NASA Needs SpaceX To Destroy ISS, Space Suit Maker Gives Up - Deep Space Updates June 28th
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- Deep space updates for June 28th:
China Returns From Far Side of Moon
Firefly reveal new launch sites.
SpaceX slaps its booster.
Dreamchaser will have to wait until 2025.
ISS destruction duty to SpaceX
Collins Aerospace gets out of the space suit business.
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Please don't think all Europeans agree with what ESA is stating. Not investing in reusability has been an obvious mistake for many years now and whoever is in charge of continuing that train of thought is an absolute turd.
That would be the head of ESA Space Transportation, unfortunately.
It is a very European style political move though. They don't like troublemakers or disruptors.
Who will pay for reusability? In the US Starlink investors are paying for reusability, in China - government(I won't be surprised if they will copypaste Starlink network just like anything else) . Europe doesn't need a vehicle with reusability option simply because there is nothing to launch so often.
@@Immanatummaybe europeans would have more stuff to launch if it was actually affordable. How many universities, private industry, smaller government payloads would benefit from an affordable ticket on a rocket?
If every launch costs 150 million euros then the only satellites that ever get launched will be massive hundred million euro endeavors.
And the Unions (just like ULA) would go on strike if they couldn't build a multi-million dollar tube of disposable aluminum for the rest of time. Starlink is NOT paying for re-usability, but benefiting by it. Starlink users ARE paying for StarShip development.
I hope SpaceX calls the ISS deorbit vehicle "Untitled Space Craft".
idk why I'm thinking this way
I would sighn that petition
I hope they will fit camera's to both the deorbit vehicle and the space station itself and broadcast the reentry of the station live on internet !
This is going to be so much more cool even than just 1 melting flap.
@@arjensmit6684 yep, we are going full kerbal there
@@arjensmit6684 like in /r/kspmemes the tom hanks post
For future reference: if you are witnessing a rocket trailing a red/orange cloud crashing to Earth, don't stop running away.
afaik if you have smelled UDMH, you dead already
I don't know. If it's not falling directly on your head, might be useful to measure wind direction first.
@@PetrPss yes you may want to confirm if you are "running down the train tracks" to escape the train.
I went to china, and all i got was chewed up by escalators, ate poison food, and then a rocket fell onto my house made of fake crumbling concrete. But at least nothing bad happened at tiananmen square.
GAS GAS GAS
The “Father” of Chinese Rocketry was US educated, and as an ally during WWII, he helped to analyze the V2.
He was deported back to China due to communist fears, and someone notable said that his deportation was a stupid move.
Yup, Asianometry videos rule
Isn't he also the very ironic reason for ITAR?
"You know that guy that knows more about rockets and missiles and supersonic aerodynamics than *literally* any other person on the planet?"
"Yeah."
"Yeah, let's fuck with that guy's life and livelihood and then deliver him directly into the hands of our sworn enemy."
"Brilliant!"
China & Russia was an ally to US during WWII but betrayed due to communist fear. Also, V2 is German made rocket.
Enemy of an enemy. Not an Ally.
Japan attacked Perl Harbor because the US press was beginning to publicize the Japanese mistreatment of Chinese. The US was beginning to support China due to their misfortune. Unfortunately, after the War with Japan. There was a vacuum of power which dozens of warlords attempted to fight for. The most friendly to the US was Chaing Kai-Shek who had proven himself in WWII against Japan and have a very favorable opinion of the US.
Unfortunately, Communist ideology swept through China, fueled by the USSR. Chinese wanted a radical change, and they got just that when they fought to promote Mao into power.
Man, I’m so sick of the, “astronauts are stranded in space with only 45 days to be rescued,” headlines. Then I try to tell people that they aren’t stuck that they can take Dragon or Soyuz to get home if the other can’t do it. I got to be honest, I’d be nervous getting back into that thing with the problems it has had, but they aren’t stranded up there.
Can the Boeing Starliner pressure suits plug into the Space X lifesupport system ? Are they easily compatible with standardized connections ?
@@craigriddell1169 Not at all
Right, no big deal.
Heck, not to long ago Frank Rubio actually moved his Soyuz seat into Dragon Crew-5 when MS-22 had that coolant leak.
The Russians still would have rode MS-22 in an emergency, but Frank would have returned in Dragon as a 5th passenger in an emergency.
If something was actually wrong the Boeing crew would shelter in Dragon.
@@craigriddell1169 if this were truly an emergency, I don’t think they would be so worried about the suits. Also I would hope we learned our lesson on that after Apollo 13.
