Fellow Cirrus owner in FL. Great range, FIKI, system redundancy and A/C! Excellent airplane! Thanks for highlighting the main points for wives everywhere. CAPS
Cirrus is one of those planes that changed the GA landscape, but I think Diamond has further changed it. Both Cirrus and Diamond are incredible aircraft, and one of these days maybe I'll get to experience flying one or both. Not having the cubic dollars to own either, renting is my option but when a Cirrus pushes $400 an hour or more to rent...maybe not, Diamond on the other hand $200 an hour is a possibility. In the mean time, it's good 'ole Cessna 172 or 182.
I wanted to _not_ want a Cirrus, then I went "shopping" at OshKosh. I also checked out the Diamond's but they were a heck of a lot less open. Literally - everything was closed up and the staff sat around talking to themselves. The Cirrus team (and it was a team event) spent time talking to me, asking me questions, and even offering to fly a plane to my home base and take me for a spin next month. I might take them up on it, but first I am hiring a local school with a Cirrus to take me out with one of their CFIs to get familiar on my own. I'll echo something Michael said: talking to my wife about plane options, she said - without ever sitting in anything other than a Cessna - "We want the one with the parachute." We have two small kids. There was a certainty in her voice that said I should not argue this one. So it's gonna be Cirrus, because Textron's Panthera cert is still 3/4 years out.
Your so right. Cirrus let us go in anything we wanted. Kids got to jump in the back. Sales team was so friendly and let us sit under their umbrella while telling us all about the planes. Diamond… all closed up but had a special place for VIP only. Could not even see inside the cockpit
@@jonathanwilson4171 OK, so it wasn't just the moment I was there. I don't get the Diamond thinking...sales through ignoring customers and hiding product? That said, I flew a DA40 yesterday (first time in a Diamond) and while it was an older model it handled real nice. There is something to say for a 2006 model (3400+ hours) that flies tight and smooth. No slop; I was using two fingers to fly basic maneuvers without playing with trim every two minutes. So maybe DIamond just assumes serious purchasers will try one, and the fate will just figure itself out? Cirrus was that guy at the party that meets everyone, tells each a funny story, and gets invited to the next five parties. All in under an hour. He has the looks, and all the girls love his...parachute.
It's a great airplane, but then again, a triple seven is also a great airplane. The problem is these things are just too expensive for what they can do. It's not the company's fault, it's just how GA is these days. We probably have about 20 years left before GA disappears completely.
One question that I wanted to ask about the SR20 and the SR22 is the leg room in the back seats. Is there enough leg room in the back for someone 6 foot or taller?
I’ve had many people in the back that were over 6ft and it’s never been an issue. I’m about 5’11 and the legroom is just fine. The only issue with the SR20 is that the useful load is as such that you normally can’t take more than 1 adult in the back if there’s two regular sized adults up front (if going with anywhere close to full fuel). The 22 is much better. - Michael
Because it’s bought by low time inexperienced pilots with money. All they want is the flash and show on the ramp. It’s so expensive they never fly it for proficiency so every time they fly, it’s like their first time. Bonanzas were the same when they first came out, “doctor killers.”
Hey just watched your video while doing research on becoming a aviation pilot. I'd really appreciate a reply back especially because I live in SOCAL too... Pasadena. I just spoke with a rep at MACH 1 and wanted your thoughts.
Hi Bill, Mach 1 is a fantastic school run by one of the best CSIP's in California (Jason Price). I actually did all of my primary training there too. You can't go wrong.
LMAO. SR 20 is WAY too slow for the money!! As a ex SR22T owner I also use to fly the trainer cirrus (aka the SR20). But only for transition training. There are a lot of great reasoned to fly cirrus. But safety records show it’s far LESS safe then comparable planes. I’m a bonanza guy now because the stall characteristics of the cirrus are far too deadly far too fast! You only exacerbate that by loading a SR 20 with the weight of your family. It’s naïve to say this is a safe airplane for families. As the SR20 has way too low of a gross weight to carry a family and full fuel. Its also strange to say it’s a great plane because it’s “wife approved”. Study the true differences between the cirrus wing and its competitors. And how many people die in cirrus’s because of the defect in design of the wing. Especially when they are too low for CAPS. They didn’t put that parachute in there to add safety features. The FAA made them do it! The airframe is too dangerous without it to pass safety regulations. That’s a well documented fact.
