Owen Jones meets Pablo Iglesias
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- During my recent journey around Spain, supporting Podemos in their quest to change the face of Spanish politics, I met up with the party's leader Pablo Iglesias. The interview was filmed on his campaign bus on the final day of campaigning before Spain's historic general elections. We discussed Pablo Iglesias's political beliefs, how Podemos has grown to be such a force in Spanish politics in such a short time and the future of Jeremy Corbyn's Labour, Alexis Tsipras and Syriza and the left in Europe.
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Owen: ¿do you like to drink a relaxing cup of café con leche in plaza mayor?
+Perendones Ja ja ja. La stupida esa... Que verguenza la mujer de Aznar por dios! Estos chorizos del PP me dan verguenza ajena, y no soy Espagnola. La ex-alcaldesa de Valencia y su pandilla de ladrones me dan escalofrios. Uy! Que asco de gentuza con su Formula Uno y nada de calefaccion en los collegios...
As requested, there are now English subtitles. Adam says he typed them up pretty quickly, so apologies for any typos. We've tried to make them as clear as possible without changing the meaning.
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Sorry about the rough editing on this one. Camera is shaky as we couldn't carry tripods/mounts around Spain (I know at least one person who will probably find this annoying). I've covered up the worst of it with other pictures. Didn't have much time to cut this after getting back and before Christmas, so it's a bit rough and ready. We'll be back just after the New Year.
Hope you all have a great break!
+Adam Sich 50 fps as well!
Yeah, it looks nice doesn't it? Yannis (who was in Spain with us) filmed this one. He had to do the whole thing handheld, on a shaky bus travelling from Murcia to Valencia. Think he did an amazing job considering the conditions.
I'm going to look into whether the cameras I usually use will do 50fps. I do like the smoother motion.
+Adam Sich it takes little getting used to and if you're a purist you'll hate it. You use canon c300 right? They should have a 50p settings but won't be full hd
Close,.. c100. Don't think it does have 50fps off the top of my head. Did you get the camera type just from looking at the picture?
+Adam Sich i remember seeing the camera in some b roll on another video, new is was a c something . C100 shoots full HD and 50fps so go nuts with it! Do some slow motion of Owen drinking tea!
"That was a lot better than my spanish." jajajaja
Jajaja = hahaha
Well, there is a reason for that, don't you think? English is a lingua franca, consequently, every major politician should be fluent in it. His English is, mildly put, poor
Que dominio del inglés tiene Errejon
Es clavado, tío XDD
Whenever Pablo says "At the same time", take a shot.
Groovy Smith jajajajajajaja, like in how i met your moteje with Robin: "but, em" 😂😂
Well... maybe you need to learn spanish to understand that he have a better communication in his mother language. And then you will appreciate the message that he try to say to the people.
Primero de todo, soy español, así que soy consciente de la dicción
y el nivel de vocabulario del señor Iglesias. Mi comentario fue una pequeña
broma, nada más. No hay que sentirse ofendido o atacado por todo, hombre.
Por cierto, es he has y he tries. Recuerda la tercera
persona en inglés ;). Un saludo.
Ya mi inglés es una mierda ¿Y tú que quieres con la mierda de educación que tenemos donde todo es una mecanización (pero no un aprendizaje) para convertirnos en robots y "actores bienpensantes"? Igual eso no me justifica, tengo que aprender más eso sí jeje Y tranquilo no me ofusco, solo era un apreciación de mi parte. Creo que hay que valorar positivamente el hecho de que, al menos, se exprese en el idioma del entrevistador.
Un saludo.
I loved the quality & accuracy of the typed captions Owen ! Having a hearing loss ,I do hope that you shall repeat this option again on all your video broadcasts.This would be a benefit for all members of the deaf community in the UK.
Bless him apologising for his English, he was brilliant! He seems like a really nice, genuine guy.
cx45830 he is not
Pablo Iglesias is one of the best English Speakers. Try to listen others Spanish politicians. The Spanish PM is worse and has poor level.
I live in Spain. These guys are, first of all, a breath of fresh air that have both shaken up national politics and given hope to the many decent and smart people who thought they had no one decent enough to vote for (except perhaps Izquierda Unida). Secondly, they are highly prepared and very intelligent people, occasionally even toying with opposing politicians or tough interviews. The problem is that Spain (like many western countries) has a large percentage of ignorant who are blinded by patriotism and their or their own antique traditions and see them as a threat, and the portrait they get by most of the media is not the best either considering they haven't been in corruption scandals like the others. Still I am glad they appeared and hope to see them win someday and take out the trash in this country for once and for all. Many people cling to this hope. IMO the sooner all countries start creating citizen parties like Podemos, the better for all of us. Far right intolerant parties is not the way. We have to be human and unite, now more than ever.