I honestly don't follow the ins-and-outs of the ISS that closely, but I do recall hearing that there's always (generally?) a Soyuz-TMA capsule docked as a lifeboat, which was increased to two capsules when the standard occupancy was doubled to 6 persons. The tl;dr: being that everyone has 1.5 to 2.0 seats available to them (on average) to ride home in an emergency. I don't understand why there is such drama over the leak, other than "hur hur Boeing".
I'm 38 years old and watching those rockets land like that still makes me feel like a starstruck kid, every single time.
I'm twice your age and... Exact same reaction!
I hope once SpaceX attaches the deorbiter they turn around to NASA and say
"Jokes in you this is a orbit booster"
and then instead of getting paid for the job they can be sued for messing it up
@@tetsujin_144the memelord likes lawsuits, so that would fit him perfectly.
So basically For All Mankind Season 4
They could claim salvage???
Dont ask for permission ask for forgiveness
I wish there was a designated museum orbit for historically important space artefacts like the ISS.
Do you understand how BIG that thing is? The ISS was sent up in sections in the space shuttle cargo area. Then, the solar arays add width to it by hundreds, maybe even thousands of feet to the sides of the modules. It was never meant to return to earth.
@@Goldengirl48 I think they mean a dedicated orbit where it stays forever so people could visit it many years from now. I don't think it's possible, but a cool thought.
@@Goldengirl48 Why would you think I was suggesting it be returned to earth?
The issue isn't a lack of place to put it --- the issue is a lack of ability to put it anyplace more stable than it is. A "museum orbit" would need to be far higher than ISS has ever been, and take far more resources than deorbiting it.
And then it's still a huge complex machine that needs to be maintained so it doesn't break down (like batteries exploding, coolant circuits breaching, etc) and send debris out.
@@Goldengirl48 They're talking about moving it to a different orbit.
Deorbiting the ISS reminds me of the "peace crimes" that were the scrapping of USS Enterprise (CV-6) and HMS Warspite instead of keeping them as museum ships.
(So, I'm definitely a fan of OP's idea of having a specific museum orbit)
@16:07 Cool to see the shadow of the Space Shuttle passing over the ISS, nice clip choice Scott!
“Scott Manley: astronomer, hacker, gamer, and DJ.”
Sounds like a gravestone someone might uncover on the Moon in a few thousand years time…
"Space Jam DJ"
And a pilot.
Russian satellite breakups giving me Gravity flashbacks:
It's ok, we can use our backpack thrusters to get to the Chinese space station!
That movie was trash.
@@guillermoelnino bruh how
@@judet2992 i'm not saying it wasn't entertaining. But it was trash. BRUH.
@@guillermoelnino how so? Definitely heart pounding, and I know all about the inaccuracies. The stations being that close would be hilarious even in KSP with how small Kerbin is, let alone compared to the sheer massiveness of Earth.
Getting fully ready to leave the ISS must take many hours to do. Ouch
It should be pretty quick, they don't have much to pack or many choices of what to wear 🙂
Yeah not really, it's all going to burn up, well like 95% will burn up. The other 5% will crash in the ocean and give rise to Godzilla 🤞
@@EJ_WA
It is supposed to land in the U.S. If it mostly achieves that target and crashes in the U.S. desert it should not create Godzilla but the Giant Gila Monster.
@@EJ_WA the amount that will "burn up" is greatly exaggerated, it will break into many pieces but most of the wreckage will reach splashdown
donning the suits in freefall is slow, some onboard systems must be thawed from a sleep mode that may or may not work at the first try (Soyuz looking at you), and all checks to make sure that nothing got broken while in orbit also take time.
Sadly, International Rescue and Thunderbirds 3 and 5 can't fetch the people out of the ISS...
Quick! Someone call Matt Lowne!
@@patrikhjorth3291 KSP forever!
IR could stage the rescue, but there would be strings attached...
@@johnbuchman4854 🤣🤣🤣 Shucks! Not even Captain Scarlet could untie THOSE knots!
Brains will think of something 🙂
It’s funny how you say the taxpayer is making any decisions about anything to do with this. When was the last time we were asked about any of nasa’s decisions???
The Chinese dumping toxic boosters on unsuspecting villagers is *really* not a good look. What happened to the notion of 'the collective good'?
Welcome to Authoritarian regimes.
Welcome to socialism. Where the means of production belong to the community, AKA you belong to the community, AKA you belong to the government. And you are replaceable.
'The collective good' ? Wrong planet, mate.
