I've managed to stay away from Warhammer lore for 30+ years of my life, but now I've fallen into this trap and feel it will consume a great portion of my free time in the years to come
the end and the death is a amazing book and book 2 is coming out in november. book 3 next year. things are starting to get good with the lion coming back!!!!
Yeah I'm 44 I remember calling my friend nerds at 16 as they were into 40k . At about 26/7 as a lotr ( totally not a nerd) fan 😂. I was left a considerable sum of inheritance from my grandparents. For about a year myself and my brother spent an estimated 2 to 2.5 grand each on GW lotr models paints, the grass, bushes and trees ( it was called static grass I think and a mossy stuff). We bought the insulation board thing and the hot wire cutter that used a couple stonking big batteries. We maybe painted 100 figures each! The local table top games shop loved us. You could see them mentally rubbing their hands together when we walked in. I have boxes upon boxes of unopened armies and packs. Never mind the paint that dried up as we didn't realise we may not use every colour! Unboxed helm's deep springs to mind a couple unpainted cave trolls probably 5 packs of dried up green stuff 😂. Yeah not my smartest move. ( Tried to play the game once and decided it's not for us). I did enjoy the painting though 😂
What's truly amazing is that, according to Big E and his lore, the only primarch that's effectively un-revivable is Horus - dude straight had his soul deleted. This is confirmed when the clone of Horus shows up he lacks the 'spark' that made him a Primarch - Abbadon notices that right before he kills the clone.
@@Burning-Twilight Horus' soul has been shattered beyond recovery but that doesn't mean shards of his soul doesn't exist. You can still clone him but its just a shell and forever will be a shell.
@@silenthero2795 Has it though? The Emperor while he did use a special weapon to kill Horus doesn't seem to indicate that his soul is unrepairable, and his last words to Horus don't really sound like something you would say to someone who can never return again.
@@Burning-TwilightWell, you really can't negate the possibility but Horus died not as a full-on Chaos servant who will just return to the warp once beaten. Horus returning like that means Sanguinius can return too and I think that somewhat cheapens their story, being in a grim-dark setting.
Just confirmed 2 Robute and the Lion who both were relatively “recently” revived. Rogal, Leman, the Khan and Vulkan are all legit MIA with nearly zero information, recent sightings, and vague promises and hints that they are still alive but they aren’t on the front lines. Corvus is a loyalist demon that wants to murder lorgar. So the loyalist are effectively out of the picture until GW wants to bring back another one.
@@Theemptythroneistakenthey simply made more and more Space Marine with the latest tech from adeptus mechanicus. Roboute Guilliman is a master of strategy and organizing, while the chaos forces, tyranids, and orks are just brutal diorganized warmonger. With the help of Lion, and to be discovered Vulkan, The Wolf, Dorn, and Corax, the imperium of men shall rise again
@Theemptythroneistaken well, i am kind of blowing hot air because this is ultimately just my opinion. But I've always thought the underlying tone of 40k is that that chaos is an embodiment of anything negative of humanity, and any other beings for that matter. So it's literally and metaphorically a galaxy wide war between "Good and evil" and in that way no matter how overwhelming the odd, neither side can outright defeat the other unless all life is eradicated for there to no longer be nonpious thoughts to be had. And in that case chaos doesn't win but just disappears with its counterpart.
@@Joe-rb8junoo, at least the old 3rd ed and earlier lore had him board an enemy ship which then blew up. The only part of dorn they found was his hand so we never got confirmation of death.
@@Nosian76 In old lore his entire Skelton was encased in amber except his hands which were held in different places on the phalanx. The chapter masters the engraved their names on his hands. Space Marine by Ian Watson Chapter 6
@Joe-rb8ju it has been 20 years since I read the 800 page "40k bible" of all the gathered lore at that time but I am pretty confident that they only had the skeleton of his hand and dorn, while presumed dead, was left open for a potential return like most of the loyalist primarchs.
Some primarchs we know but the ones we don't here are my theories: Dorn was saved from death by Omegon during the black crusade and put in stasis to heal but due to Omegon's fear and hatred of Dorn he's been left in stasis. Omegon is still loyal but realised he can't stey within the galaxy itself, he's currently out on the fringes working directly with the space sharks. Jaghati was lost in the webway and taken by Cegorach and will be released when the trickster gods decides to let him go. Leman is in the warp and is searching for the tree of life but has recently stumbled on Isha after her escape from Nurgle and his helping her survive. Corax is still in the warp fighting a cobstant battle against demons while trying to get to Lorgar. Vulkan is trapped by Gork and Mork in the warp after he was sent there by the massive waaagh energy when he killed the beast. I would also include Clonegrim in the list of primarchs but we know where he is.
@fracturedrealitygaming1326 in 40k, the collective belief of a race generates warp shenanigans. Example all humans believe the emp to be a god that grants him even more power. Orks are the same 10x since they are fucking warmongering retards that believe in gork and Mork. hence those two probably exist in the warp.
