They're doing this bass-ackwards. Keep the CBEST and the CSET exams, and eliminate the credentialing programs. Those classes were all but useless when I took them. They only exist to create a captive audience for education professors who have washed out of the K12 classrooms; they don't even teach basic classroom management.
It is still very confusing. Yes you don't have to do the CBEST, but that was not to hard. It seems most credential programs still require the CSET and that is a lot of study and can take 6 months to study for. So nothing has really changed. Need to get rid of CSET as requirements to get into credential programs then that is change,
Bullshiggity. The first person you throw out there is a Stanford graduate with a law degree?!?? That is so much garbage. How can news outlets put out this garbage? This law makes it so the 25 year old with a bachelors in art history and $65,000 in school loans can start teaching your 12 year old English composition. Keep the job for 10 years and your loans are forgiven. It's a great program. The news just botched the coverage.
@@middleguy1776 I've been looking into how to become a teacher in California. The closest program I know of pays for your teaching credentials and maybe bachelor/masters degree, and you have to work at certain public schools for at least 5 years, if you don't teach for that time you have to pay the program back. I assume it's state or federal money, because it seems to be a public school teaching hiring and retention program. I think it's a good option to have, but there's also like 3 other ways to go about getting a teaching credential in CA.
I disagree. I looked at the standardized tests, and it had ridiculous requirements like knowing theater arts. Movies have mostly replaced theater arts, so that it's a niche entertainment, but for some reason the test requires you study it.
I disagree. CA has some of the most challenging standards for becoming a teacher. I’m currently in a program at SDSU and it’s a bunch of hoops. I’ve been sub teaching for about two years and students and parents are becoming ever so challenging to deal with. Adding insult to injury is the amount of standardized testing, induction programs, and constant trainings. It’s a lot of work. An analogy, I met this TA in undergrad. She was working on her PhD. She could not, for the life of her, take a standardized test. She’d freak out. Super smart person. Phd candidate at a top UC. Some people just don’t test well. Doesn’t mean they are dumb. Also, after two years of teaching at multiple districts and settings, the CTC values that experience at a ZERO. I’m going into a program to teach me how to teach and manage a classroom, yet I’ve done all of that already. From managing the grade book to holding back to school nights. I’ve done it all. Yet, the CTC doesn’t care and value any of that experience. They need to relax and let some of us teach without having to jump through hoops…..🤷♂️
@@paulbegley1464, I wouldn’t necessarily call expensive multiple choice examinations and constant multiple choice examinations throughout the career high standards. More like an exclusionary method for only certain people to participate in. Imagine having to pay $100 a pop for one CSET subtest (which has 3 exams total usually) with no clear guidance on what you’ll be tested on. The exams are currently given free and now more people can take the exams. This was another change. How long it’ll last? Who knows. The system is full of red tape and that’s hardly about intelligence.
What about foreign Physicians... we are more than 100 Physicians and driving for Uber... what a mess? I hope he gives us a chance to be Physicians with a short pathway...
When I first began teaching high school, I was shocked at the children's terrible spelling, grammar, and syntax skills. Many of them couldn't string a basic sentence together, and these weren't dumb kids! No idea what was going on in K-8 at the time, but a whole lot of my students had been cheated. So we spent a lot of time on spelling tests and diagramming sentences. To hell with silent reading and endless journal writing; my kids didn't have time for that!
@@nancymcmonarch That's so great that you did sentence diagramming! It's somewhat of a lost art. Diagramming greatly helps one understand the parts of a sentence and how they fit together. I think students with the skill become better writers, and perhaps even better readers too.
@@michelemoneywell8765 I think they absolutely become better readers! Used to have my kids bring in difficult sentences from their textbooks, and we'd diagram them on the whiteboard. They were so proud just to identify the subject and the verb! Then we'd go on to the gravy parts. It's a skill that really did EMPOWER the students, so don't you know, a district "expert" (half my age) came in to observe my class one day and, after the bell rang, she approached me in frowny tones to say, "We don't diagram sentences anymore. Studies have proven . . . " BLAH BLAH BLAH. Then I was on The Radar, so a few days later a vice principal came in to observe everything she'd been told I was doing wrong. It just happened, that day, I'd pulled up a diagram on screen of the long, long first sentence of the Declaration of Independence. "When in the course of human events," etc. Within about a minute, MY kid had identified the subject and the verb: Respect requires. Then we went on to the other parts, and eventually our vice principal got up and said, "I am SO impressed with you children's abilities!" Then she winked at me and said, "Carry on." And nobody ever gave me grief about it again. I so wish they still taught diagramming to every child in America. Sadly, a lot of our teachers wouldn't even know how, because even when they were in school the fix was in, and children were supposed to learn syntax "organically," by osmosis or magic. (－‸ლ)
Then can teachers who dealt with the worst of the credential program, such as the TPAs, CBEST,CSET and teachers who actually have a math degree instead of short cut non math majors get paid more than the short cut teachers. Make it an option where by taking the exams and other teacher requirements gives teachers more pay.Also, people do not realize that STEM fields in education get affected the most. They cannot find real math major teachers and math majors would like to be teachers but the pay sucks. They should pay STEM teachers more than the other subjects teachers too because it is obvious STEM is a more lucrative field for children to learn.
