Thanks Derek. It's ok about the criticism. The internet world is loaded with trolls. I'm so glad so many people are being helped by the information I am providing. Thanks for commenting! :-)
Great video man. I am a network engineer and what you are doing now is how I began in IT. Your work is where it all begins and essential to the whole setup. Brought back memories of having to use the "fish sticks" and going through some weird places in some old buildings in SF just to reach the MPOE Keep it up brother.
Hi, i work as a network engineer in one service provider company, we use field technicians to support our L1 installations, i never have a chance to experience onsite installations from behind the computer display (supporting only L2 and L3), so i would like to say thank you for this experience and other ones provided in your videos. :)
it's pretty awesome stuff to see a data centre or telco rack being installed. From a bare hunk of metal to cable runs, dressing the rack with various hardware and powering up the equipment. When you go online and hit "Google" I still get that warm fuzzy feeling :-)
This is a great video. I do tech support over the phone and so it's great to see the physical networking side of things for once. Extremely helpful. Thank you!
The cover caps are needed no matter if you do the wiring right or not. They are made to keep the dust out of the connections. If you do not it will cause static in your lines then it will cause data loss as to slower speeds. Just like in an old turn dial radio that has not been used for a while. When you turn the volume up and down you get SNAP CRACKLE POP. That is caused by dust between the plates of the volume control. Great video, keep up the great work.
I recently started wiring my house house up with cat6. It was made in the 50s and when pulling cables through the attic I noticed it was littered with ancient bits of telephone cables and old mating blocks. And I wasn't upset, it was more interesting than anything. I guess what I'm trying to say is that in the year 2040 when someone finds some old cat5 twisted pairs in the wall there's a pretty good chance they'll just smile and remember how things used to be while they're putting in fancy new optical-to-the-desk wall plates (that still terminate differently from vendor to vendor because some things never change).
Lol most of those comments are about dumping useless stuff into that hole while probably no one will never ever care about. So im gonna comment about the knowledge he shared for free - thank you sir! Thats a nice piece of advice for people with releated questions. Again, thank you!
😅I enjoyed watching this video from start to end. Very informative . Especially the part where I learnt to throw the little pieces of wire inside the dry wall instead of the trash can 😅
OMG...I cannot BELIEVE some of these comments! Ranging from where he throws the cable shavings (which is more common than people think) to where he installs the cabinet...HE DID AN ABSOLUTELY PROFESSIONAL JOB!!!
I understand 100% why you toss the rubbish in the wall, but it hurts my OCD ;) thankyou for the video, that service loop is a very good idea that I will use :)
Very useful. Many thanks. Do a lot of configuration but never actually made the cable runs. Now I want to expand the network in my home and plan to do it myself this time.
Good deal Dominic. I don't think I mentioned it, but a good place to buy reliable materials (jacks, cable, patch panel) is monoprice dot com. I don't have any incentive to recommend them. Just saying. Good luck! :-D
I rarely leave comments unless I'm trolling, but thank you for making this video and this entire channel. I am a very new IT field technician and your content helps me to grow and understand. Subscribed because you rock!
Great, glad I could help. If you're an up and coming IT pro, you might like my other channel too - DIY Telecom th-cam.com/users/DIYTelecom Good luck! :-D
Robo, this simplest way to get into this business is call a small, local Telecom or Network installation business and as them if they need help pulling cable. Once you start there, if you show some initiative, you can go pretty far without ever setting foot in a classroom. Most of what we learn is "on the job training". Good luck. :)
+Tom V. Thanks. You know what is so funny Tom, is that one little event is responsible for about half the comments left on this video. I don't think I could have planned something more effective for boosting the popularity. :-)
You are tops! I am teaching myself to punch down a patch panel I purchased along with a roll of cable and cable making kit. I'm sure I will get there with your help. Rock on NA!!!
Nice video. altough i already know most of the information, staying a bit up to date with what other people do is always nice. Youre one of the few videos i actuallywatch from start to end
Nice video, was relaxing to watch. Those keystone jacks seem very well made. I was like everyone and spotted you dumping the cut offs inside the wall. End of the day no one is going to see it, and it's expected of all workmen ha. Personally I'd just carry a small bag with me and dump them in there. You never know when someone seeing you be that little bit more professional could help, but end of the day it's not a game changing issue, it's more of a personal thing.
I love the keystone jacks and if you have the money to do Belden installations you'll love them even more, about 1/2 the time to install and punch down, and they have a handy dandy automatic crimping tool for the pros.
Very informative video, but i must comment on the trash in the wall. As a Commercial General Contractor, that has always been a pet peeve with me, especially when i have opened up walls and found pee bottles among many other things. But that is just my rant..carry on, really appreciate the knowledge you share.
@NetworkAdvisor , Awesome video!!! Thank you. Question... do you know why the T568B wiring pattern displayed on the patch panel you used (BR,WBR,G,WG,O,WO,B,WB) doesn't actually match up (in order from left to right) with the T568B wiring pattern used in general for the connectors? (WO,O,WG,B,WB,G,WBR,BR) Is this common with all patch panels? To be different? I mean, If it's T568B, why would they not just follow the same left to right color wiring pattern order... as we've learned it in general? Just curious... as I'm trying to learn.
