It's not that the people saying Rev Gideon isn't making any sense don't understand what he's saying, they'll just rather defend Abel damina's lies than stand for the truth. Damina has succeeded in inputting his pride in his followers. The Rev here has successfully proven that Adam and Eve did eat something contrary to Abel damina saying they didn't eat anything. He has also been able to show that Abel damina using what Jesus said about food not corrupting man to justify his claim is also erroneous, that it doesn't apply in this case because this is a specific case where a specific instruction was given but it was disobeyed. He was also Abel to show damina's trick of mixing a little truth with big lies to sound right to some. This is so easy to get id you watched the video.
@@ChristianOkafor-q4o stop using insulting word on people irrespective of the point you want to make. I am sure you won't like it if someone calls you foolish
Really, it seemed confusing at least for the alcohol part. With regards to the real fruit or not, I am not 100% sure it was a real fruit as much as there was a talking snake. Some of the language is figurative.
There is nothing outstanding about his explanation. How can this be outstanding without references to other scriptures to buttress the point. Pls study Ephesians 5. It will help u understand that Rev Odoma exposed his ignorance of the said teaching
@@raphealrichardodili-vd3kw I think we should be humble in our take on issues. If you don't see anything outstanding about his explanation, you can humbly present your take without referring to it as "exposing his ignorance." We are all ignorant of something my brother and none of us has the monopoly of biblical interpretation. I will like to read your explanation on Ephesians 5 you referred to so that I can also learn from you
The fact that drinking and smoking is still an argument is proof that we still want to live in the flesh rather than crucify it and live in the Spirit. The Lord knows those that are He's
This is not true. There are problems with a blanket "alcohol is fleshly" position. 1 Jesus turned water to wine. 2. Holy communion was with wine, hence why Paul was addressing people getting drunk during communion. 3. In Deut 14:26, you could sell your tithe and go buy food and strong drink (alcohol) and eat and drink in the presence of the Lord. You can't ignore these contexts.
@@oreo9977 you are missing the point. The question is why is this an argument, why do we keep having controversies over matters that relate to lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes and pride of life...love not the world neither the things that are in the World...see 1John 2:15. I'm not having this debate. God bless you
@emmanuelakapa288 It's fine if you don't want a debate, it doesn't mean you are correct. And I am still writing for others who may see this comment thread. You are the one missing the point. Using the term "flesh" is a strawman. What you need to do is point out where the Bible explicitly calls the consumption of alcohol a sin, and then explain how it wasn't sinful for Jesus to consume and give to others. Sin is the context not "fleshly things". Eating is 100% of the flesh, but not inherently sinful, although it can be.
@@emmanuelakapa288The problem is many preachers don't want to teach what the scriptures are actually saying with respect to other topics thinking that their hearers will think that they condone that people should practice such this..1. drinking alcohol, drinking alcohol is not a sin but excessive drinking is sin, is wrong to preach that drinking alcohol is a sin because that's not biblical, 1 Timothy 5:3, 2. Issues around sex, sex is also a good thing as long as is practiced in marriage 3. Money is also good..but the love of it is a problem, 4..even the food we eat is beneficial but Gluttony is a singl
@@oreo9977 Whenever anything you do has a bad influence to the body of Christ Jesus, it advised by Saint Paul that you should quit out of love for others and for peace and unity in the body of Christ. Smoking and uncontrolled drinking of alcohol, which could both lead to habitual addictions also fall in this category to be avoided by all Christians. According Romans 14:15-16 15. If you hurt your brother or sister because of something you eat, then you are no longer acting from love. Do not let the food that you eat ruin the person for whom Christ died! 16. Do not let what you regard as good get a bad name. I believe this issue has been sorted out permanently and this not up for any debate to bend the scriptures in ways of men and their earthly pleasures.
You mean the scriptures galvanized by King James in 611 or the one fabricated by Emperor Constantine at Nicaea in 325 ad, and all mixed up with errors?
God bless this man. I have always maintained that Damina mixes truth with lie to form heresy. People gets confused because he is eloquent but that is how he has always been even when he was teaching the things he now refutes.
You clearly havent read your bible well. With Gideon's logic, you should also abstain from food, so you dont commit gluttony. You that eats 3 plates of rice every day. You are commiting gluttony avoid food, just drink water lmao
@@PastorDamola-uh5vr Maybe, you should do a research before commenting on what you do not know. God being All knowing knows that humans will always need alcohol in one way or the other but it's not to be consumed in excess. Don't you know that alcohol is used as preservatives for the cake and most of the processed foods that you eat? I shake my head for you ooo!
My question had always been why had MOG not made rebuttals to the pastor who said no tithe, no heaven. He did not rebuke the man selling soap for favour. How never find fault with pastors demanding January salaries. The latest one on the SM about the first fruit that drew the ire of many, I did not hear any reaction or correction. Most times I see his post on SM is about what Dr Damina did or did not. We all agree that there may be some excess in Dr Damina teaching, but his vocal whip had somehow brought some measure of sanity to the Nigeria church. What shall the church in Nigeria remember Pastor Odoma for? Rebuking Damina and ignoring others? Anyway, as usual, we listen, we don't judge (pastors edition)
@collinsejikeme25.... our fathers in the faith agreed they well not well schooled in doctrine that's why many of them err. They have recognised their faults have have owned up. The likes of Pastor kumuyi and Pastor Adeboye. If you are been logical it's easy to assume anyone who disobeys God will go to hell, that explains the reason behind that statement, but balancing scriptures we know that we are in a era of grace an holiness and without holiness no man can see God. So err in ignorance but the right intent of heart should not be laughable but pointed out.
@@femiojuolape2875 you are a bloody hypocrite. See how you watered down a very important talk. The question is where was Odoma and his irks when all of those talk were going on, if truly he is preaching Christ for like 20years as he has claimed. He is not different from them. Is it not his covenant friend that said they will still be paying tithe in heaven? And maybe give 1st fruit in heaven, the question is what is different from him and Pastor Adeboyes talk? Meanwhile, Damina has been very open about his bias, it's Christ and Christ alone. At least, he has been consistent, anything he is preaching is ending in Christ. No sugarcoating, no stories. If he will do rebutals, he is using scriptures and not this attack that Odoma is doing. Refute him with scriptures not telling him the style of his preaching. Everyone has style of preaching, the crux of the matter is of the message is passed,. Is Damina passing the message, yes, however, if you have a problem with the message, state it with scriptures. What Odoma is doing here is called busybody, and it's a hypocritical stand. And it's a shame.
@@seunagbolade8239 hahahaha so God will send His children to hell because they drank alcohol u guys are funny. Even David drank wine which is a strong drink so he is in hell fire? You guys used ur mentality of idol worship to follow Almighty God. Serving God with hypocrisy
The Bible does not forbid drinking! It is not about carnality! It is a fact. The church can recommend total abstention from drinking, which is good. But to then teach that drinking alcohol is sin, is an untruth!
The level of gross ignorance on the part of some believers supposedly is just incredible. The fact that we still argue things like drinking and smoking is a testament to the fact that men have a long way to go. God can't do anything serious with a man who is not consecrated; now ask yourself does smoking and drink enhance your relationship with Christ, does it deepen your consecration; how many men/and women that were drinkers and smokers pioneered revival ever or God did anything serious with. We try to be logical by saying the bible didn't explicitly say drinking is a sin; like the reverend here said the bible didn't say drinking sniper is a sin why don't you drink it😂, let us grow to maturity abeg
The level of gross ignorance on the part of some believers supposedly is just incredible. The fact that we still argue things like drinking and smoking is a testament to the fact that men have a long way to go. God can't do anything serious with a man who is not consecrated; now ask yourself does smoking and drink enhance your relationship with Christ, does it deepen your consecration; how many men/and women that were drinkers and smokers pioneered revival ever or God did anything serious with. We try to be logical by saying the bible didn't explicitly say drinking is a sin; like the reverend here said the bible didn't say drinking sniper is a sin why don't you drink it😂, let us grow to maturity abeg
Put them on international TV and call all media houses to air the live broadcast and see if your Gideon would not resign as a pastor or not. Even I, put me on with your infant pastor and see how I make a mess of his life...
Make it happen nah! You want to put your Gideon to shame right? Y'all will be disappointed in his inconsistencies and lack of proper knowledge of the word. See, I'm 100% sure your Odoma will never even want to try it. But if you have his ear, and he is been saying it, then let us know, we can make it happen. Damina is not afraid of any platform, he will be interested.
@@fm4real2k6you guys think you make sense when you overestimate damina. Knowing scriptures is not quoting more of it to confuse your followers. Arome and Gideon will flaw your pastor anytime any day. Shouting is not equal to have the accurate knowledge of the word. Arome has always wants a debate for clarity. Why damina nor answer.
Damina preaches a little truth mixed with lies. He is Subtly working for the devil to send people to hell. Lord help your children to overcome this evil.
Titus 3:3, 5 [3] For we ourselves were once foolish, disobedient, and wrong. We were slaves to passions and pleasures of all kinds. We spent our lives in malice and envy; others hated us and we hated them. [5] he saved us. It was not because of any good deeds that we ourselves had done, but because of his own mercy that he saved us, through the Holy Spirit, who gives us new birth and new life by washing us.
@@jumokeolajideajire8021 but not drinking alcohol or smoking... The focus of scriptures is for us to do all things in moderation. If what been said is true, then those smoking in cold regions of the world are sinners, those that inhale smoking because they are around the smokers are sinners, everyone (including you and the preacher) that eat processed/preserved food are sinners because it have some alcoholic content also, if you choose the jew traditional you will find out the best wine in the wedding at Canaan was a highly alcoholic concentrated wine.... You can make your judgement now
Drinking and smoking not sins. Just be aware of the consequences. It’s a choice. Dr Damina is not the only preacher who said this. Pastor Chris, pastor Paula d other said it. Why is he picking on Dr DaMina. All of that saying dr damina preaches a little truth mixed with lies ought to go back and listened to him very well. Seems like most you are wallowing in ignorance.
i am not here to argue. but I think even pastor odoma is doing too much to explain his point. As he rightly said subtly 1. It was the church that adopted the idea of not drinking alcohol at all in other to assist in avoiding drunkenness. 2. He also subtly confirmed that it was not a physical fruit that they consumed as against what the church has been teaching us. if you ask most people they think it's an Apple only because all the teachings in the church portrayed it has a physical fruit. Pastor Damina could be extreme sometimes but I submit that he has dared to tell more truth than many of the generals. Above all I stand to say Mensah Otabil is doing a perfectly wonderful job in daring to speak the truth for Christianity. Most of the messages or pastors carry are tales passed from generation to generation. In the you it was a not so. Be wise people. Obtain the truth for yourself and
Whenever anything you do has a bad influence to the body of Christ Jesus, it advised by Saint Paul that you should quit out of love for others and for peace and unity in the body of Christ. Smoking and uncontrolled drinking of alcohol, which could both lead to habitual addictions also fall into this category to be avoided by all Christians. According Romans 14:15-16 15. If you hurt your brother or sister because of something you eat, then you are no longer acting from love. Do not let the food that you eat ruin the person for whom Christ died! 16. Do not let what you regard as good get a bad name. I believe this issue has been sorted out permanently and this not up for any debate to bend the scriptures in ways of men and their earthly pleasures.
