Drawings of Dutch ships of the 17th century
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- In this video I talk about and show some drawings of Dutch ships from the 17th century...
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Another intriguing talk on a Pleasant Sunday! Thank you very much!
My pleasure!
Kroum, I would love to see a video on basic frame structures and changes from the 16th to the 18th centuries, with discussion of variations between nations. Thank you for being a veritable font of knowledge for us modelers. -Kurt
Great suggestion!
A most interesting topic. A video on framing history/development would be greatly appreciated!
Thank you!
I am already working on this topic...
Thank you, Doctor.
Wonderfully informative.
However, if you're not careful, I shall be watching you for your comedic asides, as much as your historic content. ðð
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As always, thank you for the information! I was at the convention and saw Olha, this Saturday but sadly you were not there. Maybe next year!
I hope to see you next year!
Wonderful presentation. Made my Sunday. This gives me a good incentive to start collecting this data in the hope of building one of these fine ships some time in the future to reflect the Maritime history of 1677 even though no specific drawings of these dutch ships in Tobago exist. . . As always your videos are greatly appreciated. Kevin
Thank you very much for watching!
Glad it was helpful!
I actually like your Master's Thesis quite well.
This is very kind of you! I do stand by the data. The excavation of Warwick (1619 wrecked) confirms the data. However the style of writingâĶ ponderous is a polite way to describe it :-) For years I have been thinking of publishing an article based on it but after a major rewriting.
Thank you very much for this beautiful presentation. I would like to add that some of the drawings have been published in Frank Howard's book "Sailing Ships of War". Also, Shipyard offers a very nice cardboard model (in two scales) of the 3 masted yacht which only slightly differs in size and gunport arrangement. They dated their model in the 1620ties under the name Papegojan - at least 20 years too early in my opinion.
Last year I visited the UelvesbÞller shipwreck which gives some impression of the technique of dutch shipbuilding and frame arrangement. But it is a rather small ship and I don't know how well this extrapolates to larger vessels. It is a very interesting topic indeed. So I hope that one day your findings will be available for the general public.
Thank you so much for your comment and kind words! Yes, these are the same drawings from Howard. I have seen photos of the Papegojan and you may well be right that the inspiration for it are these drawings.
My friend Taras Pevny who recently reminded me of these drawings is in the process of studying them, though I donât know when he will publish his findings. Until he does, I, obviously, canât study them specifically.
One day, however, when I find myself with leisure time to spare (meaning after I publish the 40 or so sites that I have to!) I may sit down and redraw the lines of these vessels and run hydrostatic analysis to see how they stack.
There is a mid-17th c wreck of a middling-sized merchant ship that was excavated by the Dutch some decades ago. It has a cursory publication but no detail technical study, as far as I am aware. However what is visible of the frames coincides with what we see in smaller vessels, on Vasa and on Batavia. And on the jachr Vergulde Draeckâs fragments (for it is no more that survives of her), on the Mauritius, etc. Thus the method is well-attested in the archaeological record for variety of sized . In fact, for smaller coastal and inner waters craft, they continued to be built this way into the 19th c.
You inspired me to take a quick dive into historic Dutch measures. Now my head hurts. Feet with 11 inches, why? 12 I am used to .10 ,I get. 11?! Did the Dutch have six toes on one foot and five on the other?
The different towns, regions, provinces were fiercely independent and steeped deep in their traditional rights and privileges that date to the Dark Ages almost. In fact this is how the troubles with the Spanish Habsburg began: the Habsburgs attempted to rationalize the measures and taxes ignoring the local traditions. We know how that ended!
I missed the part where you are telling us where/how we can find these drawings? Thanks!
They are in the maritime museum in Amsterdam, I believe. Taras Pevny is studying them and I am looking forward to his analysis of them.
@@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist Thanks a lot!
Hello Dr. Batchvarov! This is quite interesting, are these the same drawings Ab Hoving is writing about in his article published in the Nautical Research Journal (65.1, Spring 2020)? In that article his conclusion is pretty much the exact opposite of this video, namely that the paper used in the drawing seems to date from a later period than depicted, and most notably a nice (or rather an accurate) model can't be built from them since a 3D model shows that a ship made from these drawings wouldn't actually float that well... Have there perhaps been further studies since mr. Hoving's that again reverse the conclusions?
As far as I am aware, the paper has been subjected to tests that proved it to be 17th century. Personally I havenât seen the analysis, but seems to be pretty conclusive. Ab Hoving is a man whom I deeply respect and would never dismiss his opinion lightly. He has done a lot about bringing better understanding of Dutch shipbuilding to the front. His work has been very influential for me.
Absolutely awesome content and very pleasant way of communication. Only point of critique would be the microphone used, as it slightly sounds as if covered by a sock.
It's because of a broken microphone! I need to buy a new...
@@OlhaBatchvarov As I work my way through your other videos, I noticed this being an odd one out, sound wise.
I absolutely love your content and style of presentation.
If I didn't have many other expensive hobbies already, I'd be into model building.
Thank you for your work, very much appreciated!
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The channel is not exactly an earning proposition. We are aware that there is a microphone issue and need to upgrade it, but somehow havenât yet been able to do so.
Point well taken though!
Great margin of improvement when it comes to the voice audio quality that is not on par with the quality of your content and your Dutch pronunciation ð Thanks for sharing.
Thank you for your kind words. Alas, my Dutch pronunciation tends to puzzle the Dutch ðThey tend not to recognize the words I am trying to pronounce. Microphone- it needs to be replaced with better quality, but the budget for it does not exist. The channel is not exactly a financially rewarding proposition :-)
I am Flemish and am puzzled by the Dutch pronunciation most of the time ð
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