@@frankplaayer8221What kind of dipshit response is that? What if you have engine failure with no clear area to put it down? The chute exists as a last-ditch effort. It's not used simply because the pilot wants to perform a cool vertical landing. Moron.
@@frankplaayer8221 You are flying over terrain - mountains - and nowhere to land. Your engine dies. Pilot me your answer. Would you want a chute, or not? I get the whole primate dominance contest from people in general, but comments like this are just vapid ego flexing. It's physics. Sometimes you are stuck between a cloud and a hard place. I guess some expect their bravado to bend the physics for them? Or maybe just never fly out of a safe space. Soft flat fields everywhere. I guess that works, too. Like Kansas, or the front range of Colorado?
@@frankplaayer8221It’s because Cirrus sells the hell out of the “parachute.” It’s a marketing tool. It works, sure, but it should not be used as a replacement for sound airmanship or planning. But it is by the, more money than sense, crowd.
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Congratulations to Cirrus for doing what Beechcraft and other manufacturers were doing half a century ago. That's real progress.
Fellow Cirrus owner in FL. Great range, FIKI, system redundancy and A/C! Excellent airplane!
Thanks for highlighting the main points for wives everywhere. CAPS
My pleasure! The more safety options we have, the better. :)
Cirrus is one of those planes that changed the GA landscape, but I think Diamond has further changed it. Both Cirrus and Diamond are incredible aircraft, and one of these days maybe I'll get to experience flying one or both. Not having the cubic dollars to own either, renting is my option but when a Cirrus pushes $400 an hour or more to rent...maybe not, Diamond on the other hand $200 an hour is a possibility. In the mean time, it's good 'ole Cessna 172 or 182.
Couldn't agree more Michael!
Great video. I’ve never flown a Cirrus, but it like to get my hands on one. Fly well!
I wanted to _not_ want a Cirrus, then I went "shopping" at OshKosh. I also checked out the Diamond's but they were a heck of a lot less open. Literally - everything was closed up and the staff sat around talking to themselves. The Cirrus team (and it was a team event) spent time talking to me, asking me questions, and even offering to fly a plane to my home base and take me for a spin next month. I might take them up on it, but first I am hiring a local school with a Cirrus to take me out with one of their CFIs to get familiar on my own.
I'll echo something Michael said: talking to my wife about plane options, she said - without ever sitting in anything other than a Cessna - "We want the one with the parachute." We have two small kids. There was a certainty in her voice that said I should not argue this one.
So it's gonna be Cirrus, because Textron's Panthera cert is still 3/4 years out.
Your so right. Cirrus let us go in anything we wanted. Kids got to jump in the back. Sales team was so friendly and let us sit under their umbrella while telling us all about the planes. Diamond… all closed up but had a special place for VIP only. Could not even see inside the cockpit
@@jonathanwilson4171 OK, so it wasn't just the moment I was there. I don't get the Diamond thinking...sales through ignoring customers and hiding product?
That said, I flew a DA40 yesterday (first time in a Diamond) and while it was an older model it handled real nice. There is something to say for a 2006 model (3400+ hours) that flies tight and smooth. No slop; I was using two fingers to fly basic maneuvers without playing with trim every two minutes.
So maybe DIamond just assumes serious purchasers will try one, and the fate will just figure itself out?
Cirrus was that guy at the party that meets everyone, tells each a funny story, and gets invited to the next five parties. All in under an hour. He has the looks, and all the girls love his...parachute.
Beautiful airplane.
It sure is!
Amen!
Make sure you have a healthy budget for maintenance when planning to purchase !!
Yup. Lol
It's a great airplane, but then again, a triple seven is also a great airplane. The problem is these things are just too expensive for what they can do. It's not the company's fault, it's just how GA is these days. We probably have about 20 years left before GA disappears completely.
Normal people could never afford to own this plane which is one con
Brave video considering the pilots are the butt of so many aviation jokes.
Non pilots will appreciate a modern interior compared to cessna or piper...
what type of business do you use it for?
Are small Asian pilots can fly the Cirrus airplane with no problem in reaching the rudder and stick?
Are you serious? What kind of a stupid question is that?
