Are Rails Connect Point motors the future for solenoid motors?
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- Today Jenny is taking a look at how easy it can be to install switches when building a model railway.
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Very helpful, my motors had just arrived and was struggling to work out how to fit them. Thanks sorted now
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I'm a newbie and this video has made everything understandable, thanks
perfect timing thanks jenny i'm about to sort these out later today
Jennifer, this was an interesting video. I have seen Peco under-mount solenoid switch motors come with that pin extension collar and rod as well. What I like about the one you demonstrated is that is is set up with wires and mounting flanges already installed.
Hi Jennifer that for this video I found it very informative in as much I brought some for a trial. Found them easy to install but I did find it somewhat difficult to insert the wires laying on your back under the baseboard. I was struggling with my PM1 seep point motors as they have a mechanical frog change mechanism and with out a CDU I found that they only worked some of the time.I have now changed all my point motors to surfaced fixed. The only disadvantage was the size of the surface fixed motor. I will paint them sometime to tone them down & hopefully make them less obtrusive.
Nice presentation. It's something I need to look into soon. Thank you for the clear advice of the solenoids et.c. but for the clear instructions on the packaging too. It also answered a question I had in being DC compatible too. Even the control units provide a greater array of functions than the basic lever-and-passing-contact switching. It should relieve a lot of wiring elsewhere too. Cheers!
Thank you for your videos. I find them one of the best to understand...
Great video Jenny they do look good.
Great review Jennifer, so many ways to switch points but this definitely seems a pretty versatile solution.👍
Thanks!
They are based on the DCCconcepts versions which are available in 2, 4 and 8 channel units and have all the same functionality: www.dccconcepts.com/product/accessory-decoder-cdu-solenoid-drive-fx-2-way-power-off-memory/
@@JenniferEKirk Thanks for the link Jennifer.👍
I purchased five of these and they are super easy to setup on DCC. Great review Jenny 🚂
Thanks!
Wow, like the new look Jennifer - Phewwwww
I've been into H. O. Scale and N Scale for quite a few years now. I'm still operating in DC, but I've heard a lot of pros and cons about the surface mounted switch motors/coils, and after building an N scale layout, I used the Atlas #6 turnouts, which seems to work well.
The prototype perfectionists used to turn their nose up at seeing those surface mounted units, and I kinda felt bad, but then I got a conducted tour of the big yard at Barstow California in 1997. I saw a lot of big motors and extra equipment running those turnouts, so I left mine in place. I placed ballast around them and painted the equipment silver to match the signals.
Currently building my first layout and it was a toss up between these or the Peco points and accessory switch to purchase last year. Had no end of problems in getting the accessory switches to switch the polarity even when they were moving smoothly. So moving on to my diesel yard I thought I’d try these new options out. Did a trial with one yesterday on a spare piece of board. Although I could run a train on it, as I didn’t want to cut the pin yet, it appeared to sway the polarity at the frog when I tested it with a multiple meter. The only problem I found, other than getting that tiny collar to grip the pin, was that if your boards aren’t thick enough the collar on the pin hits the hole in the switching bar. Only solution was to add an additional thin piece of board under the pint to move the point motor a few millimetres away from the bar. Other than that it worked ok. Will now look to purchase a few more to complete the yard. Thanks for the vide. 👍
Thankyou for the video still trying to get my head around points lol
Bought some of these last week, got a couple underboard and some surface mounted. They are really really good, much better than the hornby ones ive replaced, which were run from a hornby accessory decoder
this video just showed up in my feed. And im interested . But, your link for the switch and motors returns a 404 error.
Jenny these look great , I want to try them on a Walthers double cross over code 83, we do have a dealer in Canada
Jenny as always a good video. Can I ask about the solubilise failure rate. I have had three failures in the first 12 fitted. I have hooked them up to the DCC Concepts ADS
I have 15 of the surface mount point motors, I have found however that they only in the orientation as shown in the video. If you try the other eye hole on the left they cross bar has too much flex an pops off the peco point and sometimes the cam jams inside. They could also do with the wiring plugged into the back of the motor rather than soldered straight on so they could be replaced easily if access under the board is impossible.