Not really. Teaching credentials is not a master's degree. So why do you need a standardized test if it's not as rigorous as a master's degree? A bachelor's degree should be enough to fulfill competency to take a credentials program.
@@lambertlum1087 how is someone who hasn't studied anything regarding teaching able to teach after taking a credentials program? When you drop standards everything else falls with it. It's basic logic.
@@middleguy1776 Because teaching is not that special of a skill. Anybody can teach reading, writing and arithmetic. You may need to brush up on Strunk&White's Elements of Style for formal written grammar, but that's about it. In addition, they lower the bar further, by producing pre-fabricated lesson plans. There is no need to innovate when someone else has pre-written a year's worth of teaching material. The only place that requires specialized training is high school. Math degree is required for teaching Math. An English degree is required for teaching Literature class.
@@lambertlum1087 and that's why test scores are plummeting especially in minority neighborhoods. You should research the competency scores and then rethink what you just said.
@@middleguy1776 The good teachers go to good school districts. The bad teachers go to bad school districts. This is entirely due to school districts competing for the best teachers, and Oakland has very little to offer. You might as well quit teaching altogether when you are traumatized by the teaching environment that Oakland offers.
Best way to have more teachers, RAISE THE PAYYYYYY!!!!!
California teachers are highly paid.
80% of teacher quit in the first 3 years & by 5 years it’s burned out.
They're doing this bass-ackwards. Keep the CBEST and the CSET exams, and eliminate the credentialing programs. Those classes were all but useless when I took them. They only exist to create a captive audience for education professors who have washed out of the K12 classrooms; they don't even teach basic classroom management.
It is still very confusing. Yes you don't have to do the CBEST, but that was not to hard. It seems most credential programs still require the CSET and that is a lot of study and can take 6 months to study for. So nothing has really changed. Need to get rid of CSET as requirements to get into credential programs then that is change,
corporation laid off a bunch of people. People changing careers
Mostly the ones laid off are the ones that are not tech, paw or medical savvy. Eg phone call operators, janitors & other device providers
Bullshiggity. The first person you throw out there is a Stanford graduate with a law degree?!?? That is so much garbage. How can news outlets put out this garbage? This law makes it so the 25 year old with a bachelors in art history and $65,000 in school loans can start teaching your 12 year old English composition. Keep the job for 10 years and your loans are forgiven. It's a great program. The news just botched the coverage.
How is money that's been spent forgiven? Who pays the loan off and where does the money come from?
@@middleguy1776 I've been looking into how to become a teacher in California. The closest program I know of pays for your teaching credentials and maybe bachelor/masters degree, and you have to work at certain public schools for at least 5 years, if you don't teach for that time you have to pay the program back. I assume it's state or federal money, because it seems to be a public school teaching hiring and retention program. I think it's a good option to have, but there's also like 3 other ways to go about getting a teaching credential in CA.
Pay them more.
Dumbing down our teacher's
I disagree. I looked at the standardized tests, and it had ridiculous requirements like knowing theater arts. Movies have mostly replaced theater arts, so that it's a niche entertainment, but for some reason the test requires you study it.
@@lambertlum1087 You should release this is Newsom's California. They have an agenda that includes Drag Queens and other assorted perverts
I disagree. CA has some of the most challenging standards for becoming a teacher. I’m currently in a program at SDSU and it’s a bunch of hoops.
I’ve been sub teaching for about two years and students and parents are becoming ever so challenging to deal with. Adding insult to injury is the amount of standardized testing, induction programs, and constant trainings.
It’s a lot of work. An analogy, I met this TA in undergrad. She was working on her PhD. She could not, for the life of her, take a standardized test. She’d freak out.
Super smart person. Phd candidate at a top UC. Some people just don’t test well. Doesn’t mean they are dumb. Also, after two years of teaching at multiple districts and settings, the CTC values that experience at a ZERO.
I’m going into a program to teach me how to teach and manage a classroom, yet I’ve done all of that already. From managing the grade book to holding back to school nights. I’ve done it all. Yet, the CTC doesn’t care and value any of that experience.