Right. Funny, I never realized how that might be confusing to someone not familiar. So with patch panels you almost always punch down pairs in color order (blue, orange, green, brown). What you don't see is that the 568B mapping is happening between the punch and the gold pins in the front. It's not a one-for-one mapping front to back. Hope that makes sense? 😄
Thanks Aaron! It's ok, the downers are always out there. I'd be willing to be donuts though that many of those posting negative things are not independent telecom contractors. If they realized how tough it was to make a buck out there as an independent, then they would appreciate why every shortcut you can take is vital. Best of luck to you. Thanks for commenting! :-D
I laughed when you threw the cut cable into the wall, clearly you've been doing this for a while, so props to you. I've encountered so many situations where there is no service loop, ever try punching down on a 48 port patch with no wiggle room to pull the patch out? Pain in the ass! Hopefully people watch this and pick up good habits
Oh man, Chris. Have I ever been there with you. Obviously, you get it. And you're trying to make changes in a data cabinet with no slack you're like "OK, what was the guy who put this in thinking?" Really appreciated the feedback and comments!
I suppose the simplest solution in a situation like that would be to test the cable, cut it back, and patch it into a keystone jack. It will introduce another point of error and be a bit messy, but a lot faster than running a new cable (depending on distance of course). Although, it would have been far easier for the installer to leave a few feet of service cable.
I have a question for commercial buildings. For commercial places like Walmart or Home Depot they they run the cable in the ceiling without any conduit. Can I do the same for a church that has the open ceiling like home depot?
You can. I think it’s a matter of aesthetics. As far as I know, there’s no law against it, just for cya, I would bend the ear of a local electrician in your area just to be sure there’s no weird codes against such s thing.
Hey man I noticed something with your service loop. I was at an office one day with severe water damage from a construction site one floor above. Basically the floor above was completely flooded over night due to a main water pipe that broke unnoticed. So lots of water came down to that office from the sealing and their network infrastructure was destroyed. Water was slowly running along those Cat cables directly into the patch panels at the top of their racks and then dripped on all the switches, servers, telephone system and their router below. Having a service loop like that probably would have saved some of those devices. So this is a pretty cool idea for several reasons 👍
Oh great point. That’s definitely something I worry about with Outside plant cable as they traverse from outdoors to inside. I have to say that in many years of installing infrastructure, I’ve only run into water events twice. And in both cases, they only affected one outlet. Thanks for pointing that out! 😊
That white cable was also a Category 5e (network grade) cable. Because this location wanted an analog voice port at each jack location, I used white as a visual indicator for the voice cables.
thanks Jose. Anyone who does this work as much as I do gets it. Every industry has dirty little secrets that the consumers would be appalled if they knew about. thanks for commenting 😄
thank you! there's a big difference between what you learn (lab, apprenticeship, tech school) versus what you do in the field when you've been doing this for ages.
Could be wrong but is it something to do with if you have aircon circulating in the space? (Pushing air through?) Just taking a guess as not sure either.
Great video. I got 1 question. If i want the same setup to also supply internet to all the rooms, will it work in same cable? Or i need to do separate wiring.?
Interested in this field. Once you have terminated the rj45 and terminate the patch panel....what then connects to the patch panel so people can get internet?
good question. So, on patch panel side, you would have a network switch, a router, and maybe a cable/DSL modem (some routers have the modem already built in). So the connections would go like this ISP service --> Modem --> Router --> network switch --> patch panel.
Question - in a home where there is a minimal service loop available and the cables are terminated with an rj45 connector instead of a patch panel, how do you run new cables for extra slack to punch down to a patch panel? Don't want to poke new holes if there's an easy way
hmm.. that tricky Daniel. What we sometime do is use the old cable as a "pull string" for the new cable. This can work well in a commercial environment where the cable path is fairly predictable. However, in a home that idea may not work so well. the other idea I see done when the cables are to short near router/switch area is to put the patch panel in the attic space and then run long patch cords from that patch panel (in the attic) down to the router/switch equipment. Good luck. :-D
Nice video and some good info, I have had problems mounting equipment in racks that the drop cables "service loop" is in the way. A better alternative is to keep the loop at the very top of the cage and utilize the space behind the patch panel and not to tie it to the back rails.
There's usually all kinds of stuff up there, like sprinkler lines and other plumbing, duct work, conduit with power wires, etc. Even really shallow ceiling tiles usually have more than just insulation (the enemy of all who work in ceilings or crawl spaces ...well that and sharp duct work).
That has nothing to do with what I pointed out. He literally said, "there is nothing up there. If you've ever put your head up there, it's _usually_ just empty space". I pointed out that it's usually _not_ empty space. So by your idiotic assumption that I wanted an entire course in one video is stupid! I'm just the guy pointing out what should be obvious and your the idiot with no logic so you have use reductio ad absurdum.
I did actually agree with you...not sure why you had to be so offensive? Secondly Mr Cable guy here was explaining the difference between a dropped ceiling in an office environment and say your home which is drywall, vapor barrier, batt or blow-in insulation and possibly a crawlspace. He did actually say there is stuff up there, but generally it's easy access to run the cable. Plus the last job I did aside from some 4" ductwork for the vent and a fluorescent light in the middle of the room, the whole dropped ceiling space was clear, therefore I beg to differ and every jobsite is different depending on the construction. Lastly if your going to spout latin at someone be wary of the "straw man argument"
Question..this is just a general question..but why do cables from the walls go to straight to patch panels to a switch..is there a reason why the cables couldn't just go straight to the switch?
Thank you for that Santana. And, it makes troubleshooting easier. It's best practice in the commercial environment, but for home use, you could skip the patch panel if you wanted to.
Hey a great video. A little query though, How do you know while patching the cable on the patch panel that the cable you patched is at the same identifier number since you marked the identifier number on the outlet plate before hand. I hope someone replies. Thanks!!