MimM mejor explicado no podría estar. Estoy de acuerdo contigo
It's fascinating what is happening in the world of politics after decades of meaningless parties that didn't offer a viable alternative. Spain, Ireland, UK and Bernie Sanders in USA to name a few, are all finally offering something different! A fairer society, perhaps people before profit? Peace before war? Freedom before dictatorship or fascism? Hope before despair?
Probably not for a while, but what's happening is definitely a step in the right direction
+Chris Taylor newsflash,teh parties that have ruled in the last decade are the parties similar to Bernie Sanders.
TheTruthTeller Not really
- Tony Blair's Labour
- Gordon Brown's Labour
- George Bush's Republicans
- Obama's Democrats
Just to name a few, how are they similar to Bernie Sanders?
+AFGuidesHD I'm not sure of the relevance of your comment. Hitlers rise to power was because of the previous governments failure to the German people. They were left without hope, when a government doesn't that, desperation sets in. It seems the current governments and media(most of) are creating the same hatred towards Muslims as the Nazis did towards the Jews.
+AFGuidesHD thanks for the suggestion I will look into it. Not a direct comparison to the Nazis, other than they use propaganda to deceive the public to try and cause hate for the wrong reasons. I think it was Malcolm X that said "if you're not careful, the media will have you hating the people being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing".
Pablo is the politician a country deserves: Intelligent, Intellectual and with Ethics. PODEMOS!
Pablo Inglesias made some interesting comments about the importance of using language that doesn't put people off because of it's links with the past... A point that Labour needs to embrace more effectively if it wants to draw on a wide support base...
+Stephen Carter very true, all left parties should take note of this, Ireland included
+Stephen Carter This is key for any new political movement. In Spain we don't try to convince old people to vote for the Republic (it ended up terribly last time and sounds stupid); what we try to do is make it conscious for people that being able to choose a king democratically would fit the present day better. Saying 'Republic'; scares people, but asking a grandmother if she'd want her granddaughter to be able to become queen someday ('DEFINITELY!') is another story. Questions like these bear the power to access true thoughts of people; there is a lot of social bias that we need to get rid off to find out what people actually think. I encourage you, British friends, to apply this to some of the stigmas in people's minds over there. Cheers!
"the importance of using language that doesn't put people off because of it's links with the past".
--> No, I can assure here in Spain this happens exactly the other way. In Spain if you say "Viva España" or you show a spanish flag you might easy called: "fascist".
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0:18 Pablo Iglesias:
"We have a goverment (...) and this is normal because it has the DNA of the Franquismo (fascist dictator) in his very insides"
The "DNA fascist" is something repeated over and over same as: "We, the democrats..." (meaning thta they are democrats but those who dont vote them arent)
THe british friends have a parlamentary monarchy, same as in Spain, and they do good or at least ok. Other countries considered to have the higuest level of people wellbeing like Denamark, Sweden... have also parlamentay monarchies. The point is that SPain wont be (in my opinion) better or worst with or without monarchy, if we turn to a republic we will have the SAME problem = political corruption. To understand why we spaniards tend to corruption (and indeed we do) its a historical matter and I wont enter there now, its NOT that a spaniard is a corrupt person, its that together we form a political corrupted system.
Discussing for Republic will only create MORE fight between us ("Spaniards are always searching for an enenemy to fight with and when they dont find it outside they look for it inside") and will solve NOTHING.
Could this maybe also be subtitled in English? I had a rough time hearing what he says because of his accent and the noise the bus makes. Nice interview, tho :)
Owen - just a heads up - it's not pronounced "poddie moss" like you say it but " paw DAY moss" with the emphasis on the second syllable.
jajaja bless him. I was cringing but Pablo was too polite to correct him. It would be like him constantly calling it the Liebear Party or something.
yayaya
Really appreciate what you're doing Owen. It made me feel that politics isn't completely hopeless.
Aphex Twin is the leader of Podemos?
