Romana definitively needed her own sequel, not to get her own -secret husband- -fiancé- -boyfriend- best friend becoming an emotionless version of her for five years.
They better start rebooting this whole "Timeless Child" gallimaufry of dungaboo. The Child was a Djinn/Great Vampire all this time, The Other is mentioned again and the Fugitive Doctor is just a future incarnation of Doctor Donna - and _past_ incarnation of Doctor's Mother - who forgot along the way that she was Human because the Timelord/her own son's DNA screwed her original memory template, and somehow when the Doctor's DNA is into a female vessel (example: himself as Thirteenth Doctor or within a regenerated Donna) , some of the memories and abilities of the Timeless Child wake back. Pretty nice way to _officially_ introduce a little more of Paradox Faction's lore into mainstream media.
I have a new TH-cam Series you could do, but if you do I’d Recommend you put a disclaimer saying “no hate to [insert episode here] this is an attempt at [insert video series name here]” The Idea is that you attempt to ruin an episode that many people liked or loved, this could just be a joke attempt at ruining the loved episode by using logic that no one would care about. I would love to see an attempt at ruining an episode such as blink The series could be called “Ruining the Rewarded” which is basically the opposite of Defending The Dispised
The Foretold was a one time thing because it was the spirit of a long dead soldier in the form of a mummy. They don't need to do anything else with it because when Peter Capaldi (I don't call him the Doctor in Season 8 because the overrated old coot didn't earn it until his anti-war speech in the latter half of Season 9) told it "we surrender" the Foretold interpreted that as the end of its mission, so it could rest in peace. With Season 8 being strongly focussed on the afterlife, it's fitting that the Foretold's spirit moved on, so there's no need for it to come back. Edit: I got to the part where you talked about Gus instead. Honestly, I'd completely forgotten he was even in the episode. The Foretold was more than enough of a threat on its own, so there was no need for another villain.
I too always thought the time agency would be a very good one to explore. They could almost be like the show’s own version of the TVA with a ginormous headquarters based in the void or their very own dimension with someone leading them from the shadows who The Doctor could see as either a real ally or threat depending on how they keep all of time & history in order
in Torchwood S2E1, Jack's former partner at the time agency lets him know that it ended up shutting down, and there were only a few people left there. Now obviously, since it's a time-traveling organization in a show about a time-traveling man, this means essentially nothing if the writers ever did want to revisit it, but I don't think they do.
One thing I've been thinking of lately is that, IIRC, in the Fires of Pompeii, the Doctor mentions that the psychic potential of the Pompeiians is at the wrong point in time, suggesting that humanity does develop something to do with psionics at some point. I'd like to see that followed up on.
@@yospidey0078 Sure, if you have no media literacy and think something in a story must be explicitly stated to be true, and that we live in a universe where implications just… don’t exist
Romana definitively needed her own sequel, not to get her own -secret husband- -fiancé- -boyfriend- best friend becoming an emotionless version of her for five years.
New Adventures novel Blood Harvest, Big Finish for The Apocalypse Element, Neverland and Zagreus, then the Gallifrey series. BBC Audio did The Kairos Ring too.
If I remember correctly, Jamie Mathieson once said that the initial plan for Oxygen was for GUS' origins to be explained in part of the episode, towards the end. The initial plan had The Doctor intent on blowing up the station, with a worker named Kline attempting to pay them off to preserve it. As The Doctor recognized the voice as GUS, he blew up the station anyway. Off screen, Kline would have been fired, and his voice would have been reused for GUS. Apparently, it was scrapped, as this would have all been after the Space Suits were dealt with, and thus, both Mathieson and Moffat felt it just didn't fit within the script. It's sad we never got the elaboration on GUS, but he wasn't entirely forgotten about.
The storyline I've always wanted to see addressed is the Doctor as Merlin. Basically, the classic Seventh Doctor serial Battlefield suggested that a future Doctor was Merlin. To the best of my knowledge, Big Finish has never picked up this thread, but if I remember correctly, the Virgin New Adventures novels did.
Near as I can tell one of the comics addressed it to the extent of leaving a hint that Merlin might have been the Doctor from another universe/dimension. Sorta like how the White Guardian was supposed to be the Doctor's ultimate form after the Valeyard. But I loved the running gage of the fact that the doctor wanted to be ginger and to date none of them have been redheads.
@@bekenotsalony2905 huh, I've never heard that about the White Guardian. I'll have to look into that. I've actually always wanted to know what happened to the Guardians after the Time War - I really want them to at least get referenced in New Who.
It's such a shame that the spin off class never got a second season. Finale ended with 3 plot twists that will now never get upon. There was April having the body of Corakinus, Quill was now pregnant and at the very end it was revealed that The Governors had teamed up with the weeping angles. I'm still somewhat hoping we'll get to see the weeping angel plotline show up in a future doctor who episode.
Hopefully the upcoming UNIT show, the one with Jemma Hargrave, may delve into some of this. A political thriller with Harmony Shoal would be very interesting.
I can imagine the soldier being allocated to the black archive, forgetting they were with Harmony Shoal and coming out as if nothing happened. There's probably some semblance of the original person for no one to suspect them, not even anyone close.