Mark the cable as you're pulling it out of the box, and mark the box. Then mark the box end of the cable when you cut it off. Permanent marker or label maker works well. If you're pulling one wire at a time you don't have to mark the box, just the cable when cut, same identification as the other end.
Question - Im a newb when it comes to networking. Why are patch panels needed? Why not instead the CAT 5 already has connecting RJ45s on each tip and all you have to do is plug them straight into the router or switch in the cabinet?
That's a good observation Tim. In some smaller installations, that is sometimes done - just skip the patch panel and crimp RJ-45 ends on the cables. If it was a small network and you were pretty sure things would not need to change often, then you could do that. However, the industry standard is that patch panels get used. In a busy or growing environment, the necessity for a patch panel becomes more obvious. But, if you're installing just a small little network and you want to just put crimp ends on the cables, that will still work. :-)
i'm confused so you throw the clippings in the wall but what do you do with the trash created by the jacks? carry a trash can with you and there is no need to go back and forth.
@@NetworkAdvisor Also (I aint doign this yet for a few years but i'm plannign it) I'm building a service to claim shifts, track warnings, demotions, suspensions, employment temrinations, track activity and more. I want to know what server rack, what type of cables and servers are very good but bugest-friendly
Hi ,I got 2 routers on my house ,1 on my room and 1 on chitcken ,my 2nd one wont worked and my company resolved it and after, it was go so slow I got before 600mb/s dow and 300mb/s up ,after 0.50down and ,0.10up. help me .
Hey man, im 19 years old trying to go into the networking field. i hope its not to late for a reply but i have a question. Where that patch panel is, are you going to put a switch or hub in there to fill up those ports you was testing? If so, why are you going that route and not just putting a switch in the central point? One last question, is that a star topology or star-bus?
Arias, there is definetly a switch and router that went into that cabinet. That *IS* the central point. That is a STAR topology network. As for BUS, I've not seen anyone using that configuration in years (like since 1994 - Lantastic & Novell).
there is no such thing as a bus with this type of cabling installation. it is single point terminations. Bus went out back in the old days with co-ax cabling and network bridges.
***** yes, everything is you say is true. My apologies, but I think I was getting this video confused with another I made. (I make several per month). The device I was using in this video is NOT the Byte Bro 1000RWC. In this video I am just using a simple continuity tester. What I thought I was talking about was my Byte Bros certifier.. So, you are right. My bad.
hey, thanks for commenting. The jobs get priced out one of three ways: 1. Price per jack location (typically $80 US for a single outlet) 2. paid by the hour, plus cost of materials 3. Flat fee for entire job. Each method can be profitable for someone who's experienced. I wouldn't say you would get rich in this business, but if you're experienced and you hustle, you can get close to 6-figures (US dollars). A lot depends on your market and how well the economy is doing. Are you in this field?
Yeah n/p man, I always try to do per-hour / cost of per-run w/ terminating. Why yes, yes I am. I do network installs as well tv's, server/network racks, CCTV and a few other things.
yes, the cables go from the network rack, up into the celling, then down through the walls. And, finally to the back of the network outlet on the wall. :)
excellent video. I personally omit that patch-panel part whenever possible, it reduces one point of failure. I rather connect cables directly to switches. It really helped me a lot to find problems in network.
Thanks for the explanation and paying attention to explaining the details, I'm fan of networking and wiring and all but bit skittish when it comes to terminating cables.
Exactly, the white cable was intended for their fax line (voice). However, that is not an official color code. You an choose to use any color you like for voice or data.
I've always used White for voice and anything else (normally blue, purple or green) for data. I find that red is used for building controls in our area so try to avoid that colour as a rule.
+thejacksonles yes, it totally will. It's not verifying the speed of the cable, only that the cable is connected properly on both ends and has no breaks.
hi Alec. I did this job as a contractor. so, my price to the master contracting company was $750 USD for the labor only. the materials and equipment were an additional $800-1000. If I was doing this job for a retail consumer (regular customer) it would probably be about $2500 USD for everything great question!
Hi, is there any specific order you need to follow when mounting equipment inside the rack cabinet? I usually see UPS backup battery mounted at the bottom, whereas main router is usually mounted up the top, what about rest - for instance; server, NAS, patch panel, switches, IP phone server, KVM console, NVR recorder, etc.? Should you leave some space between them to avoid overheating? Thanks for explaining the basic stuff with cable management - I also don't like to walk to the trash can over and over :)
I noticed on the punch-downs for the patch panel that you had a moderate length of wire untwisted, cable side (at least on the close up of that first one anyway). Has that ever led to any cross-talk issues / how much untwisted length can you have before it becomes a problem? Thanks for the vid, it was informative.
hey Tobi, thanks for the comments. I've not gotten into cat 7 much yet. There's just not been that much demand for it in the commercial sector yet. Believe it or not, so many commercial applications are still running 100 mbps networks, so they're quite happy with their cat5 or cat 6. Thanks for watching!
"to all you trolls calling me out on throwing trash in the wall" My dad taught me "have pride in the work you do". Did you skip that lesson in life? That laziness and attitude stereotypes all us tech guys and is the reason why I won't sub out wiring to "help" somebody because you talked about saving time, well you don't save no time being lazy not carrying a small plastic bag with you to toss in the trash can rather than walking back and forth, as you claim, to the trash can. I mean you're doing this for a CUSTOMER. I can see cutting corners and being lazy for non-paid friend/family work. I finished a wiring job earlier this week and the guy helping me saw the ceiling tile mess then found the vacuum at the business, turned it on and cleaned that up even though the customer told us not to worry about it. That extra 5 minutes made us look less lazy than you. Call me a troll in response which I have no problem you calling me that but I'd rather be called a troll for calling you out than a customer calling me lazy.
