Wow, this changes EVERYTHING. I have been trying to do pull ups nearly every day for almost ten years, and I thought the goal in both chin ups and pull ups was to try to "screw the elbows in". But doing this with pullups, following the pulling prep I was just 'stuck' not from lack of strength but physical inability to get any higher without rotating my torso right back and doing more of a row. I always thought this was a flexibility issue but didn't know what to stretch to be able to do a pull up from a vertical, non curled position. Every single day I try but just have to 'grind' through a bad range of motion from the top of my pulling prep, until my shoulders 'snap' into the new position and then I'm just using my arms and no back. In fact, I even went to a GMB workshop in Palo Alto, California a few years back with you Ryan and asked briefly about this 'getting stuck' at the top of the pulling prep. Only now do I realize I misunderstood and this 'screwing in' was only for chinups! All I know from previous weights training is that flaring the elbows out (for chest/shoulder exercises like bench press and push ups) is bad and I should avoid it. I immediately went to my bar here after this video and tried rotating OUT for pull ups and immediately it lit up all of my upper back in a way I've never experienced before! It's still a road from here but I'm so excited! This particular tip is a game changer and I've never heard it in watching probably hundreds of pull up tutorials at this point! Thanks! 🙏
Exactly what I needed! Your English and Voice is pretty clear, your Videos are well done and the content is about what the fitness industry should focus on! Movement and awareness! Thank you for your work!
This is the first time I've heart you should be actively flaring the elbows out on a pullup. I just did it in my chair and pressed up my arms, and I've never felt my back fire as a unit like that. I'm going to try this on the bar when I go to the gym later
Just what I needed to hear. Was thinking of transitioning from the back body row to one of the hangs. Btw, also found your hollow body form for beginners video super useful. Thanks and stay safe.
Yeah and to add to that, are all of the hand placement variations worth performing as well? Some people stick to standard grips while others preach variety to really target different areas of the back and arms
While I love doing some of the more advanced stuff, it really depends on what your goal is. If you are just needing to get stronger for your activities then you could be fine in sticking with the standard chin-up and pull-up, doing it super slow and with good form. Again, really depends on your goal and finding what'll allow you to be able to train less to be able do more of your activity in my opinion.
@@riconater3215 Personally, I'm not trying to target different areas of the body by using different hand position. Instead I just stick to a few things I know will help keep me strong for my recreational activities. But sure, if your goal is to target different areas of back and arms then go for it.
great tutorial, I see so many people bashing out half chin and pull ups. I cant do any yet and I'm turning 50 this year so I'm going to try to be able to by then. November 7th. that's the timeline.
Right on - focus on that first lat activation movement, because it's the key to the whole thing. We've also got a more detailed tutorial at gmb.io/pull-ups/ that will help. You can get there :)
I love neutral grip on rings where your palms are facing each other. You'll have the same focus as chin-ups where you'll want elbows in and keep them from flaring.
It's fine, but bands give you the most help at the bottom, which is where you really need to be building your lat activation strength. If you wanna use bands, also give some attention to this exercise without them: th-cam.com/video/DIWVBiBt2kg/w-d-xo.html
i get wicked pain in lower forearm through elbow into lower bicep/tricep from chin or pull ups. the pain is internal like a knife. wish i could do them pain free. i just don't bother with them anymore sadly
Question: since arms are the main muscle group for pull up and chin up. Do i need do some arms exercises for some days before trying this or i can simply start trying it?
No. The main muscle group is your shoulders and back. Just focus on what's in the tutorial - for most people you don't need to recreate to prepare to prepare to do these.
Can we do pull ups ans chin ups in the same workout? I usually do 1 set pullups and then 1 set chin ups? Is that correct or am I killing my improvement?
@@christosalogoskoufis1769 Depends on so many factors... You can try every day, but if you end up not being able to match the # from the day before, take a day off.