Whenever anything you do has a bad influence to the body of Christ Jesus, it advised by Saint Paul that you should quit out of love for others and for peace and unity in the body of Christ. Smoking and uncontrolled drinking of alcohol, which could both lead to habitual addictions also fall into this category to be avoided by all Christians. According Romans 14:15-16 15. If you hurt your brother or sister because of something you eat, then you are no longer acting from love. Do not let the food that you eat ruin the person for whom Christ died! 16. Do not let what you regard as good get a bad name. I believe this issue has been sorted out permanently and this not up for any debate to bend the scriptures in ways of men and their earthly pleasures.
The problem with you bloggers is that you guys cut and join. After going to listen to the full clip of that Damina teaching there is nothing Gideon is saying that wasnt covered except for a few. Gideon did a good job with his rebuttals based on the view he is sharing but he ignored one fundamental, because you decided to ignore doing something doesn't mean doing it is a sin. Because I refuse to drink because I will be drunk doesn't mean if I drink I will be drunk
Whenever anything you do has a bad influence to the body of Christ Jesus, it advised by Saint Paul that you should quit out of love for others and for peace and unity in the body of Christ. Smoking and uncontrolled drinking of alcohol, which could both lead to habitual addictions also fall into this category to be avoided by all Christians. According Romans 14:15-16 15. If you hurt your brother or sister because of something you eat, then you are no longer acting from love. Do not let the food that you eat ruin the person for whom Christ died! 16. Do not let what you regard as good get a bad name. I believe this issue has been sorted out permanently and this not up for any debate to bend the scriptures in ways of men and their earthly pleasures.
With all that he's said and tried to explain, he has not dealt with where he started from. Is drinking alcohol a sin?? Try not to say much without saying anything. Am a keen learner, but I feel he's not answering the question.
Whenever anything you do has a bad influence to the body of Christ Jesus, it advised by Saint Paul that you should quit out of love for others and for peace and unity in the body of Christ. Smoking and uncontrolled drinking of alcohol, which could both lead to habitual addictions also fall into this category to be avoided by all Christians. According Romans 14:15-16 15. If you hurt your brother or sister because of something you eat, then you are no longer acting from love. Do not let the food that you eat ruin the person for whom Christ died! 16. Do not let what you regard as good get a bad name. I believe this issue has been sorted out permanently and this not up for any debate to bend the scriptures in ways of men and their earthly pleasures.
@Chinotheisraelite selective application! Do you know how much bad influence the ostentatious show put up by these pastors have on other believers? Why don't they quit them?
@Chinotheisraelite i know the context brother. But I am saying that the advise that we ought to deceast from things that can hurt others ought to apply in every area. Paul actually talked abstaining from food, which is seemingly harmless for the sake of love of the other.
They're all losing focus jare. If there's anything they have against one another, let them call for a debate and put it live on TH-cam or they should focus son their callings
The problem we have is we allow dis men to decide the scriptures for us Luke 7:34 The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and you say, ‘Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners.’ So many pastor's coming against damina are doing that because of tithe and rubbish prosperity message de'v been deceiving us with, Because Damina is crashing there business so they'r looking for every means to get at him The level at which this pastor is attacking Damina, When Bishop David oyedepo said he is wiser than job in the bible and he said because job is not a tither that was why there was no security to his wealth And das the reason devil was able to afflict job, when oyedepo said all of that none of this so call pastors was able to come out to tell him das a lie. Papa Adeboye said if you don't pay thith you won't make heaven, None of this pastors came out to open scriptures against that lie but is on Abel Damina's head you guys can open scriptures HYPOCRITES IN THE NAME OF PASTORS Abeg mr Gideon go and sleep
Why not, if they are not, they won't be coming back. Considering he is not soft on sin, he is the prosperity teacher, neither is he die by fire kind of minister, so what else will draw people to a church aside these, if not the true word of God.
I have said this, the Damani pastor is something else… Mt 5, Jesus did not give us that sermon for us to be playing hanky panky… It’s that hanky-panky Jesus was doing away with…
@@ichipienaefe3950 Whenever anything you do has a bad influence to the body of Christ Jesus, it advised by Saint Paul that you should quit out of love for others and for peace and unity in the body of Christ. Smoking and uncontrolled drinking of alcohol, which could both lead to habitual addictions also fall into this category to be avoided by all Christians. According Romans 14:15-16 15. If you hurt your brother or sister because of something you eat, then you are no longer acting from love. Do not let the food that you eat ruin the person for whom Christ died! 16. Do not let what you regard as good get a bad name. I believe this issue has been sorted out permanently and this not up for any debate to bend the scriptures in the ways of men and their earthly pleasures.
Whenever anything you do has a bad influence to the body of Christ Jesus, it advised by Saint Paul that you should quit out of love for others and for peace and unity in the body of Christ. Smoking and uncontrolled drinking of alcohol, which could both lead to habitual addictions also fall into this category to be avoided by all Christians. According Romans 14:15-16 15. If you hurt your brother or sister because of something you eat, then you are no longer acting from love. Do not let the food that you eat ruin the person for whom Christ died! 16. Do not let what you regard as good get a bad name. I believe this issue has been sorted out permanently and this not up for any debate to bend the scriptures in the ways of men and their earthly pleasures.
I don't understand what he is driving at.... He hasn't address anything. Is alcohol sin? Alcohol is in our carbohydrates. What does Jesus means by what a man eats doesn't defile a man. He should please hit the point.
Do not be drunk with wine 🍷 wherein it’s excess... prevention is better than cheap cure.. if you don’t drink it’s not possible for you to get drunk 🥴 sir
@s_johnsonn4 okay sir.... Sebi na wine Jesus turn water to? My argument is wine is not a sin, too much is bad because it intoxicate. Is that not clear enough? I don tire abeg. Paul advices Timothy to use it for medical purposes.
One mishake we make as Christians is to reduce the bible to the point where we have to drag it into every petty issue. As believers we are allowed to adopt a culture and way of life and decide that we will use paper to print the bible amd not scrolls. We csn also say we wont wear black on sundays etc we can decide that we as believers shoudnt drink alcohol as a people because of the side effects, be it medical, spiritual or intellectual. Its common sense.
I think they both agreed alcohol is not a sin, but drunkenness is the problem. Is it possible to drink without getting drunk or addicted to it, 100% it is possible. Just like the way some take coffee and carbonated soft drinks without getting addicted to it, but some get addicted to them. Overall, Christians should avoid drinking because you might actually know the quantity that get you drunk, but sometimes it would fail if your body is altered by a new dish you try or some medications.The same one bottle that doesn't get you drunk before may get you drunk the day your body system is altered.
Whenever anything you do has a bad influence to the body of Christ Jesus, it advised by Saint Paul that you should quit out of love for others and for peace and unity in the body of Christ. Smoking and uncontrolled drinking of alcohol, which could both lead to habitual addictions also fall into this category to be avoided by all Christians. According Romans 14:15-16 15. If you hurt your brother or sister because of something you eat, then you are no longer acting from love. Do not let the food that you eat ruin the person for whom Christ died! 16. Do not let what you regard as good get a bad name. I believe this issue has been sorted out permanently and this not up for any debate to bend the scriptures in ways of men and their earthly pleasures.
My issues with this type of men of God is that they have time to debate Damina but will be quiet when another men of God they revere utters heresy, i dnt see this man say anything to a man of God that says Poverty in the life of a man is an indication of sin or that material wealth is a sign of Holiness. They won't say anything when A man of God claims to be disappearing from france amd appearing in germany and saying its normal. Noo you will not here anything from them. But let Damina say one thing Then they all have an entire sermon to correct him. Anyways Its a question of perspective to this people now...but my take I will listen to what they say and then by God's Grace I will wait for Godo to help me discern which is true.
@sunkanmikitibi it seems you are a Damina fan or you enjoy the heresis and mistakes he preaches. I don't have issues with Damina, but truth is, Damina preaches so much error. Saying smoking cigarette, marijuana, etc is not a sin, can you as a child of GOD smoke these drugs on evangelism and expect to win souls for CHRIST. What does he want to achieve in all this type of controversial preaching?
If you think that teleporting is not possible then you don't know what Christianity is about. In late 2022 I saw two men of a God in a vision who were not true, and the lord said about the second one " He is yet to recieve salvation". Two days after my elder brother sends a link about a man of talking n misrepresentx the principle of grace. Guess whonit was Damina.. that was my first time of seeing him n he was the the person in my vision who was yet to be safe. From his messages it is obvious that man is not of God. He does not divide the word of God rightly. He is a trapppp
@@raphaelatie7926 actually am not anyone's fan and my believe is that we all know in part. Having said that, there are some utterances that are way farther from truth than the others that's my point. When someone says drinking alcohol is not a sin. He is saying that based on what is written in the Bible which is not a moral standard. It's different from when someone said we will still pay tithe in heaven or that the fruit Adam and eve ate in the garden of Eden is tithe. Which to u is more unheard of
Rev. God bless you Sir....Furthermore,there is a need to compare scripture with Scriptures and spiritual with spiritual....but you got it right Sir.....many church people don't have the time to study on their own so anything goes.... 2 Peter 3:15-16 KJV And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; [16] As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
Does alcohol consumption constitute sin? The simple answer is no. Food or drink consumption does not constitute sin. The question should be; does immoderate consumption of alcohol constitute sin? Yes Moderation or temperance is a virtue or fruit of the Spirit. The opposite of moderation leads one to commit the sin of excesses either in drinking (drukness) or eating (gluttony). Therefore all things must be done in moderation with consideration to the laws of God and the effect of excesses on physical, mental and spiritual faculties. Excess alcohol impairs our faculty of judgement, such that we would be unable to carry out sound judgment when under the influence. So you can drink or avoid it all together as long as it does not take away your ability to make sound judgement. I leave us with the words of our lord Jesus himself inMatthew 15:10-11, 16-20 (KJV) " And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand: Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.... And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding? Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught? But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man. For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man." By the way, this does not change the fact that Damina is a heretic and to listen to his erroneous teachings will bring about your damnation faster than excess alcohol or drunkeness.
@@collinsejikeme25 he is a heretic. And it is obvious that you are one of his fanatical followers who do not like it when people question the validity of his false doctrines. Damina has commited countless heresies like claiming that God changed during the incarnation, the incarnate Christ is different from the resurrected Christ, the eucharistic is "rubbish", God does not give children...and so on. He even went as far as to claim that Adam was not the first man created by God. How many heresies of this charlatan can we count? Damina is a blasphemer, a charlatan and a dubious heretic. And if you do not cease to follow his heretical teachings, then you will end up in everlasting perdition with him. Seperate yourself now from him before it is too late.