Lol, you do know that those wires will probably never be seen until they break down the walls again, which could be YEARS from when he threw the wires in there... The tiny 1-2 inch pieces of wire is the least of anyone's worries.
@@diedie111590 do you run a red light if no one is there? Typically no because people have integrity. Same principle applies, no one will ever see the rubbish thrown into the wall, except you. It just feels more professional and would make me feel prideful of my work if I clean up my own mess, regardless if others will ever know or care
@@TheEphemeris actually I do run red lights when no one is around, lol. And that's another good example for me, who is it affecting? No one. It doesn't hurt anyone so I'll continue to do it
Nothing is more dependable than a wired connection, run the cabling if you can. Cross members are a bitch when fishing through walls so watch out for them.
When people picking on how u threw the wire, but I think your whole video is just awesome!
Thanks Derek. It's ok about the criticism. The internet world is loaded with trolls. I'm so glad so many people are being helped by the information I am providing.
Thanks for commenting! :-)
Great video man.
I am a network engineer and what you are doing now is how I began in IT. Your work is where it all begins and essential to the whole setup.
Brought back memories of having to use the "fish sticks" and going through some weird places in some old buildings in SF just to reach the MPOE
Keep it up brother.
appreciate it sir. Wish I didn't have to still pull cable, but that the life of a contractor.
Thanks for commenting! :-)
Hi, i work as a network engineer in one service provider company, we use field technicians to support our L1 installations, i never have a chance to experience onsite installations from behind the computer display (supporting only L2 and L3), so i would like to say thank you for this experience and other ones provided in your videos. :)
You're quite welcome. :-)
it's pretty awesome stuff to see a data centre or telco rack being installed. From a bare hunk of metal to cable runs, dressing the rack with various hardware and powering up the equipment. When you go online and hit "Google" I still get that warm fuzzy feeling :-)
+Andrew Carr indeed
wawu das wonderful
This is a great video. I do tech support over the phone and so it's great to see the physical networking side of things for once. Extremely helpful. Thank you!
Thanks for the feedback Garrison. 👍😊
The cover caps are needed no matter if you do the wiring right or not. They are made to keep the dust out of the connections. If you do not it will cause static in your lines then it will cause data loss as to slower speeds. Just like in an old turn dial radio that has not been used for a while. When you turn the volume up and down you get SNAP CRACKLE POP. That is caused by dust between the plates of the volume control. Great video, keep up the great work.
I recently started wiring my house house up with cat6. It was made in the 50s and when pulling cables through the attic I noticed it was littered with ancient bits of telephone cables and old mating blocks. And I wasn't upset, it was more interesting than anything.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that in the year 2040 when someone finds some old cat5 twisted pairs in the wall there's a pretty good chance they'll just smile and remember how things used to be while they're putting in fancy new optical-to-the-desk wall plates (that still terminate differently from vendor to vendor because some things never change).
Ah ha ha ha... interesting perspective, Mike. I think that way too. Good luck with your project! 😁
This was very helpful. I'm a student and have a big project on how a company lan is actually done so I found this very helpful.
That’s great. Good luck! 😊
Just do not apply any simple mistake you have seen and appreciate the knowledge the Vlogger has shared to us. Thanks Network Advisor!
Respectful man, I truly appreciate you sharing this information.
Very informative. Thank you very much, I am an aspiring network engineer and your videos help me a lot 🤝
Lol most of those comments are about dumping useless stuff into that hole while probably no one will never ever care about. So im gonna comment about the knowledge he shared for free - thank you sir! Thats a nice piece of advice for people with releated questions. Again, thank you!
😅I enjoyed watching this video from start to end. Very informative . Especially the part where I learnt to throw the little pieces of wire inside the dry wall instead of the trash can 😅
Hi Vincent. Thanks for watching! 😃
OMG...I cannot BELIEVE some of these comments! Ranging from where he throws the cable shavings (which is more common than people think) to where he installs the cabinet...HE DID AN ABSOLUTELY PROFESSIONAL JOB!!!
+Garden of Grey well, I’ll take the appreciation where I can get it!!
Thank you very much. :-)
I understand 100% why you toss the rubbish in the wall, but it hurts my OCD ;)
thankyou for the video, that service loop is a very good idea that I will use :)
Very useful. Many thanks. Do a lot of configuration but never actually made the cable runs. Now I want to expand the network in my home and plan to do it myself this time.
Good deal Dominic. I don't think I mentioned it, but a good place to buy reliable materials (jacks, cable, patch panel) is monoprice dot com. I don't have any incentive to recommend them. Just saying.
Good luck! :-D
I really appreciate this video. I'll probably watch it multiple times
I rarely leave comments unless I'm trolling, but thank you for making this video and this entire channel. I am a very new IT field technician and your content helps me to grow and understand. Subscribed because you rock!
Great, glad I could help. If you're an up and coming IT pro, you might like my other channel too - DIY Telecom th-cam.com/users/DIYTelecom
Good luck! :-D
SampleTextLensFlare plz don't listen or follow anything this hack is showing he doesn't know what he's doing.
Robo, this simplest way to get into this business is call a small, local Telecom or Network installation business and as them if they need help pulling cable. Once you start there, if you show some initiative, you can go pretty far without ever setting foot in a classroom. Most of what we learn is "on the job training". Good luck. :)
absolutely true, if you show abilities to learn this way the work will follow.
very well explained with a practical example. Thank you!
Lol I wathed this and thought: did he really just used that hole as a trashcan? Continued watching and laughed when you mentioned it. Nice vid.