This one isn't really a loose end, but I had an idea for a Boom Town sequel story about what happened to Blon after she was reborn as an egg. She grows up under a new identity, raised by a different family, and becomes an agent of the Shadow Proclaimation, eventually learning about her previous life and has to come to terms with the things she did. The reveal would kind of be like how Yana discovered he's The Master, except she rejects her past instead of embracing it.
I actually appreciate when tv shows/movies leave some threads up to your imagination... Not that DW actually meant to do that for any of these, but it also tees up writers to come back to these whenever they're inspired to
My roommate and I both watch your videos, and this one prompted him to send some Very Interesting Images Of Sonic to me. I feel like I'm entitled to financial compensation
One of the rules for the writers of Virgin novels was not using the Valeyard because the editors didn’t want to touch the character. The Sixth Doctor Missing Adventure Millenial Rites does have the local space time warped enough that the Doctor deals with a corruption of his personality (Anne Travers trying to summon the Great Intelligence had unexpected side effects, that does actually happen), but iirc the book never goes as far as to namecheck the Brickyard himself.
Well I think Clara's Impossible Girl might have "solved" the Valeyard. Because if you look at what Matt Smith's doctor was working on while he was parked in the cloud above London in Madam Vastra's period, a lot of us believe that was the black scrolls he was inventing, which would have eventually lead him to create the Valeyard persona. But ecause Clara came into his life and became apart of his timelines instead of regenerating into the Valeyard, he became Capaldi's doctor. But till they reveral more, we'll be left to wonder. But I can imagine it's complicated because of the way copy right laws work over there. Hency why we'll never see the Rani back. Because who ever wrote the character for the first time in the scripts, OWNS that character in Who media. And in the case of the Rani, it was split betweeen two creators, who have both passed, and no one knows who actually holds the copy right on the Rani now, because the bbc has a contact line for sending the royalty checks to this person who does the middle man work for who ever owns the Rani, but with out premission from the Rani's mysterious owner, no one can use the character. The Valeyard was created by John Nathan-Turner, but since he died in 2002, I have no idea who he would have left the copy right to. It's why a lot of classic who villains can't be used to tie up their stories because they just can't get the rights to use them anymore.
I thought you were going to mention the Great Catastrophe mentioned in Sleep No More, another loose ends I'd like to see tied up however I'd say it's meant to be this ominous, unseen thing
Really great list. That said, the one that frustrates me the most which wasn't on this list was how the first couple of episodes of series eleven set up the Stenza as a major threat who are conquering planets and rendering them lifeless, then they just never show up again despite being set up to be Thirteen's big bads.
Literally someone send this video to RTD. If anyone can write interesting and compelling stories with these characters and stuff then it's Russell plus we know he's great at world building and like fleshing out characters and settings.
@@TPH250290 you literally just answered your own question. They are currently half baked. If we gave these charactets to RTD eho is good at developing characters and stuff and like world buidling he can flesh them out more and give them development.
I would love the harmony shoal to return, it would have been perfect for flux with them being the ones infiltrating unit rather than the grand serpent.
The Unit Spinoff show with Jemma Redgrave that is rumoured would be the perfect opportunity to pay off/continue the Harmony Shoal infiltration of Unit storyline as a perfect background narrative running alongside the day to day "monster of the week" type stuff im sure we'd get.
They better start rebooting this whole "Timeless Child" gallimaufry of dungaboo. The Child was a Djinn/Great Vampire all this time, The Other is mentioned again and the Fugitive Doctor is just a future incarnation of Doctor Donna - and _past_ incarnation of Doctor's Mother - who forgot along the way that she was Human because the Timelord/her own son's DNA screwed her original memory template, and somehow when the Doctor's DNA is into a female vessel (example: himself as Thirteenth Doctor or within a regenerated Donna) , some of the memories and abilities of the Timeless Child wake back. Pretty nice way to _officially_ introduce a little more of Paradox Faction's lore into mainstream media.
6:39 / 14:46 hmmmm I always thought gus was just one of missy plans since she was doing a lot of behide the sences stuff in series 8 and it would force the doctor to be more like them ruthless letting people die to solve the problem
The Grand Serpent is deffo someone who needs to be revisited. I feel he possibly could be since he had interactions with Kate Stewart and we know that she is gonna be back in Ncuti's era along with another new character played by Aneurin Bernard. I like to think The Grand Serpent is the Corsair. The Time Lord that The Doctor mentions in The Doctor's Wife episode who always has the snake tattoo. It will explain the name change and the snake theme and stuff. I dunno maybe Corsair is bitter at The Doctor for abandoning the Time Lord's or something. Certainly a lot of stories you can mine from him.
I honestly thought the grand serpent was being set up for future series. I was so baffled that they introduced and wrapped him up at the tail end of the flux story.
Pocketwatch Corsair, maybe? Also, aren’t we getting a UNIT spinoff following Kate Stewart? We could get the Grand Serpent back for at least a cameo, if not a season-long villain.
For some reason I remembered Gus as The Great Intelligence before I rewatched the episode and honestly I think it would have still worked if it was the GI instead of Gus.
I always wanted to know what happened between Queen Elizabeth and the Doctor prior to (as she perceived it) the battle with the Carrionettes at the Globe Theater back in the Tennant era.