Drinking isn't a sin, and neither is smoking. But a man who has grown and focused on christ will not be attracted by most things that are more pleasurable for the flesh. As we grow in the pursuance of christ, the more we stop responding to life by our 5 sense organs and that in no way is saying all things the flesh does is wrong.
Keep deceiving yourself. You can't master the flesh by feeding it's desires. If you like mature, the flesh will master you if you gives in to it's desires. I put my under subjection.. . He didn't say as I mature they fall out.
In addition to what the man of God has said, is there any who can determine at what point of drinking he/she will be drunk so as to stop at the point to avoid drunkeness? None. So, to avoid drunkeness, don't lay the foundation through drinking. If you say my I don't take more than 2 bottles, one day, the aura (demons) of the drinking environment will move you to 3 bottles and off you go.Shalom.
The problem i see here is that truth is too heavy for most Christians, because human beings like and love Law, so when someone says according to scriptures the intake of alcohol is not a sin, something in their minds revolts, even Jesus christ had to explain what the scriptures really mean to his disciples.. The bible is not a book for moral instructions even though some of those this are contained in it, it has a particular and delibrate message. Note: im not a drunk and i dont drink😅, be 4 someone will think im supporting what i do.
Apostle Gideon is not arguing with Abel Damina... He's only pointing out how Abel Damina seeks attention by using the shock effect. And since people don't study, they follow him cheapishly
@@ikagwusunday1566 So what is bad in that? Is that suppose to even be his focus? Why can't he focus on rebutall using scriptures rather than focusing on the way the man delivers his messages. Is that not busybody?
@fm4real2k6 Imagine, you can't even see what's bad in a man of God being crafty and trickish in passing around venoms. I think your case is not ordinary
@@ikagwusunday1566 Dude, if you are born again into the Christ of the scriptures, and not just another-jesus, then you won't be arguing blindly where. Damina has shown his bias, that ist Christ and Christ alone, and tha Bible is the book of Salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. And Damina is pursuing that vigorously in ALL his teachings, questioning, podcast and explanations. So if you have problems with Christ if the scriptures, maybe you need to check yourself, check your Bible and also check if you have not been carrying about another-gospel serving another-jesus as said in 2 Corinthians 11:4 KJV That's my advice to you.
@fm4real2k6 lolz That's where the problem with Damina and his followers lies. The bible is not the book of salvation throughout Faith only. The doctrine of salvation (soteria) is just one out of many doctrines in the bible. In fact, salvation through Faith is but a basic foundation, the entire bible is not about salvation through Faith. When you are saved, there's a Kingdom life to live. 2 Corinthians 5:15. "...He died for all that they who live should henceforth not live unto themselves..." Hebrews 6:1 "Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection..." Like I said, the entire bible is not about salvation through Faith and it's not about the doctrine of Christ (Christology) alone. The bible says we should move on unto perfection. Soteria and Christology are only an elementary faction of the entire scriptures. Abel Damina just repented from dupping people , and in order to remain relevant, he's he's paverting the scriptures up and down using people's ignorance. Like the man of God rightly said, Damina is only using the shock effect to cash people like you. If the whole work of God and walk with God is about salvation through faith, we should have died the day we believed. You've got to study the bible for yourself, Abel Damina is riding on your Ignorance to feel relevant.
Jesus talked about eating. he said "unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood you can not have life" the eating is not literal. bible interpretation is the key. And many so called men of God are doing a poor job at it.
Mtcheeew, I don’t even need to listen to Gideon’s points, he obviously wrong, he is only trying to protect his power and influence over his congregation
And that is exactly what Damina is doing to you people. See truth before your eyes but you can't accept it. A right thinking mind knows the right place to be without any body keeping them by manipulation.
This says alot abt u bcos odoma neva said drink and and cigarette is a sin he only gave a balanced view to it whc Damina failed to do in his usual way trying to play on gullible minds like urs pls study the bible for urself and let the Holyspirit be ur teacher
Whenever anything you do has a bad influence to the body of Christ Jesus, it advised by Saint Paul that you should quit out of love for others and for peace and unity in the body of Christ. Smoking and uncontrolled drinking of alcohol, which could both lead to habitual addictions also fall into this category to be avoided by all Christians. According Romans 14:15-16 15. If you hurt your brother or sister because of something you eat, then you are no longer acting from love. Do not let the food that you eat ruin the person for whom Christ died! 16. Do not let what you regard as good get a bad name. I believe this issue has been sorted out permanently and this not up for any debate to bend the scriptures in ways of men and their earthly pleasures.
Whatever is not of faith is sin.. “The son of man came and is drinking and you call him a wine babbler” My joy is that none of these preachers wrote the Bible, they all met the Bible on earth when they were born so no one has a monopoly of knowledge of the scripture. Bible says we have all received an anointing from the HolySpirit and we need no man to teach you but the HolySpirit will teach you all things. Take the Bible, ask the HolySpirit for help to understand it and begin to study it… sometimes simplicity if king… God has made the Bible very simple to understand. If you conscience condemn you then you are in error!!
He replies him, Only you have hearing problem. Anyone preaching any other gospel should be cursed apart from what the Apostle has preached should be accursed. No additions to what has been preached.
Jesus called the crowd to him and said, "Listen and understand. What goes into a man's mouth does not make him `unclean,' but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him `unclean. '"We must learn to distinguish between spiritual matters and fleshy matters. what God requires give to God, what common sense require give in to common sense. Give to Ceasar whats Ceasar's, give to God what's God's. Legalism does not make you righteous. This Rev is wrong.
In trying to put this online to show which is right, try and put the two messages like you did but try as much as you can to put Pastor Damina's message as you have done with Pastor Gideons; cause I won't lie I feel like Damina is being attacked here and I don't even know from what message you got the short clip you put from, you took Pst Gideons message of more than 10min to tackle a message of just 20sec if not less that don't know anything about, like the way you made sure we followed every detail as well as examples of Pastor Gideon, let us have that same privilege to know where Pastor Damina is coming from. What I am trying to say which is clear is, please put the two long messages together so we can be the judge and not you, I know you are trying to pass a good message based on the conviction you believe to be true but it that let us have something tentative and qualitative to see so we could decide for ourselves. Thank you
Noted! However the Damina Message has been on circulation widely, so I believe most have seen it. And those were the highlights of the discussion. That's why I shared those few seconds
@PortalsMediaNetwork So in this case, like for someone like me that is just coming across both the messages, how do you expect me to fully comprehend the whole issue and solutions. And finally, I just would want you to always be of full details rather than believing we already know what has been going on so that it won't bring about disregard or disrespect unto the body of Christ. Thank you for all you do and God bless you 🙏🏾, more grace ❤️.
YOU ARE NOT DOING WELL AT ALL, WHY DO YOU MAKE DR. DAMINA LOOK STUPID WHEREAS YOU ALL NEED TO LEARN FROM HIM, BECAUSE AFTER LISTENING TO ALL THAT APOSTLE GIDEON SAID HERE, IT IS OBVIOUS THAT HE WAS QUOTING BOTH SCRIPTURE AND DR. DAMINA OUT OF CONTEXT. THEY SHOULD JUST ALLOW DR DAMINA.
Whenever anything you do has a bad influence to the body of Christ Jesus, it advised by Saint Paul that you should quit out of love for others and for peace and unity in the body of Christ. Smoking and uncontrolled drinking of alcohol, which could both lead to habitual addictions also fall into this category to be avoided by all Christians. According Romans 14:15-16 15. If you hurt your brother or sister because of something you eat, then you are no longer acting from love. Do not let the food that you eat ruin the person for whom Christ died! 16. Do not let what you regard as good get a bad name. I believe this issue has been sorted out permanently and this not up for any debate to bend the scriptures in ways of men and their earthly pleasures.
If you christans truly have the holy Spirit and read the Bible it will be clear who is right. If you want to hear half truths and truth in a teaching i will ask is that how Jesus taught? God standards will always be it doesn't change with high sounding teaching from Dr. Abel Damina that will make you more confuse than before. For christ sake scriptures is clear no one should come and bamboozle us this new year. May God give you understanding
Rev. Gideon in the last 10years i haven’t been seeing you preach… preach and lets understand, whatever you are preaching that has nothing to do with Christ is misleading….
God bless you brotherly. At least Damina has shown his bias. It's Christ and Christ alone. And he is doing that vigorously. Let Odoma show us his. He can't be calming he has been preaching Christ for the past 20 years and charlatans are having field day. They nearly overrun us.
God bless you servant of God. Abel Damina is a false and dangerous teacher. What he preaches is absolutely evil. He may sprinkle his core message with certain truths here and there as a bait, but the hook is the falsehood that he peddles. That falsehood is Once Saved Always Saved. Continue in sin, Jesus is your substitute and nothing or no one can pluck you out of Jesus' or God's hand. What they fail to tell you is that you can sin and grieve the Holy Spirit. The bible says, "Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? God forbid!
Please preachers should stop attacking themselves from their pulpit, the pulpit is not a boxing ring. What they should do is have an open discussion in the presence of an audience where they will discuss their understanding of scripture and throw more light on their beliefs. Not a debate but a discussion. This is not what the Lord Jesus wants his church to hear each time they come to service rather they should hear the Gospel of the Kingdom and not battering each other… it is becoming very tiring and pathetic.
Whenever anything you do has a bad influence to the body of Christ Jesus, it advised by Saint Paul that you should quit out of love for others and for peace and unity in the body of Christ. Smoking and uncontrolled drinking of alcohol, which could both lead to habitual addictions also fall into this category to be avoided by all Christians. According Romans 14:15-16 15. If you hurt your brother or sister because of something you eat, then you are no longer acting from love. Do not let the food that you eat ruin the person for whom Christ died! 16. Do not let what you regard as good get a bad name. I believe this issue has been sorted out permanently and this not up for any debate to bend the scriptures in ways of men and their earthly pleasures.
If you don't drink you won't get drunk, same way if you don't eat, you can't be a glutton. God is not against drinking but getting drunk, God is not against eating but overeating If it's a sin. Apostle Paul will not tell his son Timothy to take a little wine Is there any wine that doesn't have alcohol? Even the cake you all eat has alcohol. Deut.14.26 - And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household Now explain the verse above, God said they should buy whatever their soul lust after, wine or strong wine ..... Let's stop making doctrine from this, scripture is very clear I don't take because I chose not to, not because it's a sin. The bible is against drunkenness and that's it, preach the word as it is, let's not add our personal convictions Shalom
No need to curse anyone. Whenever anything you do has a bad influence to the body of Christ Jesus, it advised by Saint Paul that you should quit out of love for others and for peace and unity in the body of Christ. Smoking and uncontrolled drinking of alcohol, which could both lead to habitual addictions also fall into this category to be avoided by all Christians. According Romans 14:15-16 15. If you hurt your brother or sister because of something you eat, then you are no longer acting from love. Do not let the food that you eat ruin the person for whom Christ died! 16. Do not let what you regard as good get a bad name. I believe this issue has been sorted out permanently and this not up for any debate to bend the scriptures in ways of men and their earthly pleasures.