Question about kipping: I was always told that it was ok to kip for pull-ups, BUT only if/when you have to. Like don't do it every time, on purpose, but it is alright to use a slight kip to help finish a set or whatever once you've gotten to the point where you can no longer do it just with arms. So my question is this - I know that kipping will obviously detract from the strength gained from just a regular pull-up. But isn't it better to be able to do more pull-ups, albeit at a decreased value gain, rather than just stopping completely if you can't do it without? I guess this would be where the "half-jump"etc. comes in to play (if i'm understanding it right), but like wouldn't that have the same effect of decreasing the gain of doing a regular pull-up? Also what are the reasons behind saying not to kip if/when needed? What other detractors would it have instead of; less gained per pull-up, and possible loss of form? Whenever I would be forced to kip, I was always thinking to myself "ok i know i'm taking away some value of the exercise from my arms, but i'm adding more value to my core" ~ Am I correct in this, or is there more at play here? Thanks. Sorry if these might be super basic questions lol, i'm just curious because as I said, i've always been told that it is ok to kip *when you HAVE to* in order to get more reps.
Instead of kipping try doing a negative. The focus for increasing your strength isn’t the amount of reps but increasing the time under tension. What I’ve done is decrease my rep range from 15 to 8, and have a 10 second negative when lowering myself from the top position of the pull up. It makes it harder for yourself therefore more is gained. And not kipping in general will keep you in good form lol.
Thanks for the clarification. I appreciate it. I always have a super core focused training plan, and so i always just thought whatever bonuses to my core were worth taking, but yeah it makes sense to avoid and replace them to mitigate the risks. Especially for those who may be more prone to injury (age, health, weight). I just always wanted to cram as much into each workout because i would then have more time for other shit. But it seems the benefits of keeping them seperate are worth the time increase. Plus i guess doing more "area-focused" workouts would give better results than trying to do like "all- in-one" types. Right?
This is a squat rack, but the brands aren't reliable, and many different ones are made in the same factories. Just go to Amazon and read the reviews - that's the most reliable.
It all depends on what your goals are . The pull-up works the back more intensely and the chin up involves the arms, specifically, the biceps more. Many people find the chinups easier, but, like I said, it depends on where you're going with it .
One thing I need to check from this - is Ryan putting the meat of his hands over the bar (ie not hook grip)? I had thought hook grip was the proper way to do it, but I've always felt like a T-rex doing it that way, plus my wrists curl.
The bit about pull the elbows in for the chin and out for the pull-up is such a great tip. I haven't heard that anywhere else. Thanks!
Glad to hear it helped!
Wow, this changes EVERYTHING. I have been trying to do pull ups nearly every day for almost ten years, and I thought the goal in both chin ups and pull ups was to try to "screw the elbows in". But doing this with pullups, following the pulling prep I was just 'stuck' not from lack of strength but physical inability to get any higher without rotating my torso right back and doing more of a row. I always thought this was a flexibility issue but didn't know what to stretch to be able to do a pull up from a vertical, non curled position. Every single day I try but just have to 'grind' through a bad range of motion from the top of my pulling prep, until my shoulders 'snap' into the new position and then I'm just using my arms and no back.
In fact, I even went to a GMB workshop in Palo Alto, California a few years back with you Ryan and asked briefly about this 'getting stuck' at the top of the pulling prep. Only now do I realize I misunderstood and this 'screwing in' was only for chinups! All I know from previous weights training is that flaring the elbows out (for chest/shoulder exercises like bench press and push ups) is bad and I should avoid it.
I immediately went to my bar here after this video and tried rotating OUT for pull ups and immediately it lit up all of my upper back in a way I've never experienced before! It's still a road from here but I'm so excited! This particular tip is a game changer and I've never heard it in watching probably hundreds of pull up tutorials at this point! Thanks! 🙏
Exactly what I needed! Your English and Voice is pretty clear, your Videos are well done and the content is about what the fitness industry should focus on! Movement and awareness! Thank you for your work!