+Tom V. Thanks. You know what is so funny Tom, is that one little event is responsible for about half the comments left on this video. I don't think I could have planned something more effective for boosting the popularity. :-)
nice one, Mike Tyson.
Satellite and internet techs do it as well.
@@NetworkAdvisor hey
Totally awesome. The book does not teach this. THANK YOU!
Thanks Gia. Glad I could provide an extra perspective. 😊
You are tops! I am teaching myself to punch down a patch panel I purchased along with a roll of cable and cable making kit. I'm sure I will get there with your help. Rock on NA!!!
You are genius, man. I like the way you show how it is done. Thumbs up!
+Huanyu Liu wonderful, thank you for the compliment. My pleasure to help!
Really glad I came across this video. Very well explained and easy to understand..
thanks for the feedback. Just glad I can help people out.
Nice video. altough i already know most of the information, staying a bit up to date with what other people do is always nice. Youre one of the few videos i actuallywatch from start to end
+7249xxl well, that's quite a compliment. Thanks you! :-)
Network Advisor dont mention it. Youre not shitting about yiu just do your work and explain why you do it the way you do. Thats natural teaching
Awesome video...easy to understand...no fluff...nicely done!
Nice video, was relaxing to watch. Those keystone jacks seem very well made. I was like everyone and spotted you dumping the cut offs inside the wall. End of the day no one is going to see it, and it's expected of all workmen ha.
Personally I'd just carry a small bag with me and dump them in there. You never know when someone seeing you be that little bit more professional could help, but end of the day it's not a game changing issue, it's more of a personal thing.
I love the keystone jacks and if you have the money to do Belden installations you'll love them even more, about 1/2 the time to install and punch down, and they have a handy dandy automatic crimping tool for the pros.
Very informative video, but i must comment on the trash in the wall. As a Commercial General Contractor, that has always been a pet peeve with me, especially when i have opened up walls and found pee bottles among many other things. But that is just my rant..carry on, really appreciate the knowledge you share.
@NetworkAdvisor , Awesome video!!! Thank you. Question... do you know why the T568B wiring pattern displayed on the patch panel you used (BR,WBR,G,WG,O,WO,B,WB) doesn't actually match up (in order from left to right) with the T568B wiring pattern used in general for the connectors? (WO,O,WG,B,WB,G,WBR,BR) Is this common with all patch panels? To be different? I mean, If it's T568B, why would they not just follow the same left to right color wiring pattern order... as we've learned it in general? Just curious... as I'm trying to learn.
Right. Funny, I never realized how that might be confusing to someone not familiar.
So with patch panels you almost always punch down pairs in color order (blue, orange, green, brown). What you don't see is that the 568B mapping is happening between the punch and the gold pins in the front. It's not a one-for-one mapping front to back. Hope that makes sense? 😄
Great video sir! Thanks for sharing. People making negative comments about you tossing a few wires in the wall.......come on folks. Really?
Thanks Aaron! It's ok, the downers are always out there. I'd be willing to be donuts though that many of those posting negative things are not independent telecom contractors. If they realized how tough it was to make a buck out there as an independent, then they would appreciate why every shortcut you can take is vital. Best of luck to you. Thanks for commenting! :-D
I laughed when you threw the cut cable into the wall, clearly you've been doing this for a while, so props to you. I've encountered so many situations where there is no service loop, ever try punching down on a 48 port patch with no wiggle room to pull the patch out? Pain in the ass! Hopefully people watch this and pick up good habits
Oh man, Chris. Have I ever been there with you. Obviously, you get it. And you're trying to make changes in a data cabinet with no slack you're like "OK, what was the guy who put this in thinking?"
Really appreciated the feedback and comments!
I suppose the simplest solution in a situation like that would be to test the cable, cut it back, and patch it into a keystone jack. It will introduce another point of error and be a bit messy, but a lot faster than running a new cable (depending on distance of course). Although, it would have been far easier for the installer to leave a few feet of service cable.
Possibly the same guy who put the trash in his pocket. Clean floor but poor installation :-)
I have a question for commercial buildings. For commercial places like Walmart or Home Depot they they run the cable in the ceiling without any conduit. Can I do the same for a church that has the open ceiling like home depot?
You can. I think it’s a matter of aesthetics. As far as I know, there’s no law against it, just for cya, I would bend the ear of a local electrician in your area just to be sure there’s no weird codes against such s thing.
@@NetworkAdvisor thank you
i viewed lots o f videos but yours is very detailed VERY VERY detailed..Thanks! learned a lot !!
Hey man I noticed something with your service loop. I was at an office one day with severe water damage from a construction site one floor above. Basically the floor above was completely flooded over night due to a main water pipe that broke unnoticed. So lots of water came down to that office from the sealing and their network infrastructure was destroyed. Water was slowly running along those Cat cables directly into the patch panels at the top of their racks and then dripped on all the switches, servers, telephone system and their router below. Having a service loop like that probably would have saved some of those devices. So this is a pretty cool idea for several reasons 👍
Oh great point. That’s definitely something I worry about with Outside plant cable as they traverse from outdoors to inside. I have to say that in many years of installing infrastructure, I’ve only run into water events twice. And in both cases, they only affected one outlet. Thanks for pointing that out! 😊
@@NetworkAdvisor Indeed it is rare. But when it happens, its bad haha
I toss it in the wall to, doing over 200+ and picking/sweeping up after your done is a lot more work. Nice and neat 👍👍
ahhh.... someone who gets it. Thanks for chiming-in. And, thanks for watching! :)
Great Video with lot of information within perfect amount of time.