So your body is not the temple of the Holy spirit. So alcohol and cigar can be accommodated in the Holy spirit. The Bible said give strong drink to whoever that wants to perish.
1 cor 10:23, drinking is not a sin, however drunkeness in the general context is. Paul said "Everything is lawful, but not all things expedient". In your journey with God, you might get direct instruction from him not to drink anymore even though it is not a sin, if you drink you are in disobedience to God and disobedience is a sin.
So people that smoke in very cold nation are sinning... Wow. Or the acholic content in most preserved food that we eat, that means we have sin... Or the wine jesus gave at the wedding at canaan that is alcohol is a sin... I know not what this guy ia saying
You can be drunk without drinking. However, that's not the topic. My problem in this topic is that Nigerian Christians largely do not understand a simple metaphor and they attempt to use their emotions to interpret it to align with what they believe. Was Apostle Paul asking Timothy to commit small sin ? Is this pastor more spiritually learned than apostle Paul himself? Why does he think his members won't understand a well dissected truth ? He has been mentioning Pastor Abel Damina and it's fine, but once Pastor Abel Damina uses the bible to correct him, religious minds will become extremely irritated. No matter how you stretch the scriptures to suit you and using the same to dislodge the truth, the truth remains the truth. Was Jesus not aware of the "eating of the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil" metaphor before saying " it is not what a man eats that defiles him" ? Think, people think. Stop letting these men switch off your intelligence. God gave us the brain to use it. The question is: if Adam and Eve actually ate something and it was a literal eating, does it mean Jesus wanted his disciples to kill him and eat him like Cannibals ? Remember Jesus said "He who does not eat my flesh or drink my blood does not have a part in my kingdom" The Bible is therefore full of metaphors that require interpretation. Some pastors think their members are dumb. Dear Pastor, after Jesus finished telling his disciples they must eat his flesh and drink his blood, did Peter and others jump on him to devour him ? There was a reason we were taught comprehension and summary in English and I'm glad I learned well.
I would prefer that Rev. Gideon brings more clarity to what Damina said than to castigate him with some of the statement he has made. Damina has made many preachers to sit up and align with teaching of the true gospel. Damina has made more people to listen to the gospel in recent times with emphasy of Jesus Christ as the only way to obtain salvation on any platform he has spoken. He is not perfect and no one is. Please bring clarity and correction in love, not by name-calling.
Whenever anything you do has a bad influence to the body of Christ Jesus, it advised by Saint Paul that you should quit out of love for others and for peace and unity in the body of Christ. Smoking and uncontrolled drinking of alcohol, which could both lead to habitual addictions also fall into this category to be avoided by all Christians. According Romans 14:15-16 15. If you hurt your brother or sister because of something you eat, then you are no longer acting from love. Do not let the food that you eat ruin the person for whom Christ died! 16. Do not let what you regard as good get a bad name. I believe this issue has been sorted out permanently and this not up for any debate to bend the scriptures in ways of men and their earthly pleasures.
I have always asked people who supports both smoking and drinking ehh pls (1)what are the health benefits ? (2) important of alcohol and cigarettes to your body organs ? (3) Does pastor ebel damina knows what is written on a cigarette packet 😂? Collect mic and explain 🎤🎤
From Alcohol is not a sin argument u guys have graduate into cigarette is not a sin, fornication is not a sin. Who do damina resemble in the bible, whose footsteps is him following? You can't say Jesus or Paul, because They never preach a message that make people comfortable with sin. All the guys that don't like to be searious with God in our neighbourhood now say their pastor is Damina and still dey carry new girl home every weekend for sexual sin. A message that can't convict a sinner is what u people now clap for
This is a man that said he has been preaching this gospel for 20 years. And i wondered what he is been preaching all this while and we never heard him while charlatans almost overrun us. At least Damina has been pointedly clear on his bias. To him the Bible is the book of Jesus, and a book of salvation. And his focus is Christ and Christ ALONE . Amd he is been bery vigoris in his campaign about this. He is very happy to carry his bias. At least in Dr Daminas' teaching he tried to show it, and you can be rest assured all his yeachings will end in his Bias of Christ and Christ alone. He is been clear about that. The question to others who are often against him is what is their own bias, what are rhey reading from their own binle, is it Jesus plus something else or what? That is what we are saying here.
Pick up your Bible and read. Many of you are now believing the camouflage over the truth. There's only one truth and that's the Bible. No camouflage can change it. The fact that somebody repented of his previous error doesn't make him immune to that behaviour. So don't use that as a metric. The only metric is the Bible.
@@TheDeeGlobal Well if we aren't reading our Bibles, like Berean Christian we wouldn't be able to know and situate what a person like Dr Damina is preaching. Meanwhile, of you had been reading your Bible, you would have seen in plain sight the inconsistencies of your MOG's, and persons like Odoma is not immuned. And like I did Damina has shown his bias , and he is defending it, scriptures upon Scriptures and we are opening our Bibles to follow up on what he is saying. Can it be said if your own MOG's? See, we aren't the type, not even a person like me. I spent 24 yrs of my Christian life in organized religion and I m not stupid. When I see the truth I know it.
Where in the scriptures did you get the Idea that we all have our bias, and we should stick to our bias, and what does that even mean? You think discrediting the truth of the OT and seemingly magnifying the NT is "preaching Christ and Christ alone"?, was it not this same Jesus that said all scriptures testify of me, and at the time He said that, scriptures was what we now have as the old testament. It's again quite appalling that you think popularity is the yardstick for authenticity. What do you imply by mocking someone's assertion that he's been preaching for over 20 yrs? Me I wonder what Bible you are reading from
Still trying to figure out his point 🤷♂️ how do you explain to people now that Jesus was corroborating sin when he turned water into wine at the wedding? They ate from the tree of good an evil. You don't eat a tree bark cuz its not food So was it a literal fruit or a figurative expression. Note that Jesus had to speak in parables for understanding. His logic is flawed and I think he wants to prove a point and trend in the process. The pastor is brazen saying all these things and contradicting himself. Being condescending as a follower of Christ and now who is deceiving who.
How do you draw conclusions when you say you're still trying to figure out his point. Is it not obvious that your emotions reached the conclusion you typed here. Because your comments clearly shows you didn't understand him.
It's not that the people saying Rev Gideon isn't making any sense don't understand what he's saying, they'll just rather defend Abel damina's lies than stand for the truth. Damina has succeeded in inputting his pride in his followers.
The Rev here has successfully proven that Adam and Eve did eat something contrary to Abel damina saying they didn't eat anything. He has also been able to show that Abel damina using what Jesus said about food not corrupting man to justify his claim is also erroneous, that it doesn't apply in this case because this is a specific case where a specific instruction was given but it was disobeyed.
He was also Abel to show damina's trick of mixing a little truth with big lies to sound right to some. This is so easy to get id you watched the video.
If you want use logic to explain it anyhow,it is still clear that the bible doesn't forbid drinking.
People are just twisting Damina teaching
@@ChristianOkafor-q4o Exactly
As simple as this is, I just realized it's difficult for alot to understand this. thanks for summarizing🙏
@@ChristianOkafor-q4o stop using insulting word on people irrespective of the point you want to make. I am sure you won't like it if someone calls you foolish
@@ebizideinkoru9233baba, that Odoma guy is explicitly foolish! His foolishness is infinite! It's incurable!
This man of GOD is so sound in unpacking the wisdom in the Scriptures...
"you don't apply generics in specifics" 😳🙆🏽♂️
Rev. Gideon explanation is absolutely outstanding.
Really, it seemed confusing at least for the alcohol part. With regards to the real fruit or not, I am not 100% sure it was a real fruit as much as there was a talking snake. Some of the language is figurative.
There is nothing outstanding about his explanation. How can this be outstanding without references to other scriptures to buttress the point. Pls study Ephesians 5. It will help u understand that Rev Odoma exposed his ignorance of the said teaching
@@raphealrichardodili-vd3kw I think we should be humble in our take on issues. If you don't see anything outstanding about his explanation, you can humbly present your take without referring to it as "exposing his ignorance." We are all ignorant of something my brother and none of us has the monopoly of biblical interpretation. I will like to read your explanation on Ephesians 5 you referred to so that I can also learn from you
@@timothymarcus4090don't you know how he reffered to DAD, as popular confused preacher... DAD nor be he mate at all.
The fact that drinking and smoking is still an argument is proof that we still want to live in the flesh rather than crucify it and live in the Spirit. The Lord knows those that are He's
This is not true. There are problems with a blanket "alcohol is fleshly" position. 1 Jesus turned water to wine. 2. Holy communion was with wine, hence why Paul was addressing people getting drunk during communion. 3. In Deut 14:26, you could sell your tithe and go buy food and strong drink (alcohol) and eat and drink in the presence of the Lord. You can't ignore these contexts.
@@oreo9977 you are missing the point. The question is why is this an argument, why do we keep having controversies over matters that relate to lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes and pride of life...love not the world neither the things that are in the World...see 1John 2:15. I'm not having this debate. God bless you
@emmanuelakapa288 It's fine if you don't want a debate, it doesn't mean you are correct. And I am still writing for others who may see this comment thread.
You are the one missing the point. Using the term "flesh" is a strawman. What you need to do is point out where the Bible explicitly calls the consumption of alcohol a sin, and then explain how it wasn't sinful for Jesus to consume and give to others. Sin is the context not "fleshly things". Eating is 100% of the flesh, but not inherently sinful, although it can be.
@@emmanuelakapa288The problem is many preachers don't want to teach what the scriptures are actually saying with respect to other topics thinking that their hearers will think that they condone that people should practice such this..1. drinking alcohol, drinking alcohol is not a sin but excessive drinking is sin, is wrong to preach that drinking alcohol is a sin because that's not biblical, 1 Timothy 5:3, 2. Issues around sex, sex is also a good thing as long as is practiced in marriage 3. Money is also good..but the love of it is a problem, 4..even the food we eat is beneficial but Gluttony is a singl
@@oreo9977 Whenever anything you do has a bad influence to the body of Christ Jesus, it advised by Saint Paul that you should quit out of love for others and for peace and unity in the body of Christ.
Smoking and uncontrolled drinking of alcohol, which could both lead to habitual addictions also fall in this category to be avoided by all Christians.
According Romans 14:15-16
15. If you hurt your brother or sister because of something you eat, then you are no longer acting from love. Do not let the food that you eat ruin the person for whom Christ died! 16. Do not let what you regard as good get a bad name.