They should learn from us and dump their toxic rocket waste in the ocean.
The village was evacuated before the launch, they always are. If you don't like them having their spaceports inland, then the US can stop sailing carriers off their coasts
Had RocketLab launched this they could have called the mission: Goes Crew Yourself
Sensational headlines aside, Starliner’s problems do beg the question as to whether this flight was/is sufficient to certify it as “operational”.
The Bennu news and images were amazing.
As a Swede, I am super excited to maybe finally see an orbital rocket launch from Esrange!
6:46 To be fair, if a Dragon fails, SpaceX can send another Dragon even from another human-rated launch pad, on a rescue mission.
Not sure NASA would be too comfortable with sending up a spacecraft which just had a critical failure to rescue the astronauts
Not all failures are design failures. So if one Dragon has a leak, it can be some worn valve that has nothing to do with another capsule.
@@kneekoo sure, but the nature of the failure and the cause thereof would need to be investigated before they would be comfortable with sending up another one, which takes time.
@@thomaspinklington7699 There's a number of failures that are obvious and can even be fixed on the pad. Starliner flew to the ISS with a known issue, not everything halts the mission for a long time.
I love the Kerbal looking out the window of the rocket in the intro.
I wouldn't be too cocky about that as SpaceX has boosters that have flown nearly 50% of their total launches 😂
Not to mention that SpaceX was blazing a new path with civilian orbital launches using a 70 meter tall rocket capable of 13 tons to orbit… while RocketLab is messing around with an 18 meter tall rocket, capable of bringing about 0.33 tons to orbit. Excuse me if I don’t seem enthusiastic about RL reaching 50 launches a few months faster than SpaceX. 😂
I hope the ISS de-orbit vehicle will have Starlink stations onboard and lots of cameras to capture the burn-up and disintegration of the ISS.
They should also have 3 or 4 hardened mini-sats with their own Starlink units and cameras and maneuvering flaps/thrusters to stay in formation with the disintegrating ISS all the way down, but a half-kilometer to the side of it. This would give videos from within the ISS, from docked to it and from outside of it as it breaks up and burns and impacts the ocean. A very, very rare chance to get all this video of such a large craft reentering.
3 starships? it would be cool.
it’s still so mind blowing that these rockets go up… and come back down and just land standing straight up again almost like they’re saying “yup put some more fuel in me and i’m ready to go!!”
I love that starlink launches are now boring. That itself is so impressive for space travel.
I love that Starlink is viable realistic satellite internet. I switched from landline based ISP with terrible reliability and speed throttling issues to having Starlink which is not only fast but also so much more reliable and is constantly getting better with more and more launches.
Wouldn’t surprise me in a few years when Elon announces a Starlink phone. Take everyone away from cellphones entirely.
Kudos to Rocket Labs!
Isn't it wonderful to call SpaceX launches boring... that's how good they've become. Nicely done!
The Australian outback would be preferable over the Pacific for souvenirs.
I second this!
Thanks Scott. I've been ignoring all the click bait about Starliner, knowing you would give us the real story.
I feel like the ISS should be kept as a museum of sorts.
Sad about the ISS 😢
16:40 "That should be in a museum!"
The far side has a huge city located on it with tall buildings 😮😮😮
The International Space Station was not brought up in one piece. It should not come down in one piece. What makes perfect sense is a Space Garage Sale. Divide it, and recycle it into new projects and save a bundle of booster fuel. You should consider keeping your own plane at a desert airfield, which is quite distinct from renting. It's not even expensive.
you have to go to space with the understanding that “i may never be able to be rescued so let’s make sure we get this right”
9:04 the f...? Isn't it obvious? A deeper sample might be rather interesting thought.
The stuff from the far side of the moon isn't stuff from the far side anymore, now it is this side. :)
The Chinese launch site Chi-Chang always drops a booster into that area. There are something like 34-villages that have to duck and pray. At least one person (14-year old girl) did not survive one. Her father got paid something on the order of the US equivalent of $247.00
That bloody 'we have many people' attitude. Good grief.
The 1996 incident is also horrifying
Do you have a source for that story about the girl.
@@modonohue9980 yes, of course. Almost all of the channels that report the news out of China here on TH-cam have it a simple search to locate them. I would give you the exact channel that I watched but they have already had several of their reporters accosted, beaten and jailed. The report, including video footage of both the booster in the father’s yard and the interview (translated) were included. It was even covered by Radio Free Asia. They are definitely worth the search. Not just for this incident but to get an idea of just how bad the population there has it, how disgruntled and disenfranchised they have become with the CCP but especially their Premier. They also have no love for the people their own age who support the CCP and call them “Little Pinks”.