I love the series 4 episode Midnight! The whole premise of the episode is just so clever and completely terrifying! Being trapped in a space shuttle with a group of strangers who all turn on each other when one of them becomes possessed by an unknown alien entity who starts repeating everything that everyone says! David Tennant's acting in this episode was incredible! I also think it would be really cool to have a follow up episode explaining what the unknown entity actually was, and what was really lurking on the surface of the planet Midnight! 😊😊
I think an explanation would defeat the point of the episode tbh. The Midnight monster works so well precisely because we don't know what it is. To explain it would be to reduce it.
I disdagree on quite a few examples you bring here. Some villains are good especially since we know so little. Think about the wheeping angels, did they really gert better with the later episodes when we found out more ? Or where they even scarier when you only saw blink ?
The world of Sleep No More is very promising to explore, very Firefly-esque in how it’s a fusion of different cultures that has huge potential in worldbuilding. How traditions, practices and indeed geography would work in a literal merging of two cultures is a writer’s playground. Would languages intermingle or would people switch between in the same sentence the way characters in Firefly would use Mandarin to swear (which as a way to get swearing past the censors is like Dr Zalenka swearing in Czech in Stargate Atlantis)?
What about Clive and his family from Rose? What about L.I.N.D.A? What about Susan? What about Soldier #3? Doctor Who is a great show, but the clue is in the title. It's not about wrapping everything up in a nicely explained bow, with He Man appearing at the end to teach us the moral of the episode (ask someone older to explain that reference lol). The Doctor is just travelling, passing through, looking for fun, and the TARDIS keeps dragging him into the middle of situations that need his help. He stumbles in, he helps out, he generally gets captured (because that's the easiest way to sneak into the villain's lair) and when all hope seems to be lost, a clever thing happens, the Doctor wins, and then saunters off to his TARDIS without a goodbye, never mind a monologue to explain what happens to the characters in the years after the episode. The show isn't over, so crazy things can happen, like RTD bringing back villans from lost episodes from the 60s most living fans don't even remember. Some of the things in your list are from episodes that most fans wish they could have taken a couple of Retcons during the closing credits (like The ClusterFlux, for example). As you point out, anyone and everyone can get their own Big Finish spin off. I absolutely do not want a sequel to an episode to just be filling in the gaps of what was intentionally left up in the air and up to the audience to decide.
I always fought Gus was missy just messing with the doctor especially when she tells him that she went threw his time line so she could have phoned 11 in Series 5.
Still waiting for that Harmony Shaw sequel 😂 A storyline where aliens infiltrate UNIT would be awesome! You can see glimpses of this in Flux with The Grand Serpent manipulating UNIT from the inside in Flux, but a more extensive version of that'd be great! In my series plan (I'm sure all Whovians have one), I would love to see the storyline built to and alluded to for a few series before getting a kind of political thriller following UNIT characters where they learn they have been infiltrated, solving it without The Doctor. It'd be Doctor Who's Secret Invasion if you will. However, I also have long awaited The Valeyard's return! Looked into The Big Finish stuff, and it's great! But picking up an evil version of The Doctor in the show would be incredible! (Again, something I have big plans for in my series plan 😉) But c'mon Harbo, you forgot the most tantalizing forgotten storyline of them all: Did Elton and Ursula make it work? 😂
I'd love a mid-regeneration special about the Valeyard, where say ncuti gatwa regens into the Valeyard, we get a 2 part special and end the end becomes the next doctor. It could be a halloween and xmas or new years specials
I do think you might be a little harsh on Flux mainly because they couldnt make as many episodes during the period it was suppose to be filmed and that the episodes were cut down. Perhaps there might have been answers with more episodes but its not completely Chibbnal's fault although he does have some blame here
He is not. He explicitly stated that he simply was the Doctor's shadow, his darker aspect and potential stuck "someplace between his twelfth and thirteen incarnation" manifested under unstable physical form by the Time Lords themselves from the Doctor's future in order to get rid of his Sixth incarnation. We've actually already seen one, if not TWO early form of The Valeyard onward in NuWho: officially the Dream Lord, who was implicitly inferred while a dialog between the Eleventh Doctor and his shadow persona that he ever "only knew someone in the entire Universe who hates [him] that much" so to speak HIMSELF-- or rathee the Valeyard who embodies Doctor's self-hatred as well. Non-officially, I also suspect that the Great Intelligence's inferring into the Doctor's timestream may have something to do with the retroactive inception of the Valeyard as well. After all, they choose both Sir Ian McKellen (who was previously approached in the 1990s to play the Eighth Doctor but refused, prior they change their mind in favor of a younger Doctor) as the main voice actor and Richard E. Grant (who previously played an alternate incarnation of the Tenth Doctor in 1999 BBC parody "Doctor Who: Curse of The Fatal D*ath" , an alternate Ninth Doctor in the cancelled animated show "Doctor Who: Shadow of the Shalka" and was once approached twice to incarnate the Eighth and Ninth Doctor by BBC, but again refused) .
@@mrmicrowaveable There already has implications of an alternate timeline where neither the Eighth nor the Ninth Doctor succeed to repent Timelord Victorious for his innumerable crimes that has been glimpsed in a comic book crossover of the Tenth, Eleventh and Twelfth Doctor fighting a paradox timeline begotten alternate Tweflth Doctor and it has been shown that eventually, Timelord Victorious get ass*ssinated during a coup d'Etat staged by some of his closest subjects.
