I'm going to say this, Charlie, when it comes to labeling your wiring, keep being obsessive. I'm a machine technician, a lot of what I do is running down electrical faults in industrial machines. I am so happy when a manufacturer takes the time to thoroughly label their wiring. Different manufacturers go to different levels of labeling both the wiring and the schematics. The better labeled, the quicker and easier it is to troubleshoot a problem. So don't knock yourself for being thorough, you'll benefit from it in the long run.
Charlie, you are a breath of fresh air to us who are looking to rebuild or make a new layout after decades away from the hobby (it's called part of life's changes I'm told). So many advances that I've been trying to get my head around but this channel has made everything so much easier to follow. Of course the proof of the pudding will be when I finally get around to the design and build. Many thanks Charlie!. Many thanks for sharing.
Thank you, Professor Chadwick, today point motors, and tomorrow "How to Orbit the Moon and return home" for tea & toast. This is all edge-of-seat stuff can't wait for your next offering.
Keyboard warriors, what would we do without them. But you clarified the issues that’s the main thing so well done. Looking forward to the next episode.
Sometimes I think I spend more time fiddling with wiring and programming control devices than actually playing with the trains lol. Thanks for another well presented, insightful video. I really appreciate you sharing the knowledge you have gathered and find it very useful
I watch all of your videos Charlie and I look forward to each posting. You have a truly gracious and humble approach to presenting your subject matter that is refreshing and appealing. Even though I am one of those NCE users and not Digitrax, I learn something all the time from your projects.
As a retired aircraft electrician (I had the grand job title Avionics Certifying Engineer) I agree with your correct labelling of wiring. What I was used to on the aircraft was the wires were individually numbered, the wire ident number is printed on the wires every few inches along their entire length. It makes it so easy to find wires for fault finding or to carry out modifications, especially as nearly all the wires are white (no colour coding) only the occasional multi cored cable is colour coded. If wires got damaged in a loom it made circuit identification was easy to work out if a repair could be carried out or the wire had to be replaced (in some critical circuits, repairs were not permitted) there is a wire list, listing every wire number and it’s associated circuit, it’s gauge, wire insulation type, origin and destination for the wire, it’s length and the type of termination on each end. This system makes the job so much easier, for instance, in a Boeing 747 there is approximately 187 mile of wiring divided into approximately 200,000 individual wires. Some might only be a few inches, some might be over 100 feet. Every plug and socket has an identification number, each electrical unit whatever it is from a relay to a flight control computer has a unique identification number. There is a small ident sticker beside every unit and fixed connector, free connectors have an ident sleeve round the cable going to it. I used Boeing as an example, obviously Airbus use the same system of idents. So you carry on with your labelling it’ll save you a headache later on if you have a fault or want to change something.
@@ChadwickModelRailway You know all about aircraft wiring then, hence the way you ident things, trouble shooting works well with the proper indenting system doesn’t it. I started on Harriers at Kingston-upon-Thames/Dunsfold then onto Mr Bransons aeroplanes.
I am convinced. This IS two hobbies. Think I am going to stick with model railways, and this from a guy who owned 3 electronics companies years ago!!! You have to be in love with computers and electronics to do this. I have now finished re-wiring my exhibition layout in DC, and now in my 70's, nothing else will persuade me otherwise. However Charlie, I shall keep watching in the hope that one day trains may yet appear on your channel 😀lol Cheers, Bob
Thanks Charlie. You have just reminded me why I don't go into train control systems. I will stick to what I am good at, or rather think I am good at and enjoy!
A very detailed video for those like minded people who love their automation. Thoroughly beyond my comprehension, but as always Charlie, there is always something in there that is of use. Look forward to the next episode. Take care.
Thank you for another great video but my wife was somewhat disappointed you did not say “Welcome to Chadwick Model Railway, I’m Charlie” we laughed through the whole video saying to one another “who is this and where’s Charlie” we appreciate your videos and humor, you got us through some of the dark days during the early COVID Jack
@@ChadwickModelRailway My dad often told me to buck my ideas up but I thought he was saying to BOOK them up, so I bought a diary. Never wrote much in it though 😅
I confess Charlie that this more than anything made me thankful that I made the decision long ago to go with hand operated caboose industries ground throws! Means I occasionally have to scamper from one end of the layout to the other !
Thanks for this, you’ve answered three questions (connecting to DS -64, feedback to Train Controller, and Train Controller vs. Panel switches). Have a great day and I look forward to learning the answers to your questions.
Brilliant, entertaining and informative as ever, thanks Charlie. I’m also now in the process of motorising the points on my new O gauge layout and couldn’t decide whether to opt for the MP5’s or the Cobalt-SS’s, (for similar reasons I need to surface mount 4 motors). Anyway, had the good fortune to attend the Bristol Model Railway Exhibition yesterday, and after speaking with those nice guys on the DCC Concepts trade stand finally opted for the Cobalts. Incidentally Charlie, it was an amazing exhibition and well worth attending, being spread over 3 sports halls and represented with truly excellent layouts, (including a great selection of O gauge). Almost seemed like a genuine peer rival to Warley and so professionally run and presented.
Charlie: I see the river counters have been busy with you. I am so sorry mate. You are doing great things at advancing the model railroad hobby. Keep it up. You not only cover great subjects but you a very entertaining as well. Rail on. From the Gulf coast of the USA.
@@ChadwickModelRailway Wish that the US would adopt the signals in the UK or something similar. Here each railroad adopted their own signals. However that is long down the road for me. Keep your videos coming.
