This would make sense because the land of snipers could actually be God Valley, where Buggy was born and rescued by Roger. This would mean that Sogeking is an undercover revolutionary army tactician taking on the guise of an emperor and former apprentice of the pirate king to overthrow his parent, Imu. This would explain why he has not made an excessive move yet because he's currently waiting for Luffy aka Joyboy to finally fight against the "celestial dragon" Shanks who has long suppressed Buggy since childhood after finding out that Buggy aka Sogeking intentionally got sick to cleverly manipulate the rat Shanks to stay and care for him, so he wouldn't reach the answers of the void century and report to his master Imu aka Luffys mom! Buggy is cleverly guiding his brother to the truth and prevent their mother from finding out who the real father is or else shed sue for child support! It's all coming together now
Roger was probably broken. Reminder he used a technique as a greeting for a fight, which Shanks used to go for an instant win. Imagine what else he had.
@@spicywater9301 Its also the only named attack that they both used. It's not an indication of how much stronger he is than Shanks. Roger was just less serious. Luffy's gum gum pistol would also be stronger if he was angry please use common sense.
Heavily downplaying whitebeard considering Garp helped roger take down rocks. There’s no argument against whitebeard not being able to beat rocks if he had a monster like garp with him
@@jamesonedwardsii4943 there’s not evidence that he hasn’t not stop it that’s not a good argument. And I never said garp was stronger than roger idk where you got that from
@@jamesonedwardsii4943 then what was the point of saying roger wasn’t working under anyone stronger? I’m assuming you meant garp as the someone weaker bc I can’t see who else you would be talking abt besides him and Rayleigh considering that’s all we know he’s fought with. So even I’m wrong I’m clearly not just making shit up don’t insult my intelligence and make your argument clearer.
@@TrafalgarD.Wat3rLaw again are you okay? I’m clearly talking about you trying to gas up Whitebeard and downplay Roger. It’s simple Roger was THEEEE GUY!!!! Can you show any evidence of Roger not being HIM?!?! He started the great pirate era, everyone is chasing after his treasure, whitebeard and Shanks were still waiting for someone based on his words. I get tired of you dudes trying to downplay Roger when he’s the GOAT in the One Piece verse 😭
Teach was extremely overplayed in this. Sure he could do damage with quake but rogers haki would be able to cut through and cancel out darkness fruit and stop him from being pulled in. Without advanced conquerors I couldn’t see teach being able to get past rogers advanced armament in the first place.
first teach was not over played roger already wasn’t that strong in he’s own era prime white,big mom,and kaido all could have easily put a stop to him but all either didn’t care enough,we’re friends with roger,simply had no desire to become the king of the pirates.sure roger could clash with someone like white beard but he would not be able to beat a fruit with the destructive capability to destroy the world and because black has the fruit with such capabilities and more at his disposal i’d be able to see him beating roger alone low-mid diff even someone like shanks i feel has enough just dp to take down roger from what we have seen.
@@Kahhme Kaido had difficulties beating Oden. Meanwhile Roger sent Oden flying away in one swing and that sealed the deal. How can you even watch/read one piece and come up to the conclusion that Roger, the guy that conquered Grand line and became Pirate king, wasn’t that strong in he’s own era.
@@Nathan-gm9nl because he simply wasn’t oden only gave kaido a scar then after he got 2 shot but let’s move away from kaido white-beard was definitely stronger then roger as white was stated to have the destructive capability to destroy the world yet wrong can’t barely be scaled to multi-continental so even if u don’t think kaido is stronger white beard definitely is
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@@smal750 dawg at the very least they are equal, this has been shown as well. they have somewhat comparable haki and Whitebeard has an extremely powerful devil fruit.
We don't know if rocks was stronger than prime whitebeard because garp and roger fight him before whitebeard got the title of the strongest man. Whitebeard,roger and garp could of got stronger than him or strong as him.
It was stated Rocks was Roger’s strongest enemy therefore he’s stronger than prime WB and even before he obtained the title of strongest man it was said he was still a powerful pirate.
@@rgat1756 well that doesn't mean he was stronger than prime whitebeard. Roger didn't really considered whitebeard and garp was his enemy. Whitebeard never try stop roger from going after his dream or did he go around hurting people. Plus they said whitebeard was roger equal. So that mean they are the same strength. Roger respect whitebeard,garp and sengoku the most even though they fight him. He never real considered them to be enemy. But rocks on the hand he had to bed stop because of what he was doing that why he and garp team up. So years did pass after thah fight. which mean the characters could of got stronger than him. Roger,garp and whitebeard was young at that time.
@@rgat1756It’s stated that Rocks was probably the most formidable enemy who Roger ever fought which makes sense because of the crew and ambitions he had which went against Rogers WB would not be considered an enemy to Roger so that statement doesn’t hold up Roger and WB reached their primes a decade after the god valley incident! Not to mention WB was the only man to be able and go up against Roger equally Rocks has one statement which doesn’t really hold up while people like Roger and WB have multiple statements on being the strongest
@@jack.b1747Dude it was already confirmed that Xebec is the strongest opponent Roger had ever faced ( in chapter 957 ) that includes Prime Whitebeard and Prime Garp !!! And Whitebeard was 35 years in god alley so he was already in his Prime !! Xebec > Prime Whitebeard Xebec > Prime Garp
I think Oda really confused people with what they said about Kaido. And it's fine to think Kaido is the strongest known character ever. But his reputation does not match the Pirate King. He said it himself, which he was clearly referring to his strength. Kaido might be the most durable character in the story we'll see though.
@@jaahman0098 From what the narrator said in the introduction of Kaido was. "Kaido is the world's strongest creature, land, sea, and sky. One on one, bet on Kaido."
I kinda believe my own theory that roger discovering laughtale was never supposed to happen but because of his overwhelming Haki, in this case his Will or Ambition, he managed to overwrite the prediction of the Void century peoples about the future (in my own theory, i think D clan only predicted Joyboys return, not Roger discovering laughtale). Which is also the reason why Roger 1v1 Yonko is a win for the Pirate King
@@Whatifwekissedyou think to much bullshit. 1 illness affects Haki as it was seen with whitebeard never with Roger tho. 2 the doctor of the Roger pirates literally said his illness never affected his abbility to fight. Using rogers illness is a weak ass facking excuse that isn't even valid.
I would like to add that Law and Kid took similar attacks from BM and have similar portrayal so unless BB did a Shanks if it was Roger Law would have gotten Kid'ed @@TraeshawnMitchell
This is quarter of a Roger who had just been beaten by WB, BM, Luffy and Kaido. Dawg may as well be crippled, he ain't ever dodging like he used to before after all that
@@ThePaeppa bb jumped law and still either mid diff or high diff (laws crew sucks) bb is getting blitz by roger who is weaker than shanks same shanks who one shotted kid
@@PandyEX. how, we have more feats on shanks, he could clas with easy vs whitebeard who was rogers rival. Shanks has all adcancef haki types and is called the observation haki killer. His fs is so strong he literally saw a lot of the future what kid would do to his crew. New gen > old gen, new gen will always be better than the previous
Also IMO if you do make, what if ace reached his full potential maybe also make what if Roger never died, and was there for Ace, rouge his lover, it may be, he may have an impact on Luffy and many more videos
Given that Law could not move people with his fruit due to their Haki, its very likely blackhole would not work on someone of Rogers caliber. Also Whitebeard got bullshitted by taking his Marineford version, WB was near equal to Roger in his prime. Prime WB also solos everyone on the list barring maybe Shanks.
bro ain't no way this dude is losing only like 15 hp going through big mom. yeah fucking right. zeus, hera, prometheus all make it an extremely difficult fight, not to mention her ridiculous natural durability she had since being a child. mid-high diff fight for Roger
Right... Big Mom was NERFED during her fight with Law and Kid. I don't think people realize that. She ONLY relied on her fruit power. If she had used Color of Conquerors Haki AND her devil fruit, they would be dead. She looked at them as kids, who she shouldn't waste her time using Conquerors Haki on and underestimated them.
