah what Ive heard. They all need to be built for any more than 350 tq for real reliability. Out of the platform now for that very reason. Not my concern anymore.
They are excellent. Owned both gen1 & gen2- 2.0L GTDI Ecoboost an both served me well. Good basic maintenance goes a long way. Both ran Better than my GFs Rav4. She now has a Bronco Sport.
@KarzKreated Though even that is quite rare. Owned both gen1 & gen2 - 2.0L GTDI Ecoboost an they served me well for near 200k mis. Both sold running well! Good basic maintenance i.e full synthetic oil every 5k mis /Motorcraft filters etc is wise on any vehicles esp turbo DI.
You can find it in many different Ford vehicles. Fusion, Escape, Focus, Maverick, Taurus, Edge, Explorer, and a few Lincoln vehicles. With that said, those engines are considered "semi closed" deck engines, whereas the Focus ST version is the only 2.0 engine to have a closed deck engine block. That's mainly the reason why it's sought-after for higher hp builds.
Somebody for the love of Christ please help me i just want to know if the transmission out of an ecoboost will tie up with a 2013 2.0L focus sfe because if this thing quits on me again I'm gonna explode
Open deck has a lack of support around the periphery at the top of the bore which allows ovality, splitting and warpage. A closed deck offers the stiffness to abate this, but runs engine temperatures a little warmer.
TS block was used in builds for awhile and is comparable to the ST block. They just stopped producing them, however, the semi-closed deck and more coolant passages allow better cooling. There’s usually some sort of trade off. I have a FBO/NX2/E30 HPP+HP making respectable power. It’s all about maintenance, not doing stupid shit to the car, and luck. I also have $15,000 stowed away when it goes to either go built motor, or go GT 10R80, LT Headers, Intake, Exhaust, E85 and make 500whp and 475wtq cheap and reliably. I’m not far off now with my build, but I’ve put about $12,000 into engine mods/drivetrain mods and tuning already. We used to be in the same FB group for HPP’s. Hope you have that car running soon
Not much engineering analysis going on here. Read the comments for better info. I have owned both and enjoyed both. I will say the torque from the 2.3 is pretty impressive in my new Explorer.
1) one is a V one is inline The v6 has 2 rows of pistons next to each that’s the ranger The Chevy designed the eco boosts in the video. 2) the ranger 2.7 v6 has twin turbos because there are two one for the left and right row of cylinders.
I just finished my 2.0 stroked block Mustang check my videos for the oil filter adapter I have 10000 miles on my fresh block no problems original 2.3 adapter on the 2.0 block
Hi guys,i m preparing 2.0 block for my rs cylinder head and as i saw many builders fullfill this oil/water? channel that rs head hasnt.Did you also did it?I said my cnc shop to fullfill it with aluminum foil
I've heard the newer ones don't hold up as well. Something about Ford out sourcing the casting to another company. I've also heard that Mazda's version Is also stronger than the later Ford 2.0 EB.
Damn, if thats the case, these are engineering marvels! Ive seen plenty of 2.0 ecoboost with 300k miles and still going strong. Sure, walnut blasting carbon from direct port injection and common maintenance. But the block, pistons, even turbo still going
The difference in the casting finish and web thickness is because of a complete difference in casting technology. The 2.0 block you have is a sand cast block, hence the rough surface finish and need for thicker webbing and wall thickness. The 2.3 block is a metal diecast block, a much more modern technique. With metal dies, the surface finish is considerably smoother than sand cast. With metal dies, they can pump the molten aluminum in under pressure, and achieve a denser casting, and can even control grain direction. The webbing and walls don't need to be as thick, because they are stronger for a giving thickness. However, the only way to do a metal die block is with open deck. It's hard to tell because you have the strap ontop of the 2.3, but it looks like the newer casting that Ford changed to address the coolant leakage between cylinders 2-3. The original design had a slit between the bores that caused head gasket blow outs and wall cracking, the updated blocks have no slit and have a coolant hole drilled between the bores.
Great point!