Nope. Lost me (but I love being bewildered!) How exciting it must be for people coming into the hobby. I'm happy with my lot and it just shows how it will continue. Well done Ambassador Charlie.
Charlie, thank you for another informative Swift. Just as I feel I am coming to grips with Automation, you throw more curved balls. You are right, this is very geeky, and needs to be worked through with a clear head, and no interruptions. Cheers, and stay safe, Michael
Thank you Charlie for another enjoyable video. Although I use Gaugemaster DDC Prodigy, it's always nice to watch a video from you and see how complex other parts of the modelling world can be if you have the time to invest. I look forward to seeing you next week.
Well Charlie, I've watched the majority of your videos, and look forward to each new episode. I've never had a train set, nor a scenic railway that you're building, but I do find it very interesting and entertaining. Perhaps in the future I will build one. I hope my question doesn't cause offence, but I was hoping you could shed some light on McKinley. They've not had an update for six months or so now. I hope nothing has gone amiss there. I look forward to your next episode. Take care
Thanks Brad, I’m so pleased that you enjoyed the channel. I have been and filmed at McKinley, however, David has other commitments currently. Regards, Charlie
That is a great list under the show more tab Charkie, The most important items would be the First Aid Kit and Fire Extinguisher and an escape plan. martin. (Thailand)
Hi Charlie Can i first state thanks once again for an amazing Video I do Love these swift Videos you keep saying buy cheap buy twice I am now following your lead and having just swapped over from Digikeijs (who I believe are no longer Trading) to Digitrax I am now trialing Train Controller as i and getting fed up with iTrain not liking the user interface. One Great snippet i gained from this swift using iTrain my 64 feedbacks were numbered 1-64 using Digikeijs and YaMorc Detector Blocks but when i converted to Train Controller I had problems as when inputting the Feed backs but although your Swift was about the DS64 i found the same input details worked for the feedback modules so board 1 covering feedbacks 1- 16 was inputted as address 1 then 1-16 then feedback on board 2 was orignally No 17-32 is Now inputted Address 2 then 1-16 it seems to be working. Hopefully me and SWMBO will be coming to your West Camel Show next Month
Well Charlie that took me right back fifty years to my physics lessons,I love to see what is now possible but this is way beyond my capabilities. I will however be using the piano wire through brass tubing method for a couple of my points.
Hi Charlie. David Townsend uses IRDOTS on his layout with Train Controller feedback as stopping points on his layout. This will make another great video on this subject ! Nigel, Devon, UK
Thank you Charlie for an interesting and informative video. As somebody has commented , keep being obsessive with your labelling, something I'll have teach members at my model railway club to do! It saves having to buzz out numerous unmarked wires..DOH!! I hope you have time to "play trains" in-between making videos for us and building your layout? Take care 👍
Hi Charlie, that was a well presented swift. Its looks a very complete system. I like the way it provides feedback and shows that on screen. Your labelling is excellent, just imagine not doing it and then trying to fault find😅😅. It does remind me of my time as an apprentice draughtsman. One of the jobs I got was preparing wiring lists and all the idents had to be itemised, all done by hand as well!! Have a great weekend and good luck from Spain!!
Great video and very informative Charlie. I am only constructing a small layout of a double oval but looking to use point motors for the points. My layout will be DC only and collapsible/portable as don’t have the space to have it up 24/7. I was looking at using these point motors following your informative videos. I’m hoping to mount these under the boards rather than surface mount, are these point motors able to do this. Watched many other videos for hints and tips and am just getting ready to start the soldering and mounting the track 😬
Hi Charlie, thanks for another good couple of videos. I’ve got several IRDOTS wired through the input of DS64’s and info train controller, I would be happy to help if I can.
Nice one Charlie. My goodness is Digitrax more complex than it needs to be. I’m somewhat glad I went down the Digikeijs 4018 route as wiring up my MP5’s is so much simpler, but I guess I also have DR4088’s inputs for point feedback, which is wrapped into the DS64, so horses for courses I suppose. But my over riding feeling of Digitrax is far too complex.
@@ChadwickModelRailway I know, a bit of a shame, but YaMoRc is showing promise and I've a couple of new items from them added to the layout as well as upgrading my DR5000 to the new YaMoRc software.
Charlie, There was a suggestion to use a copper tube to enclose the point rod wire in the trench. There was also a comment about causing static electricity and to use a plastic tube instead. You said you would use the copper tube; any issues with that?
When I got mine, the supplied wire was very tough, like spring steel.. So I used a dremel cut-off disc to trim to length, As I didn't want notches in my clipper snips!..
Hi Charlie thank you for your videoon the mp 1 and mp 5, question 1 would it be pos able to wire a 3 aspect signal to the terminals you had the two aspect signal wired to....also would you be ablto wire a samiphore signals and where would the red and black go thank you keep up the good work enjoy watching your video's cheer Brian
My question is doesn’t brass along with a wire moving through the brass tube cause static electricity ? The trench that you cut into the wood will not cause any static electricity. 3:56
Hey Charlie, did I miss it? You don’t show adding the feedbacks into the actual point Control in Traincontroller, only contacts. Adding them into the actual point symbol then provides safety as TC will know if a point failed and schedules will be stopped before a crash.
@@ChadwickModelRailway No, it's in the same turnout setting window. Look at the bottom left and the button Position Control. In there you add the feedback. Traincontroller then uses it to check routes and can reroute I'd a point failed etc. Lots of options in there.