Thanks Raj. Yep, I know when I go looking for information, I want quick & easy. Don't bore me with a lot of background information. :)
I like ur video of wiring network. really its helpful for beginner...
that's great to hear. Glad I could help. :-)
First of thanks to reply
Actually I m new in this professional
So I need help how to connect patch panel,WLC n LIU
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Excellent video. Get yourself a 'Cyclops' cable stripper - really cool bit of kit that I use every day. 🙂
Hmmm. Have to check it out. Thanks for the heads up. 🤔
Good Job Sir, thanks for uploading. Really helped a lot.
Thank you so much for this video. One question: what was the white cable coming out of the wall?
That white cable was also a Category 5e (network grade) cable. Because this location wanted an analog voice port at each jack location, I used white as a visual indicator for the voice cables.
@@NetworkAdvisor I thought so! Thanks so much for replying and thanks for all these videos!!!!! You’re amazing. 🙂
can i reuse an old patch panel?
Yes, you can refuse a previously used patch panel. 👍
he real professional no time to waste and if you guys dont know theres already trash in there that makes no difference
thanks Jose. Anyone who does this work as much as I do gets it. Every industry has dirty little secrets that the consumers would be appalled if they knew about.
thanks for commenting 😄
I like how you tossed the trash into the outlet! :P
Spoke too soon lol. I agree with you, too. :D
thank you! there's a big difference between what you learn (lab, apprenticeship, tech school) versus what you do in the field when you've been doing this for ages.
That is what the hole in the wall is made for lol I do that same thing 90% of the time.
Isn't that how you do insulation?
I thought it was spare parts?
Same difference.
CompTIA says you need to use Plenum grade wire when going into air spaces such as drop down ceilings or floors?
Could be wrong but is it something to do with if you have aircon circulating in the space? (Pushing air through?) Just taking a guess as not sure either.
None Given I think so but I guess it's more a "code" thing for building inspectors and city ordinances.
@mr mike Hi, it really depends on the type of role you decide to enter into. If your job requires this type of work then you may have to.
Great video. I got 1 question. If i want the same setup to also supply internet to all the rooms, will it work in same cable? Or i need to do separate wiring.?
What's the white cable for? I don't see any white cables going to the wire cabinet(central location).
Interested in this field. Once you have terminated the rj45 and terminate the patch panel....what then connects to the patch panel so people can get internet?
good question. So, on patch panel side, you would have a network switch, a router, and maybe a cable/DSL modem (some routers have the modem already built in). So the connections would go like this ISP service --> Modem --> Router --> network switch --> patch panel.
@@NetworkAdvisor Thank you so much for the reply. Your information is truly valuable.
great vid, explained well. thanks
+NikoPrimitif thanks for the feedback.
i have a 2u hinge bracket in my network cabinet. a keystone 24 port patch panel. and a shelf to hold my router, modem and 18 port switch
Excellent stuff. Thanks for sharing 😄
Very Knowledgable and helpful..!!!
Question - in a home where there is a minimal service loop available and the cables are terminated with an rj45 connector instead of a patch panel, how do you run new cables for extra slack to punch down to a patch panel? Don't want to poke new holes if there's an easy way
hmm.. that tricky Daniel. What we sometime do is use the old cable as a "pull string" for the new cable. This can work well in a commercial environment where the cable path is fairly predictable. However, in a home that idea may not work so well.
the other idea I see done when the cables are to short near router/switch area is to put the patch panel in the attic space and then run long patch cords from that patch panel (in the attic) down to the router/switch equipment. Good luck. :-D
Nice video and some good info, I have had problems mounting equipment in racks that the drop cables "service loop" is in the way. A better alternative is to keep the loop at the very top of the cage and utilize the space behind the patch panel and not to tie it to the back rails.
Are the white cables Ethernet as well? because you didn't terminate them in the patch panel.
good catch. No, those are actually being used a fax and/or postal meter lines. (modems).
Thanks for commenting!
Network Advisor would you be willing to for me your email so that I could ask any other questions there?
Thanks for the video, great job. Quick question, approximately how much does someone charge for a small office cable drop?
Thanks.
There's usually all kinds of stuff up there, like sprinkler lines and other plumbing, duct work, conduit with power wires, etc. Even really shallow ceiling tiles usually have more than just insulation (the enemy of all who work in ceilings or crawl spaces ...well that and sharp duct work).
true but this was a small primer video not a 1 days class on how to run cable
That has nothing to do with what I pointed out. He literally said, "there is nothing up there. If you've ever put your head up there, it's _usually_ just empty space". I pointed out that it's usually _not_ empty space. So by your idiotic assumption that I wanted an entire course in one video is stupid! I'm just the guy pointing out what should be obvious and your the idiot with no logic so you have use reductio ad absurdum.
I did actually agree with you...not sure why you had to be so offensive? Secondly Mr Cable guy here was explaining the difference between a dropped ceiling in an office environment and say your home which is drywall, vapor barrier, batt or blow-in insulation and possibly a crawlspace. He did actually say there is stuff up there, but generally it's easy access to run the cable. Plus the last job I did aside from some 4" ductwork for the vent and a fluorescent light in the middle of the room, the whole dropped ceiling space was clear, therefore I beg to differ and every jobsite is different depending on the construction.
Lastly if your going to spout latin at someone be wary of the "straw man argument"
Question..this is just a general question..but why do cables from the walls go to straight to patch panels to a switch..is there a reason why the cables couldn't just go straight to the switch?
You could run the cables straight to the switch, but using a patch panel makes the wiring look cleaner and more professional.