I believe this issue has been sorted out permanently and this not up for any debate to bend the scriptures in ways of men and their earthly pleasures.
Anytime an issue becomes controversial, I go to the side of the scripture where the standard is very high. Flee every appearance of evil...
Honestly. It shows that he might have already taking some of these things. God help us sha
You mean the scriptures galvanized by King James in 611 or the one fabricated by Emperor Constantine at Nicaea in 325 ad, and all mixed up with errors?
Great job Rev Gideon. Keep it up
God bless this man. I have always maintained that Damina mixes truth with lie to form heresy. People gets confused because he is eloquent but that is how he has always been even when he was teaching the things he now refutes.
Rev Gideon is the weapon fashioned against Damina's nonsense😂
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You clearly havent read your bible well. With Gideon's logic, you should also abstain from food, so you dont commit gluttony. You that eats 3 plates of rice every day. You are commiting gluttony avoid food, just drink water lmao
this one the add him own….!
Handling the word of God decitefully....that is what it is!
Thanks rev Gideon ekele odoma
Outstanding explanation.
This aptly captures what Damina does.
The Righteousness of God is from Faith to Faith. Simple!.
Thank you Rev. 🎉
Apostle Gideon is deep
Dr Gideon, thanks sir, only babes who like alcohol will rationalize their wrong. Keep smoking if you want but God is great. Dont drink
@@PastorDamola-uh5vr Maybe, you should do a research before commenting on what you do not know. God being All knowing knows that humans will always need alcohol in one way or the other but it's not to be consumed in excess. Don't you know that alcohol is used as preservatives for the cake and most of the processed foods that you eat? I shake my head for you ooo!
I guess, you don't know Spurgeon (the Prince of Preachers) smoke.
This truth is profound. Thank you, sir.
This is really a battle against false and truth. Who is on the lord's side? The righteous shall win at last
God bless you sir! You just said it all!!❤
Thank you
This is the man set aside to tackle damina's nonsense.... Damina makes a lot of assumed errors and imposes it with some unbalanced scriptures
My question had always been why had MOG not made rebuttals to the pastor who said no tithe, no heaven. He did not rebuke the man selling soap for favour. How never find fault with pastors demanding January salaries. The latest one on the SM about the first fruit that drew the ire of many, I did not hear any reaction or correction. Most times I see his post on SM is about what Dr Damina did or did not. We all agree that there may be some excess in Dr Damina teaching, but his vocal whip had somehow brought some measure of sanity to the Nigeria church. What shall the church in Nigeria remember Pastor Odoma for? Rebuking Damina and ignoring others? Anyway, as usual, we listen, we don't judge (pastors edition)
@collinsejikeme25.... our fathers in the faith agreed they well not well schooled in doctrine that's why many of them err. They have recognised their faults have have owned up. The likes of Pastor kumuyi and Pastor Adeboye. If you are been logical it's easy to assume anyone who disobeys God will go to hell, that explains the reason behind that statement, but balancing scriptures we know that we are in a era of grace an holiness and without holiness no man can see God. So err in ignorance but the right intent of heart should not be laughable but pointed out.
@@femiojuolape2875 you are a bloody hypocrite.
See how you watered down a very important talk.
The question is where was Odoma and his irks when all of those talk were going on, if truly he is preaching Christ for like 20years as he has claimed.
He is not different from them. Is it not his covenant friend that said they will still be paying tithe in heaven? And maybe give 1st fruit in heaven, the question is what is different from him and Pastor Adeboyes talk?
Meanwhile, Damina has been very open about his bias, it's Christ and Christ alone. At least, he has been consistent, anything he is preaching is ending in Christ. No sugarcoating, no stories. If he will do rebutals, he is using scriptures and not this attack that Odoma is doing.
Refute him with scriptures not telling him the style of his preaching. Everyone has style of preaching, the crux of the matter is of the message is passed,. Is Damina passing the message, yes, however, if you have a problem with the message, state it with scriptures.
What Odoma is doing here is called busybody, and it's a hypocritical stand. And it's a shame.
@fm4real2k6 God bless you bro
@@fm4real2k6 that was 🔥🔥🔥
Every wrong doing or unrighteousness that will affect us or our fellow human being is a sin 1 John 5:17
So Damina drinks? You can trust the word of a drunk
Apostle Gideon Odoma is sound abeg
A genuine Christian does not need anyone to convince him/her that smoking and drinking of alcohol is a sin or bad.
@@seunagbolade8239 hahahaha so God will send His children to hell because they drank alcohol u guys are funny. Even David drank wine which is a strong drink so he is in hell fire? You guys used ur mentality of idol worship to follow Almighty God.
Serving God with hypocrisy
IT IS NOT A SIN!
Sorry, I don't know what Damina said about it nor Odoma but that is FACT!
The Bible does not forbid drinking! It is not about carnality! It is a fact. The church can recommend total abstention from drinking, which is good. But to then teach that drinking alcohol is sin, is an untruth!
The level of gross ignorance on the part of some believers supposedly is just incredible. The fact that we still argue things like drinking and smoking is a testament to the fact that men have a long way to go. God can't do anything serious with a man who is not consecrated; now ask yourself does smoking and drink enhance your relationship with Christ, does it deepen your consecration; how many men/and women that were drinkers and smokers pioneered revival ever or God did anything serious with. We try to be logical by saying the bible didn't explicitly say drinking is a sin; like the reverend here said the bible didn't say drinking sniper is a sin why don't you drink it😂, let us grow to maturity abeg
The level of gross ignorance on the part of some believers supposedly is just incredible. The fact that we still argue things like drinking and smoking is a testament to the fact that men have a long way to go. God can't do anything serious with a man who is not consecrated; now ask yourself does smoking and drink enhance your relationship with Christ, does it deepen your consecration; how many men/and women that were drinkers and smokers pioneered revival ever or God did anything serious with. We try to be logical by saying the bible didn't explicitly say drinking is a sin; like the reverend here said the bible didn't say drinking sniper is a sin why don't you drink it😂, let us grow to maturity abeg
In any debate apostle Gideon will flaw Abel
Put them on international TV and call all media houses to air the live broadcast and see if your Gideon would not resign as a pastor or not. Even I, put me on with your infant pastor and see how I make a mess of his life...
Make it happen nah!
You want to put your Gideon to shame right?
Y'all will be disappointed in his inconsistencies and lack of proper knowledge of the word.
See, I'm 100% sure your Odoma will never even want to try it.
But if you have his ear, and he is been saying it, then let us know, we can make it happen.
Damina is not afraid of any platform, he will be interested.
It is clear that you guys overestimate damina. Someone that always contradict himself in scriptures. Gideon IS SOUND THAN your pastor. @@Danitolonz1
@@fm4real2k6you guys think you make sense when you overestimate damina. Knowing scriptures is not quoting more of it to confuse your followers. Arome and Gideon will flaw your pastor anytime any day. Shouting is not equal to have the accurate knowledge of the word. Arome has always wants a debate for clarity. Why damina nor answer.
@@desmondodiah8703 Arome or what did u call it again?... u are a joke
Sometimes listen to the full message before making a sermon on another pastor teaching.
Damina preaches a little truth mixed with lies. He is Subtly working for the devil to send people to hell. Lord help your children to overcome this evil.
Its simple knowledge, alcohol is not a sin and i got born again very early so alcohol was never a challenge. Forget this biko, preach another thing
But see your life now
@adejodaniel4239 my life so so beautiful, you cannot even begin to imagine. Thank you Jesus
Titus 3:3, 5
[3] For we ourselves were once foolish, disobedient, and wrong. We were slaves to passions and pleasures of all kinds. We spent our lives in malice and envy; others hated us and we hated them.
[5] he saved us. It was not because of any good deeds that we ourselves had done, but because of his own mercy that he saved us, through the Holy Spirit, who gives us new birth and new life by washing us.
Drunkenness is listed among the work of the flesh in Galatians chapter 5
@@jumokeolajideajire8021 but not drinking alcohol or smoking... The focus of scriptures is for us to do all things in moderation. If what been said is true, then those smoking in cold regions of the world are sinners, those that inhale smoking because they are around the smokers are sinners, everyone (including you and the preacher) that eat processed/preserved food are sinners because it have some alcoholic content also, if you choose the jew traditional you will find out the best wine in the wedding at Canaan was a highly alcoholic concentrated wine.... You can make your judgement now
@jumokeolajideajire8021 Right. But drunkenness and drinking are not the same thing!
Drinking and smoking not sins. Just be aware of the consequences. It’s a choice. Dr Damina is not the only preacher who said this. Pastor Chris, pastor Paula d other said it. Why is he picking on Dr DaMina. All of that saying dr damina preaches a little truth mixed with lies ought to go back and listened to him very well. Seems like most you are wallowing in ignorance.
i am not here to argue. but I think even pastor odoma is doing too much to explain his point. As he rightly said subtly
1. It was the church that adopted the idea of not drinking alcohol at all in other to assist in avoiding drunkenness.
2. He also subtly confirmed that it was not a physical fruit that they consumed as against what the church has been teaching us. if you ask most people they think it's an Apple only because all the teachings in the church portrayed it has a physical fruit. Pastor Damina could be extreme sometimes but I submit that he has dared to tell more truth than many of the generals. Above all I stand to say Mensah Otabil is doing a perfectly wonderful job in daring to speak the truth for Christianity. Most of the messages or pastors carry are tales passed from generation to generation. In the you it was a not so. Be wise people. Obtain the truth for yourself and
Whenever anything you do has a bad influence to the body of Christ Jesus, it advised by Saint Paul that you should quit out of love for others and for peace and unity in the body of Christ.
Smoking and uncontrolled drinking of alcohol, which could both lead to habitual addictions also fall into this category to be avoided by all Christians.
According Romans 14:15-16
15. If you hurt your brother or sister because of something you eat, then you are no longer acting from love. Do not let the food that you eat ruin the person for whom Christ died! 16. Do not let what you regard as good get a bad name.
I believe this issue has been sorted out permanently and this not up for any debate to bend the scriptures in ways of men and their earthly pleasures.
1 Thessalonians 5:22
Flee every appearance of evil. Those who follow Abel Damina do so at risk to their soul.
What Bible talked about is moderation... And that applies to everything we do
Whenever anything you do has a bad influence to the body of Christ Jesus, it advised by Saint Paul that you should quit out of love for others and for peace and unity in the body of Christ.
Smoking and uncontrolled drinking of alcohol, which could both lead to habitual addictions also fall into this category to be avoided by all Christians.
According Romans 14:15-16
15. If you hurt your brother or sister because of something you eat, then you are no longer acting from love. Do not let the food that you eat ruin the person for whom Christ died! 16. Do not let what you regard as good get a bad name.
I believe this issue has been sorted out permanently and this not up for any debate to bend the scriptures in ways of men and their earthly pleasures.
The problem with you bloggers is that you guys cut and join.
After going to listen to the full clip of that Damina teaching there is nothing Gideon is saying that wasnt covered except for a few.