@@modonohue9980 Believe it or not, my first reply which did not specifically name the source was deleted/blocked.
WOOOW, so Benu came from a planet full of forests, that is so cool! (I'm kidding of course, but I'm excited to learn about the found materials)
I really wish they would dismantle the ISS and turn it into a museum. Charge for entrance so they get money for more space flight stuff
2:20 those people should really invest in some CBRN PPE, and keep it close at all times 😮
Every launch bust through The OZONE,AND WE WROOY ABOUT A DOWS FART😂😂😂😂😂😂
just how is it that this is the only old tech from 60 years ago we can't recreate cheaper, more efficiently whilst costing less and being better for the environment?
Shouldn't a space station with no crew be the same as finding an abandoned ship on the high seas?
"We can't put it up into higher orbit because of the danger of debris and nobody wanted to pay for maintenance"
What about just putting it up there because literally every kg of stuff cost a pile of $, and likely would be of SOME use to SOMEONE SOMETIME in the future as raw materials for SOMETHING?
I don't think anyone was seriously talking about taking it and using it at a higher orbit, but just mothballing (junkyarding) it. The point is that at L4 or whatever, it can just sit, it doesn't cost anyone anything at that point.
Scott. Your channel is my one stop shopping for space news ! Thanks !
I've heard a lot of people say that the ISS should be put in orbit around the moon. I don't think these people have run the numbers on what that would involve.
Scott, thanks for excellent summary of the world's space efforts.
Saving the ISS will result in The City of a Thousand Planets (Valerian) 😉
A suitably mad suggestion is that SpaceX should use a fully fueled Starship to push the ISS out into a heliocentric orbit. There it won't be causing us any trouble and future space archaeologists can go visit it in future centuries. A fully fueled Starship has the delta-v capability, but then it's a question of where on the ISS they can push that hard without damaging it and the solar panels breaking off...
If they really want to scrap it at the very least sell it to a private entity, it can stay up there and still be useful.
There are actually three potential launch sites in Europe, the third one besides sweden and scotland is on Andøya, Norway, which also has been doing sounding rockets for decades. First test launch of a small orbital rocket from Isar aerospace is planned this year, or early next year.
love you mr manley
Hopefully they will realize the tourism value of leaving the space station up there once it's decommissioned. The space tourists would love to do a flyby. Or park a space resort next to it so the view from the space lounge is of the old space station against the backdrop of the planet.
I would imagine the deorbit vehicle could also be used to keep the damn thing up there, wherever they want to put it.
Collins Aerospace and ILC Dover are two separate companies. ILC Dover has been making the suits (minus the PLSS) since the Apollo program. Collins has been making the PLSS (they have gone by a lot pf names since making the original PLSS). For the xEVAS contract, Collins is listed as the prime, whereas Oceaneering and ILC Dover are listed as partners to create a fully functioning suit (ILC Dover = the suit, Collins = PLSS, Oceaneering = ancillary parts).
I hope hurricane Beryl doesn't cause problems for Starbase at Boca Chica.
Bravo for ESA for not going with the flow. Just because it looks cool doesn’t mean it’s actually cheaper.
It is a bit sad that the ISS has outlived its useful life. They started building it when I was very young, so it has "always" been up there above my head and on a sunny day in the evening it has been possible to see it with the naked eye.
Gosh, I remember when GOES-R was just in its study phase….
Hm.. perhaps we can expect some awesome reentry footage of the station then, considering the last Starship flight etc..
the weird beating of chest by rocketlabs is very strange. If it wasn't for spaceX pushing for commercialization and making it a reality they wouldn't even be here. I think people seem to forget that the idea of reusability was literally laughed out of the room when it was first introduced.
18:59 Congrats on being officially recognized as a "youtube celebrity" LOL
2030 for ISS,... By then there should be the option of bundling multiple sections in to several Starships and bringing ISS home.
That’s pretty impressive for the Chinese space program, thanks for the interesting update!
So Starliner isn’t very reusable?! The service module with RCS etc is lost with each flight. Unlike Dragon’s trunk which is just structure and solar panels.
I hope they mount some SpaceX grade cameras and Starlink dishes, so we can watch the ISS on it's swan dive.
15:51
‘…not so safe for the international space station…’😂
Probably late to the party but have you seen the video of the F-22s that “chased” the latest starship flight?
I am no space expert for starters.