Always informative and interesting but I think I’ll stick with my double analogue controller and 2 circuits of track and trying to understand quantum mechanics in my spare time
Hi Chrarlie, for your level crossing trigger, I am planning on using the block occupancy and some logic - does Traincontroller allow you to make logic statements to do stuff? JMRI does. You can then use an approaching train occupying an approaching block to do something like close the gates! Logic can then check all relevant blocks are vacant and open them again.
Quick question about the VIOLET and the PINK wires. Diagram was different to your actual connector, with the wires reversed. Am I right then to assume these colours do not matter either?
Hi Charlie, long time viewer first time poster! Here’s the £6,400 question, which is easier to use with Digitrax, Tortoise or MP5? To be fair there’s nothing in it for price and it’s difficult to decide which way to go as the Tortoise Mk2 looks like it will do the same as the MP5. Which do you prefer? Keep up the sterling work and ignore the Keyboard Warrior mafia!
Pardon my inquiry kind Sir, but instead of moving the points, why not edit the input for the address in the contact indicator? I surmise both approaches are equivalent and easy. You have a very nice setup there!
It bugged me that so many terminals are there but unused, but it's a really simple answer - it's designed for 3 rail, as well as 2 rail! For those wondering - POZ1/POZ2 are the 3 wire terminals, M2A/M2B are the 2 wire connections, and COM is the return all for the motor. I'm curious why 3 rail systems are a different input set that 2 rail, though. 3 rail is common outside rail with the middle being power, so there's no functional difference to motors if diodes are used. The rest is explained by DC vs DCC.
MP1 only has one switch set, so you'd lose feedback to the DCC system. his MP5 setup has Aux2 providing feedback to the DCC controller via the inputs on it.
@@ChadwickModelRailway The power and throw distance presumably won't be an issue on N scale. But why does Train Controller need feedback if it has given the command to change the point?
Good day to you, 1st....I really enjoy your video's, I find them very interesting. I am looking for a good video on how to wire up a peco double slip....code 100, maybe. Have you made one? Many thanks, Charlie! Dylan
I have to say, I have had no luck using an MP1 with the Digitrax DS64 or DS74 when the same Digitrax unit is also driving one or more Tortoises. I suspect the total amp draw is too high, because the Tortoises continue to draw power when they stall, unlike the MP1. Indeed I seem to have fried one DS64 by doing this.
Hi Charlie Just a Quick Question Did you get the MP1 Motor to work on the DS64 because im at my Wits end i can only seem to get one MP1 Working ive set the DS64 to Stall Motor I've wired the MP1 Com(+) terminal to P1 on the DS64 and wired the POZ 1 to 1R and POZ 2 to 1G which works Great but When i wire the Second MP1 to P+ 2R & 2G it all stops working. Any help from yourself on anybody on her would be Much appreciated . I don't relish the idea of swapping out dozens of MP1's for MP5's or MP10 Many Thanks in Advance
@@ChadwickModelRailway Thanks for getting back to me is that for the MP1 ? if so do i wire the common on point 2 to P+ on the DS64 as this is where the Problem seems to start
@@chrislockerby1411 I think that I would personally disconnect the first one and install the second one in the position of the first one. That way you can rule out a duff point motor. But yes, I believe that the two commons should go into P+
Hi Charlie great job as usual. PM74 Sends info back to TC. When delivered the address is set to 01. I use O/P one to power all my points, they are insulated from the rest of the System. Read the book, pushed the the buttons changed the address from one to 99. The address has changed, as I no longer get odd blocks in TC address 01 lighting up when trains go over points, However I have on idea what it is now, Any thoughts anyone? Notes: Using DT608 & DSC210+ Might be relevant. Also tried several addresses with no luck The search in TC gave me no unexpected addresses TOMREIP
Hi Charlie, in your video you mentioned a cable label printer, there’s never a problem when you’re organised 🤓, but I can’t seem to see the link on the list probably me but could you forward it to me please I am a patreon. Harvey. Great videos by the way.
Hi Charlie, will send you lengthy email regarding USB-C. It will be a good one. I think you should have gone for the pop rivet instead of the wrong screw, just to get the 'engagement level' up. Incidentally, in West Country speak, where people say 'ow bist?', does Chadwick literally mean 'sheep farm'? Or am I being sheepish? I did a Google search but I think it is information that pre-dates the internet.
Hi Charlie. Both this and last week's videos have planted a burning question in my mind: how will you decide to camouflage/hide the motors? Will you choose a building of some sort, foliage, or perhaps something completely different??
Joking aside, I got an Instagram post about 10 TH-cam channels that will teach you something that'll change your life and I posted to ask, what about Chadwick Model Railway? Somebody liked the comment too 🎉
it's beyond me I'm afraid, Charlie. I tend to follow the KISS principle, and their music isn't bad either... and yes, I am a luddite..... but, if I know how it works, I can fix / bodge it, especially at a show.