Based on context clues littered throughout the franchise, I believe the eleventh primarch was among the last and youngest the Emperor found. He was brash, eager and keen to prove himself. This cost him his life during the Rangdan Xenocides where he and most of his legion of astartes were irrevocably turned into slaves to the Slaugth like the Rangdan. This is the reason why the space marine bodycount was so high and the baseline human casualties and losses to enslavement were near-uncountable. The nightmare of the Rangdan Xenocides cannot be understated and this primarch's mistakes are the sole reason why. He was deemed a failure. Leman Russ is the one who killed him and many of his astartes, the survivors that were not enslaved by the Slaugth were offered amnesty, mindwiped and became Ultramarines. He was classified because he was proof that primarchs can die and are not infallible, invincible arbiters of justice. Tl;dr - Dead As for the second, I believe he came to a disagreement with the Emperor and after studying the Necron/C'tan artifact decided to learn from and adopt xeno technology of all kinds. For this, he was exiled and his legion hunted or ordered to turn themselves in to be re-educated and mindwiped to serve as Ultramarines. He was a cold, cunning and humourless primarch and likely served the Imperium as a sort of tactician, explaining his close relationship with Horus. He potentially had a geneseed with scary side effects like Sanguinius and his astartes struggled with and came to rely on xeno tech to survive. I believe this primarch is still alive, I believe Leman Russ could never find him possibly because of the 20 (21?) primarchs, he is the only one that is what psykers call a 'blank'. He was classified because of his dangerous and heretical ideals, but he is/was not corrupted by the warp as many believe. In the eyes of many he is worse - A xeno sympathizer. Could be hiding on a Tau or Necron planet. Tl;dr - Exiled, status unknown could potentially return as a renegade primarch with a renegade legion not affiliated with chaos but possibly a xeno faction
There's no canon artwork or description of daemon prince Perturabo atm. But it will be revealed soon because they are releasing models of the late stage heresy traitor primarchs
4:23 there is a novel in "primarchs" where we learn that omegon and alpharius have a special ability . If one of them legionnaire drinks there blood, he will became omegon/alpharius for severals hours : same face, same memories, etc ... But an other book said omegon senses the death of his brother by rogal dorn. So alpharius definitly dead. But guilliman should have kill a random guy
Flip those around, omegon took up the mantle as alpharius. To maintain the facade. So the “alpharius” that faced rogal form is more than likely omegon considering he was found with not only that armor but the pale spear by alpharius in the alpharius novel and even then, we can’t fully confirm that it was truly one of the primarchs
@@dimitriosmacris9688I mean speculate all you want, the authors of that part of the lore were trying to make it as clear as possible that either Alpharius or Omegon did 100% die, we're just not 100% sure which one. There was the unique warp shock of a primarch's death
@@DolphinSMG i think the current lore claims (Alpharius is a liar always) that Omegon pretending to be his brother was killed by Dorn on Pluto as the two decided to switch identities and it is highly likely only one was a traitor once they reccieved the prophecy from the cabal because what they said would happen is the opposite of what is currently happening despite Alpha legion being "chaos".
I love how Corvus is essentially created his own version of Daemonhood driven by vengeance and now stalks traitors in the warp as a nightmare even the traitor primarchs fear. To be able to continue existing within such environments without succumbing to the taint of chaos shows how strong he is as an individual among his peers.
Ferrus should return as a living metal pariah primarch. In one hand it would be good that he's back and the Iron hands have there primarch return. But it dooms his chapter as his last wish was to rid them of there addiction to robotic and cybernetic enhancements. Him returning dooms the Iron hands forever . A true tragic and grim dark return. Not a cheap cop out, just to bring him back as a ghost of a different chapter
It's believed the 11 primarch is alive and Locked away in the Imperial palace because they have a prisoner there called Subject 11 and he is Guarded by a bunch of Custodes.
Technically Alpharius is still alive, only one Primarch met the real Alpharius and that was Lion El' Jonson. The other Primarchs met Omegon (wich was murdered by Rogal Dorn). So, Alpharius is still alive
@@Metalsonic91 Nope, the 3 heads of the Hydra means Alpharius, Omegon and The Legion itself. No, While Alpharius went with his crew in search of his Twin Brother (Omegon) he came across the Flag Ship of The Lion. When they boarded the ship they had a small chat with Lion El'Jonson. In Short, Alpharius claimed to be just another Astarte just like the others (That was a lie) searching for his missing Primarch (That is also a lie but also is the truth). *Speeding Up the Book* He Eventually met Omegon, and they had that Twin Connection as Brothers. After a Long talk between them, they planned that Omegon become the Public Face of the Legion while Alpharius stays in the shadows. So, when all the primarchs join Big E, everyone met Omegon. That's when the Main quote of the Book shows up. "Who are You My brother?" -Horus "Me? I Am Alpharius (and That was a Lie)" -Omegon
So back then it was Empire vs. Chaos (not including other factions) but then they were able to still withstand Chaos and half the forces lost to heresy? Empire must be crazy advantage back then
At the start of the heresy the imperium of man was on the brink of total galactic dominance. There was no faction that could defeat them, that's why Horace Hershey betrayed the Emperor: the minis must flow
Lmao vulkan just chilling in a vault sealed up waiting for the green light to come from the warp they ready for him on stage now they know hes too powerful to bring back rn 🤣
In one of the old novels Dorn's skeleton is encased in amber (or something, I dunno) and being held by the Imperial Fists. That was from like 30 years ago so I dunno if it is still considered canon.