No way you think roger doesn’t blitz big mom, shanks and roger are similar except roger was stronger. And we know how big mom didn’t want to fight shanks unless she was with kaido
@@primisoda1400oda made the mistake of making her too powerful so he needed to nerf her, thats it they didn't even really beat her, just on a technicality cause she got in the hole and died, she didn't wven take that much damage and she was putting in serious work
And film red portrays the powers of the characters Not their strength That means characters who have never shown their powers like roux yasopp and beckman actually get some that are canon
@@dsw-2898jus shut up bro Ig I can get past everything else besides the kid statement like it jus you being ultra hater shanks speed blitzed and one shot kid cope about it
Dont forget, black beard takes 3x the pain in exchange for the dark fruit, so 1-2 VERY VERY strong attack from roger like the one portrayed in roger vs prime white beard would undoubtedly beat black beard
@@Personati0n but roger was also young when he fought rock He most probably have become stronger He was tooo young . You can see if you eead latest chapters So its still a mystery who is stronger
The whitebeard disrespect is crazy whitebeard is arguably stronger than roger he has feats and statements to back him up and we know that he wasn’t in his prime during god valley roger just had a way stronger crew.
@@Somebeedude clown white beard has to train twice as hard cause he got a devil + haki to train all Roger gotta do is train his haki and haki more stronger than devil fruit stop talking shit
I mean we dont really know how strong admirals were back in Rogers days, I mean its not unlikely, that the Marine currently has the strongest generation with Akainu on top who will certainly become the strongest Marine ever and with that surpassing Garp and then there is only the question how close the current admirals are to Akainu
*Spoilers* Well there's a few chapters where old Garp fights with Aokiji and a few members of Blackbeards crew, where he does quite well against all of them. He looses of course but his main objective was to save koby and even got stabbed to protect him. Anyway, Old Garp gives Aokiji a run for his money, and Aokiji was someone who fought with Akainu for 10 days straight showing them to be of almost equal strength. Point is old garp is still a contender for admirals so it's hard to call them stronger than previous marine admirals.
@@whynot9962 So yeah I know these chapters, and yeah Garp does well, very well and yeah he fought on equal terms with Kuzan, but to me it wasnt really clear if Kuzan really gave everything he had, for example no awakening also we know that old age isnt that big of a factor in One Piece, because Rayleigh and Sengoku both also were old but still monsters, the reason Whitebeard was so weak was an illness, what Garp never had. So I personally would say that the current Garp isnt really that much weaker than Prime Garp, and therefore if Kuzan fought on equal terms with him not showing everything he has it means to me that Kuzan is pretty close to Prime Garp and Akainu only got stronger for example, we didnt know the Gap between Garp and Sengoku and the other former admirals, therefore it could be true what you're saying, but in my eyes it isnt and I think its definitely fair to have different opinions on that topic, because we know to little
Kazan doesn’t haven an awakening lol. At least not confirmed. Plus Garp has no df and is almost 80 and you think he isn’t on admiral level? Most of the Admirals Strong points are because of their devil fruits. Like Akainu vs. Aokiji. They turned Punk Harvard two different elements why? BECAUSE OF THEIR DEVIL FRUITS! But I will give it to Aokiji for being able to hold onto Garp for that long. But Garp in his Prime could literally vs Roger. I don’t think Aokiji or any of the current admirals are on that level.@@rasberrydefender1930
Ngl but if you realize shanks learned Diving Departure from Roger and he was his old captain so it would be 2 options for Shanks, give up since it was his old captain or Try and defeat his old captain that has everything he has just more advanced
People overrate old gen too much, there’s no reason why the current gen can’t be as strong as old gen. From a power balance point of view they should be roughly the same strength
No, they're definitely way stronger. Technically Kaido and Big Mom are from their generation anyways. Yonko level pirates split the skies while Pirate King level characters clear the skies entirely like when Primebeard and Roger fought. Though the fights here would definitely be more difficult than this guy portrays. Mid diffing Kaido is crazy
@@IchigoKurosaki911 What is pirate king level? Because prime whitebeard roger and garp/sengoku would have been very close in level. All I’m saying is top tiers of any era would be around the same strength for power balance.
noone from older generation could defeat roger thats why he became a pirate king, but now look at the new generation of pirates, especially those very young ones like straw hats, zoro have 20 years from what i remember which is very young, and he's already insane, obviously luffy will be stronger than roger in the end of the series but zoro might be too
Remember: WB during roger’s flashback was not in his prime. WB wouldve been at his prime around 2 years after roger died. However roger was also sick during that clash
Blackbeard wouldn't of won the fight even when roger is a full health, he definitely could've had the power to, but roger easily could block/avoid it. And even if he couldn't, blackbeard is smart and knows who he is going up against so as soon as blackbeard knows the capabilities of roger, he would instantly back down. In marineford, the only reason he actually fought whitebeard is because he was a warlord and had the defence of the navy, plus he knew whitebeard was NOT at his prime, and had previously fought akainu. Blackbeard has level 9000 battle iq and isnt smart with everything else. blackbeard also has not shown any haki (where i am up to, wholecake) and does not have much mastery with his devil fruits. Roger would definitely win that one. I have also noticed that the power scaling of blackbeard has just been from his abilities that have been described/seen in other one piece scenarios for example with his gura gura no mi, you based it off of whitebeard's abilities alot just because he was the original owner of that df.
I have him as the strongest man known in one piece(not including Joy boy since that guy is more than human) Ok maybe not rocks, idk man i m biased when it s about Roger 😅
@ArmyofDrag343 Whitebeard was used to stalemate Roger but he was the one with the title of World Strongest Man while Roger was in his prime. Then Roger later on had to beg Whitebeard on his knees for Oden, just to become PK. About Garp, it was stated by Roger to Garp in the prison scene, that they both nearly killed each other countless times, so they're clearly equal.
I feel like using the xebec statement is a little bit disingenuous cause 1 we don't know anything about the nature of god valley and 2 you could also say whitebeard is more of a friendly rival than an actual adversary to Roger like we have no evidence that WB and roger had serious beef there is more narrative portrayal that they are equals and tbh in terms of power overall leads to WB both of them have statements and are seen at equal for the most part but even while roger was alive WB had the title of strongest man and that's okay because being King of The Pirates isn't a title of strength. But that's just my opinion and also I feel like the OP community needs to look at power scaling differently. The notion of separating things into Yonko admiral and commander lvl
And what I meant by that last statement is that OP verse more so just has like a large group of top tiers that could all give eachother high ext diff fights and many outcomes could be reached based on matchup and circumstances all im saying is that I dont really think there is like a clear hierarchy among some characters for example prime WB and Roger at the time could both occupy that top one postion with garp and maybe sengoku as well
If Xebec is stated to be Rogers strongest adervesary that means he is the strongest and most powerful character we have kind of seen so far beside Imu.