Thank you for that Santana. And, it makes troubleshooting easier. It's best practice in the commercial environment, but for home use, you could skip the patch panel if you wanted to.
Where did you buy your RJ pigtails you plug into your cable tester at the end of your video to check continuity??
I believe I gothem on Monoprice website. I get most of my supplies from them (or HomeDepot)
THANKS man, this is helpful
Hey a great video. A little query though, How do you know while patching the cable on the patch panel that the cable you patched is at the same identifier number since you marked the identifier number on the outlet plate before hand. I hope someone replies. Thanks!!
SAHIL KANSAL you wouldn't kknow , after you connect them you'll need to use a toner to identify which port is which
Mark the cable as you're pulling it out of the box, and mark the box. Then mark the box end of the cable when you cut it off. Permanent marker or label maker works well. If you're pulling one wire at a time you don't have to mark the box, just the cable when cut, same identification as the other end.
you write it on both ends of the cable (or use a label)
Awesome video sir!
hey thanks Rommel. Glad I could help. :-)
Good stuff bro am learning all of this stuff.
Wonderful. Thanks for chiming in. 😄
Question - Im a newb when it comes to networking. Why are patch panels needed? Why not instead the CAT 5 already has
connecting RJ45s on each tip and all you have to do is plug them straight into
the router or switch in the cabinet?
That's a good observation Tim. In some smaller installations, that is sometimes done - just skip the patch panel and crimp RJ-45 ends on the cables.
If it was a small network and you were pretty sure things would not need to change often, then you could do that.
However, the industry standard is that patch panels get used. In a busy or growing environment, the necessity for a patch panel becomes more obvious.
But, if you're installing just a small little network and you want to just put crimp ends on the cables, that will still work. :-)
Nice vid, appropriate pace and helpful shooting technique. I guess a GoPro has been used! Thanks a lot.
good to have those patch panels having indicators to check T568 A and B
in the case they dont have what would you do
I may have missed it but just to verify did you use a tone probe to identify each wire when you connecting your cables? Just wondering.
i'm confused so you throw the clippings in the wall but what do you do with the trash created by the jacks? carry a trash can with you and there is no need to go back and forth.
The only people who would ever see it would be the construction crew when a wall has to be demoed/rebuilt. Trust me, they don't care.
I love your video! Great Job!
Thank you Michael. 😊
Are white and blue data cables the same>
They are the same Category 5e. Blue was intended for data and white was for dialtone.
@@NetworkAdvisor Also (I aint doign this yet for a few years but i'm plannign it)
I'm building a service to claim shifts, track warnings, demotions, suspensions, employment temrinations, track activity and more. I want to know what server rack, what type of cables and servers are very good but bugest-friendly
Thanks 😊, So much.
I hope you Successfully always, InshAllah.
Thank you Sarmad. 😊
Hi ,I got 2 routers on my house ,1 on my room and 1 on chitcken ,my 2nd one wont worked and my company resolved it and after, it was go so slow I got before 600mb/s dow and 300mb/s up ,after 0.50down and ,0.10up. help me .
please can you tell me were you buy the materials
mono price dot com or the big-box hardware stores here in the USA.
Thanks for asking!
was there a special technique you used to run the cable to each room? And do you do if the room is far away?
Hey man, im 19 years old trying to go into the networking field. i hope its not to late for a reply but i have a question. Where that patch panel is, are you going to put a switch or hub in there to fill up those ports you was testing? If so, why are you going that route and not just putting a switch in the central point? One last question, is that a star topology or star-bus?
Arias, there is definetly a switch and router that went into that cabinet. That *IS* the central point. That is a STAR topology network. As for BUS, I've not seen anyone using that configuration in years (like since 1994 - Lantastic & Novell).
there is no such thing as a bus with this type of cabling installation. it is single point terminations. Bus went out back in the old days with co-ax cabling and network bridges.
If I may, what's the model of that certifier?
+musaid yes, that is a Byte Bros. :-)
no, it certifies. You can even print out the results or save to Excel.
***** yes, everything is you say is true. My apologies, but I think I was getting this video confused with another I made. (I make several per month). The device I was using in this video is NOT the Byte Bro 1000RWC. In this video I am just using a simple continuity tester. What I thought I was talking about was my Byte Bros certifier.. So, you are right. My bad.
Good money in doing that. do you go by foot or just a cost of run and terminating?
hey, thanks for commenting. The jobs get priced out one of three ways:
1. Price per jack location (typically $80 US for a single outlet)
2. paid by the hour, plus cost of materials
3. Flat fee for entire job.
Each method can be profitable for someone who's experienced. I wouldn't say you would get rich in this business, but if you're experienced and you hustle, you can get close to 6-figures (US dollars). A lot depends on your market and how well the economy is doing.
Are you in this field?
Yeah n/p man, I always try to do per-hour / cost of per-run w/ terminating.
Why yes, yes I am. I do network installs as well tv's, server/network racks, CCTV and a few other things.
( . Y . ) I'd like to do this in the N.Y. area not experienced how'd you get training
What was the white rj45 in the outlet for?
Fax line. Remember, this was in 2016. 😆
God bless you my friend! Amazing video! I do feel sorry for your arm having to hold the camera and doing this single handed!
+Ainul Ahmed thank you. Actually, the camera was mounted on my head for most of that video. :-)
Should we run separate cable for telephone/ HDMI?
Thanks for the video.
do you also install all of the cables through the cell?
yes, the cables go from the network rack, up into the celling, then down through the walls. And, finally to the back of the network outlet on the wall. :)
I also like how you dispose of the garbage.