As long as their souls exist they are not completely dead:P I think Horus is the only one that is completely gone, but he has been cloned and i dont know how that works when it comes to souls ;D.
So, I have been reading a lot of lore and speculation on the two lost Primarchs. Some of them are really fun, so I had to write one of my own. Mantiken was to be the 11th primarch of the Emperor, and he was to be the strategist. A cunning intellect and an adaptable mind would be a boon for the future of the Imperium. Unfortunately, when the Warp pulled the primarch capsules and scattered them, Mantiken's was closest to the gate and took the brunt of the corrupting warp. Mantiken landed on a desolate world called Sthenos. A world consistently in conflict and limited on resources. He grew up learning that his body was his best weapon as stone and metal degraded and would eventually fail him. He became a war leader on Sthenos and lead his forces to many victories. In time he attacked an alien adversary he had never seen before. These were monsters with bio-organic weapons, many of which out competed the paltry weapons he had at his disposal. In victory he found an opportunity. The Warp had changed him, and his body was his best weapon. It was time to use them, he had an adaptable mind, and thanks to the Warp, an adaptable body. He began inducing mutations in his own body, often mimicking the xenos that nearly bested his forces. The Emperor was, less then pleased to see his prized strategist intentionally becoming a mutant, but he was the Emperor and Mantiken was a Primarch. The mutations were never labeled as such. They were 'additional biological enhancements' that Mantiken's body could handle. For a time, this was enough. Mantiken took charge of the 11th Astartes and lead them to many victories for the Emperor. Due to the instability of Mantiken's Gene-seed, the 11th Legion never had the numbers of many of the other legions. Behind closed doors though, Mantiken and the Emperor of Mankind argued a good deal, especially on the topic of humans and what constitutes as a mutant. This rift grew when it was brought to the Emperor's attention that members of Mantiken's Astartes were encouraged to develop and grow their own mutations as rank and badges of honor. They were starting to need the Adeptus Mechanicus less and less. In many people's eyes, they were becoming uncontrollable. A new world was discovered, but the Imperium decided that the inhabitants were mutants and not welcome amongst the Empire of Man. As a test of loyalty, and slight discipline, The Emperor sent Mantiken and the 11th to assist in the purging of the world to make it ready for true humans to colonize. After all, who would defy the Emperor? The 11th Astartes under command from their Primarch killed the Imperium forces there and protected the natives. This slight, would not go unanswered Mantiken believed that having a large portion of his Astartes there would deter reckless retaliation. He wanted to believe that he could convince the Emperor that it was wrong to purge them, that they were more useful to the Imperium alive then as target practice. However, the man who was sent to deal with Mantiken did not believe so. An Exterminatus can be called on a planet where the cost of claiming it is higher than the resources there, and battling an entire legion of Astartes? Well, they encouraged mutants, defied the Emperor and 'unjustly' killed many brave men of the Imperium. They were traitors. The planet was reduced to asteroids by intense bombardment. When this agent returned to tell The Emperor the wonderful news that the world was taken care of and the diabolical warp infused traitor was dealt with before he could corrupt any more.... he did not receive the reward he was expecting. The remaining 11th Legion Astartes were called to Holy Terra, where they had their minds wiped and discretely transferred to other Legions with their gene-seeds labeled as 'corrupted' so they would never be used again. To cover up that the Primarchs could be killed, the failings of the agent, and the treason of Mantiken, The Emperor declared all information on the 11th Legion to be redacted and erased from history. Few of the Primarchs remember their brother Mantiken. He was strong, he was able and despite having extremely different views then his brethren, was a Primarch and a good friend to many of his brothers, now lost and purged form history.
Sanginius was not at 100% when he fought Horus not even close. Before the final assault he had just fought banished a named greater daemon of Khorn o'l KB. And had been up fighting non stop for weeks on end. But he accepted his fate like a Boss and Horus choked him to death with his Talon. A part of Dorn still exists too, the bones of one of his hands. And every serving chapter master has scrimshawed their name onto it.
So....your saying he would have won at 100%? Even though, Horus nearly beat the Big E? Afterwards, E is basically on life support the rest of his life. .....ok.
I personally hope that Alpharius and Omegon are both still alive, I can't explain why but I can't help but feel like it defeats the point of there being two Alpha legion primarchs if only one is left. I guess both of them being dead also works to satisfy that in my head, but I'd prefer if both were still active (plus crazy theories of them still being loyal are quite intriguing as well)
@@morgymomo8535 I know that supposedly at least one is dead but they're the primarchs Alpha Legion, come on. If anyone could successfully fake their death, it would be Alpharius and Omegon
@benciudovchgottdank3460 I still like the theory that Cipher is Omegaon, seeing how cipher just easily outmaneuvered and Escape from custodes in their own Keep is just more evidence that concludes it even more. I just don't believe that corswain/Zarhariel could not have made such an Escape.