Whitebeard wasnt at any time in Marineford able to really injure Akainu. Yes he hit him hard, but Akainu came out there with really no injuries, while he blew of the half of Whitebeards head
@@emmanuelowino9626 Is bleeding in OP really an injury, I didnt see it that way, yeah its true, but obviously it was no real injury like Kuzans leg, Kids arm, Whitebeards face or even Luffys X scar from Akainu
Honestly I agree. Whitebeard was going all out at marineford, but if the rest of the admirals decided to do the same, it wouldn've been game over. Marco and Jozu were getting manhandled by Aokiji and Kizaru. Kizaru took no damage the entire war and if it were not for the narrative, he could've shot Whitebeard in the head so many times using lasers. This is why Marineford isn't good for scaling, considering WB was not in his prime, and Admirals were barely trying.
Strangely enough, I don't see Whitebard going all villain. We know that the Rocks pirates were basically just an assembly of overly powerful characters but they never worked well togehter and at times even fought each other. Though I don't see Whitebard as someone who would go out of his way to start a fight with someone from his own crew, I also don't see him supporting Rocks against Roger and Garp.
@@jeremiahtannehill8870 lowkey. Shanks already had many years directly under shanks and Rayleigh. He could’ve took what they taught him and evolved it to a whole other level. Roger was only around for so long, it’s only right his protege would advance past him at some point
Fighting them one by one would be more of a handicap for THEM than for Roger Roger absolutely thrives in extended fights and because of his extremely powerful Haki, he would beat all of them no problem Also, it's funny you put Big mom's durability in front of Roger's haki considering Kaido is tougher than Big mom and Luffy's haki managed to get through his defenses. Ain't no way Linlin is even getting close to Roger if he actually wanted to kill the woman
You’re starting to glaze this man and it’s sad. They’re yonko, Roger would struggle with every last one of them regardless. “He would beat all of them no problem” no he wouldn’t especially Kaido, Wb and Shanks
@@cameronstevens2053what do you want? Old white beard is so slow roger wouldn’t have any difficulty, big mom is also a fatass slow bitch that relies on his devil fruit, it’s haki is good, but……try hitting roger, then Kaido, yeah I think roger loses here, but maybe not, since roger has speed, and it’s sword attacks are deadly, since kaidos fighting style revolves on tanking the damage, maybe he should try avoid getting hit by roger sword attack, sooo, the battle depends on who hits who first, since I don’t think rogers durability can handle thunder bagua…….sorry for underrating big mom, but I mean, she is not a big deal to high speed characters
Massive cap Roger would need to go all out to defeat any yonko Big mom could easily reach roger and fight him evenly Roger even dodged a fight with big mom That should tell you that roger knew a fight against her would be a massive war
@@SynopsisFPS that's the same bullsh*t as Akainu is the strongest marine in history which is not Old sick WB is the strongest pirate in the world(above Shanks and Mihawk💀) Shanks is strong enough to only give a fight to admiral though I can say that Shanks absolutely obliterates admirals like Kizaru and Fujitora(Red movie) and Aramaki(manga) I can continue Manga≠ journals and other trash The same goes to Bleach, Boruto, Naruto and any other shounen P. S. Well, I can say that Akainu is the level of Garp though
@@Ap7-b4k Which is all factually true these statements are released under Oda unless you disagree with Oda’s statement’s 😭, such as Mihawk being the world strongest swordsman or WB being the strongest man pre timeskip or Kaido being the strongest creature
Without watching the video ima say it's cap that four yonkos would struggle against Roger. He's definitely not the strongest, oda did a complete u turn on roger being the strongest. Not being able to beat rocks by himself, and also being a rival of prime whitebeard
That's just cap. Nowhere has it been stated that Roger has not been able to beat Xebec by himself. All we know is that When the God valley incident was over Xebec was 6 feet under and Roger went on to become pirate king. They're both rivals so they are equal, but like I said, only one of them walked out of God valley alive.
Roger was considered the strongest pirate surpassing and being above whitebeard prime, Roger versus prime white beard, he would win sick or not the other Yonko piece of cake rocks not so much
This is the biggest headcanon I've ever heard 🤣 this shit was never stated or even implied. Whitebeard was the world's strongest man and pirate, not Roger
Tbh roger is Kinda overrated. All of that you said with Whitebeard on marineford against akainu was his df(which is the thing that makes him the strongest bc his fruit is broken) but Roger vs wb was wb's haki(yes it is still super strong but would wb really almost be able to take down akainu with only his haki? The short answer is No and if you say yes then explain why he chose to use his df instead of his haki on akainu and he used his df and almost took him down and roger and wb have almost the same haki strenght which means roger vs akainu would probably be like wb with his df vs akainu bc whitebeard was older so he was weaker but his df was still super strong and roger who only got haki cant be stronger than a guy with almost as strong haki+one of the best df's in the anime) And when they clashed they made the ground come up a bit but when some others like luffy and Kaido did it they split the sky in half so Kaido and luffy May have stronger than them since toger and wb are dead we cant compare with them in the same way. Like maybe roger was the strongest then when only wb was the strong one, roger xant compare himself with the Admirals that are rn bc they wasnt Admirals yet so he dont know abt their fruits.
@@godofmisfortune992kaido is not him, he needed to team up with another yonko to try succeed on taking the one piece, Roger did it alone with his crew
i honestly dont think blackbeard will be a very strong character in the series, simply because he and his crew ENTIRELY rely on devil fruits to do dmg, i cant imagine them even HAVING haki at all... my guess for one piece is that after egghead the journey will go to elbaf, then against the world government, then blackbeard and then against shanks at laugh tale
Those fruits are extremely strong though. Also if the theory that he will get a third devil fruit is true that could make him even more overpowered. Yes haki trumps everything but remember that blackbeard is very smart and chose his fruits carefully. He didnt even consider pursuing his dreams until he found the only one he deemed perfect for whatever plan he has. I suspect that by the end his fruits will have crazy synergy and allow him to do some ridiculous stuff. Plus Blackbeard is literally built up to be the exact opposite to Luffy. He is narratively THE antagonist of the series. Second only to probably Imu. Would be weird if he turned out to be weak. If I had to put together a list of (known) characters that Luffy had to surpass in the story it would be smth like this: 5. Kaido 4. Akainu 3. Shanks 2. Blackbeard 1. Imu Imo this would make the most sense from a story progression standpoint.
Shanks being to much to handle doesn't scale him anywhere They could have just been referring to themselves Since it's been semi confirmed that the gorosei are fighters
this is cope. Whether it's themselves or not, it still implies Shanks has that kind of strength. That's what story constantly reminds us time and time again when it revolves around Shanks. Don't let your personal views get in the way of obvious story portrayal.
@@Bruh89847 He easily soloes kaido because he has no haki feets, plus roger when he died was still in his prime mentally at 53 which means his haki was on a whole other level! Kaido would get destroyed because he is at the end of his prime… So his haki would not be on the levels of Roger!