Hi Charlie, excellent update video. Regarding that the Digitrax DS64 cannot operate points motors by both DCC commands and panel switches together, does that apply to the DS74 or not, or is there a difference between the MP5 as against the Tortoise? Please check out this TH-cam video by Jim Worcester (link below) which I thought may help. I'm no expert, even at my mature age I'm teaching myself basic electronics with a huge interest in model railways, especially DCC control, hence my interest in your most informative channel. However I am surprised how expensive model railways cost these days especially good quality DCC control equipment (such as Digitrax) therefore if you ever find time I would be interested in a video giving a comparison of the quality, versatility and reliability of cheaper DCC control systems such as Yamorc or Digikeijs. P.S. It is noticeable that in many cases Digitrax (allthough excellent quality) is offering new updated equipment but with less options, i.e. new upgraded switch decoder units that only offer four switches, whereas the previous model had eight switches. Therefore the cost of operating, say eight point motors is virtually double?? Regards and thank you, Barry. Link: th-cam.com/video/BLNosAEa_-0/w-d-xo.html
Hi Barry, Firstly be aware that Digikeijs has gone bust! Sadly, I cannot do a comparison between system as I don’t have an appreciation of the full market. Many thanks for the link to the DS74, I shall view that later. I have little doubt that it will do less that the DS64. Regards Charlie
I'm going to say this, Charlie, when it comes to labeling your wiring, keep being obsessive. I'm a machine technician, a lot of what I do is running down electrical faults in industrial machines. I am so happy when a manufacturer takes the time to thoroughly label their wiring. Different manufacturers go to different levels of labeling both the wiring and the schematics. The better labeled, the quicker and easier it is to troubleshoot a problem. So don't knock yourself for being thorough, you'll benefit from it in the long run.
Thanks David, I’m so pleased that you appreciate my obsessive behaviour! Regards, Charlie
Charlie, you are a breath of fresh air to us who are looking to rebuild or make a new layout after decades away from the hobby (it's called part of life's changes I'm told). So many advances that I've been trying to get my head around but this channel has made everything so much easier to follow. Of course the proof of the pudding will be when I finally get around to the design and build. Many thanks Charlie!. Many thanks for sharing.
Thanks Antony, that’s very kind. And good luck with the planning of your project. Regards Charlie
Thank you, Professor Chadwick, today point motors, and tomorrow "How to Orbit the Moon and return home" for tea & toast. This is all edge-of-seat stuff can't wait for your next offering.
Rest assured Pepper, it will be back to basics. Regards, Charlie
Keyboard warriors, what would we do without them. But you clarified the issues that’s the main thing so well done. Looking forward to the next episode.
Thanks Roy, that’s very kind of you to say so. Regards, Charlie
Sometimes I think I spend more time fiddling with wiring and programming control devices than actually playing with the trains lol.
Thanks for another well presented, insightful video. I really appreciate you sharing the knowledge you have gathered and find it very useful
That’s very kind of you to say so Brendan. Regards, Charlie
I watch all of your videos Charlie and I look forward to each posting. You have a truly gracious and humble approach to presenting your subject matter that is refreshing and appealing.
Even though I am one of those NCE users and not Digitrax, I learn something all the time from your projects.
Thanks Albert, that’s very kind of you to say so. Regards, Charlie
As a retired aircraft electrician (I had the grand job title Avionics Certifying Engineer) I agree with your correct labelling of wiring. What I was used to on the aircraft was the wires were individually numbered, the wire ident number is printed on the wires every few inches along their entire length. It makes it so easy to find wires for fault finding or to carry out modifications, especially as nearly all the wires are white (no colour coding) only the occasional multi cored cable is colour coded. If wires got damaged in a loom it made circuit identification was easy to work out if a repair could be carried out or the wire had to be replaced (in some critical circuits, repairs were not permitted) there is a wire list, listing every wire number and it’s associated circuit, it’s gauge, wire insulation type, origin and destination for the wire, it’s length and the type of termination on each end. This system makes the job so much easier, for instance, in a Boeing 747 there is approximately 187 mile of wiring divided into approximately 200,000 individual wires. Some might only be a few inches, some might be over 100 feet. Every plug and socket has an identification number, each electrical unit whatever it is from a relay to a flight control computer has a unique identification number. There is a small ident sticker beside every unit and fixed connector, free connectors have an ident sleeve round the cable going to it. I used Boeing as an example, obviously Airbus use the same system of idents.
So you carry on with your labelling it’ll save you a headache later on if you have a fault or want to change something.
Hi Charlie, I’ve picked up my engineering skills from being electrician on Wessex Mark 5 helicopters! Regards, Charlie
@@ChadwickModelRailway You know all about aircraft wiring then, hence the way you ident things, trouble shooting works well with the proper indenting system doesn’t it. I started on Harriers at Kingston-upon-Thames/Dunsfold then onto Mr Bransons aeroplanes.
I am convinced. This IS two hobbies. Think I am going to stick with model railways, and this from a guy who owned 3 electronics companies years ago!!! You have to be in love with computers and electronics to do this. I have now finished re-wiring my exhibition layout in DC, and now in my 70's, nothing else will persuade me otherwise.
However Charlie, I shall keep watching in the hope that one day trains may yet appear on your channel 😀lol
Cheers, Bob
Rest assured Bob, you will wear me down. They will appear, rest assured. Regards, Charlie
Thank you Charlie, for this update with the diagrams, which helps with wiring them up. The use of the brass tube will be interesting.
Thanks John, I’m so pleased that you found it interesting. Regards Charlie
Thanks Charlie. You have just reminded me why I don't go into train control systems. I will stick to what I am good at, or rather think I am good at and enjoy!
An excellent strategy Don. Regards, Charlie
Fascinating Charlie, albeit I am lost! Very informative as always. Nige
I know what you mean, Nige, a little bit specialised this one! Regards, Charlie
A very detailed video for those like minded people who love their automation. Thoroughly beyond my comprehension, but as always Charlie, there is always something in there that is of use. Look forward to the next episode. Take care.