Between what Emp did to the Thunder Warriors then 2 of his brother primarchs Horus was kinda right. Edit: I know the TW geneseeds or whatever were deteriorating but maybe coulda put them in to stasis instead of you know…
Ok...I'm new here...but I thought we had 20 legions.....with 20 primarchs....and 2 the 2nd and 11th were incognito.. yet you got 20 here???? What am I missing???
At some point, you know sanguinius is coming back mainly because the model would sell and sell and sell god. I haven't painted a model in twenty years. I would buy that one
Hell I would argue that Amron is Dead two..... like he's equivalent to a souped-up zombie.. he really has no conscious adwareness... that might be his body but even his angry version of himself is not there...
Damn, i hate it that Ferrus is dead. Out of all Primarchs he accepted his purpose as intended by the Emperor in the most based way without whining, bitching, envy towards others or turning insane. He took it like a gigachad and moved on to get work done. He was one of the most senior among his brothers (Only Horus and Dorn ranked above him) and the finest craftsman of them. An outstanding general who served the Imperium without question. At the start of the heresy Horus even pointed out that with Ferrus it would be a cakewalk to win this war but the man was loyal to the bone. Sadly the only occasion Ferrus slipped because of completely understandable rage during the dropside massacre did end up fatally. His mistake was that even after Horus, Angons, Fulgrims and Mortys betrayal he was blind to the fact that even a bigger betrayal is possible and so he counted on sick bastards like the Word Bearers and Night Lords backing him, Corvus and Vulcan up. Perty and Alpharius also werent the most trustworthy guys. Him and G Man were the best Primarchs the Imperium had. And G Man would ve even followed his orders as Ferrus was senior to him. At least Ferrus had the best fate in this universe has to offer. Being peacefully dead. But i would ve loved it if there were more tales to tell about him. My favourite Primarch 💪
clone and stuff in the right soul - why not? Hell there might be Eldar tech that does something like that (since they need to navigate the souls away from the warp, of course no one is saying to use xenos tech, but I'm suggesting mankind can create its own version independently and use it on its troops.
@@martian8987 Yes, there are possibilities. However, i doubt it that they ll bring Ferrus back. Its very hard to write that since he isnt a perpetual. And there re plenty of Primarchs they can bring back much more easily and they offer lots of material for storytelling. Also with that almost non-existent spotlight the Iron Hands already suffer from its very unlikely that they care about the dead Primarch of the biggest left behind childs in this lore.
one this i love about Alpharius / Omegon and the Alpha legion has a whole is trying to explain it to someone even if they know about the Alpha legion just leaves you both more confused about the Alpha legion
So there are like 5 traitor Primarcs alive and active, while the imperium only have 3 or maybe 4 primarcs alive but only 2 active... How hasn't the imperium fallen yet with such handicap.
Because the traitor factions are tiny and incompetent in comparison. If the imperium was united and under the emperor's leadership the traitors would last about 20 minutes. The traitors are basically a guerrilla hiding in the forest, like colombia's FARC.
Conrad didn't mutate he just finally figured out what a primarch truly is He and the lion are the only 2 who can actually use their true primarch abilities Don't forget a primarch is a warp entity and he's become one with the darkness capable of blending with the shadows becoming the shadows I believe all the traitor primarch's are actually using their true warp entity forms which they would have achieved eventually if they had trained
I feel like Fulgrim might return, or at least his clone sooner or later. Trazyn is know to do some f*ckery here and there, whos to say he might not let Clonegrim escape?
Plot-twist: Horus, with his chaos gifts, pushes Sanguinius over as he finally succumbs to the Black Rage/Blood Thirst. Sanguinius attacks the Emperor as he is forced to kill Sanguinius.
How in the world are the space marines still fighting then considering they are heavily outnumbered and have little to no primarch backing them plus the emperor is in a stasis!
Also a hypothesis: Omegon went on to lead the Grey Knights. I know, it's all shrouded in secrecy. I personally enjoy the hypothesis that one of the missing Primarchs went on to become Sigmar and the Fantasy setting is in fact somewhere in the galaxy.
How can i be able to understand completely wh 40 k lore ? Also i want to know right now how is the most recent lore cuz i heard that emperor will ressurect or some like that 👀
As of now there are a few possibilities for the emperor, but he is far from resurrecting. An eldar once told robotow girlyman that he or the emperor could potentially become a god with enough faith from humans, psyker or not, some fans theorize he is already a sort of chaos god fighting in the warp. But overall, it’ll be a while before he comes back, I believe he will though, as was hinted when Big E’s thoughts(?) spilled out when girlyman went to the chamber of the golden throne, big e says, apotheosis, dead, alive and choose. apotheosis could mean Big E turning into a god
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I've managed to stay away from Warhammer lore for 30+ years of my life, but now I've fallen into this trap and feel it will consume a great portion of my free time in the years to come
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the end and the death is a amazing book and book 2 is coming out in november. book 3 next year. things are starting to get good with the lion coming back!!!!