What year of mustangs would that be with the issues?
I want to know for future reference
Where can I get an Updated block ? Im looking for it, part number o place where I can get it, Thanks ! Greetings from DR .
@juanluistejadarosario7116 Unfortunately, Ford recently discontinued production of the block. Some should be floating around somewhere, but getting anything new from now on will be near impossible.
FYI: There are many different versions of the 2.0 engine. You could do a video just comparing all of those.
Bigger holes or higher volume passages aren’t always better, certain passages may be smaller for higher velocity (flow faster)
Fair point. I didn't think about that.
Do you know how this relates to the 1.6L, 2.0L, 2.5L / 4 cylinder ecoboost sizes?
2016 Ford Escape, for instance.
Is it just basically more horespower? I would think the bigger engine would be less strain on the ecoboost and be better overall for longevity and overall better performance.
it looks like the holes where the old oil filter passage are for you to self tap fittings for a remote oil cooler and oil filter setup.
a lot of Nissan RB engines will plugged off the old oil filter location and run a remote oil cooler/filter combo with longer oil lines for more oil capacity and more volume = better cooling.
That was one possibility I was thinking about, though the rep at MAPerformance didn't mention anything about it. They claim everything that bolts to a 2.3L block, bolts to this one except the engine mount brackets. An oil cooler would be great to put on, but that will have to be down the road a little. I'm gonna have to call them and verify.
Thoes 4 bangers motors are pretty fun definitely sound great as well
Several comments here that are incorrect. the 2.3rs block is infact a discast block as earlier mentioned, but the 2.0 block is CGI(compacted graphite iron) which is why its lighter even though its thicker. CGI actually gets weaker when cast over .50 inches (iirc) which is why all the critical areas are all .40 and .44 etc. CGI is what ford uses in the 6.7 powerstroke block as well. Several super high HP capable blocks are made of CGI.
Great information. Thanks for sharing!
The 2.7 is cgi, both the 2.3 and 2.0 are aluminum, and neither are die cast, they are pressure cast. The only real difference is the open top. The 2.3 here was developed to be lighter and have better cooling ablilty, but both came from the same core 2.0, this the similarities.
IT'S ALUMINUM
5:05 The word you were looking for is called... Bossed. For the mounting holes on the block.
Meaning: More strength/ Sured up. Age.67.
Thanks!
I am wondering 2024 2 litre water pump failure does the coolant go into oil pan?
As far as I know, the 2L still has the water pump housing in the same place. The coolant in the oil problem was from ecoboost engines that used a water pump inside the engine that was driven by the timing chain.
When it comes to oil I wouldn't get hung up on the size of the ports. Long as it's there it's clean and there's enough of it you're fine. Most cylinder heads have oil restrictors going from the block to the head. And they'll be tiny and it still has to do all the valve all the hydraulic lifters.
Any chance you have a part number for the block or which years it came out of? Which head are you using?
I don't know the part number of the block. It's either a Focus ST specific block, or just a standard 2.0 block that you would find in a Ford Fusion from 2015 on up. Evidently, there's a difference between the two where they were casted, and the ST blocks are said to be stronger. The head is just a standard 2.3 head for a 2020 Mustang.
Current as of 10/24 2.0L EB Service Long Block with no slits between cylinders is J2GZ-6006-E for 2015 to 2018 Edge, Escape, Fusion, Lincoln MKC, MKZ 2016 -2019 cost is about $2.6k.
Current 2.0l EB Service Short Block with no slits between cylinders is F2GZ-6009-E cost is about $2.1k
Getting the head and timing installed and already set, with 3 year warranty is easily worth the 500 bones.
Be very cautios of buying used. 2015 to 2019 2.0l blocks had coolant slits between the cylinders for increased cooling that caused head gasket failure.
You forgot to mention the little coolant slits between each cylinder wall with the yellow pull strap. 👍
The culprit and demise of that block design.
your better off putting that block in the garbage can, and if you sell it, I would feel very guilty and sorry for the buyer.