Rex is the Torchwood equivalent of the Timeless Child arc. No one wants the writers to expand on it, better to just forget about it 😅. Rex becoming immortal made zero sense and totally contradicts the way Jack’s immortality works.
I liked rex and would be happy to see more of him or have any of those loose ends tried up. there are some others though like the state of the universe after flux. personally, I don't know if anyone will try tying up any of the loose ends of the chibnal era or just ignore it like a cat who's just done something embarrassing and is pretending it never happened.
the shakri was such a wasted idea, it's kinda upsetting that the whole episode is ruined by the actor essentially being a dick, if what I've heard is true. and actually it would've been much better had the tally been a part of flux instead of division. and I reckon that the grand serpent was gonna have a bigger role in the cut episode of flux, but as it stands now he's just unnecessary beyond his appearance in once upon time. also i strongly believe that the valeyard is lying about being a future doctor incarnation whether aware of it or not, due to matrix shenanigans. but the fact we don't know much more about the valeyard's origin is probably what drives the intrigue, so maybe the television series shouldn't show it.
Daniel Barton would have been better off being the one who helped make the Earth Built Daleks in the Christmas specials instead of Doctor Who's Trump parody.
It was supposed to be revealed that the name of the company was something with the acronym "GUS", implying this company was also responsible for the events of Mummy on the Orient Express. Honestly, that sounds kind of weaksauce so I'm glad they cut it.
For some reason, I always assume Gus was the Master. I don't know why and obviously it's very unlikely. Also Shoutout to the Weeping Angels Cliffhanger in Class.
At first I actually thought that maybe the reason UNIT was cancelled in s11 was because of Harmony Shoal. But no. It's never explained how UNIT went from being disbanded to having enough money to build a whole new HQ.
Most recently I believe it was Musk firing an employee for being disabled, then facing a potential $100m severance fee because of said employees contract
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Romana definitively needed her own sequel, not to get her own -secret husband- -fiancé- -boyfriend- best friend becoming an emotionless version of her for five years.
They better start rebooting this whole "Timeless Child" gallimaufry of dungaboo. The Child was a Djinn/Great Vampire all this time, The Other is mentioned again and the Fugitive Doctor is just a future incarnation of Doctor Donna - and _past_ incarnation of Doctor's Mother - who forgot along the way that she was Human because the Timelord/her own son's DNA screwed her original memory template, and somehow when the Doctor's DNA is into a female vessel (example: himself as Thirteenth Doctor or within a regenerated Donna) , some of the memories and abilities of the Timeless Child wake back.
Pretty nice way to _officially_ introduce a little more of Paradox Faction's lore into mainstream media.
I have a new TH-cam Series you could do, but if you do I’d Recommend you put a disclaimer saying “no hate to [insert episode here] this is an attempt at [insert video series name here]”
The Idea is that you attempt to ruin an episode that many people liked or loved, this could just be a joke attempt at ruining the loved episode by using logic that no one would care about.
I would love to see an attempt at ruining an episode such as blink
The series could be called
“Ruining the Rewarded” which is basically the opposite of Defending The Dispised
The Foretold was a one time thing because it was the spirit of a long dead soldier in the form of a mummy. They don't need to do anything else with it because when Peter Capaldi (I don't call him the Doctor in Season 8 because the overrated old coot didn't earn it until his anti-war speech in the latter half of Season 9) told it "we surrender" the Foretold interpreted that as the end of its mission, so it could rest in peace. With Season 8 being strongly focussed on the afterlife, it's fitting that the Foretold's spirit moved on, so there's no need for it to come back.
Edit: I got to the part where you talked about Gus instead. Honestly, I'd completely forgotten he was even in the episode. The Foretold was more than enough of a threat on its own, so there was no need for another villain.
I guarantee you're going to have ruined more than a few people's day with that sonic joke.
He certainly ruined *my* day…
@@_somerandomguyontheinternet_ you poor fool
Lucky/unlucky the internet has ruined me enough to know what vore is.
I’m glad you mention Daniel Barton! He sort of just runs away off screen, I think the time agency and the Shadow proclamation are good shouts.
I too always thought the time agency would be a very good one to explore. They could almost be like the show’s own version of the TVA with a ginormous headquarters based in the void or their very own dimension with someone leading them from the shadows who The Doctor could see as either a real ally or threat depending on how they keep all of time & history in order
in Torchwood S2E1, Jack's former partner at the time agency lets him know that it ended up shutting down, and there were only a few people left there. Now obviously, since it's a time-traveling organization in a show about a time-traveling man, this means essentially nothing if the writers ever did want to revisit it, but I don't think they do.
One thing I've been thinking of lately is that, IIRC, in the Fires of Pompeii, the Doctor mentions that the psychic potential of the Pompeiians is at the wrong point in time, suggesting that humanity does develop something to do with psionics at some point. I'd like to see that followed up on.
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@@pantslesswrock is not Jack
@@yospidey0078 Sure, if you have no media literacy and think something in a story must be explicitly stated to be true, and that we live in a universe where implications just… don’t exist
Romana definitively needed her own sequel, not to get her own -secret husband- -fiancé- -boyfriend- best friend becoming an emotionless version of her for five years.