Yeah I'm 44 I remember calling my friend nerds at 16 as they were into 40k . At about 26/7 as a lotr ( totally not a nerd) fan 😂. I was left a considerable sum of inheritance from my grandparents. For about a year myself and my brother spent an estimated 2 to 2.5 grand each on GW lotr models paints, the grass, bushes and trees ( it was called static grass I think and a mossy stuff). We bought the insulation board thing and the hot wire cutter that used a couple stonking big batteries. We maybe painted 100 figures each! The local table top games shop loved us. You could see them mentally rubbing their hands together when we walked in. I have boxes upon boxes of unopened armies and packs. Never mind the paint that dried up as we didn't realise we may not use every colour! Unboxed helm's deep springs to mind a couple unpainted cave trolls probably 5 packs of dried up green stuff 😂. Yeah not my smartest move. ( Tried to play the game once and decided it's not for us). I did enjoy the painting though 😂
This rabbit hole has no bottom, welcome to Enternety battle brother.
No clue how I missed it in my life for the same period of time. The past couple years has been super-packed with it now.
What's truly amazing is that, according to Big E and his lore, the only primarch that's effectively un-revivable is Horus - dude straight had his soul deleted. This is confirmed when the clone of Horus shows up he lacks the 'spark' that made him a Primarch - Abbadon notices that right before he kills the clone.
Even Horus has been hinted at in recent lore that he could potentially be revived free of chaos of course.
@@Burning-Twilight That would be great. I mean, he's not evil in the first place. He just got corrupted by chaos artifact.
@@Burning-Twilight Horus' soul has been shattered beyond recovery but that doesn't mean shards of his soul doesn't exist. You can still clone him but its just a shell and forever will be a shell.
@@silenthero2795 Has it though? The Emperor while he did use a special weapon to kill Horus doesn't seem to indicate that his soul is unrepairable, and his last words to Horus don't really sound like something you would say to someone who can never return again.
@@Burning-TwilightWell, you really can't negate the possibility but Horus died not as a full-on Chaos servant who will just return to the warp once beaten. Horus returning like that means Sanguinius can return too and I think that somewhat cheapens their story, being in a grim-dark setting.
0:28 Perturabo was a massive fan of the simpsons
how did FOX actually approve this lmao
So there is like 2-3 good primachs that are still serving the imperium and their chapters the rest are dead traitors or lost
Yup which literally makes no sense in how they are still fighting this war.
Just confirmed 2 Robute and the Lion who both were relatively “recently” revived. Rogal, Leman, the Khan and Vulkan are all legit MIA with nearly zero information, recent sightings, and vague promises and hints that they are still alive but they aren’t on the front lines. Corvus is a loyalist demon that wants to murder lorgar. So the loyalist are effectively out of the picture until GW wants to bring back another one.
@@Theemptythroneistakenthey simply made more and more Space Marine with the latest tech from adeptus mechanicus. Roboute Guilliman is a master of strategy and organizing, while the chaos forces, tyranids, and orks are just brutal diorganized warmonger. With the help of Lion, and to be discovered Vulkan, The Wolf, Dorn, and Corax, the imperium of men shall rise again
@Theemptythroneistaken well, i am kind of blowing hot air because this is ultimately just my opinion. But I've always thought the underlying tone of 40k is that that chaos is an embodiment of anything negative of humanity, and any other beings for that matter. So it's literally and metaphorically a galaxy wide war between "Good and evil" and in that way no matter how overwhelming the odd, neither side can outright defeat the other unless all life is eradicated for there to no longer be nonpious thoughts to be had. And in that case chaos doesn't win but just disappears with its counterpart.
I feel bad for the emperor
Dorn was “killed off screen” which means he’s probably still alive
Considering the original retcon went from his skeleton to just a hand I'm certain the praetorian of Terra still draws breath.
In old lore he was killed.
@@Joe-rb8junoo, at least the old 3rd ed and earlier lore had him board an enemy ship which then blew up. The only part of dorn they found was his hand so we never got confirmation of death.
@@Nosian76 In old lore his entire Skelton was encased in amber except his hands which were held in different places on the phalanx. The chapter masters the engraved their names on his hands. Space Marine by Ian Watson Chapter 6
@Joe-rb8ju it has been 20 years since I read the 800 page "40k bible" of all the gathered lore at that time but I am pretty confident that they only had the skeleton of his hand and dorn, while presumed dead, was left open for a potential return like most of the loyalist primarchs.
“HA! Take that sanguinius is dead!”
Sanguinius: “hold ma blood goblet”
Some primarchs we know but the ones we don't here are my theories:
Dorn was saved from death by Omegon during the black crusade and put in stasis to heal but due to Omegon's fear and hatred of Dorn he's been left in stasis.
Omegon is still loyal but realised he can't stey within the galaxy itself, he's currently out on the fringes working directly with the space sharks.
Jaghati was lost in the webway and taken by Cegorach and will be released when the trickster gods decides to let him go.
Leman is in the warp and is searching for the tree of life but has recently stumbled on Isha after her escape from Nurgle and his helping her survive.