One question that I wanted to ask about the SR20 and the SR22 is the leg room in the back seats. Is there enough leg room in the back for someone 6 foot or taller?
I’ve had many people in the back that were over 6ft and it’s never been an issue. I’m about 5’11 and the legroom is just fine. The only issue with the SR20 is that the useful load is as such that you normally can’t take more than 1 adult in the back if there’s two regular sized adults up front (if going with anywhere close to full fuel). The 22 is much better.
- Michael
@@Michael-Winestone Thanks
Absolutely. I’ve flown several NCAA basketball coaches in mine; all over 6’ tall. Plenty of room.
@@cypilotiowan4761 Thanks for your comment. The back seat space look small when looking at these airplanes from the outside.
Plane of choice for smug LA realtors lol. Very fitting.
Fact. Tools with arrogance and money aplenty. Except experience, airmanship, or judgement.
SR20 & SR22 ... why are so very many of them crashing?
Because it’s bought by low time inexperienced pilots with money. All they want is the flash and show on the ramp. It’s so expensive they never fly it for proficiency so every time they fly, it’s like their first time. Bonanzas were the same when they first came out, “doctor killers.”
Hey just watched your video while doing research on becoming a aviation pilot. I'd really appreciate a reply back especially because I live in SOCAL too... Pasadena. I just spoke with a rep at MACH 1 and wanted your thoughts.
Hi Bill, Mach 1 is a fantastic school run by one of the best CSIP's in California (Jason Price). I actually did all of my primary training there too. You can't go wrong.
yes your right but its way to expensive to buy this cirrus sr20 in Europe
It’s expensive to own and run these things just about anywhere…but Europe definitely has to bring down the costs at some point.
@@Michael-Winestone ok
It comes with a parachute?
Yup, the CAPS is a ballistic chute that can be deployed in the event of loss of control or catastrophic failure.
LMAO. SR 20 is WAY too slow for the money!! As a ex SR22T owner I also use to fly the trainer cirrus (aka the SR20). But only for transition training. There are a lot of great reasoned to fly cirrus. But safety records show it’s far LESS safe then comparable planes. I’m a bonanza guy now because the stall characteristics of the cirrus are far too deadly far too fast! You only exacerbate that by loading a SR 20 with the weight of your family. It’s naïve to say this is a safe airplane for families. As the SR20 has way too low of a gross weight to carry a family and full fuel. Its also strange to say it’s a great plane because it’s “wife approved”. Study the true differences between the cirrus wing and its competitors. And how many people die in cirrus’s because of the defect in design of the wing. Especially when they are too low for CAPS. They didn’t put that parachute in there to add safety features. The FAA made them do it! The airframe is too dangerous without it to pass safety regulations. That’s a well documented fact.
Brutal, but true.
Cirrus is a dangerous aircraft unbless you are VERY experienced.
Lewis Scott Robinson Sarah Martin Michelle
Lots of engine-outs; lots of dead pilots that relied on that parachute. 4300 hr airframe. 👎
Frank, I'm not sure where you got that data, but it's use has saved 249 people with 122 CAPS incidents since 1999. Not bad if you asked me.
@@Michael-Winestone Why a 🪂 at all? Fly the airplane right. No need for a chute. Do your job.
@@frankplaayer8221What kind of dipshit response is that? What if you have engine failure with no clear area to put it down? The chute exists as a last-ditch effort. It's not used simply because the pilot wants to perform a cool vertical landing. Moron.
@@frankplaayer8221 You are flying over terrain - mountains - and nowhere to land. Your engine dies. Pilot me your answer. Would you want a chute, or not?
I get the whole primate dominance contest from people in general, but comments like this are just vapid ego flexing. It's physics. Sometimes you are stuck between a cloud and a hard place. I guess some expect their bravado to bend the physics for them?
Or maybe just never fly out of a safe space. Soft flat fields everywhere. I guess that works, too. Like Kansas, or the front range of Colorado?
@@frankplaayer8221It’s because Cirrus sells the hell out of the “parachute.” It’s a marketing tool. It works, sure, but it should not be used as a replacement for sound airmanship or planning. But it is by the, more money than sense, crowd.
You could buy a used Bonanza and a Cub for what a Cirrus costs. Overpriced for what it is. Like all new production aircraft.