Excellent vido Jenny. Clear, concise and well articulated. I have one or two side mounted motors where I need a solution to frog polarity changes and which is capable of lighting LED's on my control panel. These look like the answer but sadly, as you say, Rails don't sell them without the point motor. Do you know if they are planning to do so?
I don't know, but DCCconcepts do sell multiple channel versions. Search for ADS-2sx, ADS-4sx and ADS-8sx. The Rails one is an equivalent to if there was an ADS-1sx: www.dccconcepts.com/product/accessory-decoder-cdu-solenoid-drive-fx-2-way-power-off-memory/
Nice vid
Hello Jennifer
Great video I just want to use it as a frog polarity changer would this still require power or just use the three
Terminals the left frog and right terminal. Also how does it change the polarity.
Great video. Perhaps an obvious question, but I'm new to all this, would the surface mount motor work with N gauge also?
hi jen, how do you wire up a second point on dcc thank you.
Thank you Miss Jenifer.
You're welcome
Hi Jenny great vid, I have ordered myself the three piece multi pack of under board solenoids and three cdu’s. Should be here Friday can’t wait! I’ve read all the comments and a couple of them ask about having two points connected as you mention, but you’ve not replied to them or gone into a little more detail about this, is it something you could shed a bit more light on please? as I’m confusing myself constantly looking at the diagram of the accessory decoder picture on rails’ website
So how does this work with electrofrog points for DCC do you have to connect the wire to point or cdu
The surface mounted point motor is very similar to the guagemaster surface mounted point motor.
Hi Jennifer and Merry Christmas! I just got some of these point motors and tried one on a Peco n gauge finescale point. It is far to weak to throw the point against its spring. I tried 12 volts dc and 18 volts ac and the just don't work. Any ideas?
Not sure if this video is still monitored. I want to use a DC-only system to run these points. I'll need a separate power supply AND a CDU, correct?
Not sure of the wiring (complete novice) of the electrofrog points and momentary switches. Is there a resource you can direct me to?
Hi Jennifer, can you tell me the dimensions of the mounting screws for the surface mounted point motors.
Couple of things: actually solenoid points have been on mainstream train track points for well over a century, but more relevant: I honestly think for the set up is what tillig has had for many years, an actual geared motor with everything self enclosed.
Train triggered turnouts have been available for over 90 years in 3 rail, and a young half century for 2 rail.
Lovely though this is, is it that much of a forward?
Thanks for posting. Hard to tell if its H.O. or N Now I have watched about 10 videos on these Peco PL 11s and not one person mentions what scale track it is. Looks like H.O. but hard to tell on my little phone screen.
Hi Jen thanks for your Vids. I'm just getting ionto TT120 It seems that the points page is no longer in use? Can you do a vid on hm7000 blutooth and block detection systems that will work with this new system pls best Steve
I have bought rails connect points surface mounted. I have also bought an Alpha central. I have a doc concepts Power. My controller is a NCE power Cab. Both the power cab and alpha central plug into a DCC panel. Now the problem. The DCC Central can’t find the Points. I’ve tried set and run like your video states but nothing. Do I need a sniffer attached to the panel and the points or am I missing something
Hi Jenny Would this work with o gauge peco track and a hornby Elite controller?
Nice informative video. 40+ years since I last built a model railway so I was concerned regarding fitting points and signals. I think these products should make it easy.
Is there a wiring diagram for a peco single slip point
Hi Jennifer, would you happen to know if this would be compatible with Hornby’s HM6010 as I’m finding that the HM6010 isn’t strong enough to through my Peco Points 🤔
Jennifer. Dave Farrell here. Can you mount surface points away from the point. e.g under a building or some bushy out crop ? Thank you x
Hi Jenny - I wired up exactly as your video, apart from I used the Cobalt s Lever, problem is it will only throw the point one way it won't throw it back again any ideas' why, please? Regards Paul
hi jennifer - what is the maximum length of the pin please?