@@sslyy7876nope kaido is at his peak right now we can assume he got weaker because of his depressed attitude and pretty much being the least active younko, he barely goes out to sea or even fights.
@@IAMINSIDEYOURWALLS604 He isnt… If you do know haki is a mental thing, and since he is depressed and near his 60s his mental state is not good. His haki is not at his peak, but Rogers is.
@@SAM_2.o pirate king equal strongest pirate sengoku said to shiki roger is stronger than you because he is king of pirates the roger who fought whitebeard was sick and they maid an equal match so so they were equal even tho roger was sick roger is stronger than everyone buddy
"In One Piece, the more your acceleration is, the more your force"
I think that is just basic physics, my guy.
laws of physics are different in anime, most of the time
Physics are basically non-existent in anime
@@orli3432 not for kizaru. He bascally confirmed that law of momentum
@@venusrhodes7475 then he said love beats light lmfao so the physics are now love>speed
@@NerfKunai he later gets onenshot by this light.
Let's be honest, he stops at Buggy
True, a popular theory is that Buggy D. Goat is actually sogeking, this may be true because they both exist and have hands.
@@RangerLVJYbut is Buggy D. Clown from sniper island?
@@PandyEX.I believe so and in the manga it is said that Buggy D Clown was joyboy
@@RangerLVJYive seen other one piece theories that just seem too far-fetched but this is something that makes a lot of sense 🤔
This would make sense because the land of snipers could actually be God Valley, where Buggy was born and rescued by Roger. This would mean that Sogeking is an undercover revolutionary army tactician taking on the guise of an emperor and former apprentice of the pirate king to overthrow his parent, Imu. This would explain why he has not made an excessive move yet because he's currently waiting for Luffy aka Joyboy to finally fight against the "celestial dragon" Shanks who has long suppressed Buggy since childhood after finding out that Buggy aka Sogeking intentionally got sick to cleverly manipulate the rat Shanks to stay and care for him, so he wouldn't reach the answers of the void century and report to his master Imu aka Luffys mom! Buggy is cleverly guiding his brother to the truth and prevent their mother from finding out who the real father is or else shed sue for child support! It's all coming together now
Shanks: "devine departure"
Roger: "you dare use my own spell against me, potter?"
lol this is actually pretty funny
Roger was probably broken.
Reminder he used a technique as a greeting for a fight, which Shanks used to go for an instant win. Imagine what else he had.
Shanks was just trying to greet kid also 💀
Lol both used them for greetings and instant wins
@@bordan1311No Shanks did not use it as a greeting. He had to end the fight right there or his fleet would have been slaughtered
@@spicywater9301 Its also the only named attack that they both used. It's not an indication of how much stronger he is than Shanks. Roger was just less serious. Luffy's gum gum pistol would also be stronger if he was angry please use common sense.
@@IchigoKurosaki911 All I did was correct him, what do you mean common sense?
Heavily downplaying whitebeard considering Garp helped roger take down rocks. There’s no argument against whitebeard not being able to beat rocks if he had a monster like garp with him
There is also no evidence of Roger serving under someone stronger
@@jamesonedwardsii4943 there’s not evidence that he hasn’t not stop it that’s not a good argument. And I never said garp was stronger than roger idk where you got that from
@@TrafalgarD.Wat3rLaw are you okay? I didn’t even mention Garp 😭😭😭😭😭
You’re arguing with demons I’m your head or something
@@jamesonedwardsii4943 then what was the point of saying roger wasn’t working under anyone stronger? I’m assuming you meant garp as the someone weaker bc I can’t see who else you would be talking abt besides him and Rayleigh considering that’s all we know he’s fought with. So even I’m wrong I’m clearly not just making shit up don’t insult my intelligence and make your argument clearer.
@@TrafalgarD.Wat3rLaw again are you okay? I’m clearly talking about you trying to gas up Whitebeard and downplay Roger. It’s simple Roger was THEEEE GUY!!!! Can you show any evidence of Roger not being HIM?!?! He started the great pirate era, everyone is chasing after his treasure, whitebeard and Shanks were still waiting for someone based on his words. I get tired of you dudes trying to downplay Roger when he’s the GOAT in the One Piece verse 😭
Teach was extremely overplayed in this. Sure he could do damage with quake but rogers haki would be able to cut through and cancel out darkness fruit and stop him from being pulled in. Without advanced conquerors I couldn’t see teach being able to get past rogers advanced armament in the first place.
first teach was not over played roger already wasn’t that strong in he’s own era prime white,big mom,and kaido all could have easily put a stop to him but all either didn’t care enough,we’re friends with roger,simply had no desire to become the king of the pirates.sure roger could clash with someone like white beard but he would not be able to beat a fruit with the destructive capability to destroy the world and because black has the fruit with such capabilities and more at his disposal i’d be able to see him beating roger alone low-mid diff even someone like shanks i feel has enough just dp to take down roger from what we have seen.
legit every single person you spoke of regarded roger with either respect, or roger being superior to them. @@Kahhme
@@Kahhme Kaido had difficulties beating Oden. Meanwhile Roger sent Oden flying away in one swing and that sealed the deal. How can you even watch/read one piece and come up to the conclusion that Roger, the guy that conquered Grand line and became Pirate king, wasn’t that strong in he’s own era.
@@Kahhmebro watched Teach Piece
@@Nathan-gm9nl because he simply wasn’t oden only gave kaido a scar then after he got 2 shot but let’s move away from kaido white-beard was definitely stronger then roger as white was stated to have the destructive capability to destroy the world yet wrong can’t barely be scaled to multi-continental so even if u don’t think kaido is stronger white beard definitely is
When you realise Cancer was able to take down both Roger and Whitebeard 💀
Spears took Roger down
@@gamatototheoldcat4576 even if that didnt happen he wouldve still died
@@randompoorlydrawndragon3076 Yeah but the Spears still killed him before the disease did
Cancer its so powerful It kills even irl
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He beats any 1v1 at full health, but yeah he’s not beating them in a gauntlet
He is beating almost everyone in a gauntlet other than one or two but he is beating everyone in a 1v1
Prime Whitebeard would extreme diff or maybe high diff him.
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Prime roger mid diffs prime wb lmfao
@@smal750 dawg at the very least they are equal, this has been shown as well. they have somewhat comparable haki and Whitebeard has an extremely powerful devil fruit.
We don't know if rocks was stronger than prime whitebeard because garp and roger fight him before whitebeard got the title of the strongest man. Whitebeard,roger and garp could of got stronger than him or strong as him.
It was stated Rocks was Roger’s strongest enemy therefore he’s stronger than prime WB and even before he obtained the title of strongest man it was said he was still a powerful pirate.
@@rgat1756 well that doesn't mean he was stronger than prime whitebeard. Roger didn't really considered whitebeard and garp was his enemy. Whitebeard never try stop roger from going after his dream or did he go around hurting people. Plus they said whitebeard was roger equal. So that mean they are the same strength. Roger respect whitebeard,garp and sengoku the most even though they fight him. He never real considered them to be enemy. But rocks on the hand he had to bed stop because of what he was doing that why he and garp team up. So years did pass after thah fight. which mean the characters could of got stronger than him. Roger,garp and whitebeard was young at that time.