New Adventures novel Blood Harvest, Big Finish for The Apocalypse Element, Neverland and Zagreus, then the Gallifrey series. BBC Audio did The Kairos Ring too.
@@jbcatz5 I mean, a televised sequel, of course.
If I remember correctly, Jamie Mathieson once said that the initial plan for Oxygen was for GUS' origins to be explained in part of the episode, towards the end. The initial plan had The Doctor intent on blowing up the station, with a worker named Kline attempting to pay them off to preserve it. As The Doctor recognized the voice as GUS, he blew up the station anyway. Off screen, Kline would have been fired, and his voice would have been reused for GUS.
Apparently, it was scrapped, as this would have all been after the Space Suits were dealt with, and thus, both Mathieson and Moffat felt it just didn't fit within the script. It's sad we never got the elaboration on GUS, but he wasn't entirely forgotten about.
The storyline I've always wanted to see addressed is the Doctor as Merlin. Basically, the classic Seventh Doctor serial Battlefield suggested that a future Doctor was Merlin.
To the best of my knowledge, Big Finish has never picked up this thread, but if I remember correctly, the Virgin New Adventures novels did.
Yep, they love that arc
And yeah I agree that it’d be cool to see the show touch on that eventually
Near as I can tell one of the comics addressed it to the extent of leaving a hint that Merlin might have been the Doctor from another universe/dimension. Sorta like how the White Guardian was supposed to be the Doctor's ultimate form after the Valeyard. But I loved the running gage of the fact that the doctor wanted to be ginger and to date none of them have been redheads.
@@bekenotsalony2905 huh, I've never heard that about the White Guardian. I'll have to look into that.
I've actually always wanted to know what happened to the Guardians after the Time War - I really want them to at least get referenced in New Who.
@@ashleytuchin7693 theoretically they're still in their dimension just playing with new toys.
Virgin new adventures did delve into it, though if I remember correctly it's a bit of a iffy explanation
It's such a shame that the spin off class never got a second season. Finale ended with 3 plot twists that will now never get upon.
There was April having the body of Corakinus, Quill was now pregnant and at the very end it was revealed that The Governors had teamed up with the weeping angles. I'm still somewhat hoping we'll get to see the weeping angel plotline show up in a future doctor who episode.
It was awful and dull. A vehicle for showing bad acting from drama students 😊
@@paulashe61 arent you just a ray of sunshine
Ohgod, I nearly chocked at that sonic joke, I wasn't expecting that.
Hopefully the upcoming UNIT show, the one with Jemma Hargrave, may delve into some of this. A political thriller with Harmony Shoal would be very interesting.
I can imagine the soldier being allocated to the black archive, forgetting they were with Harmony Shoal and coming out as if nothing happened.
There's probably some semblance of the original person for no one to suspect them, not even anyone close.
agreed
Shoal has a lot of potential
They’re my favourite New Who Villains
This one isn't really a loose end, but I had an idea for a Boom Town sequel story about what happened to Blon after she was reborn as an egg. She grows up under a new identity, raised by a different family, and becomes an agent of the Shadow Proclaimation, eventually learning about her previous life and has to come to terms with the things she did. The reveal would kind of be like how Yana discovered he's The Master, except she rejects her past instead of embracing it.
Presumably if Jenny comes back it would be with Gatwa rather than a surprise Tenant appearance, so would be a different chemistry between the two
I actually appreciate when tv shows/movies leave some threads up to your imagination... Not that DW actually meant to do that for any of these, but it also tees up writers to come back to these whenever they're inspired to
Hm.
My roommate and I both watch your videos, and this one prompted him to send some Very Interesting Images Of Sonic to me. I feel like I'm entitled to financial compensation
A Chibnall character who is set up to be the big baddy of the episode before being hijacked by the Master?! Who'd have thunk it?!
I mean, that was kind of the first time it happened, so...
One of the rules for the writers of Virgin novels was not using the Valeyard because the editors didn’t want to touch the character. The Sixth Doctor Missing Adventure Millenial Rites does have the local space time warped enough that the Doctor deals with a corruption of his personality (Anne Travers trying to summon the Great Intelligence had unexpected side effects, that does actually happen), but iirc the book never goes as far as to namecheck the Brickyard himself.
In the words of GoT, the showrunners 'just kinda forgot'.
Lmao.
That sonice joke killed me !
Well I think Clara's Impossible Girl might have "solved" the Valeyard. Because if you look at what Matt Smith's doctor was working on while he was parked in the cloud above London in Madam Vastra's period, a lot of us believe that was the black scrolls he was inventing, which would have eventually lead him to create the Valeyard persona. But ecause Clara came into his life and became apart of his timelines instead of regenerating into the Valeyard, he became Capaldi's doctor. But till they reveral more, we'll be left to wonder.
But I can imagine it's complicated because of the way copy right laws work over there.
Hency why we'll never see the Rani back. Because who ever wrote the character for the first time in the scripts, OWNS that character in Who media. And
in the case of the Rani, it was split betweeen two creators, who have both passed, and no one knows who actually holds the copy right on the Rani now, because the bbc has a contact line for sending the royalty checks to this person who does the middle man work for who ever owns the Rani, but with out premission from the Rani's mysterious owner, no one can use the character. The Valeyard was created by John Nathan-Turner, but since he died in 2002, I have no idea who he would have left the copy right to.