Corax is still in the warp fighting a cobstant battle against demons while trying to get to Lorgar.
Vulkan is trapped by Gork and Mork in the warp after he was sent there by the massive waaagh energy when he killed the beast.
I would also include Clonegrim in the list of primarchs but we know where he is.
Vulkan is teaching kindness to gork and mork so that orks can team up with humies against demonz
PURGE THE UNCLEAN read that with ork voice@@akatsukicloak
I'm sorry, I'm new to 40k and the lore, but 'waaaagh energy'?
@@fracturedrealitygaming1326some psychic energy manifested when Orks compete each other
@fracturedrealitygaming1326 in 40k, the collective belief of a race generates warp shenanigans. Example all humans believe the emp to be a god that grants him even more power. Orks are the same 10x since they are fucking warmongering retards that believe in gork and Mork. hence those two probably exist in the warp.
Based on context clues littered throughout the franchise, I believe the eleventh primarch was among the last and youngest the Emperor found. He was brash, eager and keen to prove himself.
This cost him his life during the Rangdan Xenocides where he and most of his legion of astartes were irrevocably turned into slaves to the Slaugth like the Rangdan. This is the reason why the space marine bodycount was so high and the baseline human casualties and losses to enslavement were near-uncountable. The nightmare of the Rangdan Xenocides cannot be understated and this primarch's mistakes are the sole reason why. He was deemed a failure. Leman Russ is the one who killed him and many of his astartes, the survivors that were not enslaved by the Slaugth were offered amnesty, mindwiped and became Ultramarines.
He was classified because he was proof that primarchs can die and are not infallible, invincible arbiters of justice.
Tl;dr - Dead
As for the second, I believe he came to a disagreement with the Emperor and after studying the Necron/C'tan artifact decided to learn from and adopt xeno technology of all kinds.
For this, he was exiled and his legion hunted or ordered to turn themselves in to be re-educated and mindwiped to serve as Ultramarines.
He was a cold, cunning and humourless primarch and likely served the Imperium as a sort of tactician, explaining his close relationship with Horus.
He potentially had a geneseed with scary side effects like Sanguinius and his astartes struggled with and came to rely on xeno tech to survive.
I believe this primarch is still alive, I believe Leman Russ could never find him possibly because of the 20 (21?) primarchs, he is the only one that is what psykers call a 'blank'.
He was classified because of his dangerous and heretical ideals, but he is/was not corrupted by the warp as many believe. In the eyes of many he is worse - A xeno sympathizer.
Could be hiding on a Tau or Necron planet.
Tl;dr - Exiled, status unknown could potentially return as a renegade primarch with a renegade legion not affiliated with chaos but possibly a xeno faction
Omegon leads the Night Lords? Sound like normal Alpha Legion lore.
0:24 why is perturabo a giant homer Simpson head
There's no canon artwork or description of daemon prince Perturabo atm. But it will be revealed soon because they are releasing models of the late stage heresy traitor primarchs
4:23 there is a novel in "primarchs" where we learn that omegon and alpharius have a special ability . If one of them legionnaire drinks there blood, he will became omegon/alpharius for severals hours : same face, same memories, etc ...
But an other book said omegon senses the death of his brother by rogal dorn.
So alpharius definitly dead. But guilliman should have kill a random guy
Flip those around, omegon took up the mantle as alpharius. To maintain the facade. So the “alpharius” that faced rogal form is more than likely omegon considering he was found with not only that armor but the pale spear by alpharius in the alpharius novel and even then, we can’t fully confirm that it was truly one of the primarchs
@@dimitriosmacris9688I mean speculate all you want, the authors of that part of the lore were trying to make it as clear as possible that either Alpharius or Omegon did 100% die, we're just not 100% sure which one. There was the unique warp shock of a primarch's death
@@DolphinSMG i think the current lore claims (Alpharius is a liar always) that Omegon pretending to be his brother was killed by Dorn on Pluto as the two decided to switch identities and it is highly likely only one was a traitor once they reccieved the prophecy from the cabal because what they said would happen is the opposite of what is currently happening despite Alpha legion being "chaos".
2:11 *just as planed we gottem*
Exactly Alpharius, I am glad to hear that you know that I Alpharius am alive
I love Sanguinius. It's said that when he's in a state of rage, it is greater than that of of Angron on his most ragful day.
I love how Corvus is essentially created his own version of Daemonhood driven by vengeance and now stalks traitors in the warp as a nightmare even the traitor primarchs fear.
To be able to continue existing within such environments without succumbing to the taint of chaos shows how strong he is as an individual among his peers.
2:11 "Alpharius: Dead......... we think"
If it not for Mr. Heresy, we would have Peacehammer 40k now.
Ferrus should return as a living metal pariah primarch. In one hand it would be good that he's back and the Iron hands have there primarch return. But it dooms his chapter as his last wish was to rid them of there addiction to robotic and cybernetic enhancements. Him returning dooms the Iron hands forever . A true tragic and grim dark return. Not a cheap cop out, just to bring him back as a ghost of a different chapter
there is a part in "master of mankind" that hints super hard towards him, being a part of the army the emporer summons.