@@rgat1756It’s stated that Rocks was probably the most formidable enemy who Roger ever fought which makes sense because of the crew and ambitions he had which went against Rogers
WB would not be considered an enemy to Roger so that statement doesn’t hold up
Roger and WB reached their primes a decade after the god valley incident! Not to mention WB was the only man to be able and go up against Roger equally
Rocks has one statement which doesn’t really hold up while people like Roger and WB have multiple statements on being the strongest
@@jack.b1747Dude it was already confirmed that Xebec is the strongest opponent Roger had ever faced ( in chapter 957 ) that includes Prime Whitebeard and Prime Garp !!! And Whitebeard was 35 years in god alley so he was already in his Prime !!
Xebec > Prime Whitebeard
Xebec > Prime Garp
Whitebeard at the time was IN Rocks crew alongside Kaido and Big mom which is crazy
I think Oda really confused people with what they said about Kaido. And it's fine to think Kaido is the strongest known character ever. But his reputation does not match the Pirate King. He said it himself, which he was clearly referring to his strength. Kaido might be the most durable character in the story we'll see though.
What did oda say about kaido
@@jaahman0098 From what the narrator said in the introduction of Kaido was. "Kaido is the world's strongest creature, land, sea, and sky. One on one, bet on Kaido."
@@Multi1 you missed the part where it states before that “people say”. As in the general public not yonkos or admirals. A rumor not a fact
@@jaahman0098 I know, many OP fans think Oda said it indefinitely.
kaidou has trauma from 6 different characters he's not at all the strongest character
I kinda believe my own theory that roger discovering laughtale was never supposed to happen but because of his overwhelming Haki, in this case his Will or Ambition, he managed to overwrite the prediction of the Void century peoples about the future (in my own theory, i think D clan only predicted Joyboys return, not Roger discovering laughtale). Which is also the reason why Roger 1v1 Yonko is a win for the Pirate King
“He was able to go inside and outside of Kaido”
PAUUUUSE I DONT REMEMBER THAT EPISODE
lolll
When you realized prime white beard didnt use tremor with Rodger. Edit: apparently he did use haki, sorry for being incorrect.
But Roger was sick tbh I think they are equal
@@Whatifwekissedyou think to much bullshit. 1 illness affects Haki as it was seen with whitebeard never with Roger tho.
2 the doctor of the Roger pirates literally said his illness never affected his abbility to fight.
Using rogers illness is a weak ass facking excuse that isn't even valid.
But oda said rogers sickness did not affect his strength it just makes his life shorter
Yo are u watching one piece WB fruit won't work against rogers haki and WB know if he used DF power he gets blitzed by roger 😅
where is it stated that WB never used his devil fruit?
13:10
Roger fought a way more powerful Gura user for 3 days and with Prime Beard's speed he would likely land way more attacks than BB did
Bb jumped law with devil fruit users and was still bloody and tired bb get blits
I would like to add that Law and Kid took similar attacks from BM and have similar portrayal so unless BB did a Shanks if it was Roger Law would have gotten Kid'ed @@TraeshawnMitchell
This is quarter of a Roger who had just been beaten by WB, BM, Luffy and Kaido. Dawg may as well be crippled, he ain't ever dodging like he used to before after all that
@@ThePaeppa bb jumped law and still either mid diff or high diff (laws crew sucks) bb is getting blitz by roger who is weaker than shanks same shanks who one shotted kid
@@TraeshawnMitchell Roger legs broken by Kaido bro. That's the whole point of this vid
Primebeard Kinda Underrated ngl
You forgot Buggy D. Clown
Another Casual Banger !!!🔥😮💨
Whitebeard had the title of worlds strongest man before Roger got pirate king status. Let that sink in buddy.
One on One Roger can beat any Yonko his haki is the best also prime Whitebeard would be the strongest yonko.
laughts in shanks haki
@@jubii4516 what are you yapping about roger's haki is def way better than shanks
@@PandyEX.Not way better
@@PandyEX. how, we have more feats on shanks, he could clas with easy vs whitebeard who was rogers rival. Shanks has all adcancef haki types and is called the observation haki killer. His fs is so strong he literally saw a lot of the future what kid would do to his crew.
New gen > old gen, new gen will always be better than the previous
prime roger haki CLEARS shanks @@jubii4516
Also IMO if you do make, what if ace reached his full potential maybe also make what if Roger never died, and was there for Ace, rouge his lover, it may be, he may have an impact on Luffy and many more videos
i dont think velocity and force being related is just a one piece thing
You know what would be an amazing second series when One Piece ends? A prequel about Gol D Roger becoming pirate king
Given that Law could not move people with his fruit due to their Haki, its very likely blackhole would not work on someone of Rogers caliber. Also Whitebeard got bullshitted by taking his Marineford version, WB was near equal to Roger in his prime. Prime WB also solos everyone on the list barring maybe Shanks.
your videos are so entertaining W IMO
Thanks man 😭
U heavily downplayed prime beard. You didn’t even mention that roger had Garp’s help. They also had the crews. Honestly remake the video@@IMO3530
This video is so dumb, ur such a bad powerscaler 😭@@IMO3530
Where the fuck is Baggy ????
Let's be real. Roger can't get past buggy
bro ain't no way this dude is losing only like 15 hp going through big mom. yeah fucking right. zeus, hera, prometheus all make it an extremely difficult fight, not to mention her ridiculous natural durability she had since being a child. mid-high diff fight for Roger
Right... Big Mom was NERFED during her fight with Law and Kid. I don't think people realize that. She ONLY relied on her fruit power. If she had used Color of Conquerors Haki AND her devil fruit, they would be dead. She looked at them as kids, who she shouldn't waste her time using Conquerors Haki on and underestimated them.
No way you think roger doesn’t blitz big mom, shanks and roger are similar except roger was stronger. And we know how big mom didn’t want to fight shanks unless she was with kaido
@@Rude_Boi blud is spitting
@@Rude_Boi nigga cope more no matter what happened bm would have lost
@@primisoda1400oda made the mistake of making her too powerful so he needed to nerf her, thats it they didn't even really beat her, just on a technicality cause she got in the hole and died, she didn't wven take that much damage and she was putting in serious work
Got to keep out buggy or he'd low def by accident
Garp being a hero for defeating rocks is like smoker being a hero for defeating croco, change my mind.
Scarring green bull isn't a feat lol
And greenbull only fled the battle because he didn't want to fight two yonko crews
And film red portrays the powers of the characters
Not their strength
That means characters who have never shown their powers like roux yasopp and beckman actually get some that are canon
And blocking akainu when he's fatigued and trying to kill koby isn't a feat
And shanks didn't one shot kid
It was kids own explosion that knocked him out
@@dsw-2898jus shut up bro Ig I can get past everything else besides the kid statement like it jus you being ultra hater shanks speed blitzed and one shot kid cope about it
@@dsw-2898 Blud talking to himself🥶
Jerry from tom and jerry soloes the entire one piece verse
Roger was clapping mom in other ways
I saw that diss towards Mihawk 😒
We don’t even know what Roger is capable of. Obviously he is stronger than all of the Yonko, but we don’t know his powers.
Dont forget, black beard takes 3x the pain in exchange for the dark fruit, so 1-2 VERY VERY strong attack from roger like the one portrayed in roger vs prime white beard would undoubtedly beat black beard
I believe that Roger is a bit Stronger than Shanks but not like the god everyone says he is.