Gideon did a good job with his rebuttals based on the view he is sharing but he ignored one fundamental, because you decided to ignore doing something doesn't mean doing it is a sin.
Because I refuse to drink because I will be drunk doesn't mean if I drink I will be drunk
Those who wants to drink like Pastor Damina logics
Whenever anything you do has a bad influence to the body of Christ Jesus, it advised by Saint Paul that you should quit out of love for others and for peace and unity in the body of Christ.
Smoking and uncontrolled drinking of alcohol, which could both lead to habitual addictions also fall into this category to be avoided by all Christians.
According Romans 14:15-16
15. If you hurt your brother or sister because of something you eat, then you are no longer acting from love. Do not let the food that you eat ruin the person for whom Christ died! 16. Do not let what you regard as good get a bad name.
I believe this issue has been sorted out permanently and this not up for any debate to bend the scriptures in ways of men and their earthly pleasures.
Where there are specifics, do not apply generic and vice versa. I hear this one.
With all that he's said and tried to explain, he has not dealt with where he started from. Is drinking alcohol a sin?? Try not to say much without saying anything. Am a keen learner, but I feel he's not answering the question.
Whenever anything you do has a bad influence to the body of Christ Jesus, it advised by Saint Paul that you should quit out of love for others and for peace and unity in the body of Christ.
Smoking and uncontrolled drinking of alcohol, which could both lead to habitual addictions also fall into this category to be avoided by all Christians.
According Romans 14:15-16
15. If you hurt your brother or sister because of something you eat, then you are no longer acting from love. Do not let the food that you eat ruin the person for whom Christ died! 16. Do not let what you regard as good get a bad name.
I believe this issue has been sorted out permanently and this not up for any debate to bend the scriptures in ways of men and their earthly pleasures.
@Chinotheisraelite selective application! Do you know how much bad influence the ostentatious show put up by these pastors have on other believers? Why don't they quit them?
@@OliverKondehNdula the context here is in regards to what we consume into our body such as cigarettes smoke, alcohol from strong drinks, etc
I believe he answered the question of whether Adam and Eve ate anything or not.
Damina clearly said they didn't eat anything.
@Chinotheisraelite i know the context brother. But I am saying that the advise that we ought to deceast from things that can hurt others ought to apply in every area. Paul actually talked abstaining from food, which is seemingly harmless for the sake of love of the other.
They're all losing focus jare. If there's anything they have against one another, let them call for a debate and put it live on TH-cam or they should focus son their callings
The problem we have is we allow dis men to decide the scriptures for us
Luke 7:34
The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and you say, ‘Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners.’
So many pastor's coming against damina are doing that because of tithe and rubbish prosperity message de'v been deceiving us with, Because Damina is crashing there business so they'r looking for every means to get at him
The level at which this pastor is attacking Damina,
When Bishop David oyedepo said he is wiser than job in the bible and he said because job is not a tither that was why there was no security to his wealth
And das the reason devil was able to afflict job, when oyedepo said all of that none of this so call pastors was able to come out to tell him das a lie.
Papa Adeboye said if you don't pay thith you won't make heaven,
None of this pastors came out to open scriptures against that lie but is on Abel Damina's head you guys can open scriptures
HYPOCRITES IN THE NAME OF PASTORS
Abeg mr Gideon go and sleep
Could you debate Damina and present the scriptures side by side?
May God give you understanding sir.
Obviously you dont know Apostle Gideon Odoma
Lol do you know rev Gideon is an apologist?
Used to public debates even among Muslim clerics.
I wonder .were the members understanding.
Why not, if they are not, they won't be coming back.
Considering he is not soft on sin, he is the prosperity teacher, neither is he die by fire kind of minister, so what else will draw people to a church aside these, if not the true word of God.
I have said this, the Damani pastor is something else… Mt 5, Jesus did not give us that sermon for us to be playing hanky panky… It’s that hanky-panky Jesus was doing away with…
Food is not a sin but gluttony is. But you cannot be a glutton without eating food. Oga, leave this matter, Abel Damina is very correct on this one
Thank you. moderation is the key
God gave us a food to eat when God didn't tell us he gave us alcohol. God gave us food
God gave us food as a gift we humans invented alcohol for ourselves
@@ichipienaefe3950 Whenever anything you do has a bad influence to the body of Christ Jesus, it advised by Saint Paul that you should quit out of love for others and for peace and unity in the body of Christ.
Smoking and uncontrolled drinking of alcohol, which could both lead to habitual addictions also fall into this category to be avoided by all Christians.
According Romans 14:15-16
15. If you hurt your brother or sister because of something you eat, then you are no longer acting from love. Do not let the food that you eat ruin the person for whom Christ died! 16. Do not let what you regard as good get a bad name.
I believe this issue has been sorted out permanently and this not up for any debate to bend the scriptures in the ways of men and their earthly pleasures.
Whenever anything you do has a bad influence to the body of Christ Jesus, it advised by Saint Paul that you should quit out of love for others and for peace and unity in the body of Christ.
Smoking and uncontrolled drinking of alcohol, which could both lead to habitual addictions also fall into this category to be avoided by all Christians.
According Romans 14:15-16
15. If you hurt your brother or sister because of something you eat, then you are no longer acting from love. Do not let the food that you eat ruin the person for whom Christ died! 16. Do not let what you regard as good get a bad name.
I believe this issue has been sorted out permanently and this not up for any debate to bend the scriptures in the ways of men and their earthly pleasures.
If drinking was bad, why will Jesus himself turned water into wine? All these law preachers will never get it.
I don't understand what he is driving at.... He hasn't address anything. Is alcohol sin? Alcohol is in our carbohydrates. What does Jesus means by what a man eats doesn't defile a man. He should please hit the point.
May God give you understanding...
Do not be drunk with wine 🍷 wherein it’s excess... prevention is better than cheap cure.. if you don’t drink it’s not possible for you to get drunk 🥴 sir
@s_johnsonn4 okay sir.... Sebi na wine Jesus turn water to? My argument is wine is not a sin, too much is bad because it intoxicate. Is that not clear enough? I don tire abeg. Paul advices Timothy to use it for medical purposes.
This man knows how to open the bible
Most overweight is as a result of over feeding which is a sin.
smoking and drinking is not a sin,but you must be ready for the consequences... lungs decease, cancer,TB and lots more
I won't be surprised if Damina bibs alcoholic wine in secret. The way he defends it needs to be studied.
Hmm
Rev Giideon Odoma is a Christian Apologist , studied Apologetics. So make una dey prepared😅
There is a book which is our single source of truth, this pastor Gideon should open the book
One mishake we make as Christians is to reduce the bible to the point where we have to drag it into every petty issue. As believers we are allowed to adopt a culture and way of life and decide that we will use paper to print the bible amd not scrolls. We csn also say we wont wear black on sundays etc we can decide that we as believers shoudnt drink alcohol as a people because of the side effects, be it medical, spiritual or intellectual. Its common sense.
I think they both agreed alcohol is not a sin, but drunkenness is the problem. Is it possible to drink without getting drunk or addicted to it, 100% it is possible. Just like the way some take coffee and carbonated soft drinks without getting addicted to it, but some get addicted to them.
Overall, Christians should avoid drinking because you might actually know the quantity that get you drunk, but sometimes it would fail if your body is altered by a new dish you try or some medications.The same one bottle that doesn't get you drunk before may get you drunk the day your body system is altered.
Whenever anything you do has a bad influence to the body of Christ Jesus, it advised by Saint Paul that you should quit out of love for others and for peace and unity in the body of Christ.
Smoking and uncontrolled drinking of alcohol, which could both lead to habitual addictions also fall into this category to be avoided by all Christians.
According Romans 14:15-16
15. If you hurt your brother or sister because of something you eat, then you are no longer acting from love. Do not let the food that you eat ruin the person for whom Christ died! 16. Do not let what you regard as good get a bad name.
I believe this issue has been sorted out permanently and this not up for any debate to bend the scriptures in ways of men and their earthly pleasures.
My issues with this type of men of God is that they have time to debate Damina but will be quiet when another men of God they revere utters heresy, i dnt see this man say anything to a man of God that says Poverty in the life of a man is an indication of sin or that material wealth is a sign of Holiness. They won't say anything when A man of God claims to be disappearing from france amd appearing in germany and saying its normal. Noo you will not here anything from them. But let Damina say one thing Then they all have an entire sermon to correct him. Anyways Its a question of perspective to this people now...but my take I will listen to what they say and then by God's Grace I will wait for Godo to help me discern which is true.
They have responded to all of those types of teaching, it's only when they respond to Damina that's when you people show interest
@sunkanmikitibi it seems you are a Damina fan or you enjoy the heresis and mistakes he preaches. I don't have issues with Damina, but truth is, Damina preaches so much error.
Saying smoking cigarette, marijuana, etc is not a sin, can you as a child of GOD smoke these drugs on evangelism and expect to win souls for CHRIST.
What does he want to achieve in all this type of controversial preaching?
Then you simply haven't engaged with the RCN clan . They fear no man but God
If you think that teleporting is not possible then you don't know what Christianity is about. In late 2022 I saw two men of a God in a vision who were not true, and the lord said about the second one " He is yet to recieve salvation". Two days after my elder brother sends a link about a man of talking n misrepresentx the principle of grace. Guess whonit was Damina.. that was my first time of seeing him n he was the the person in my vision who was yet to be safe. From his messages it is obvious that man is not of God. He does not divide the word of God rightly. He is a trapppp
@@raphaelatie7926 actually am not anyone's fan and my believe is that we all know in part. Having said that, there are some utterances that are way farther from truth than the others that's my point. When someone says drinking alcohol is not a sin. He is saying that based on what is written in the Bible which is not a moral standard. It's different from when someone said we will still pay tithe in heaven or that the fruit Adam and eve ate in the garden of Eden is tithe. Which to u is more unheard of
It true
Rev. God bless you Sir....Furthermore,there is a need to compare scripture with Scriptures and spiritual with spiritual....but you got it right Sir.....many church people don't have the time to study on their own so anything goes....
2 Peter 3:15-16 KJV
And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; [16] As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
Chai. Trickery and wickedness
They are called Super Apostles.
Does alcohol consumption constitute sin?
The simple answer is no. Food or drink consumption does not constitute sin.
The question should be; does immoderate consumption of alcohol constitute sin? Yes
Moderation or temperance is a virtue or fruit of the Spirit. The opposite of moderation leads one to commit the sin of excesses either in drinking (drukness) or eating (gluttony).
Therefore all things must be done in moderation with consideration to the laws of God and the effect of excesses on physical, mental and spiritual faculties.
Excess alcohol impairs our faculty of judgement, such that we would be unable to carry out sound judgment when under the influence. So you can drink or avoid it all together as long as it does not take away your ability to make sound judgement.