Guilliman and Johnson need to straighten things out on Vigilus before they'll have a chance to meet.
Ferrus as a ghost fought on Cadia. He led the Legion of the Damned. (Fall of Cadia)
I like how after Omegon he abandoned the "status" format and just talked about latest news
I need to thank you for "peerodickalee" greatest pronunciation of the word had me in tears.
It's believed the 11 primarch is alive and Locked away in the Imperial palace because they have a prisoner there called Subject 11 and he is Guarded by a bunch of Custodes.
EOM clone
@@wallycs8140 What
Technically Alpharius is still alive, only one Primarch met the real Alpharius and that was Lion El' Jonson. The other Primarchs met Omegon (wich was murdered by Rogal Dorn).
So, Alpharius is still alive
maybe he met omicron claiming to be Alpharius what if the twins where triplets i mean there is always 3 heads of the hydra
@@Metalsonic91 Nope, the 3 heads of the Hydra means Alpharius, Omegon and The Legion itself.
No, While Alpharius went with his crew in search of his Twin Brother (Omegon) he came across the Flag Ship of The Lion.
When they boarded the ship they had a small chat with Lion El'Jonson.
In Short, Alpharius claimed to be just another Astarte just like the others (That was a lie) searching for his missing Primarch (That is also a lie but also is the truth).
*Speeding Up the Book*
He Eventually met Omegon, and they had that Twin Connection as Brothers.
After a Long talk between them, they planned that Omegon become the Public Face of the Legion while Alpharius stays in the shadows.
So, when all the primarchs join Big E, everyone met Omegon.
That's when the Main quote of the Book shows up.
"Who are You My brother?" -Horus
"Me? I Am Alpharius (and That was a Lie)" -Omegon
Alpharius is dead. The author, in an interview said it. He's dead from Rogal Dorn's chainsword, despite all the fan lore and conspiracy theories.
Vulkan is like Schroedinger's cat, sometimes dead, sometimes alive lmao
Not yet confirmed but primarch 11 maybe imprisoned in one of the Custodes vaults on Terra. And Horus isn't just dead, his soul was obliterated.
Horus is Dead Dead
no coming back from that..
@@MRsolidcolorLike he died died when he was killed
So back then it was Empire vs. Chaos (not including other factions) but then they were able to still withstand Chaos and half the forces lost to heresy? Empire must be crazy advantage back then
At the start of the heresy the imperium of man was on the brink of total galactic dominance. There was no faction that could defeat them, that's why Horace Hershey betrayed the Emperor: the minis must flow
Lmao vulkan just chilling in a vault sealed up waiting for the green light to come from the warp they ready for him on stage now they know hes too powerful to bring back rn 🤣
In one of the old novels Dorn's skeleton is encased in amber (or something, I dunno) and being held by the Imperial Fists. That was from like 30 years ago so I dunno if it is still considered canon.
As long as their souls exist they are not completely dead:P I think Horus is the only one that is completely gone, but he has been cloned and i dont know how that works when it comes to souls ;D.
The clone was incomplete. Functional but without the cool powers that made primarchs any different from a normal very big dude.
Can't wait to add clone Fulgrim to this list one day.
Dorn must live! For the imperium and the imperial fists!
Is Corvus the new strongest Loyalist Primarch?
As a Corvus stand I’m inclined to say yes
Sanguinius
If he took a break from writing emo poetry perhaps.
If Lion dies again maybe.
@@johnrobertelca1206 hes dead, im talking about living ones
So, I have been reading a lot of lore and speculation on the two lost Primarchs. Some of them are really fun, so I had to write one of my own.
Mantiken was to be the 11th primarch of the Emperor, and he was to be the strategist. A cunning intellect and an adaptable mind would be a boon for the future of the Imperium. Unfortunately, when the Warp pulled the primarch capsules and scattered them, Mantiken's was closest to the gate and took the brunt of the corrupting warp. Mantiken landed on a desolate world called Sthenos. A world consistently in conflict and limited on resources. He grew up learning that his body was his best weapon as stone and metal degraded and would eventually fail him. He became a war leader on Sthenos and lead his forces to many victories. In time he attacked an alien adversary he had never seen before. These were monsters with bio-organic weapons, many of which out competed the paltry weapons he had at his disposal. In victory he found an opportunity. The Warp had changed him, and his body was his best weapon. It was time to use them, he had an adaptable mind, and thanks to the Warp, an adaptable body. He began inducing mutations in his own body, often mimicking the xenos that nearly bested his forces.
The Emperor was, less then pleased to see his prized strategist intentionally becoming a mutant, but he was the Emperor and Mantiken was a Primarch. The mutations were never labeled as such. They were 'additional biological enhancements' that Mantiken's body could handle. For a time, this was enough. Mantiken took charge of the 11th Astartes and lead them to many victories for the Emperor. Due to the instability of Mantiken's Gene-seed, the 11th Legion never had the numbers of many of the other legions. Behind closed doors though, Mantiken and the Emperor of Mankind argued a good deal, especially on the topic of humans and what constitutes as a mutant. This rift grew when it was brought to the Emperor's attention that members of Mantiken's Astartes were encouraged to develop and grow their own mutations as rank and badges of honor. They were starting to need the Adeptus Mechanicus less and less. In many people's eyes, they were becoming uncontrollable.