Thanks Kevin, I did realise it wouldn’t be everyone’s cup of tea but with so many requests I had to push this little one out. Regards Charlie
Another really interesting video Charlie, it amazes me what you can do with DCC
Thanks Martyn, regards Charlie
Great wiring looks sharp
Thanks David, but it is a little OCD. Regards, Charlie
Thank you for another great video but my wife was somewhat disappointed you did not say “Welcome to Chadwick Model Railway, I’m Charlie” we laughed through the whole video saying to one another “who is this and where’s Charlie” we appreciate your videos and humor, you got us through some of the dark days during the early COVID
Jack
I’m so sorry Jack, what a disservice.
I promise to buck-up!
Regards Charlie
@@ChadwickModelRailway My dad often told me to buck my ideas up but I thought he was saying to BOOK them up, so I bought a diary. Never wrote much in it though 😅
Thanks Charlie. Some really important info here especially on the TC integration.
Thanks Andrew, I’m so pleased that you found it interesting. Regards Charlie
I confess Charlie that this more than anything made me thankful that I made the decision long ago to go with hand operated caboose industries ground throws! Means I occasionally have to scamper from one end of the layout to the other !
And it keeps you fit to Mark! Regards, Charlie
another great bonus vid Charlie very interesting cant wait for your next installment
Thanks Geoffrey, that’s very kind of you to say so. Regards, Charlie
Thanks for this, you’ve answered three questions (connecting to DS -64, feedback to Train Controller, and Train Controller vs. Panel switches). Have a great day and I look forward to learning the answers to your questions.
Thanks Steve, I’m so pleased that you have found the video useful.
Regards Charlie
Brilliant, entertaining and informative as ever, thanks Charlie. I’m also now in the process of motorising the points on my new O gauge layout and couldn’t decide whether to opt for the MP5’s or the Cobalt-SS’s, (for similar reasons I need to surface mount 4 motors). Anyway, had the good fortune to attend the Bristol Model Railway Exhibition yesterday, and after speaking with those nice guys on the DCC Concepts trade stand finally opted for the Cobalts. Incidentally Charlie, it was an amazing exhibition and well worth attending, being spread over 3 sports halls and represented with truly excellent layouts, (including a great selection of O gauge). Almost seemed like a genuine peer rival to Warley and so professionally run and presented.
Thanks Tom, I spent most of today at the Thornbury show. Regards, Charlie
Great video Chas , cheers
You’re most welcome John.
Regards Charlie
Very interesting video Charlie. Mind mind has been blown well and truly by this one. Thanks for sharing. Roy.
Thanks Roy, I’m so pleased that you found it interesting. Regards Charlie
Hi Charlie. Thank you so much for this very informative video. It answers all of my questions on this subject. Best wishes to you. Nigel, Devon, UK
That’s great news, Nigel. Regards, Charlie.
Charlie: I see the river counters have been busy with you. I am so sorry mate. You are doing great things at advancing the model railroad hobby. Keep it up. You not only cover great subjects but you a very entertaining as well. Rail on. From the Gulf coast of the USA.
Thanks Ken, much appreciated.
Regards Charlie
@@ChadwickModelRailway Wish that the US would adopt the signals in the UK or something similar. Here each railroad adopted their own signals. However that is long down the road for me. Keep your videos coming.
Thank you for info and thank you for another brilliant video Charlie
That’s very kind of you to say so mate. Regards, Charlie
Yet another intersting video Charlie!!! Love it!! Keep them comming! Cheers Onno.
Thanks Onno, that’s most kind.
Regards Charlie
great video Charlie, thank you
You are most welcome mate. Regards, Charlie
Suddenly I was reminded of the algebra lessons at school 57 years ago. 😁
Every day’s a school day in this hobby.
Regards Charlie
Nope. Lost me (but I love being bewildered!) How exciting it must be for people coming into the hobby. I'm happy with my lot and it just shows how it will continue. Well done Ambassador Charlie.
Thanks Andrew, that’s very kind of you to say so. Regards, Charlie
Charlie, thank you for another informative Swift.
Just as I feel I am coming to grips with Automation, you throw more curved balls.
You are right, this is very geeky, and needs to be worked through with a clear head, and no interruptions.
Cheers, and stay safe, Michael
Thanks Michael, it is a little challenging.
Regards Charlie
Thank you Charlie for another enjoyable video. Although I use Gaugemaster DDC Prodigy, it's always nice to watch a video from you and see how complex other parts of the modelling world can be if you have the time to invest. I look forward to seeing you next week.
Thanks Simon, I’m pleased that you found the video interesting.
Regards Charlie
Thanks Charlie, really interesting 👍
Thanks Alan, regards Charlie
Well Charlie,
I've watched the majority of your videos, and look forward to each new episode.
I've never had a train set, nor a scenic railway that you're building, but I do find it very interesting and entertaining.
Perhaps in the future I will build one.
I hope my question doesn't cause offence, but I was hoping you could shed some light on McKinley. They've not had an update for six months or so now. I hope nothing has gone amiss there.
I look forward to your next episode.
Take care
Thanks Brad, I’m so pleased that you enjoyed the channel. I have been and filmed at McKinley, however, David has other commitments currently. Regards, Charlie
That is a great list under the show more tab Charkie, The most important items would be the First Aid Kit and Fire Extinguisher and an escape plan. martin. (Thailand)
It certainly makes an interesting read Martin. Regards, Charlie.
Hi Charlie Can i first state thanks once again for an amazing Video I do Love these swift Videos you keep saying buy cheap buy twice I am now following your lead and having just swapped over from Digikeijs (who I believe are no longer Trading) to Digitrax I am now trialing Train Controller as i and getting fed up with iTrain not liking the user interface.