It's why a lot of classic who villains can't be used to tie up their stories because they just can't get the rights to use them anymore.
I love Harbo's eyebrows
I'm going to assume this was written before the UNIT show was announced as that would be a perfect place to continue the Harmony Shoal story
Can't wait!
Alien infiltration story’s are usually my favourite Type of story IF Set on Earth
I thought you were going to mention the Great Catastrophe mentioned in Sleep No More, another loose ends I'd like to see tied up however I'd say it's meant to be this ominous, unseen thing
Really great list. That said, the one that frustrates me the most which wasn't on this list was how the first couple of episodes of series eleven set up the Stenza as a major threat who are conquering planets and rendering them lifeless, then they just never show up again despite being set up to be Thirteen's big bads.
Literally someone send this video to RTD. If anyone can write interesting and compelling stories with these characters and stuff then it's Russell plus we know he's great at world building and like fleshing out characters and settings.
Lol.
What about Robert Holmes.
@@TPH250290 you literally just answered your own question. They are currently half baked. If we gave these charactets to RTD eho is good at developing characters and stuff and like world buidling he can flesh them out more and give them development.
@@mayotango1317 Robert Holmes isn't show runner.
@@lucypreece7581 But a big influence.
I would love the harmony shoal to return, it would have been perfect for flux with them being the ones infiltrating unit rather than the grand serpent.
The Unit Spinoff show with Jemma Redgrave that is rumoured would be the perfect opportunity to pay off/continue the Harmony Shoal infiltration of Unit storyline as a perfect background narrative running alongside the day to day "monster of the week" type stuff im sure we'd get.
I did not expect a day today joke" it's bigger than that Chris it's large"
They better start rebooting this whole "Timeless Child" gallimaufry of dungaboo. The Child was a Djinn/Great Vampire all this time, The Other is mentioned again and the Fugitive Doctor is just a future incarnation of Doctor Donna - and _past_ incarnation of Doctor's Mother - who forgot along the way that she was Human because the Timelord/her own son's DNA screwed her original memory template, and somehow when the Doctor's DNA is into a female vessel (example: himself as Thirteenth Doctor or within a regenerated Donna) , some of the memories and abilities of the Timeless Child wake back.
Pretty nice way to _officially_ introduce a little more of Paradox Faction's lore into mainstream media.
Idk why i chuckled at "it's large" but it was enough for a like
I'm sure some expanded universe stories are going to resolute every single one of the forgotten storylines.
6:39 / 14:46 hmmmm I always thought gus was just one of missy plans since she was doing a lot of behide the sences stuff in series 8 and it would force the doctor to be more like them ruthless letting people die to solve the problem
A forgotten storyline is the years erased from Captain Jack's memory by the Time Agency.
I really enjoyed the harmony shoal episodes so I hope they come back
That Sonic Vore reference is incredibly underrated
The Grand Serpent is deffo someone who needs to be revisited. I feel he possibly could be since he had interactions with Kate Stewart and we know that she is gonna be back in Ncuti's era along with another new character played by Aneurin Bernard. I like to think The Grand Serpent is the Corsair. The Time Lord that The Doctor mentions in The Doctor's Wife episode who always has the snake tattoo. It will explain the name change and the snake theme and stuff. I dunno maybe Corsair is bitter at The Doctor for abandoning the Time Lord's or something. Certainly a lot of stories you can mine from him.
I don't think so.
I honestly thought the grand serpent was being set up for future series. I was so baffled that they introduced and wrapped him up at the tail end of the flux story.
Pocketwatch Corsair, maybe?
Also, aren’t we getting a UNIT spinoff following Kate Stewart? We could get the Grand Serpent back for at least a cameo, if not a season-long villain.
I’m down with them as a villain during the UNIT spin-off
I personally think Daniel Barton was meant to come back later, but Chibnall thought he’d have more than 3 seasons as showrunner.
You never know. The dangling thread the end of Terror of the Zygons took about 35 years to resolve but they did it 😅
Who was that voice yelling "silence will fall" at the end of Pandorica opens since it clearly wasn't a silence
For some reason I remembered Gus as The Great Intelligence before I rewatched the episode and honestly I think it would have still worked if it was the GI instead of Gus.
I always wanted to know what happened between Queen Elizabeth and the Doctor prior to (as she perceived it) the battle with the Carrionettes at the Globe Theater back in the Tennant era.
Can't wait to bring back the Shakri in my fan film and then abandon them entirely.
I love the series 4 episode Midnight! The whole premise of the episode is just so clever and completely terrifying! Being trapped in a space shuttle with a group of strangers who all turn on each other when one of them becomes possessed by an unknown alien entity who starts repeating everything that everyone says! David Tennant's acting in this episode was incredible! I also think it would be really cool to have a follow up episode explaining what the unknown entity actually was, and what was really lurking on the surface of the planet Midnight! 😊😊
I think an explanation would defeat the point of the episode tbh. The Midnight monster works so well precisely because we don't know what it is. To explain it would be to reduce it.
@@thee2724 That's a fair point actually, some things are better left unknown 😊😊
The Harmony Shoal storyline could be revisited in the U.N.I.T spinoff...