Do you have read whole one piece
fax. Roger was goated, but he wasn't THAT goated. Rocks D. Xebec the strongest.
@@Personati0n but roger was also young when he fought rock
He most probably have become stronger
He was tooo young . You can see if you eead latest chapters
So its still a mystery who is stronger
@@anshmittal3098 you are right, though my agenda says Rocks D. Goat.
100% he us just a bit above shanks and would beat him extreme diff realistically
Roger used Garps help to beat Xebec, But it could also be that Roger 1v1 Xebec and Garp Solo'd Xebec's Crew.
but big momsdevil fruit only works when some one fears you and i dont think roger would be scared
She can make homies that fight him for her. Not to mention the powerful 3 types of haki and she is extremely strong, durable, and fast.
Rogers raw strength and haki mastery negates every ability Black Beard can think of.
The whitebeard disrespect is crazy whitebeard is arguably stronger than roger he has feats and statements to back him up and we know that he wasn’t in his prime during god valley roger just had a way stronger crew.
Even if they were equal at the time, whitebeard still has the gura gura no mi, which is just extra abilities
Roger had the holy knights garp sengoku + possibly one of the gorosei vs only roger and his fleet
WhiteBeard was so strong that he fight x 3 days a sick Roger 😂
Yes whitebeard didn't use his fruit but Roger was sick so id say they would be equal in my opinion
@@Somebeedude clown white beard has to train twice as hard cause he got a devil + haki to train all Roger gotta do is train his haki and haki more stronger than devil fruit stop talking shit
Top 10 most heated comment sections being One piece power scaling
I mean we dont really know how strong admirals were back in Rogers days, I mean its not unlikely, that the Marine currently has the strongest generation with Akainu on top who will certainly become the strongest Marine ever and with that surpassing Garp and then there is only the question how close the current admirals are to Akainu
I take it you haven't read manga?
@@whynot9962 Wdym?
*Spoilers* Well there's a few chapters where old Garp fights with Aokiji and a few members of Blackbeards crew, where he does quite well against all of them. He looses of course but his main objective was to save koby and even got stabbed to protect him. Anyway, Old Garp gives Aokiji a run for his money, and Aokiji was someone who fought with Akainu for 10 days straight showing them to be of almost equal strength. Point is old garp is still a contender for admirals so it's hard to call them stronger than previous marine admirals.
@@whynot9962 So yeah I know these chapters, and yeah Garp does well, very well and yeah he fought on equal terms with Kuzan, but to me it wasnt really clear if Kuzan really gave everything he had, for example no awakening
also we know that old age isnt that big of a factor in One Piece, because Rayleigh and Sengoku both also were old but still monsters, the reason Whitebeard was so weak was an illness, what Garp never had. So I personally would say that the current Garp isnt really that much weaker than Prime Garp, and therefore if Kuzan fought on equal terms with him not showing everything he has it means to me that Kuzan is pretty close to Prime Garp
and Akainu only got stronger for example, we didnt know the Gap between Garp and Sengoku and the other former admirals, therefore it could be true what you're saying, but in my eyes it isnt and I think its definitely fair to have different opinions on that topic, because we know to little
Kazan doesn’t haven an awakening lol. At least not confirmed. Plus Garp has no df and is almost 80 and you think he isn’t on admiral level? Most of the Admirals Strong points are because of their devil fruits. Like Akainu vs. Aokiji. They turned Punk Harvard two different elements why? BECAUSE OF THEIR DEVIL FRUITS! But I will give it to Aokiji for being able to hold onto Garp for that long. But Garp in his Prime could literally vs Roger. I don’t think Aokiji or any of the current admirals are on that level.@@rasberrydefender1930
All I know is that rogwr went toe to toe with prime beard. We saw what old whitebeard can do!
If Kaido is down to 47HP then it is 47% of Rogers Power vs a 100% Luffy, youre saying a hal-strengthed Roger would beat Wano Arc- Luffy
Sengoku wasn’t fleet admiral back when he was fighting Roger lol, he was admiral sengoku.
w vid and w human
Ngl but if you realize shanks learned Diving Departure from Roger and he was his old captain so it would be 2 options for Shanks, give up since it was his old captain or Try and defeat his old captain that has everything he has just more advanced
People overrate old gen too much, there’s no reason why the current gen can’t be as strong as old gen. From a power balance point of view they should be roughly the same strength
No, they're definitely way stronger. Technically Kaido and Big Mom are from their generation anyways. Yonko level pirates split the skies while Pirate King level characters clear the skies entirely like when Primebeard and Roger fought. Though the fights here would definitely be more difficult than this guy portrays. Mid diffing Kaido is crazy
@@IchigoKurosaki911
What is pirate king level? Because prime whitebeard roger and garp/sengoku would have been very close in level. All I’m saying is top tiers of any era would be around the same strength for power balance.
Why would you put Whiteboard at old age but not put Gol Roger at old age too? That doesn't make sense to compare them at different ages
The Roger wank is insane. There's no way Kaido in his strongest form would only reduce bros health bar by 31 points.
yes, rogeer wins but it''s exxtreme, roger will be very exxhuasted
100% kaido vs roger will be an extreme diff fight, but this dude wanking roger like no other
Nice vid bro, keep it up!!
Cool
My man’s forgets that whitebeard wanted to die
Dude you’re the most underrated one piece TH-camr, keep going and you’ll make it to the top, good job
Respectfully roger vs any yonko is a high/extreme diff fight
This HP bar thing is stupid ngl
You are tripping. Any Roger vs Yonko is a high diff or extreme high diff. And if that Yonko is called Whitebeard, then the result is even a draw.
noone from older generation could defeat roger thats why he became a pirate king, but now look at the new generation of pirates, especially those very young ones like straw hats, zoro have 20 years from what i remember which is very young, and he's already insane, obviously luffy will be stronger than roger in the end of the series but zoro might be too
Remember: WB during roger’s flashback was not in his prime. WB wouldve been at his prime around 2 years after roger died. However roger was also sick during that clash
How was that not his prime?
Blackbeard wouldn't of won the fight even when roger is a full health, he definitely could've had the power to, but roger easily could block/avoid it. And even if he couldn't, blackbeard is smart and knows who he is going up against so as soon as blackbeard knows the capabilities of roger, he would instantly back down. In marineford, the only reason he actually fought whitebeard is because he was a warlord and had the defence of the navy, plus he knew whitebeard was NOT at his prime, and had previously fought akainu. Blackbeard has level 9000 battle iq and isnt smart with everything else. blackbeard also has not shown any haki (where i am up to, wholecake) and does not have much mastery with his devil fruits. Roger would definitely win that one. I have also noticed that the power scaling of blackbeard has just been from his abilities that have been described/seen in other one piece scenarios for example with his gura gura no mi, you based it off of whitebeard's abilities alot just because he was the original owner of that df.
1 v 1, Roger's coming out on top. 1 v all (except Buggy 💀), he's dead. But all his fights are extremely close, maybe except BM and BB for now.