One Great snippet i gained from this swift using iTrain my 64 feedbacks were numbered 1-64 using Digikeijs and YaMorc Detector Blocks but when i converted to Train Controller I had problems as when inputting the Feed backs but although your Swift was about the DS64 i found the same input details worked for the feedback modules so board 1 covering feedbacks 1- 16 was inputted as address 1 then 1-16 then feedback on board 2 was orignally No 17-32 is Now inputted Address 2 then 1-16 it seems to be working.
Hopefully me and SWMBO will be coming to your West Camel Show next Month
I’m so pleased that it seems to have worked out okay for you Chris. Looking forward to seeing you at the show, regards, Charlie
Well Charlie that took me right back fifty years to my physics lessons,I love to see what is now possible but this is way beyond my capabilities.
I will however be using the piano wire through brass tubing method for a couple of my points.
As they say, Phil, every day is a school day in this hobby. Regards, Charlie
Another “Masterclass” in wiring. I got it this time Charlie. It is however, way too much for me 😂
Thanks for giving it a go Redbank.
Regards Charlie
Hi Charlie. David Townsend uses IRDOTS on his layout with Train Controller feedback as stopping points on his layout. This will make another great video on this subject ! Nigel, Devon, UK
I’m certainly working on it, Nigel. Regards, Charlie
Thank you Charlie for an interesting and informative video. As somebody has commented , keep being obsessive with your labelling, something I'll have teach members at my model railway club to do! It saves having to buzz out numerous unmarked wires..DOH!! I hope you have time to "play trains" in-between making videos for us and building your layout? Take care 👍
Thanks David, I’m so pleased that you find my OCD wiring interesting.
Regards Charlie
Labeling can never be excessive, its vital to prevent errors where the smoke will be let out of the box.
We sing on the same song sheet mate. Regards, Charlie
Hi Charlie, that was a well presented swift. Its looks a very complete system. I like the way it provides feedback and shows that on screen.
Your labelling is excellent, just imagine not doing it and then trying to fault find😅😅. It does remind me of my time as an apprentice draughtsman. One of the jobs I got was preparing wiring lists and all the idents had to be itemised, all done by hand as well!!
Have a great weekend and good luck from Spain!!
Thanks David, I’m so pleased you like my obsessive labelling. Regards Charlie
awesome
Thanks Christopher, regards, Charlie
Great video and very informative Charlie. I am only constructing a small layout of a double oval but looking to use point motors for the points. My layout will be DC only and collapsible/portable as don’t have the space to have it up 24/7. I was looking at using these point motors following your informative videos. I’m hoping to mount these under the boards rather than surface mount, are these point motors able to do this.
Watched many other videos for hints and tips and am just getting ready to start the soldering and mounting the track 😬
Yes, they are ideally suited under the layout. Regards, Charlie
Don't think I will be changing my layout from cab control any time soon! lol. Very informative and interesting video though. thank you.
You and me both Terry. I lurrrv DC...
The main thing gentlemen is we enjoy our wonderful hobby. Regards, Charlie
@@ChadwickModelRailway 100% Charlie, love your channel and thank you again.
Do not worry about being ocd in your labeling, it helps the rest of us
Thanks Jeff, that’s very kind. Regards Charlie
again Charlie I will be sharing this with my nephew 😂
Thanks Robert, I do hope that he enjoys it. Regards Charlie
Hi Charlie, thanks for another good couple of videos. I’ve got several IRDOTS wired through the input of DS64’s and info train controller, I would be happy to help if I can.
Now that’s a fascinating offer, perhaps you could email me at chadwick model railway@gmail.com. Regards, Charlie
We recommend M2.5 x 8mm sheet metal screws to secure the MP motors
Thanks Seth, but may I ask who you are? Regards, Charlie
Nice one Charlie. My goodness is Digitrax more complex than it needs to be. I’m somewhat glad I went down the Digikeijs 4018 route as wiring up my MP5’s is so much simpler, but I guess I also have DR4088’s inputs for point feedback, which is wrapped into the DS64, so horses for courses I suppose. But my over riding feeling of Digitrax is far too complex.
But please be aware Stuart, that Digikeijs have gone bankrupt! Regards Charlie
@@ChadwickModelRailway I know, a bit of a shame, but YaMoRc is showing promise and I've a couple of new items from them added to the layout as well as upgrading my DR5000 to the new YaMoRc software.
Charlie, There was a suggestion to use a copper tube to enclose the point rod wire in the trench. There was also a comment about causing static electricity and to use a plastic tube instead. You said you would use the copper tube; any issues with that?
No HB, it been just fine. I will use a similar arrangement in the Branch Line area. Regards Charlie
When I got mine, the supplied wire was very tough, like spring steel.. So I used a dremel cut-off disc to trim to length, As I didn't want notches in my clipper snips!..
I know what you mean but you could have lowered the wire. Regards Charlie
Hi Charlie thank you for your videoon the mp 1 and mp 5, question 1 would it be pos able to wire a 3 aspect signal to the terminals you had the two aspect signal wired to....also would you be ablto wire a samiphore signals and where would the red and black go thank you keep up the good work enjoy watching your video's cheer Brian
Sorry Brian, but I don’t believe you can. Regards, Charlie
My question is doesn’t brass along with a wire moving through the brass tube cause static electricity ? The trench that you cut into the wood will not cause any static electricity. 3:56
Now that is something that I had never considered Ed. Regards Charlie
Just replace the brass rod with plastic (servo rod tube will work) or alternatively run a wire from the brass tube to a system ground
Hey Charlie, did I miss it? You don’t show adding the feedbacks into the actual point Control in Traincontroller, only contacts. Adding them into the actual point symbol then provides safety as TC will know if a point failed and schedules will be stopped before a crash.