That would be pretty cool!
i looked up sonic vore and its real all the info really eats up alot of time though...
Daniel Barton could be a good way to introduce Cybermen to the main universe properly, but then again it might feel too similar to Lumic
The Cybermen exist in the main universe before New Who.
@@mayotango1317 i know, i meant reintroduce
The first three I just went "It's Chibnall, he can't resolve a dangling plot point if his life depended on it"
Looks like Harmony Shoal will be part of October's Classic Doctors New Monsters 4.
I can imagine how awesome the scenes between Lenny Henry and Ncuti Gatwa would be, and desperately want to see them.
10:38 You say that, but this is the first time I've ever heard of it.
I'm glad you mention the sonic vore crossover, would've been very upset if it wasn't mentioned
Harmony shoal may appear in classic doctors new monsters volume 4
I disdagree on quite a few examples you bring here. Some villains are good especially since we know so little. Think about the wheeping angels, did they really gert better with the later episodes when we found out more ? Or where they even scarier when you only saw blink ?
The world of Sleep No More is very promising to explore, very Firefly-esque in how it’s a fusion of different cultures that has huge potential in worldbuilding. How traditions, practices and indeed geography would work in a literal merging of two cultures is a writer’s playground. Would languages intermingle or would people switch between in the same sentence the way characters in Firefly would use Mandarin to swear (which as a way to get swearing past the censors is like Dr Zalenka swearing in Czech in Stargate Atlantis)?
What about Clive and his family from Rose? What about L.I.N.D.A? What about Susan? What about Soldier #3? Doctor Who is a great show, but the clue is in the title. It's not about wrapping everything up in a nicely explained bow, with He Man appearing at the end to teach us the moral of the episode (ask someone older to explain that reference lol). The Doctor is just travelling, passing through, looking for fun, and the TARDIS keeps dragging him into the middle of situations that need his help. He stumbles in, he helps out, he generally gets captured (because that's the easiest way to sneak into the villain's lair) and when all hope seems to be lost, a clever thing happens, the Doctor wins, and then saunters off to his TARDIS without a goodbye, never mind a monologue to explain what happens to the characters in the years after the episode.
The show isn't over, so crazy things can happen, like RTD bringing back villans from lost episodes from the 60s most living fans don't even remember. Some of the things in your list are from episodes that most fans wish they could have taken a couple of Retcons during the closing credits (like The ClusterFlux, for example). As you point out, anyone and everyone can get their own Big Finish spin off. I absolutely do not want a sequel to an episode to just be filling in the gaps of what was intentionally left up in the air and up to the audience to decide.
What was that about gus calling the doctor in series 5, can someone explain?
The Valeyard thread was picked up twice, "Amy's Choice" and "Night OTD"
It's a slow-boil!😂😂😂
I always fought Gus was missy just messing with the doctor especially when she tells him that she went threw his time line so she could have phoned 11 in Series 5.
Honestly wish they had the Cybermen in Dark Water replaced with a version of the undead weapons
let's hope the timeless child gets added to this list
Still waiting for that Harmony Shaw sequel 😂 A storyline where aliens infiltrate UNIT would be awesome! You can see glimpses of this in Flux with The Grand Serpent manipulating UNIT from the inside in Flux, but a more extensive version of that'd be great! In my series plan (I'm sure all Whovians have one), I would love to see the storyline built to and alluded to for a few series before getting a kind of political thriller following UNIT characters where they learn they have been infiltrated, solving it without The Doctor. It'd be Doctor Who's Secret Invasion if you will.
However, I also have long awaited The Valeyard's return! Looked into The Big Finish stuff, and it's great! But picking up an evil version of The Doctor in the show would be incredible! (Again, something I have big plans for in my series plan 😉)
But c'mon Harbo, you forgot the most tantalizing forgotten storyline of them all: Did Elton and Ursula make it work? 😂
The Scorpion could be from Harmony Shoal
If the UNIT spin-off rumours are true, then the Grand Serpent could return for that show. He could be the Grant Ward of the UNIT series.
Sleep No More not getting a sequel is one of the biggest missed opportunities of Series 10.
The Shakri need to be brought back. Lets ignore, forget, retcon the whole Chibnob disaster.
I choose to replace everything after Capaldi's regeneration with my content.
I'd love a mid-regeneration special about the Valeyard, where say ncuti gatwa regens into the Valeyard, we get a 2 part special and end the end becomes the next doctor.
It could be a halloween and xmas or new years specials
Surprised the “Cartnell master plan” wasn’t in this video Ngl 😂
the sonic joke-
I do think you might be a little harsh on Flux mainly because they couldnt make as many episodes during the period it was suppose to be filmed and that the episodes were cut down. Perhaps there might have been answers with more episodes but its not completely Chibbnal's fault although he does have some blame here
I still think the valyard is an alternative dimension time lord victorious
He is not. He explicitly stated that he simply was the Doctor's shadow, his darker aspect and potential stuck "someplace between his twelfth and thirteen incarnation" manifested under unstable physical form by the Time Lords themselves from the Doctor's future in order to get rid of his Sixth incarnation.