Hi, I'm setting up a first ever layout in DC and never used point motors before. With the line side point motor do I actually need a CDU ? Can I wire it through an on/off/on switch directly from the auxillary 12 volt supply from my hornby controller ?
The solenoid motors must be used with a CDU. If you use them direct from the power supply they will burn out.
The module shown in this video contains a CDU and can bne used on DCC to make the solenoid work with a digital system, or on DC where it is powered by a 12V regulated DC supply and the point motor is changed via a momentarty switch that you need to attach to the switch inputs on the module.
Hi Jenni , would you recommend taking the spring out of the point ?
Only if using slow action motors like the Cobalt range. Solenoids need the spring to work
Please would it be possible to add another CDU to this?
As an absolute newby to model railways I have been watching your many video tutorials and find them very informative and instructional.
I am a young 67 year old, I understand electronics and can manage most things.
I did enjoy your video on the Rails of Sheffield point motors and decoders that were developed for them by DCC Concepts.
From this video I purchased a few.
You said on the video that it is possible to connect 2 points.
Now I need help.
I have connected 2 points face to face, to change track. I can get the points to change at the same time, off one switch and connected to the same decoder, but I can only get the polarity correct on one set of points, hence I get a short when going to the next point.
I have called DCC Concepts, they told me to change wires round, but that doesn’t work.
Are you able to assist, as I am struggling to work this one out and I’m sure you have the knowledge to help me.
looking at my 'under baseboard' cable mess, I am very tempted with the dcc accessory decoder circuit. can they be bought separately?
Rails don’t sell the decoders separately, but multi channel ones can be bought from the DCCconcepts range - looks at the ADS-sx decoders: www.dccconcepts.com/product-category/the-cobalt-collection/cobalt-accessory-decoders/
I do like the underboard mounting bracket better than the popular alternative.
Price is ok. Made by DCC concepts, so I'm thinking the quality is good too.
I'd better put in an order :)
Cheers!
Can these be used on 24v dc ?
Are these electronic modules compatible with the DCC Concepts Alpha gear, and the point levers? Can I use Cobalt above board point motors with this too?
The modules are only for solenoid motors. They are compatible with the point levers.
Hey jen. Do you know if the control panel led outputs switch? I was thinking they could be used for basic signals so the lights go red/green as the point switches
They change depending on which way the unit is switched. They can be used to power LED signals, but remember they only output at around 5V. I have used them successfully to power Berko signals.
@@JenniferEKirk Brill, thanks. Do you find them bright enough with only 5v?
Hello, am I right in thinking I can use these in conjunction with Peco side mounted point motors?
Absolutely. Though at the moment Rails are only selling them packaged together with their point motors.
The DCC concepts range of ADS solenoid decoders work in the same way and can be bought as a standalone product: www.dccconcepts.com/product/accessory-decoder-cdu-solenoid-drive-fx-2-way-power-off-memory/
@@JenniferEKirk Thank you very much for your help
please can you help me I am new to modelling
I have just got these rails connect points surface ones can I wire them up with out spending another £200.00 pounds on c d u units if so how do I do it
please Paul
The surface mounted switch motor
can be doctored up for US railroads
to look like a dispatch controlled
turnout controller!!!
Very interesting video thanks. Can you please clarify the business of changing frog polarity? I thought that the modification of Peco Electrofrog points took care of polarity. What does the connect system do? Is the modification no longer required?
Sorry if this is a stupid question, but I have returned to the hobby after 50 odd years and this is all a world away from Hornby Dublo!
I have just subbed by the way 👍
The modification to the point is to make them less likely to short on DCC. You still need something to change the frog polarity, and that’s what the terminals for this are for.