I love pull ups man, thanks to let us know the right position of doing it
The best calisthenics tutor on you tube by a mile,,,,no arm waving,,just slow and precise tutorials,,,🚴
Thank you :)
Everything is so well explained! And your t-shirt message is helpful too 😄 thank you Ryan 🙏🏻🙆🏻♀️
Thank you!
Thank you for the tips. I’ll focus my pulling workouts on negative
This is the first time I've heart you should be actively flaring the elbows out on a pullup. I just did it in my chair and pressed up my arms, and I've never felt my back fire as a unit like that. I'm going to try this on the bar when I go to the gym later
Depending on the hand position, you can touch the elbows a bit, but you wanna really try and squeeze the lats :)
"Skip the kip" and do the real pull/chin up ;) thanks for the tutorial
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Excellent advice and technique; thank you sir.
Hello, the little part about crossfit made my day ^^ Thx !
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Just what I needed to hear. Was thinking of transitioning from the back body row to one of the hangs. Btw, also found your hollow body form for beginners video super useful. Thanks and stay safe.
I discovered your channel this week. Great instructional and demonstration videos and tips. “Skip the Kip!’ Is that your merch? I love the shirt.
Glad you're finding it helpful.
It's our shirt, but we don't sell them anymore.
Great tutorial! What about more advanced progressions like the L Sit Pull Up? Are they even worth learning?
Yeah and to add to that, are all of the hand placement variations worth performing as well? Some people stick to standard grips while others preach variety to really target different areas of the back and arms
While I love doing some of the more advanced stuff, it really depends on what your goal is. If you are just needing to get stronger for your activities then you could be fine in sticking with the standard chin-up and pull-up, doing it super slow and with good form. Again, really depends on your goal and finding what'll allow you to be able to train less to be able do more of your activity in my opinion.
@@riconater3215 Personally, I'm not trying to target different areas of the body by using different hand position. Instead I just stick to a few things I know will help keep me strong for my recreational activities. But sure, if your goal is to target different areas of back and arms then go for it.
I like to retract my shoulders blades as much as Possible and it makes as well chin ups harder
great tutorial, I see so many people bashing out half chin and pull ups. I cant do any yet and I'm turning 50 this year so I'm going to try to be able to by then. November 7th. that's the timeline.
Right on - focus on that first lat activation movement, because it's the key to the whole thing. We've also got a more detailed tutorial at gmb.io/pull-ups/ that will help. You can get there :)
What about using a “neutral grip”, such as on rings? What would the cues be for elbows in that case?
I love neutral grip on rings where your palms are facing each other. You'll have the same focus as chin-ups where you'll want elbows in and keep them from flaring.
What is you opinion on using resistance bands to lessen the amount of weight you are pulling?
It's fine, but bands give you the most help at the bottom, which is where you really need to be building your lat activation strength. If you wanna use bands, also give some attention to this exercise without them: th-cam.com/video/DIWVBiBt2kg/w-d-xo.html
This is great. I will try this on my next workout 👍🏻💪🏻
Great! Let me know how it goes.
@@gmbfit works great 👍🏻💪🏻 I so one chin up after another 👍🏻
i get wicked pain in lower forearm through elbow into lower bicep/tricep from chin or pull ups. the pain is internal like a knife. wish i could do them pain free. i just don't bother with them anymore sadly
This may be relevant: gmb.io/steven-low/
Great lesson, btw
Thanks! 😃
Question: since arms are the main muscle group for pull up and chin up. Do i need do some arms exercises for some days before trying this or i can simply start trying it?
No. The main muscle group is your shoulders and back. Just focus on what's in the tutorial - for most people you don't need to recreate to prepare to prepare to do these.
Can we do pull ups ans chin ups in the same workout? I usually do 1 set pullups and then 1 set chin ups? Is that correct or am I killing my improvement?
That's fine. I'd start with whichever is harder for you, then do a bit more of the easier one.