They need to relax and let some of us teach without having to jump through hoops…..🤷♂️
@@JohnDoe-j7s2c And what would you call such high standards and now lowering it. Myself I call it dumbing down
@@paulbegley1464, I wouldn’t necessarily call expensive multiple choice examinations and constant multiple choice examinations throughout the career high standards. More like an exclusionary method for only certain people to participate in. Imagine having to pay $100 a pop for one CSET subtest (which has 3 exams total usually) with no clear guidance on what you’ll be tested on.
The exams are currently given free and now more people can take the exams. This was another change. How long it’ll last? Who knows. The system is full of red tape and that’s hardly about intelligence.
They copied cat the private school teacher don’t require a teaching credential
What about foreign Physicians... we are more than 100 Physicians and driving for Uber... what a mess? I hope he gives us a chance to be Physicians with a short pathway...
CBEST can’t get much easier. We don’t want sub par educators without a basic understanding of basic knowledge.
In CA, kids can’t read. 😂 I’m a floating teacher & folks from other places are shocked.
When I first began teaching high school, I was shocked at the children's terrible spelling, grammar, and syntax skills. Many of them couldn't string a basic sentence together, and these weren't dumb kids! No idea what was going on in K-8 at the time, but a whole lot of my students had been cheated. So we spent a lot of time on spelling tests and diagramming sentences. To hell with silent reading and endless journal writing; my kids didn't have time for that!
@@nancymcmonarch That's so great that you did sentence diagramming! It's somewhat of a lost art. Diagramming greatly helps one understand the parts of a sentence and how they fit together. I think students with the skill become better writers, and perhaps even better readers too.
@@michelemoneywell8765 I think they absolutely become better readers! Used to have my kids bring in difficult sentences from their textbooks, and we'd diagram them on the whiteboard. They were so proud just to identify the subject and the verb! Then we'd go on to the gravy parts.
It's a skill that really did EMPOWER the students, so don't you know, a district "expert" (half my age) came in to observe my class one day and, after the bell rang, she approached me in frowny tones to say, "We don't diagram sentences anymore. Studies have proven . . . " BLAH BLAH BLAH.
Then I was on The Radar, so a few days later a vice principal came in to observe everything she'd been told I was doing wrong. It just happened, that day, I'd pulled up a diagram on screen of the long, long first sentence of the Declaration of Independence. "When in the course of human events," etc. Within about a minute, MY kid had identified the subject and the verb: Respect requires. Then we went on to the other parts, and eventually our vice principal got up and said, "I am SO impressed with you children's abilities!" Then she winked at me and said, "Carry on." And nobody ever gave me grief about it again.
I so wish they still taught diagramming to every child in America. Sadly, a lot of our teachers wouldn't even know how, because even when they were in school the fix was in, and children were supposed to learn syntax "organically," by osmosis or magic. (－‸ლ)
Then can teachers who dealt with the worst of the credential program, such as the TPAs, CBEST,CSET and teachers who actually have a math degree instead of short cut non math majors get paid more than the short cut teachers. Make it an option where by taking the exams and other teacher requirements gives teachers more pay.Also, people do not realize that STEM fields in education get affected the most. They cannot find real math major teachers and math majors would like to be teachers but the pay sucks. They should pay STEM teachers more than the other subjects teachers too because it is obvious STEM is a more lucrative field for children to learn.
Bet you can't wait until a graduate of gender studies is teaching your kid math.
Oh Yah. What 1+1. Johnny ? 285 genders . Very good Johnny
“I don’t think it’s going to water down the teaching force…”. Famous last words. California is the new Florida. Eesh.
Better learn all of the various pronouns
Itsbc these ppl arent even close to fluent in english.
Keep dumbing down our education system
Not really. Teaching credentials is not a master's degree. So why do you need a standardized test if it's not as rigorous as a master's degree? A bachelor's degree should be enough to fulfill competency to take a credentials program.
@@lambertlum1087 how is someone who hasn't studied anything regarding teaching able to teach after taking a credentials program? When you drop standards everything else falls with it. It's basic logic.
@@middleguy1776 Because teaching is not that special of a skill. Anybody can teach reading, writing and arithmetic. You may need to brush up on Strunk&White's Elements of Style for formal written grammar, but that's about it.
In addition, they lower the bar further, by producing pre-fabricated lesson plans. There is no need to innovate when someone else has pre-written a year's worth of teaching material.
The only place that requires specialized training is high school. Math degree is required for teaching Math. An English degree is required for teaching Literature class.
@@lambertlum1087 and that's why test scores are plummeting especially in minority neighborhoods. You should research the competency scores and then rethink what you just said.
@@middleguy1776 The good teachers go to good school districts. The bad teachers go to bad school districts. This is entirely due to school districts competing for the best teachers, and Oakland has very little to offer. You might as well quit teaching altogether when you are traumatized by the teaching environment that Oakland offers.
lowering standards
Teaching is a lower standard. It's not a master's degree. Credential programs, like teaching, should not demand standardized tests.