Point operation and feedback are completely different areas in TrainContrller Eddie. Regards Charlie
@@ChadwickModelRailway No, it's in the same turnout setting window. Look at the bottom left and the button Position Control. In there you add the feedback. Traincontroller then uses it to check routes and can reroute I'd a point failed etc. Lots of options in there.
Thanks Eddie, I seem to have missed something there, I shall check it out. Regards, Charlie
Always informative and interesting but I think I’ll stick with my double analogue controller and 2 circuits of track and trying to understand quantum mechanics in my spare time
So many options and a fantastic hobby MS. Regards, Charlie
Hi Chrarlie, for your level crossing trigger, I am planning on using the block occupancy and some logic - does Traincontroller allow you to make logic statements to do stuff? JMRI does. You can then use an approaching train occupying an approaching block to do something like close the gates! Logic can then check all relevant blocks are vacant and open them again.
You’re bang on the money, John, that’s my intention to. Regards, Charlie
Hi Charlie
, completely unrelated question where do you get your rubber road bed?
Cheers
Andy
Hi Andy, the foam track bed is made by woodland scenics. Regards, Charlie
Quick question about the VIOLET and the PINK wires. Diagram was different to your actual connector, with the wires reversed. Am I right then to assume these colours do not matter either?
Yes Phil, that’s correct. It doesn’t matter which way round they go.
Regards Charlie
Charlie what happened to the good ol’ days of a loop and a siding 🤣
I think they suffered under the Beeching axe! Regards, Charlie
Sorry if I have missed someone else asking this. Did you leave the spring in the points or did you remove it?
Hi Rob, I remove the springs. Regards, Charlie
How do You handle the fine wires on so many items such as track draft singles? They so fine I can not connect them.
Sorry Bob, I don’t know what a track draft single is. However, I feel your pain, some of these wires are so fine. Regards, Charlie
Hi Charlie, long time viewer first time poster! Here’s the £6,400 question, which is easier to use with Digitrax, Tortoise or MP5? To be fair there’s nothing in it for price and it’s difficult to decide which way to go as the Tortoise Mk2 looks like it will do the same as the MP5. Which do you prefer? Keep up the sterling work and ignore the Keyboard Warrior mafia!
Thanks Dayc, I’m still in the tortoise camp unless space is an issue. Regards Charlie
Pardon my inquiry kind Sir, but instead of moving the points, why not edit the input for the address in the contact indicator?
I surmise both approaches are equivalent and easy.
You have a very nice setup there!
Yes Robert, but I thought using the spreadsheet would make it less confusing. Regards, Charlie
I am thinking about adding some DS74 to my layout I don’t know if I need them because I only have 6 points
In which case, you will only need two. Regards, Charlie
It bugged me that so many terminals are there but unused, but it's a really simple answer - it's designed for 3 rail, as well as 2 rail! For those wondering - POZ1/POZ2 are the 3 wire terminals, M2A/M2B are the 2 wire connections, and COM is the return all for the motor. I'm curious why 3 rail systems are a different input set that 2 rail, though. 3 rail is common outside rail with the middle being power, so there's no functional difference to motors if diodes are used. The rest is explained by DC vs DCC.
I think you’re bang on the money, Brendan. Regards, Charlie
Hi Charlie, if you use MP1s with Train Controller/iTrain/JMRI , what do you lose compared with the MP5s? Thanks for covering this. John
MP1 only has one switch set, so you'd lose feedback to the DCC system. his MP5 setup has Aux2 providing feedback to the DCC controller via the inputs on it.
Brendan’s correct John but it also has more power and a 12MM throw.
Regards Charlie
@@ChadwickModelRailway The power and throw distance presumably won't be an issue on N scale. But why does Train Controller need feedback if it has given the command to change the point?
3 minutes in and I see you have swapped pink and violet compared to the explanation diagram... will it work... ?
Yes, but did I? Regards Charlie
@@ChadwickModelRailway Did you? You tell us 😄 compare 2:05 with 3:05 and report back. (Or have you gone to check...?) 😄
Hi Charlie, how many ds 64 on your layout?
I think it’s 21. Regards, Charlie
Good day to you,
1st....I really enjoy your video's, I find them very interesting.
I am looking for a good video on how to wire up a peco double slip....code 100, maybe. Have you made one?
Many thanks, Charlie!
Dylan
Hi Dylan, it’s just two wires, as simple as that. It doesn’t actually matter where you put them as all the rails are connected. Regards, Charlie
@Chadwick Model Railway Hello, thank you for your reply. Best place would be in the center of the slip?
As all the rails are interconnected, it doesn’t really matter I just tend to put mine on one of the approach rails. Regards, Charlie
I have to say, I have had no luck using an MP1 with the Digitrax DS64 or DS74 when the same Digitrax unit is also driving one or more Tortoises. I suspect the total amp draw is too high, because the Tortoises continue to draw power when they stall, unlike the MP1. Indeed I seem to have fried one DS64 by doing this.