@@gmbfit thanks a lot! Got one more question. Can I do pullups every day or do you suggest resting 1 day in between?
@@christosalogoskoufis1769 Depends on so many factors... You can try every day, but if you end up not being able to match the # from the day before, take a day off.
Question about kipping: I was always told that it was ok to kip for pull-ups, BUT only if/when you have to. Like don't do it every time, on purpose, but it is alright to use a slight kip to help finish a set or whatever once you've gotten to the point where you can no longer do it just with arms.
So my question is this - I know that kipping will obviously detract from the strength gained from just a regular pull-up. But isn't it better to be able to do more pull-ups, albeit at a decreased value gain, rather than just stopping completely if you can't do it without? I guess this would be where the "half-jump"etc. comes in to play (if i'm understanding it right), but like wouldn't that have the same effect of decreasing the gain of doing a regular pull-up? Also what are the reasons behind saying not to kip if/when needed? What other detractors would it have instead of; less gained per pull-up, and possible loss of form?
Whenever I would be forced to kip, I was always thinking to myself "ok i know i'm taking away some value of the exercise from my arms, but i'm adding more value to my core" ~ Am I correct in this, or is there more at play here? Thanks. Sorry if these might be super basic questions lol, i'm just curious because as I said, i've always been told that it is ok to kip *when you HAVE to* in order to get more reps.
True, I was not able to do 3 sets of 8 reps and one day I just started kipping on last reps of last set, now I can do 3 sets of 10 reps
I'd say finish the set with some negatives as slow as you can instead of kipping.
Instead of kipping try doing a negative. The focus for increasing your strength isn’t the amount of reps but increasing the time under tension. What I’ve done is decrease my rep range from 15 to 8, and have a 10 second negative when lowering myself from the top position of the pull up. It makes it harder for yourself therefore more is gained. And not kipping in general will keep you in good form lol.
The reason to avoid kipping is that really increases your odds for injury. Risks>Benefits.
Doing negatives have much less risk and greater rewards
Thanks for the clarification. I appreciate it. I always have a super core focused training plan, and so i always just thought whatever bonuses to my core were worth taking, but yeah it makes sense to avoid and replace them to mitigate the risks. Especially for those who may be more prone to injury (age, health, weight). I just always wanted to cram as much into each workout because i would then have more time for other shit. But it seems the benefits of keeping them seperate are worth the time increase. Plus i guess doing more "area-focused" workouts would give better results than trying to do like "all- in-one" types. Right?
Will chin-ups have some transfer to muscle-up training?
Also, which variation will you say is "safer" for the shoulders? Chin-up or pull-up?
Yes, they can. Neither of them is dangerous for your shoulders if you do them correctly and in sane numbers.
It's like Conga excepts it's "How slow can you go."
Which tower do you use
This is a squat rack, but the brands aren't reliable, and many different ones are made in the same factories. Just go to Amazon and read the reviews - that's the most reliable.
Do you think chin-up & pull-ups on the rings are better than on the bar to avoid injury to the elbow?
There's less strain on the joints, to be sure.
That face at 8:01
Nice video!
Ha! Nice catch.
so we should do one or the other, or both?
It all depends on what your goals are . The pull-up works the back more intensely and the chin up involves the arms, specifically, the biceps more.
Many people find the chinups easier, but, like I said, it depends on where you're going with it .
Excelente exposición!
Gracias,
One thing I need to check from this - is Ryan putting the meat of his hands over the bar (ie not hook grip)? I had thought hook grip was the proper way to do it, but I've always felt like a T-rex doing it that way, plus my wrists curl.
We usually recommend wrapping the hand and thumb over the top of the bar.
I want that tshirt!
Just leaving a comment bellow
Not demonstrated a kip was pure stupid. Still don't know what it is?
We're not gonna demonstrate how to do a thing we recommend avoiding. That would be pretty stupid.
The video insert at 0:19 is the kip. It uses momentum, basically a swinging action, to propel yourself upwards periodically.