I heard Pablo's ancestor was Leon Trotsky xD
Mate it's all about Emma Goldman, and Kropotkin Leon Trotsky was an authoritarian in practice anyhow (he worked under lenin)
Mate I that comment scared me as a leftist i don't think anyone deserves death.
Mate xD
Very interesting and informative. Lessons for the Labour Party too. @Adam Sich I really enjoyed the way the film was edited, seemed more immediate somehow.
I'm so envious, Owen. Pablo is the man of the new left, and a personal hero!
cuando bajo y veo a todos lo españoles hablando ingles ajajaj
Thank you for not ignoring Spanish politics! We hear so little of it in our mainstream media.
This is the mainstream media. Why else would they lie through their teeth?
The town that you see behind the bus is where I live. Murcia :D
Would you rather Pablo and Owen running your country or Osborne, Cameron, Bush, Blair....
Exactly.
+Matt I'd even trust Bush more than I'd trust Jones. He's not a politician, he's a journalist.
Wow. So we know Bush is a warmonger, corrupt, influenced, dishonest, bloodthirsty, lazy, incompetent, bigoted and unintelligent.
But you only like people who are "politicians" as opposed to ordinary, passionate and informed people, outside of that definition. And we call this democracy? The ancient Greeks must be spinning in their graves.
There's so much more to politics than beliefs. If Owen had experience of the system of course he'd be better than Bush. But he doesn't. You don't stroll into number 10 on your first day in parliament.
+Mike Rees What it takes a person to be a politician according you?
Experience working in the machine of government.
the audio mix on this is awful, do you guys not use an external mic or..?
Owen you didn't ask if he was Aphex Twin! I'm disappointed.
everyone knows he is.
Brilliant Owen! I also saw your interview with Jordi Evole for La Sexta channel, I agree almost 99% on what you say. I have a question for you, (or for anybody):It is clear that with current economic situation in Europe people stopped suporting the traditional parties (left & right) and are looking for alternatives. However in Spain and Greece this escape route is through left wing parties, whereas in most of the other countries, Gerrmany, France, Nordic countries and even yours, Great Britain, this discontent is canalised through xenophobic, even more far right political parties. Why? What do you think is the reason?
hey owen, love ur show.can u do like a breakdown of the spanish general breakdown
Subtitulos por favor :(
+Denise Rodríguez Martín Quizas podemos hacerlo pero sería dos o tres semanas porque no estoy trabajando este semana y el video es bastante largo. Lo siento!
Esperaré entonces, pues sería muy amable por tu parte, gracias de antemano :)
Adam Sich Esperaré entonces, pues sería muy amable por tu parte, gracias de antemano :)
Deadviny Dufter mil gracias
+Deadviny Dufter Could I use this as a basis for the Spanish subtitles? I'll need to get it checked over but will ask Owen to give you a mention.
What has happened to Owens side burns ?
LOS VIVIDORES DE ESPAÑA
Oh my god, the interview is in Murcia the city where I live
REFORMS BE LIKE "YOUR DEMOCRATIC PARLIAMENT REPRESENTS YOU"
Thank you Owen, as an 'opinionated student', for showing that the way that for the left to succeed is to stop being so adversarial and angry at the establishment but to show the an alternative and just way for people to live. It makes sense to us but we need to win back all the conservative voters from the last election. Carry on.
"Muhrr tziah"
Impeccable Spanish Owen
Buen Trabajo The Guardian
Have you been following Irish politics recently? If so, for whom would you vote in the upcoming general election?
+mjakes20 It's an absolute fuck up, I don't think the left will do well. The AAA/PBP might gain a few seats. We won't see a change in Taoiseach thought
+Connor Sarsfield It's anyone's guess at this point. It's become so fractured and the campaign proper hasn't even begun yet. Although it's almost a foregone conclusion that Fine Gael will be the largest party, like what happened in Portugal and maybe Spain now, the left could band together to keep them out. Although any coalition of the left would be fissiparous to say the least (FF/SF/AAA-PBP/Independents). Who knows, maybe it'll be more like the UK where people are too ashamed to admit their blueshirt sympathies to the pollsters, and come the election reveal where their loyalties really lie.
+mjakes20 Very unlikely unfortunately. The Blueshirts have been rising in the polls for the last few months and the only real alternatives are Fianna Fáil or Sinn Féin who the majority of people will never vote for, for different reasons obviously.
Worst case scenario, Enda falls just just short of a majority and calls in the help of Lucinda and her gang of right-wing loo-lahs to make up the numbers. Could very well happen.