An interesting observation David. Perhaps we need to run the MP1s on one DS64 and the tortoises on another. Regards, Charlie
Hi Charlie Just a Quick Question
Did you get the MP1 Motor to work on the DS64 because im at my Wits end i can only seem to get one MP1 Working ive set the DS64 to Stall Motor I've wired the MP1 Com(+) terminal to P1 on the DS64 and wired the POZ 1 to 1R and POZ 2 to 1G which works Great but When i wire the Second MP1 to P+ 2R & 2G it all stops working.
Any help from yourself on anybody on her would be Much appreciated .
I don't relish the idea of swapping out dozens of MP1's for MP5's or MP10
Many Thanks in Advance
Hi Chris, it appears that my terminals are wired to 1R and 1G with P+ the common.
Also, do check your wiring on the point motors themselves.
@@ChadwickModelRailway Thanks for getting back to me is that for the MP1 ?
if so do i wire the common on point 2 to P+ on the DS64
as this is where the Problem seems to start
@@chrislockerby1411 I think that I would personally disconnect the first one and install the second one in the position of the first one. That way you can rule out a duff point motor. But yes, I believe that the two commons should go into P+
@@chrislockerby1411 they share P+
Sometimes i wonder whether turnouts on real train tracks are as complicated as scale versions!
An excellent point Tony. Regards, Charlie
Hi Charlie great job as usual.
PM74 Sends info back to TC. When delivered the address is set to 01. I use O/P one to power all my points, they are insulated from the rest of the System. Read the book, pushed the the buttons changed the address from one to 99.
The address has changed, as I no longer get odd blocks in TC address 01 lighting up when trains go over points,
However I have on idea what it is now, Any thoughts anyone?
Notes: Using DT608 & DSC210+ Might be relevant.
Also tried several addresses with no luck
The search in TC gave me no unexpected addresses
TOMREIP
Thanks Chris, I have heard that they are “challenging“! I’ve tried to stay with DS64s. How do they compare?
Regards Charlie
@@ChadwickModelRailway Can't help there, new to Digitrax only have PM74.
Did you see my email on the Dapol track cleaner?
Yes I’m trying to get hold of my friends cleaner, and copy the way that he’s did his. That was the one that I was using. Regards Charlie
Hi Charlie, in your video you mentioned a cable label printer, there’s never a problem when you’re organised 🤓, but I can’t seem to see the link on the list probably me but could you forward it to me please I am a patreon. Harvey. Great videos by the way.
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Here's the link Harvey,
www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07TCNGLYC/?ref=idea_lv_dp_vv_d&th=1
This is the cheaper tape.
Regards Charlie
Hi Charlie, will send you lengthy email regarding USB-C. It will be a good one.
I think you should have gone for the pop rivet instead of the wrong screw, just to get the 'engagement level' up. Incidentally, in West Country speak, where people say 'ow bist?', does Chadwick literally mean 'sheep farm'? Or am I being sheepish? I did a Google search but I think it is information that pre-dates the internet.
Thanks LP, it’s such a great hobby, even with my mistakes!
Regards Charlie
What could be simpler Charlie ☹️☹️ I think I will stick to one train and a oval of track, when the blood stops running out of my ears 😩
I’ll fetch the bandages Martin. Regards, Charlie.
Hi Charlie. Both this and last week's videos have planted a burning question in my mind: how will you decide to camouflage/hide the motors?
Will you choose a building of some sort, foliage, or perhaps something completely different??
I’m currently searching for a suitable building Stephen. Regards Charlie
How dare people comment before I even watch? I only just got the notification anyway, play fair 😅
Joking aside, I got an Instagram post about 10 TH-cam channels that will teach you something that'll change your life and I posted to ask, what about Chadwick Model Railway? Somebody liked the comment too 🎉
Sorry Chris but the Patrons get the video 24 hours earlier, hence the comments.
Regards Charlie
All the sparkies I work with pronounce it WAYGO.
Yes but it’s a German product!
@@ChadwickModelRailway true.
it's beyond me I'm afraid, Charlie. I tend to follow the KISS principle, and their music isn't bad either... and yes, I am a luddite..... but, if I know how it works, I can fix / bodge it, especially at a show.
If it works for you, Richard, and brings you joy, then that’s all that matters. Regards, Charlie
Hi Charlie, excellent update video. Regarding that the Digitrax DS64 cannot operate points motors by both DCC commands and panel switches together, does that apply to the DS74 or not, or is there a difference between the MP5 as against the Tortoise? Please check out this TH-cam video by Jim Worcester (link below) which I thought may help. I'm no expert, even at my mature age I'm teaching myself basic electronics with a huge interest in model railways, especially DCC control, hence my interest in your most informative channel. However I am surprised how expensive model railways cost these days especially good quality DCC control equipment (such as Digitrax) therefore if you ever find time I would be interested in a video giving a comparison of the quality, versatility and reliability of cheaper DCC control systems such as Yamorc or Digikeijs.
P.S. It is noticeable that in many cases Digitrax (allthough excellent quality) is offering new updated equipment but with less options, i.e. new upgraded switch decoder units that only offer four switches, whereas the previous model had eight switches. Therefore the cost of operating, say eight point motors is virtually double??
Regards and thank you,
Barry.
Link: th-cam.com/video/BLNosAEa_-0/w-d-xo.html
Hi Barry, Firstly be aware that Digikeijs has gone bust!
Sadly, I cannot do a comparison between system as I don’t have an appreciation of the full market.
Many thanks for the link to the DS74, I shall view that later.
I have little doubt that it will do less that the DS64.
Regards Charlie
@@ChadwickModelRailway Thank you
"...raise a few points" - pun intended?
Very much so James. Take care, regards, Charlie