Buggy one shots
Hey man wondering if you could do straw hats vs akatsuki I’ve asked many channels for this hope you see
I have him as the strongest man known in one piece(not including Joy boy since that guy is more than human)
Ok maybe not rocks, idk man i m biased when it s about Roger 😅
Prime Whitebeard >= Roger = Prime Garp
We known seeing g as objectively everyone knows WB was stronger, literally and overall.
@@ArabDweller based on what?
@ArmyofDrag343 Whitebeard was used to stalemate Roger but he was the one with the title of World Strongest Man while Roger was in his prime. Then Roger later on had to beg Whitebeard on his knees for Oden, just to become PK.
About Garp, it was stated by Roger to Garp in the prison scene, that they both nearly killed each other countless times, so they're clearly equal.
@@ArabDwellerbased off what Roger had better speed haki and iq whitebeard has barely better strength ap and MAYBE durability
"Hi, I'm IMO. And my life, is kinda crazy"
I feel like using the xebec statement is a little bit disingenuous cause 1 we don't know anything about the nature of god valley and 2 you could also say whitebeard is more of a friendly rival than an actual adversary to Roger like we have no evidence that WB and roger had serious beef there is more narrative portrayal that they are equals and tbh in terms of power overall leads to WB both of them have statements and are seen at equal for the most part but even while roger was alive WB had the title of strongest man and that's okay because being King of The Pirates isn't a title of strength. But that's just my opinion and also I feel like the OP community needs to look at power scaling differently. The notion of separating things into Yonko admiral and commander lvl
And what I meant by that last statement is that OP verse more so just has like a large group of top tiers that could all give eachother high ext diff fights and many outcomes could be reached based on matchup and circumstances all im saying is that I dont really think there is like a clear hierarchy among some characters for example prime WB and Roger at the time could both occupy that top one postion with garp and maybe sengoku as well
@@trop1killthis is the take I agree with most
If Xebec is stated to be Rogers strongest adervesary that means he is the strongest and most powerful character we have kind of seen so far beside Imu.
Imu jsnt very powerful himself
@@jdcthebeast6464 if imu isn't stronger than everyone until now then the climax of one piece will be underwhelming
Whitebeard wasnt at any time in Marineford able to really injure Akainu. Yes he hit him hard, but Akainu came out there with really no injuries, while he blew of the half of Whitebeards head
No injuries yet he was bleeding out of his mouth, mind you he didnt get hit in the face once so where do you think the blood came from?
@@emmanuelowino9626 Is bleeding in OP really an injury, I didnt see it that way, yeah its true, but obviously it was no real injury like Kuzans leg, Kids arm, Whitebeards face or even Luffys X scar from Akainu
Honestly I agree. Whitebeard was going all out at marineford, but if the rest of the admirals decided to do the same, it wouldn've been game over. Marco and Jozu were getting manhandled by Aokiji and Kizaru. Kizaru took no damage the entire war and if it were not for the narrative, he could've shot Whitebeard in the head so many times using lasers.
This is why Marineford isn't good for scaling, considering WB was not in his prime, and Admirals were barely trying.
@@yes9571 thanks
@@emmanuelowino9626 actually he got a quake fist directly to the face and ate dirt right after marco blocked his attack aimed at luffy.
I just got into OP 2 years ago so I had no idea that Blackbeard kills Shanks. Great video, but man you spoiled tf out of that for me
He didn’t everybody knows it’s prob gonna happen in the future tho
Based on what we know of Whitebeard's personality, I don't think Whitebeard helped Xebec at God Valley.
Strangely enough, I don't see Whitebard going all villain. We know that the Rocks pirates were basically just an assembly of overly powerful characters but they never worked well togehter and at times even fought each other. Though I don't see Whitebard as someone who would go out of his way to start a fight with someone from his own crew, I also don't see him supporting Rocks against Roger and Garp.
Which means he got jumped by roger,garp AND whitebeard and still got extreme diffed
Videos like these hurt my brain.
I got Shanks taking Roger very high difficulty tbh. He MIGHT even be just as strong as Roger imo
Shanks has way better haki feats than roger and anyone in the verse
@@jeremiahtannehill8870 lowkey. Shanks already had many years directly under shanks and Rayleigh. He could’ve took what they taught him and evolved it to a whole other level. Roger was only around for so long, it’s only right his protege would advance past him at some point
@@jeremiahtannehill8870Lowkey facts
@@Keyeze660 roger > shanks mid diff
his feats are better, statements too
Buggy negs
Fighting them one by one would be more of a handicap for THEM than for Roger
Roger absolutely thrives in extended fights and because of his extremely powerful Haki, he would beat all of them no problem
Also, it's funny you put Big mom's durability in front of Roger's haki considering Kaido is tougher than Big mom and Luffy's haki managed to get through his defenses. Ain't no way Linlin is even getting close to Roger if he actually wanted to kill the woman
You’re starting to glaze this man and it’s sad. They’re yonko, Roger would struggle with every last one of them regardless. “He would beat all of them no problem” no he wouldn’t especially Kaido, Wb and Shanks
@@cameronstevens2053what do you want? Old white beard is so slow roger wouldn’t have any difficulty, big mom is also a fatass slow bitch that relies on his devil fruit, it’s haki is good, but……try hitting roger, then Kaido, yeah I think roger loses here, but maybe not, since roger has speed, and it’s sword attacks are deadly, since kaidos fighting style revolves on tanking the damage, maybe he should try avoid getting hit by roger sword attack, sooo, the battle depends on who hits who first, since I don’t think rogers durability can handle thunder bagua…….sorry for underrating big mom, but I mean, she is not a big deal to high speed characters
Massive cap
Roger would need to go all out to defeat any yonko
Big mom could easily reach roger and fight him evenly
Roger even dodged a fight with big mom
That should tell you that roger knew a fight against her would be a massive war
He would beat one of them and the next one would destroy him
It’s pretty much stated in the databooks Shanks>Roger 😭
No, it's not
But it's easy to say that Shanks above him
@@Ap7-b4k Yes it is, Mihawk and Shanks have the greatest rivalry in history which implies > WB and Roger
@@SynopsisFPS that's the same bullsh*t as Akainu is the strongest marine in history which is not
Old sick WB is the strongest pirate in the world(above Shanks and Mihawk💀)
Shanks is strong enough to only give a fight to admiral though I can say that Shanks absolutely obliterates admirals like Kizaru and Fujitora(Red movie) and Aramaki(manga)
I can continue
Manga≠ journals and other trash
The same goes to Bleach, Boruto, Naruto and any other shounen
P. S. Well, I can say that Akainu is the level of Garp though
@@Ap7-b4k Which is all factually true these statements are released under Oda unless you disagree with Oda’s statement’s 😭, such as Mihawk being the world strongest swordsman or WB being the strongest man pre timeskip or Kaido being the strongest creature
@@SynopsisFPS bro has old WB above Shanks and Mihawk and at the same time Shanks and Mihawk>prime WB
Average one piece fan🤡
Kinda surprising that Roger gotten nerfed by IMO but still made it that far.
Roger really protecting native genocider 🤮. Of course usa and israel like Roger
Without watching the video ima say it's cap that four yonkos would struggle against Roger. He's definitely not the strongest, oda did a complete u turn on roger being the strongest. Not being able to beat rocks by himself, and also being a rival of prime whitebeard
That's just cap. Nowhere has it been stated that Roger has not been able to beat Xebec by himself. All we know is that When the God valley incident was over Xebec was 6 feet under and Roger went on to become pirate king. They're both rivals so they are equal, but like I said, only one of them walked out of God valley alive.