Better luck in 2021
por cierto, aprende mariano, pablo sabe hablar ingles
Interview Will Self and Akala. Not at the same time.
Que bien! Gracias Owen.
subtitles pls in spanish
The reason why Podemos has grown so fast is because people are tired of corruption, cuts and laws that don't work. Spanish politic was always the same, PP (rigth) or PSOE (left) and both have disappointed their country. Podemos is new, says what people want to hear but their politics are not viable. They turn politic into a show, they complain about everything but don't offer realistic solutions. The left in this country is a shame, politic in this country is a shame but my disappointment with the left is bigger because they are supposed to figth for the working class and when they are in the power they forget about all that they have been complaining about. They can't figth for us because they don't belong to us. It's our figth and we have to be together, political parties have to stop pressing work clases in benefit of rich and Podemos is not going to make that change.
Mate yah need to visit the syndicalist a in Spain and read a homage to Catalonia as well as roads to freedom. Mutualism is the only way don't nationalize ,mutualize.
I love how Pablo apologizes for his English while it is perfectly understandable and knowing how most Spaniards don't even care about learning the language I absolutely salute his effort. Great guy!
si se puede
No xD
se puede arruinar Espana,desgraciado.
why this video is linked to the word APHEX TWIN?
Probably because a lot of people have been joking about Pablo looking like Richard D James in the comments.
What say Pablo today??????
Ask him about the 08.03.20.........
🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
Congratulations Podemos ! You have shown that a house divided amongst itself cannot serve it's people & it's communities in Truth, Justice & Reason..
that english...
Cafe con lexe en plaza mayor....
+Jose Navas His English it's actually not much better... Si eso es el nivel alto de inglés de nuestros multi-doctorados entiendo muchas cosas. Deberían hacer una competición de arrogancia en TVE : )
Ingles de la universidad de Oxford? Menos mal que no me cogieron
what is this patronizing attitude towards people speaking your imperial language as a second language, replacing the original wording of Pablo. Let damn English speakers learn to understand foreigners' English or else learn the world's languages. You can't be antiimperialistic and accept linguistic imperialism just like that. Long way to go for the English speaking left....
Nice inglish Iglesias
Beca de Blesa.......Cajamadrid.
Ciudadanos is a party of the stablisment alwriht, but on the picture his brother party is always de Dutch VVD (riht party) and never, never D66 (dutch centre) they compare themsefs to)
Eres español@ no?
You should have asked him to speak in english :(
+Alejandro de Macedonia There are English subs now.
I find your comment very insulting. As long as I know, he is trying his best to speak in English and he even apologizes because it's not very good. I would like to see if other Spanish politicians like Rajoy or Pedro Sánchez could do it better. I really don't think so.
+Alejandro de Macedonia I understood him perfectly
+smashmambo Me too. Ignore the nasty troll. Probably PP.
Twat..move on...
- El Iñigo Errejón británico
👍🏽
In the Spanish revolution las barracadas was the song and Lister was with Stalin and therefore hitler in going against the syndicalist a in Spain with the POUM being the only true revolutionary authoritarian leftists. The Popular fronts failure was inevitable due its inability to the crushing of the working class and leftists opposition to Fascism.
+Romando a mistake by the civil war, although they had the army, the way things are and also financial support, the republic not so much, was that Republicans were divided between those who still wanted to liberal democracy and private capital but regulated, Communists and socialists who wanted another company but may have authoritarian forms but where equality was guaranteed, and last libertarians and anarchists who wanted to make a social revolution to radically transform society toward the final stage of communism. So it's a difficult situation, you have some who want to keep private capital, to others who want to win the civil war but have idol Stalin and others with good ideas but which in practice are not very pragmatic. Although obviously if they had won as a bloc had always been better than Franco, that's for sure.
viva murcia coño
Cómo no? Misógino con misógino.
try and interview albert rivera
Hablando ingles en su propio pais.Mas humillacion imposible.
Traidor al imperio y a nuestra lengua en nuestro propio pais. Venguenza.
I'm a bit depressed, I watching you Owen. Capitalism sucks Owen you're right Lets be socialist like Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea. Socialist countries are great, no fat capitalists in North Korea or Venezuela, they're all thin socialists. There may not be much food in socialist countries but if you have enough calories to get out you get see a doctor and learn to read for free!