Have a great day
I would love to see the differences between these blocks vs the mzr 2.3
I would be curious to. I believe the MZR block is mostly identical to the Focus ST block.
@@KarzKreated: As I understand it, the 1st generation Ecoboost 2.0 L used the Mazda L block with the closed deck. The ST for 2013 & 2014 had that engine with a special Ford designed head.
I would rather have the 2.3 block with a Deck plate
Do they make a deck plate for them?
@@Camdynslife: Mountune USA had them for a while. They might still carry them but the6 aren’t cheap.
So what year or application did the closed deck block come from?
The focus ST. It may have come in other models in the early twenty teens, but it for sure came with the focus ST. Then there's the semi closed version that is found in most vehicles with the 2.0. There's also the 2.5 that has the same block design, but it has a taller deck height.
wonder if thats why the RS uses 50 weight oil
Greetings brother, I hope all is well, I hope I get an answer for my question, did both 2.3 mounts bolted to the 2.0?
Yes. The 2.3 mounts will work with a 2.0 block. However, there is a small difference between the two. The driver's side is identical. The passenger side mount works, but the 2.0 block only has 3 of the 4 bolt holes. So you can reuse the factory mounts, minus one bolt on the passenger side.
@KarzKreated thank you so much for the fast response. This helps greatly, I truly appreciate it. Keep up the great work
@karzkreated Yeah man you're a real trail blazer. I have a '22 2.3 HPP myself and am wondering what is possible. I was always wondering if the RS block of the HPP is sleeved or not and the head difference was. Looks like the air intake is much more open than the regular 2.3 head though. Not trying to make more than 400 flywheel HP and tq myself, but this kind of stuff makes me consider just how much the 2.3 HPP is safely capable of.
The HPP can easily handle 400 HP, and anything beyond that is questionable. It's never how much it can take, but how long it can take it. The RS stuff is better in the sense that it's stronger, but at the end of the day it's still a 2.3 with 2.3 limitations.
@@KarzKreated As long as it can take it for 6 years with no track time and just some spirited highway driving that's good enough for me. Not so young anymore and just looking for some fun here and there and for FFS I like the auto but man it's hunting and hesitation drives me nutz.
@@rabidduck1089 it should be at that power level. It's not that much higher than stock. And I know what you mean with the 10R80! The factory trans tuning is horrendous! After I tune the engine in mine, I'm doing a trans tune.
@@KarzKreated I plan on going through PD Tuning myself. I already have an Accessport, but I'm not bothering to run those canned tunes on it.
I don't think the cobb canned tunes are all that bad, but a custom tune is definitely the way to go. I'm sure a basic E30 tune wakes these cars up big time. But a decently hot 93 tune should definitely get you to your power goal.
Do you have solid evidence that in 2020 a new, stronger rod is used compared to the older 2.3 blocks?
Google Gen 2 Ecoboost connecting rod. Gen 2 rods are physically thicker and stronger than Gen 1. Gen 2 rods will bend rather than break, which is the preferred worst case scenario.
Thx. Yeah what Ive heard. They all need to be built for any more than 350 tq for real reliability. Out of the platform now for that very reason. Not my concern anymore.
They are excellent. Owned both gen1 & gen2- 2.0L GTDI Ecoboost an both served me well. Good basic maintenance goes a long way. Both ran Better than my GFs Rav4. She now has a Bronco Sport.
@KarzKreated Though even that is quite rare. Owned both gen1 & gen2 - 2.0L GTDI Ecoboost an they served me well for near 200k mis. Both sold running well! Good basic maintenance i.e full synthetic oil every 5k mis /Motorcraft filters etc is wise on any vehicles esp turbo DI.
@@gbass7328 Why not your concern? These are excellent, stoutly designed engines in every regard.
assembly on the way 👍
Soon! A little drama with ordering the head gasket. That issue in itself is worthy of its own video because the company is being really scummy.