I leave us with the words of our lord Jesus himself inMatthew 15:10-11, 16-20 (KJV)
" And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand:
Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man....
And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?
Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?
But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man."
By the way, this does not change the fact that Damina is a heretic and to listen to his erroneous teachings will bring about your damnation faster than excess alcohol or drunkeness.
Abel Damina is not a heretic. Stop disgracing yourself in public space. If you don't know someone enough, be careful what you say about him.
@@collinsejikeme25 he is a heretic.
And it is obvious that you are one of his fanatical followers who do not like it when people question the validity of his false doctrines.
Damina has commited countless heresies like claiming that God changed during the incarnation, the incarnate Christ is different from the resurrected Christ, the eucharistic is "rubbish", God does not give children...and so on.
He even went as far as to claim that Adam was not the first man created by God.
How many heresies of this charlatan can we count?
Damina is a blasphemer, a charlatan and a dubious heretic. And if you do not cease to follow his heretical teachings, then you will end up in everlasting perdition with him. Seperate yourself now from him before it is too late.
@@collinsejikeme25 damina is a heretic.
And you're obviously a blind and fanatical disciple of his.
@@collinsejikeme25 I have warned you. I'm not here to argue with his fanatical followers
Follow him at your own peril
@@EzinwaChibuzor we are not here to abuse each other. Follow community guidelines when reacting. Bless you.
Drinking isn't a sin, and neither is smoking.
But a man who has grown and focused on christ will not be attracted by most things that are more pleasurable for the flesh.
As we grow in the pursuance of christ, the more we stop responding to life by our 5 sense organs and that in no way is saying all things the flesh does is wrong.
Keep deceiving yourself. You can't master the flesh by feeding it's desires.
If you like mature, the flesh will master you if you gives in to it's desires.
I put my under subjection.. . He didn't say as I mature they fall out.
In addition to what the man of God has said, is there any who can determine at what point of drinking he/she will be drunk so as to stop at the point to avoid drunkeness? None. So, to avoid drunkeness, don't lay the foundation through drinking. If you say my I don't take more than 2 bottles, one day, the aura (demons) of the drinking environment will move you to 3 bottles and off you go.Shalom.
The problem i see here is that truth is too heavy for most Christians, because human beings like and love Law, so when someone says according to scriptures the intake of alcohol is not a sin, something in their minds revolts, even Jesus christ had to explain what the scriptures really mean to his disciples.. The bible is not a book for moral instructions even though some of those this are contained in it, it has a particular and delibrate message.
Note: im not a drunk and i dont drink😅, be 4 someone will think im supporting what i do.
Oga watch again and understand don't be a cretin
Mark 7 =14=23
This is not a perfect rebuttal. Gluttony is a sin but eating is not, alcohol is not a sin but drunkenness is a sin. He failed to draw that line
Apostle Gideon is not arguing with Abel Damina... He's only pointing out how Abel Damina seeks attention by using the shock effect.
And since people don't study, they follow him cheapishly
@@ikagwusunday1566 So what is bad in that?
Is that suppose to even be his focus?
Why can't he focus on rebutall using scriptures rather than focusing on the way the man delivers his messages.
Is that not busybody?
@fm4real2k6 Imagine, you can't even see what's bad in a man of God being crafty and trickish in passing around venoms.
I think your case is not ordinary
@@ikagwusunday1566
Dude, if you are born again into the Christ of the scriptures, and not just another-jesus, then you won't be arguing blindly where.
Damina has shown his bias, that ist Christ and Christ alone, and tha Bible is the book of Salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
And Damina is pursuing that vigorously in ALL his teachings, questioning, podcast and explanations.
So if you have problems with Christ if the scriptures, maybe you need to check yourself, check your Bible and also check if you have not been carrying about another-gospel serving another-jesus as said in 2 Corinthians 11:4 KJV
That's my advice to you.
@fm4real2k6 lolz
That's where the problem with Damina and his followers lies.
The bible is not the book of salvation throughout Faith only.
The doctrine of salvation (soteria) is just one out of many doctrines in the bible.
In fact, salvation through Faith is but a basic foundation, the entire bible is not about salvation through Faith.
When you are saved, there's a Kingdom life to live. 2 Corinthians 5:15. "...He died for all that they who live should henceforth not live unto themselves..."
Hebrews 6:1 "Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection..."
Like I said, the entire bible is not about salvation through Faith and it's not about the doctrine of Christ (Christology) alone.
The bible says we should move on unto perfection.
Soteria and Christology are only an elementary faction of the entire scriptures.
Abel Damina just repented from dupping people , and in order to remain relevant, he's he's paverting the scriptures up and down using people's ignorance.
Like the man of God rightly said, Damina is only using the shock effect to cash people like you.
If the whole work of God and walk with God is about salvation through faith, we should have died the day we believed.
You've got to study the bible for yourself, Abel Damina is riding on your Ignorance to feel relevant.
Jesus talked about eating.
he said "unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood you can not have life"
the eating is not literal.
bible interpretation is the key. And many so called men of God are doing a poor job at it.
Mtcheeew, I don’t even need to listen to Gideon’s points, he obviously wrong, he is only trying to protect his power and influence over his congregation
And that is exactly what Damina is doing to you people. See truth before your eyes but you can't accept it.
A right thinking mind knows the right place to be without any body keeping them by manipulation.
i don’t think i’ve ever read someone as foolish as yourself
This says alot abt u bcos odoma neva said drink and and cigarette is a sin he only gave a balanced view to it whc Damina failed to do in his usual way trying to play on gullible minds like urs pls study the bible for urself and let the Holyspirit be ur teacher
Whenever anything you do has a bad influence to the body of Christ Jesus, it advised by Saint Paul that you should quit out of love for others and for peace and unity in the body of Christ.
Smoking and uncontrolled drinking of alcohol, which could both lead to habitual addictions also fall into this category to be avoided by all Christians.
According Romans 14:15-16
15. If you hurt your brother or sister because of something you eat, then you are no longer acting from love. Do not let the food that you eat ruin the person for whom Christ died! 16. Do not let what you regard as good get a bad name.
I believe this issue has been sorted out permanently and this not up for any debate to bend the scriptures in ways of men and their earthly pleasures.
Whatever is not of faith is sin..
“The son of man came and is drinking and you call him a wine babbler”
My joy is that none of these preachers wrote the Bible, they all met the Bible on earth when they were born so no one has a monopoly of knowledge of the scripture.
Bible says we have all received an anointing from the HolySpirit and we need no man to teach you but the HolySpirit will teach you all things.
Take the Bible, ask the HolySpirit for help to understand it and begin to study it… sometimes simplicity if king… God has made the Bible very simple to understand. If you conscience condemn you then you are in error!!
God bless pst Abel damia
@@fidelisfidelis6567 shameee
He found a man who helps him Romans sin😂😂😂@@sheyemile1614
God bless Rev Gideon
God bless Rev. Gideon and deliver Damina.
The problem is that you are out to defend what Abel Damina said and not to show by scripture.
You go explaaiinnnnnn tire 😅
No mind am 😂
No way Dr Damina said Alcohol is not sin, he never addressed drunkgardness.
Alcohol is not a sin , Cigarettes is not a sin. FULL STOP
Don't stop doing it with time you will know whether it is or not
@@bolbisumdavidabraham6311tell them again. fools,
@@bolbisumdavidabraham6311 I appreciate your response, and just wanted to say so. . . Just employs common sense. ❤
The level
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Damina fear this MOG. 😂😂😂😂 he has never replied him
He replies him, Only you have hearing problem. Anyone preaching any other gospel should be cursed apart from what the Apostle has preached should be accursed. No additions to what has been preached.
Jesus called the crowd to him and said, "Listen and understand. What goes into a man's mouth does not make him `unclean,' but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him `unclean. '"We must learn to distinguish between spiritual matters and fleshy matters. what God requires give to God, what common sense require give in to common sense. Give to Ceasar whats Ceasar's, give to God what's God's. Legalism does not make you righteous. This Rev is wrong.
In trying to put this online to show which is right, try and put the two messages like you did but try as much as you can to put Pastor Damina's message as you have done with Pastor Gideons; cause I won't lie I feel like Damina is being attacked here and I don't even know from what message you got the short clip you put from, you took Pst Gideons message of more than 10min to tackle a message of just 20sec if not less that don't know anything about, like the way you made sure we followed every detail as well as examples of Pastor Gideon, let us have that same privilege to know where Pastor Damina is coming from.
What I am trying to say which is clear is, please put the two long messages together so we can be the judge and not you, I know you are trying to pass a good message based on the conviction you believe to be true but it that let us have something tentative and qualitative to see so we could decide for ourselves.
Thank you
Noted! However the Damina Message has been on circulation widely, so I believe most have seen it. And those were the highlights of the discussion. That's why I shared those few seconds
@PortalsMediaNetwork
So in this case, like for someone like me that is just coming across both the messages, how do you expect me to fully comprehend the whole issue and solutions.
And finally, I just would want you to always be of full details rather than believing we already know what has been going on so that it won't bring about disregard or disrespect unto the body of Christ.
Thank you for all you do and God bless you 🙏🏾, more grace ❤️.
YOU ARE NOT DOING WELL AT ALL, WHY DO YOU MAKE DR. DAMINA LOOK STUPID WHEREAS YOU ALL NEED TO LEARN FROM HIM, BECAUSE AFTER LISTENING TO ALL THAT APOSTLE GIDEON SAID HERE, IT IS OBVIOUS THAT HE WAS QUOTING BOTH SCRIPTURE AND DR. DAMINA OUT OF CONTEXT. THEY SHOULD JUST ALLOW DR DAMINA.
Whenever anything you do has a bad influence to the body of Christ Jesus, it advised by Saint Paul that you should quit out of love for others and for peace and unity in the body of Christ.
Smoking and uncontrolled drinking of alcohol, which could both lead to habitual addictions also fall into this category to be avoided by all Christians.
According Romans 14:15-16
15. If you hurt your brother or sister because of something you eat, then you are no longer acting from love. Do not let the food that you eat ruin the person for whom Christ died! 16. Do not let what you regard as good get a bad name.
I believe this issue has been sorted out permanently and this not up for any debate to bend the scriptures in ways of men and their earthly pleasures.
If you christans truly have the holy Spirit and read the Bible it will be clear who is right. If you want to hear half truths and truth in a teaching i will ask is that how Jesus taught? God standards will always be it doesn't change with high sounding teaching from Dr. Abel Damina that will make you more confuse than before. For christ sake scriptures is clear no one should come and bamboozle us this new year. May God give you understanding
The pride I'm seeing in Damina followers is worrying. Its like he has become a second Pope. No man is infallible.
It's strange and worrisome
Damina followers refused to be brainwashed anymore, das all
Rev. Gideon in the last 10years i haven’t been seeing you preach… preach and lets understand, whatever you are preaching that has nothing to do with Christ is misleading….
Check his channel.
God bless you brotherly.