Was there fireboard behind that rack?
that is mounted directly on the sheetrock (and studs). Never seen a Fireboard in FL (US).
Is that a wood frame construction? For me as a European the hollow walls are pretty fascinating. How many floors can you build that way?
I messed up and didn't label the cables with numbers. Do I now have to put heads on all cables to find out where they go? Nightmare :(
excellent video. I personally omit that patch-panel part whenever possible, it reduces one point of failure. I rather connect cables directly to switches. It really helped me a lot to find problems in network.
Excellent video ..and really really helpful, thanks !!! your install looks very professional
Thanks for the explanation and paying attention to explaining the details, I'm fan of networking and wiring and all but bit skittish when it comes to terminating cables.
+Zeze Andjr we've all been there at one time. Your first few terminations will be crappy. Just accept it.
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Same thing I do in my voice data class!! Great video
wow, that's quite a compliment. Thanks! :-D
what is the white cable for? Is it for voice?
Exactly, the white cable was intended for their fax line (voice). However, that is not an official color code. You an choose to use any color you like for voice or data.
I've always used White for voice and anything else (normally blue, purple or green) for data. I find that red is used for building controls in our area so try to avoid that colour as a rule.
Hey can someone tell me what his job title?I’m new to the IT world and the aspect seems interesting.
IT is a very broad term but you could call him a network engineer
Will that Sperry tester work with CAT6 Cable?
+thejacksonles yes, it totally will. It's not verifying the speed of the cable, only that the cable is connected properly on both ends and has no breaks.
Network Advisor Thank you!
Great and very detailed video !
+Denesha Miles thanks for the feedback! :-)
Thanks for video.
I would like to ask ( if it's ok)
How much is labor cost for projects like this ?
Thanks .
hi Alec. I did this job as a contractor. so, my price to the master contracting company was $750 USD for the labor only. the materials and equipment were an additional $800-1000.
If I was doing this job for a retail consumer (regular customer) it would probably be about $2500 USD for everything
great question!
Hi, is there any specific order you need to follow when mounting equipment inside the rack cabinet? I usually see UPS backup battery mounted at the bottom, whereas main router is usually mounted up the top, what about rest - for instance; server, NAS, patch panel, switches, IP phone server, KVM console, NVR recorder, etc.? Should you leave some space between them to avoid overheating? Thanks for explaining the basic stuff with cable management - I also don't like to walk to the trash can over and over :)
the only reason you mount the ups at the bottom is because its the heaviest item in the rack. you dont need to leave space between them.
Can you call router and modem with low voltage landline and get broadband signal lihgt with ipv 7 protocol signal for windows server 2019
What does that even mean?? ipv7? Are you from the future?
I noticed on the punch-downs for the patch panel that you had a moderate length of wire untwisted, cable side (at least on the close up of that first one anyway). Has that ever led to any cross-talk issues / how much untwisted length can you have before it becomes a problem? Thanks for the vid, it was informative.
C'est une vidéo très instructive. J'aime/ I like this video. thats verry good
oldschool method!
do you kow the manufactor btr or leoni!
and old Technology cat 7 is since 2010 or earlier the best method!
hey Tobi, thanks for the comments. I've not gotten into cat 7 much yet. There's just not been that much demand for it in the commercial sector yet. Believe it or not, so many commercial applications are still running 100 mbps networks, so they're quite happy with their cat5 or cat 6.
Thanks for watching!
"to all you trolls calling me out on throwing trash in the wall"
My dad taught me "have pride in the work you do". Did you skip that lesson in life?
That laziness and attitude stereotypes all us tech guys and is the reason why I won't sub out wiring to "help" somebody because you talked about saving time, well you don't save no time being lazy not carrying a small plastic bag with you to toss in the trash can rather than walking back and forth, as you claim, to the trash can.
I mean you're doing this for a CUSTOMER. I can see cutting corners and being lazy for non-paid friend/family work. I finished a wiring job earlier this week and the guy helping me saw the ceiling tile mess then found the vacuum at the business, turned it on and cleaned that up even though the customer told us not to worry about it. That extra 5 minutes made us look less lazy than you.
Call me a troll in response which I have no problem you calling me that but I'd rather be called a troll for calling you out than a customer calling me lazy.
thank you for the very thorough and thoughtful comment. And, thanks for watching! :-)
Lol, you do know that those wires will probably never be seen until they break down the walls again, which could be YEARS from when he threw the wires in there... The tiny 1-2 inch pieces of wire is the least of anyone's worries.
@@diedie111590 do you run a red light if no one is there? Typically no because people have integrity. Same principle applies, no one will ever see the rubbish thrown into the wall, except you. It just feels more professional and would make me feel prideful of my work if I clean up my own mess, regardless if others will ever know or care
@@TheEphemeris actually I do run red lights when no one is around, lol. And that's another good example for me, who is it affecting? No one. It doesn't hurt anyone so I'll continue to do it
@@TheEphemeris Run a red light when no one is there? Absolutely. What, do you just sit there by yourself like a goon?
Thank you for a great explanation.
It all makes sense now :D
WHen you see it all kinda laid out from start to finish, it helps you get that's its not so mysterious, right? :-)
@@NetworkAdvisor @ yes that is so true. :)
What's the model of that certifier tester?
that’s only a continuity tester. Its a Sperry. its on my website www.networkadvisor.net
Should I stay wireless or stick cables through the walls?
Stick cables through your windows
Nothing is more dependable than a wired connection, run the cabling if you can. Cross members are a bitch when fishing through walls so watch out for them.
When wireless trippin then what