Aww how sad
What car is the 2.0 engine from
You can find it in many different Ford vehicles. Fusion, Escape, Focus, Maverick, Taurus, Edge, Explorer, and a few Lincoln vehicles. With that said, those engines are considered "semi closed" deck engines, whereas the Focus ST version is the only 2.0 engine to have a closed deck engine block. That's mainly the reason why it's sought-after for higher hp builds.
Somebody for the love of Christ please help me i just want to know if the transmission out of an ecoboost will tie up with a 2013 2.0L focus sfe because if this thing quits on me again I'm gonna explode
Well, how long till you blow this one up?
This one isn't going to blow up. Built far beyond what I'm going to run with every precaution taken to mitigate sealing problems.
Until he pours an entire gallon of lucas oil in the gas tank 😂
@@728GT 🤪😂
Nah 😂 We ain't gonna do that again! #nochances
@@KarzKreated good man I want this build to be good and I wish the best as I watch it.
Why is there so many head gasket issues with open block design??
Open deck has a lack of support around the periphery at the top of the bore which allows ovality, splitting and warpage. A closed deck offers the stiffness to abate this, but runs engine temperatures a little warmer.
Are these engines the new ford MPC engine?
Not at all. Both are previous generation engines.
2.0 is king.
About time mfg's start going away from open deck blocks.
Cheaper to make and finish as I understand it. Money always comes first.
TS block was used in builds for awhile and is comparable to the ST block. They just stopped producing them, however, the semi-closed deck and more coolant passages allow better cooling. There’s usually some sort of trade off. I have a FBO/NX2/E30 HPP+HP making respectable power. It’s all about maintenance, not doing stupid shit to the car, and luck. I also have $15,000 stowed away when it goes to either go built motor, or go GT 10R80, LT Headers, Intake, Exhaust, E85 and make 500whp and 475wtq cheap and reliably. I’m not far off now with my build, but I’ve put about $12,000 into engine mods/drivetrain mods and tuning already. We used to be in the same FB group for HPP’s. Hope you have that car running soon
Not much engineering analysis going on here. Read the comments for better info. I have owned both and enjoyed both. I will say the torque from the 2.3 is pretty impressive in my new Explorer.
Good thing it's not an engineering video. The 2.0 ST block is objectively better than the 2.3. This video is a simple comparison between the two.
What is the difference between GMC/CHEVORLET 2.7 FOUR CYLINDER, and FORD RANGER’S NEW 2.7 V6?
1) one is a V one is inline
The v6 has 2 rows of pistons next to each that’s the ranger
The Chevy designed the eco boosts in the video.
2) the ranger 2.7 v6 has twin turbos because there are two one for the left and right row of cylinders.
For longevity get the 2.5.
that is an unintelligent comment.
2.3 is a more reliable overall engine than a 2.0
I just finished my 2.0 stroked block Mustang check my videos
for the oil filter adapter I have 10000 miles on my fresh block no problems original 2.3 adapter on the 2.0 block
Built my self
Oh cool! Does your block also have the same circle ports for the oil inlet and outlet?
Hi guys,i m preparing 2.0 block for my rs cylinder head and as i saw many builders fullfill this oil/water? channel that rs head hasnt.Did you also did it?I said my cnc shop to fullfill it with aluminum foil
*"Cast", not "casted".
That RS is lightened like a mofo..Also COOLING INITIATED..
i have the 2012 2.0 Ecobest motor the best one don't like 2016 one
I've heard the newer ones don't hold up as well. Something about Ford out sourcing the casting to another company. I've also heard that Mazda's version Is also stronger than the later Ford 2.0 EB.
this is why i am seeing ppl changing over to the 2.0
I don't care what they do with them every Ecoboost engine ever made is a piece of garbage and you'll never be able to convince me otherwise
Anything "boosted" is garbage, maker immaterial. Using half the size engine necessary and using a turbo to make up for it cuts engine life in half.
Damn, if thats the case, these are engineering marvels! Ive seen plenty of 2.0 ecoboost with 300k miles and still going strong. Sure, walnut blasting carbon from direct port injection and common maintenance. But the block, pistons, even turbo still going
Casted😮😂 wtf??