Roger was considered the strongest pirate surpassing and being above whitebeard prime, Roger versus prime white beard, he would win sick or not the other Yonko piece of cake rocks not so much
This is the biggest headcanon I've ever heard 🤣 this shit was never stated or even implied. Whitebeard was the world's strongest man and pirate, not Roger
@@mightguy3118 and yet Roger won a stalemate or not he didn’t beat Roger
@@YayoHernandez-b1j Roger didn't beat him, neither did Whitebeard, they were equal. But Whitebeard was stated the World Strongest Man unlike Roger.
@@ArabDweller yeah, come on Roger stood up against rocks. Whitebeard did not and also Roger was pirate King, not Newgate.
@@YayoHernandez-b1j
WB > Roger
Pirate king is never meant to be the strongest man but the freest man in sea
Tbh roger is Kinda overrated. All of that you said with Whitebeard on marineford against akainu was his df(which is the thing that makes him the strongest bc his fruit is broken) but Roger vs wb was wb's haki(yes it is still super strong but would wb really almost be able to take down akainu with only his haki? The short answer is No and if you say yes then explain why he chose to use his df instead of his haki on akainu and he used his df and almost took him down and roger and wb have almost the same haki strenght which means roger vs akainu would probably be like wb with his df vs akainu bc whitebeard was older so he was weaker but his df was still super strong and roger who only got haki cant be stronger than a guy with almost as strong haki+one of the best df's in the anime) And when they clashed they made the ground come up a bit but when some others like luffy and Kaido did it they split the sky in half so Kaido and luffy May have stronger than them since toger and wb are dead we cant compare with them in the same way. Like maybe roger was the strongest then when only wb was the strong one, roger xant compare himself with the Admirals that are rn bc they wasnt Admirals yet so he dont know abt their fruits.
Whitebeard vs Roger is a lot closer, Roger just had a stronger crew.
I think he is comparing Roger with old Whitebeard, not prime Whitebeard in this video.
bro didn’t want to include buggy because he knew frau D. fraud-ger would lose all 100 health in the first round
Roger achieved it all wealth fame power he solos one piece is what I'm tryna say
Can t disagree with a fellow Roger enjoyer 🫱
straight up its in the pirate king definition. he is him
Shanks probably equal to roger/pirate king level
Realistically he stops at kaido
I think that too
Bro what
LMAO nah kaido beats kaido. So does shanks.
People think kaido is way stronger than he is
@@godofmisfortune992kaido is not him, he needed to team up with another yonko to try succeed on taking the one piece, Roger did it alone with his crew
"as in one piece, the large the acceleration you have, the larger the force" so like... newton's first law?
The old gen meatriding stays crazy in this community, if we look at the actual feats Roger has rn he’s weaker than hybrid Kaido
Kaidos current feats mean nothing when rogers the king of pirates 💀
Roger obliterates Kaido
@@sneakyonthebeat in terms of narrative? Yes in terms of feats? No
@@Jvuiya king of the pirates isn’t a strength based title
I always wondered about that "bring garp or sengoku with you" Roger is scowling at him like he's mad how weak the rest are lol
i honestly dont think blackbeard will be a very strong character in the series, simply because he and his crew ENTIRELY rely on devil fruits to do dmg, i cant imagine them even HAVING haki at all...
my guess for one piece is that after egghead the journey will go to elbaf, then against the world government, then blackbeard and then against shanks at laugh tale
Those fruits are extremely strong though. Also if the theory that he will get a third devil fruit is true that could make him even more overpowered.
Yes haki trumps everything but remember that blackbeard is very smart and chose his fruits carefully. He didnt even consider pursuing his dreams until he found the only one he deemed perfect for whatever plan he has. I suspect that by the end his fruits will have crazy synergy and allow him to do some ridiculous stuff.
Plus Blackbeard is literally built up to be the exact opposite to Luffy. He is narratively THE antagonist of the series. Second only to probably Imu. Would be weird if he turned out to be weak. If I had to put together a list of (known) characters that Luffy had to surpass in the story it would be smth like this:
5. Kaido
4. Akainu
3. Shanks
2. Blackbeard
1. Imu
Imo this would make the most sense from a story progression standpoint.
Actually after the fight with Kiado luffy endurance is higher then his he has the ability to make his heart beat and keep the fight going
Shanks being to much to handle doesn't scale him anywhere
They could have just been referring to themselves
Since it's been semi confirmed that the gorosei are fighters
They're politicians. They can ONLY fight by using the df powers. Besides the guy with the sword, there is no proof that they can fight in close combat
this is cope. Whether it's themselves or not, it still implies Shanks has that kind of strength. That's what story constantly reminds us time and time again when it revolves around Shanks. Don't let your personal views get in the way of obvious story portrayal.
@@The_Andromeda_Galaxy Fam what?
The gorosei are featless as of rn
So Shanks being stronger then them doesn't scale him anywhere
Sho let this man cook💀
He is stopping at big mom. Even if you overrate Roger he isnt getting past Kaido after fighting old whitebeard and big mom.
Bro, he steam rolls old whitebeard. And big mom was getting worked by sorry nigaas in wano.
@@sslyy7876 He mid diffs both , he dont win tho
@@Bruh89847 He easily soloes kaido because he has no haki feets, plus roger when he died was still in his prime mentally at 53 which means his haki was on a whole other level! Kaido would get destroyed because he is at the end of his prime… So his haki would not be on the levels of Roger!
@@sslyy7876nope kaido is at his peak right now we can assume he got weaker because of his depressed attitude and pretty much being the least active younko, he barely goes out to sea or even fights.
@@IAMINSIDEYOURWALLS604 He isnt… If you do know haki is a mental thing, and since he is depressed and near his 60s his mental state is not good. His haki is not at his peak, but Rogers is.
Yeah I don’t necessarily agree with everything you said but this was cool
he doesn't make it past big mum
whitebeard brings him to like 40-45
then big mum absolutely destroys a 40% roger
One divine departure for old whitebeard, and three divine departure for big mom
@@gggg-lg9qb you can believe that if you want but big mum is the second most durable character in the series
LUL She got her bones broke down by rookies pirates like Kidd @@lesshome5856
1v1 yes
If they jump him then no
He gets destroyed if they jumped him
Not really
Roger >>>>>>> all Lonkos
No
@@SAM_2.o pirate king equal strongest pirate sengoku said to shiki roger is stronger than you because he is king of pirates the roger who fought whitebeard was sick and they maid an equal match so so they were equal even tho roger was sick roger is stronger than everyone buddy
zoro >>>>> Loger
@@cheddarbob6062 Zoro meat rider lol
@@EctoooooJust not true. Pk means the most free pirate. There is literally a seperate title called strongest pirate.
L take
You glazing shanks is new age roger shanks>roger
i just realised zoro is gonna split the skies against mihawk. bro i cant wait
Shanks>>>>>ROGER HIGH DIFF TOPS
Btw Buggy is god of pirates if you remember so he beats king of pirates easly
At this point, it seems that people have accepted that Shanks is going to die at the hands of Blackbeard.😅
bro was too scared to put buggy in the video