Jennifer E. Kirk Thanks for the clarification. I have ordered some of the points along with the DCC concepts Decoder. Cheers. Keith
looks greatand as usual a great presentation, can i get them in australia please ?roy
Rails do ship to Australia. Alternatively, DCCconcepts make the multi channel versions as ADS-xSX (where ‘x’ is number 2,4,8 for number of channels)
@@JenniferEKirk thanks i,ve ordered some, also i got an email from dccc about tail lights can you please do a video about fitting them on dc please, i cant afford dcc unless there is someway of converting dc to dcc, thanks again roy
@@JenniferEKirk thanks, i have to give rails a big shout out i orderd 5 motors on 7/2 and they arrived yesterday 2/3 with great priective packaging, thanks, roy
Clicked on tbe link provided only to get a 404 page not found error.
I bought few of these on the strength if this video but I've had nothing but trouble with them. I'm using the under the board solenoid and connecting I via the tabs directly to PECO code 100 points (ST-E91). The solenoid barely twitches and won't throw the point at all! I've tried with several points, several motors, and several of the boards but none of them work properly.
I'm assuming it's something I'm doing wrong but the instructions are simple and I've watched the video several times, checking the wiring extensively. They throw the bar when not connected to the track but once connected stop working. If I connect a Peco brand point motor directly, without the accessory board then I can get it mostly working but it seems like there's some problem either with the Peco points combined with these solenoids or the accessory board doesn't provide enough oomph to throw the point.
Has anyone else experienced difficulty with code 100 setrack points?
I just tried one with a peco n gage finescale point and there is no way this thing is going to throw this point. Very dissapointed.
I had the same problem tried some on the strengh of the post - throws the point one way only and the electro frog didnt work -used 18 volts dc - no joy - put them in a bag to return - bought some peco points + accesory switch happy Days -
@@johnfreeman2354I ended up using their surface mounts and they seem to work good for me. Also using Seep under board motors seep motors. The rails under board motors have short rods. Putting on the extension didn't work because the joiner was right here I needed it not to be for the thickness of my baseboard.
Hi Jenny. I really appreciate your channel. You have helped me out with a couple of issues over the past 12 months or so. Now it might just be me, and I’m sorry if it is, but since you have joined DCC Concepts I feel your descriptions and reviews are more guarded. E.g. “other point motor manufacturers”. For goodness sake, say PECO or Hornby, please don’t allude to them. It sounds like you’re being tied down by your new paymasters and that’s a real shame.
I wouldn't say I am tied down. DCCconcepts have no editorial control over this channel. In the past I have often tried to refrain from mentioning competing products by name in videos; it just seemed a more polite thing to do to the manufacturer whose product I was filming.
All seems rather complicated. I’ll stick with simple manual rod operation
Jenny put some clothes on
I had all the appropriate bits covered!
Just to throw in my two pence worth, I had trouble with these surface mounted motors on Hornby points. If you have Hornby points and want them with surface motors then use Hornby r8243. The extra couple of quid will save a lot of grief.
Hi Jenny. Point motors.. apart from tortoise and cobalt, search this on a certain well-known auction site. Item number 264766727262. Motorised point motor. Going for about 18 quid. Love from 009 Llandaft. Yes.. half tempted to send one to Charlie Bishop, and see what he makes of it, and Rich W. Heljan.. Got a couple of the Manning Wardles. I think I was perhaps the victim of the first batch. However, since a lot of my 009 locomotives have scratch-built or brass kit chassis, I had to make my own spare parts. According to gaugemaster, all the faulty ones have been returned to Europe. Backwoods miniatures.. speak to Neville at n-drive productions. 009.. Andy at Dundas models in Scotland 🏴 . Back to the lathe now.. they get bigger, too. 5” gauge. Don’t start me on boilers.. right old cock up with some new legislation that needs a word with.. Regards. K.