We've actually already seen one, if not TWO early form of The Valeyard onward in NuWho: officially the Dream Lord, who was implicitly inferred while a dialog between the Eleventh Doctor and his shadow persona that he ever "only knew someone in the entire Universe who hates [him] that much" so to speak HIMSELF-- or rathee the Valeyard who embodies Doctor's self-hatred as well.
Non-officially, I also suspect that the Great Intelligence's inferring into the Doctor's timestream may have something to do with the retroactive inception of the Valeyard as well. After all, they choose both Sir Ian McKellen (who was previously approached in the 1990s to play the Eighth Doctor but refused, prior they change their mind in favor of a younger Doctor) as the main voice actor and Richard E. Grant (who previously played an alternate incarnation of the Tenth Doctor in 1999 BBC parody "Doctor Who: Curse of The Fatal D*ath" , an alternate Ninth Doctor in the cancelled animated show "Doctor Who: Shadow of the Shalka" and was once approached twice to incarnate the Eighth and Ninth Doctor by BBC, but again refused) .
@Ptolémée Sélénion ok I still think an alternative universe that the timelord victorious never left and isn't that possibly seeded in the main show
@@mrmicrowaveable There already has implications of an alternate timeline where neither the Eighth nor the Ninth Doctor succeed to repent Timelord Victorious for his innumerable crimes that has been glimpsed in a comic book crossover of the Tenth, Eleventh and Twelfth Doctor fighting a paradox timeline begotten alternate Tweflth Doctor and it has been shown that eventually, Timelord Victorious get ass*ssinated during a coup d'Etat staged by some of his closest subjects.
Rex is the Torchwood equivalent of the Timeless Child arc. No one wants the writers to expand on it, better to just forget about it 😅. Rex becoming immortal made zero sense and totally contradicts the way Jack’s immortality works.
I thought Barton was a commentary on Zuchberger.
sleep no More could be revisited in 15 s last season or maybe ,the alternative Is the 23rd doctor or 25 in regeneration
1:36 you little bastard, this is why i love this channel
I liked rex and would be happy to see more of him or have any of those loose ends tried up. there are some others though like the state of the universe after flux. personally, I don't know if anyone will try tying up any of the loose ends of the chibnal era or just ignore it like a cat who's just done something embarrassing and is pretending it never happened.
Harbo Wholmes Try Not To Trigger Susan Fans Challenge Level Impossible
Honestly, I'm glad they dropped these plot threads. I never liked them when they were introduced.
The Great Serpent? Wasn't he in Harry Potter 2?
I really liked Sleep No More
good The Day Today reference
1:41 - you're a monster.
the shakri was such a wasted idea, it's kinda upsetting that the whole episode is ruined by the actor essentially being a dick, if what I've heard is true. and actually it would've been much better had the tally been a part of flux instead of division. and I reckon that the grand serpent was gonna have a bigger role in the cut episode of flux, but as it stands now he's just unnecessary beyond his appearance in once upon time.
also i strongly believe that the valeyard is lying about being a future doctor incarnation whether aware of it or not, due to matrix shenanigans. but the fact we don't know much more about the valeyard's origin is probably what drives the intrigue, so maybe the television series shouldn't show it.
People Harbo Wholmes face is fine, why are you complaing. Most importent part are his thouges and they are still im video
I think with the foretold it could be disected as you can darker that it isn't experimental but genocidal...:/
1:38 NO.
THIS ISN'T EVEN AN APRIL FOOLS VIDEO😡🤮
Never saw it for some reason...(sleep no more)
There should be way more Chibnall stuff here than Moffat.
do chibnall story lines rlly count though
Daniel Barton would have been better off being the one who helped make the Earth Built Daleks in the Christmas specials instead of Doctor Who's Trump parody.
Gus makes a return in Oxygen I think?
It was supposed to be revealed that the name of the company was something with the acronym "GUS", implying this company was also responsible for the events of Mummy on the Orient Express. Honestly, that sounds kind of weaksauce so I'm glad they cut it.
Gus was ament to return in oxygen
the first 3 were written by Chibnall, he has never resolved anything he ever wrote...
I actually like the Sandman episode sleep no more
Hear me out what if Niel Patrick Harris is Jenny?
Like a future incarnation
For some reason, I always assume Gus was the Master. I don't know why and obviously it's very unlikely.
Also Shoutout to the Weeping Angels Cliffhanger in Class.
No.
@@ptolemeeselenion1542 No yourself
@@rhodrage Nope.
@@ptolemeeselenion1542 Nope
@@rhodrage NOPE.
“Selfcest”
New word, people…..selfcest also mean going back in time to have sex with your self
A bit like the New to be forgotten Doom platform shyte
At first I actually thought that maybe the reason UNIT was cancelled in s11 was because of Harmony Shoal. But no. It's never explained how UNIT went from being disbanded to having enough money to build a whole new HQ.
This is my problem with the show, there's no point watching it when barely any plots are concluded.
Elon musk is villainising himself on a daily basis? I haven’t heard about this. What’s happened?
Most recently I believe it was Musk firing an employee for being disabled, then facing a potential $100m severance fee because of said employees contract
Hand to god I thought Gus was just a persona Missy was using.
No.
Can you explain how Elon Musk is trying to ‘villainise’ himself everyday?
Harbo Homles is a massive SJW and the one thing Woke people hate is “Rich white men” so that’s probably why he said that