Question; Why not slowly over the course of its last six months accelerate the ISS to fling off into deep space instead dropping whats left of it into our oceans? I would think over the years we have dropped enough garbage in there already.
Would most of it be melted and in small pieces by the time it hits the ocean ?
Hear me out. How about having the USAF bring an F-15E, launching an ASM and make it go spectacularly with a bang?
O7, fly safe scott thanks for the video
"more energy in a few seconds than the sun emits in its lifetime"
uh, i'm just going to go lie down for a while now.
The only way to actually save the ISS would be to turn it into the space station of Theseus and replace components as they age out. I wish they'd do that though.
Might not work if they can't un-berth stuff. There is some consideration that metal surfaces pushed together in a vacuum can cold weld themselves together. It was a worry for Pirs when Nauka was launched to replace it.
Compared to the total cost of keeping ISS flying, deorbiting is a mere drop in the ocean.
My understanding with Collins space suit is essentially they have just exhausted the funds from the fixed price development contract after successfully completing ground tests, just as its about to enter the expensive in space testing and NASA agrees they had done enough work to justify their pay check so a mutually agreed stop. They could pick up development again if fresh funds were made available but that would require NASA getting fresh funding for it or Collins raising the money privately (and there doesnt appear to be any realistic chance they could recoup development costs from sales if they did).
We cant even make space suits, space shuttle never got replaced.
The booster catching still seems mad to me. I won't belive it till I see it.
Every day Starship gets closer to space shuttle
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🤔some of these are new to me, though i was looking for "Airplane Pilot " 😅
I would argue that trapped is a fair evaluation of the Starliner situation. While maybe not literally true, it is highly unlikely Boeing would push the landing back unless something extremely problematic happened. Deviating from the flight plan is never a sign of success, and continued deviations with no landing in sight indicate that is possible that a safe entry is impossible. I would not be surprised if Boeing moved this back as much as possible and then attempted an unsafe landing of the capsule with/without astronauts, leading to a possible loss of mission. It feels like NASA is going along with Boeing’s spin in the situation to avoid criticism for funding Boeing.
Are the Boeing flight suits compatible with dragon, or would dragon need to bring additional suits with it?
Correction: CNES is an agency, not a company.
they were sheltering inside Starliner because thats the protocol
Any astronaut that had a choice between dragon and starliner would have chosen dragon
"Surprise Minotaur Launch" is not a phrase I'm comfortable hearing in any context, lol
Hi Scott, I think Elon said the replacement tiles for Ship 30 are different from what they have been using up to now: twice as hard, I believe.
Is starships cargo bay big enough to de-orbit individual sections of the ISS? Because a ISS museum on the ground sounds sick as hell
If the universe used to be stupid hot, and now it's dumb cold; then at some point it was room temperature and water was everywhere. Maybe the astroid is a relic of that time and was never anything more than an asteroid.
7:05 Jettisoned after re-entry? I assume that was a slip of the tongue.
Can you divide up your video into segments (as many on YT are), so that one can easily skip parts they are not interested in?
Pirk is the man you need to deal with the International Space Station. Tulta!
When are Scotland launching Tartan 1? I want to see 5 kilos of Haggis in geostationary orbit soon.
17:06 there's a typo on page 3 *has
Space X makes satellite launch common theme
Scott do you have any links to ILC spacesuits being tested in actual vacuum chambers?
CNES isn't a company, it's a french public agency which acronym means National Center for Space Studies. It was the backbone around which ESA was built. I thought you'd know that. Vive la France! 🥖
Going Kessler, one satellite at the time!
Just a thought, it's cost a whole lot of time and money launching the ISS to orbit. Would it be feasible to move it to a moon orbit for moon lander staging?
I don't know enough to say this or that, but they made it clear that there are not enough Ariane 6 flights to make reusability profitable (more fuel/less cargo, infrastructure to handle landings and so on), does any one have proof that Falcon 9 is cheaper as a reusable rocket ? what I have seen most articles say it may be a little cheaper, but again where does it go profitable ? you need >x number of flights before they will make any profit, there is a huge difference in the number of flights between Ariane/SpaceX. There are also lots of ongoing reusability projects with both ESA and other contractors not related to Ariane 6, governments and commercial companies use different time scales.
Why don't the Long March boosters just burn the excess propellant before they fall? It just makes sense to me.
Then it'll fly further and probably hit a more densely populated area.
Why not leave it up there, somewhere, as an emergency rest room. Put it in orbit around the moon or mars. Land it on the moon for parts.