At least Damina has shown his bias. It's Christ and Christ alone. And he is doing that vigorously.
Let Odoma show us his.
He can't be calming he has been preaching Christ for the past 20 years and charlatans are having field day. They nearly overrun us.
God bless you servant of God. Abel Damina is a false and dangerous teacher. What he preaches is absolutely evil. He may sprinkle his core message with certain truths here and there as a bait, but the hook is the falsehood that he peddles. That falsehood is Once Saved Always Saved. Continue in sin, Jesus is your substitute and nothing or no one can pluck you out of Jesus' or God's hand. What they fail to tell you is that you can sin and grieve the Holy Spirit. The bible says, "Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? God forbid!
But we have the spirit of God in us that bears witness with the truth Dr damina teaches
Sir, say "in Me" not "US"
Don't put urself on us....
Do you smoke?
I doubt you have the spirit of God
Change that to spirit of damina😂... It sure cannot be the spirit of God
@@Moviecornerrecap😂
Please preachers should stop attacking themselves from their pulpit, the pulpit is not a boxing ring.
What they should do is have an open discussion in the presence of an audience where they will discuss their understanding of scripture and throw more light on their beliefs. Not a debate but a discussion.
This is not what the Lord Jesus wants his church to hear each time they come to service rather they should hear the Gospel of the Kingdom and not battering each other… it is becoming very tiring and pathetic.
This one no just know anything
Whenever anything you do has a bad influence to the body of Christ Jesus, it advised by Saint Paul that you should quit out of love for others and for peace and unity in the body of Christ.
Smoking and uncontrolled drinking of alcohol, which could both lead to habitual addictions also fall into this category to be avoided by all Christians.
According Romans 14:15-16
15. If you hurt your brother or sister because of something you eat, then you are no longer acting from love. Do not let the food that you eat ruin the person for whom Christ died! 16. Do not let what you regard as good get a bad name.
I believe this issue has been sorted out permanently and this not up for any debate to bend the scriptures in ways of men and their earthly pleasures.
Those who do those things , work of fresh , adultery, fornication etc will not go heaven .
etc wat?..... keep mentioning them now
I don't know the bible, and God damina is talking about, why can't a preacher believe bible , it means he is not of God
Every man that hastily responses to Dr Abel Damina teachings has malice and mischievous motives and time will tell.
I also hope some day you will be open without biase whenever Damina is mentioned.
@@PortalsMediaNetwork
It's not about being bias... but about about right and wrong.
If you don't drink you won't get drunk, same way if you don't eat, you can't be a glutton. God is not against drinking but getting drunk, God is not against eating but overeating
If it's a sin. Apostle Paul will not tell his son Timothy to take a little wine
Is there any wine that doesn't have alcohol? Even the cake you all eat has alcohol.
Deut.14.26 - And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household
Now explain the verse above, God said they should buy whatever their soul lust after, wine or strong wine ..... Let's stop making doctrine from this, scripture is very clear
I don't take because I chose not to, not because it's a sin. The bible is against drunkenness and that's it, preach the word as it is, let's not add our personal convictions
Shalom
Loads of fools in this thread will never understand what is being explained here
I am ashamed at people's ignorance.
No need to curse anyone.
Whenever anything you do has a bad influence to the body of Christ Jesus, it advised by Saint Paul that you should quit out of love for others and for peace and unity in the body of Christ.
Smoking and uncontrolled drinking of alcohol, which could both lead to habitual addictions also fall into this category to be avoided by all Christians.
According Romans 14:15-16
15. If you hurt your brother or sister because of something you eat, then you are no longer acting from love. Do not let the food that you eat ruin the person for whom Christ died! 16. Do not let what you regard as good get a bad name.
I believe this issue has been sorted out permanently and this not up for any debate to bend the scriptures in ways of men and their earthly pleasures.
So your body is not the temple of the Holy spirit. So alcohol and cigar can be accommodated in the Holy spirit. The Bible said give strong drink to whoever that wants to perish.
God revealed to Moses that they ate. Higher prophet Abel D says they ate nothing 😅😅
Sir, is Alcohol a sin or not. This your explanation is not explaining
Is drinking alcohol and smoking cigarettes a sin pls Rev Gideon tell us
He won't answer you, the focus is Damina.
Everything is allowed, but not everything is beneficial. The easiest gateway/ portal for evil to takeover is alcohol
Go and ask World Health Organization -WHO. Something even the people that makes it says... You are liable to die young. You guys are waiting for Bible
1 cor 10:23, drinking is not a sin, however drunkeness in the general context is. Paul said "Everything is lawful, but not all things expedient". In your journey with God, you might get direct instruction from him not to drink anymore even though it is not a sin, if you drink you are in disobedience to God and disobedience is a sin.
@@ebizideinkoru9233 Is it not what Dr Damina been saying?
So people that smoke in very cold nation are sinning... Wow. Or the acholic content in most preserved food that we eat, that means we have sin... Or the wine jesus gave at the wedding at canaan that is alcohol is a sin... I know not what this guy ia saying
You can be drunk without drinking. However, that's not the topic.
My problem in this topic is that Nigerian Christians largely do not understand a simple metaphor and they attempt to use their emotions to interpret it to align with what they believe.
Was Apostle Paul asking Timothy to commit small sin ? Is this pastor more spiritually learned than apostle Paul himself?
Why does he think his members won't understand a well dissected truth ? He has been mentioning Pastor Abel Damina and it's fine, but once Pastor Abel Damina uses the bible to correct him, religious minds will become extremely irritated.
No matter how you stretch the scriptures to suit you and using the same to dislodge the truth, the truth remains the truth.
Was Jesus not aware of the "eating of the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil" metaphor before saying " it is not what a man eats that defiles him" ?
Think, people think. Stop letting these men switch off your intelligence. God gave us the brain to use it.
The question is: if Adam and Eve actually ate something and it was a literal eating, does it mean Jesus wanted his disciples to kill him and eat him like Cannibals ? Remember Jesus said "He who does not eat my flesh or drink my blood does not have a part in my kingdom"
The Bible is therefore full of metaphors that require interpretation.
Some pastors think their members are dumb.
Dear Pastor, after Jesus finished telling his disciples they must eat his flesh and drink his blood, did Peter and others jump on him to devour him ? There was a reason we were taught comprehension and summary in English and I'm glad I learned well.
I understand your bias. Which is obvious!
I would prefer that Rev. Gideon brings more clarity to what Damina said than to castigate him with some of the statement he has made. Damina has made many preachers to sit up and align with teaching of the true gospel. Damina has made more people to listen to the gospel in recent times with emphasy of Jesus Christ as the only way to obtain salvation on any platform he has spoken. He is not perfect and no one is. Please bring clarity and correction in love, not by name-calling.
Whenever anything you do has a bad influence to the body of Christ Jesus, it advised by Saint Paul that you should quit out of love for others and for peace and unity in the body of Christ.
Smoking and uncontrolled drinking of alcohol, which could both lead to habitual addictions also fall into this category to be avoided by all Christians.
According Romans 14:15-16
15. If you hurt your brother or sister because of something you eat, then you are no longer acting from love. Do not let the food that you eat ruin the person for whom Christ died! 16. Do not let what you regard as good get a bad name.
I believe this issue has been sorted out permanently and this not up for any debate to bend the scriptures in ways of men and their earthly pleasures.
@Chinotheisraelite Your reply is a different sermon. I believe Damina should have added this as part of his alcohol and smoking sermon too.
I have always asked people who supports both smoking and drinking ehh pls
(1)what are the health benefits ?
(2) important of alcohol and cigarettes to your body organs ?
(3) Does pastor ebel damina knows what is written on a cigarette packet 😂?
Collect mic and explain 🎤🎤
From Alcohol is not a sin argument u guys have graduate into cigarette is not a sin, fornication is not a sin.
Who do damina resemble in the bible, whose footsteps is him following? You can't say Jesus or Paul, because They never preach a message that make people comfortable with sin.
All the guys that don't like to be searious with God in our neighbourhood now say their pastor is Damina and still dey carry new girl home every weekend for sexual sin.
A message that can't convict a sinner is what u people now clap for
This is a man that said he has been preaching this gospel for 20 years. And i wondered what he is been preaching all this while and we never heard him while charlatans almost overrun us.
At least Damina has been pointedly clear on his bias. To him the Bible is the book of Jesus, and a book of salvation. And his focus is Christ and Christ ALONE . Amd he is been bery vigoris in his campaign about this.
He is very happy to carry his bias.
At least in Dr Daminas' teaching he tried to show it, and you can be rest assured all his yeachings will end in his Bias of Christ and Christ alone. He is been clear about that.
The question to others who are often against him is what is their own bias, what are rhey reading from their own binle, is it Jesus plus something else or what?
That is what we are saying here.
Thank you for your submission
They will ignore this your comment and argue to be religiously correct
Pick up your Bible and read. Many of you are now believing the camouflage over the truth. There's only one truth and that's the Bible.
No camouflage can change it. The fact that somebody repented of his previous error doesn't make him immune to that behaviour.
So don't use that as a metric. The only metric is the Bible.
@@TheDeeGlobal
Well if we aren't reading our Bibles, like Berean Christian we wouldn't be able to know and situate what a person like Dr Damina is preaching.
Meanwhile, of you had been reading your Bible, you would have seen in plain sight the inconsistencies of your MOG's, and persons like Odoma is not immuned.
And like I did Damina has shown his bias , and he is defending it, scriptures upon Scriptures and we are opening our Bibles to follow up on what he is saying.
Can it be said if your own MOG's?
See, we aren't the type, not even a person like me. I spent 24 yrs of my Christian life in organized religion and I m not stupid. When I see the truth I know it.
Where in the scriptures did you get the Idea that we all have our bias, and we should stick to our bias, and what does that even mean?
You think discrediting the truth of the OT and seemingly magnifying the NT is "preaching Christ and Christ alone"?, was it not this same Jesus that said all scriptures testify of me, and at the time He said that, scriptures was what we now have as the old testament.
It's again quite appalling that you think popularity is the yardstick for authenticity. What do you imply by mocking someone's assertion that he's been preaching for over 20 yrs?
Me I wonder what Bible you are reading from
Still trying to figure out his point 🤷♂️ how do you explain to people now that Jesus was corroborating sin when he turned water into wine at the wedding?
They ate from the tree of good an evil.
You don't eat a tree bark cuz its not food
So was it a literal fruit or a figurative expression. Note that Jesus had to speak in parables for understanding. His logic is flawed and I think he wants to prove a point and trend in the process.
The pastor is brazen saying all these things and contradicting himself. Being condescending as a follower of Christ and now who is deceiving who.
How do you draw conclusions when you say you're still trying to figure out his point.
Is it not obvious that your emotions reached the conclusion you typed here. Because your comments clearly shows you didn't understand him.
Can someone please help me to understand what he is saying without abuse but with open-mindedness to conversation? Thank you
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