A new world was discovered, but the Imperium decided that the inhabitants were mutants and not welcome amongst the Empire of Man. As a test of loyalty, and slight discipline, The Emperor sent Mantiken and the 11th to assist in the purging of the world to make it ready for true humans to colonize. After all, who would defy the Emperor? The 11th Astartes under command from their Primarch killed the Imperium forces there and protected the natives. This slight, would not go unanswered Mantiken believed that having a large portion of his Astartes there would deter reckless retaliation. He wanted to believe that he could convince the Emperor that it was wrong to purge them, that they were more useful to the Imperium alive then as target practice. However, the man who was sent to deal with Mantiken did not believe so. An Exterminatus can be called on a planet where the cost of claiming it is higher than the resources there, and battling an entire legion of Astartes? Well, they encouraged mutants, defied the Emperor and 'unjustly' killed many brave men of the Imperium. They were traitors.
The planet was reduced to asteroids by intense bombardment. When this agent returned to tell The Emperor the wonderful news that the world was taken care of and the diabolical warp infused traitor was dealt with before he could corrupt any more.... he did not receive the reward he was expecting. The remaining 11th Legion Astartes were called to Holy Terra, where they had their minds wiped and discretely transferred to other Legions with their gene-seeds labeled as 'corrupted' so they would never be used again. To cover up that the Primarchs could be killed, the failings of the agent, and the treason of Mantiken, The Emperor declared all information on the 11th Legion to be redacted and erased from history. Few of the Primarchs remember their brother Mantiken. He was strong, he was able and despite having extremely different views then his brethren, was a Primarch and a good friend to many of his brothers, now lost and purged form history.
7 Loyalists vs 6 1/2 Traitors
I can't wait until the Lion returns to the Dark Angels.
Sanginius was not at 100% when he fought Horus not even close.
Before the final assault he had just fought banished a named greater daemon of Khorn o'l KB.
And had been up fighting non stop for weeks on end.
But he accepted his fate like a Boss and Horus choked him to death with his Talon.
A part of Dorn still exists too, the bones of one of his hands.
And every serving chapter master has scrimshawed their name onto it.
So....your saying he would have won at 100%? Even though, Horus nearly beat the Big E? Afterwards, E is basically on life support the rest of his life.
.....ok.
@@bradschultz2436 No one is saying he would have won. After all, writers would never allow it. But he was definitely weakened.
should really count fulgrim as dead, as his soul is now in the body of the clone. which kinda mean he did die and whatever the deamon is, is not him
they can't kill him, GW still needs to make the Emperor's Children Codex for 10th edition, without their primarch, it wouldn't be as hype lol
I personally hope that Alpharius and Omegon are both still alive, I can't explain why but I can't help but feel like it defeats the point of there being two Alpha legion primarchs if only one is left. I guess both of them being dead also works to satisfy that in my head, but I'd prefer if both were still active (plus crazy theories of them still being loyal are quite intriguing as well)
whos gonna tell him...
@@morgymomo8535 I know that supposedly at least one is dead but they're the primarchs Alpha Legion, come on. If anyone could successfully fake their death, it would be Alpharius and Omegon
@benciudovchgottdank3460 I still like the theory that Cipher is Omegaon, seeing how cipher just easily outmaneuvered and Escape from custodes in their own Keep is just more evidence that concludes it even more.
I just don't believe that corswain/Zarhariel could not have made such an Escape.
@@benciudovchgottdank3460 Not supposedly, he is dead.
@@monkeydash4349 when it comes to 40k, and especially Alpha Legion, everything is "supposedly"
*Cries in Blood Angel*
Magnus did nothing wrong, and Purturabo had a point. Many points!
like Ahriman, he wanted to do the right thing but messed it up in the end.x D
@@mr.frostvampier well if Bug daddy E had been a smidge more forthcoming matters may have ended differently.
curze is like dorn killed of screen ... status unclear
Dumb question but how up to date is this?
Only one perpectual?... The perpectual is the worthy successor of the emperor
Lorgar, alive but shit scared if Corax gets hold of him.
Corax my boi stalking lograr
When it comes to anything about Alpharius and Omegon's fates:
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Between what Emp did to the Thunder Warriors then 2 of his brother primarchs Horus was kinda right. Edit: I know the TW geneseeds or whatever were deteriorating but maybe coulda put them in to stasis instead of you know…
Vulkan will comeback, and it's gonna be amazing
You've used primarch 0 "the angel" as a photo of sanguinius
Ok...I'm new here...but I thought we had 20 legions.....with 20 primarchs....and 2 the 2nd and 11th were incognito.. yet you got 20 here???? What am I missing???
Alpharius and Omegon are of the same legion, thus 21 primarchs
I like how you said: Ferrus is CURRENTLY dead.
they need to delve into the other primarchs man. i hate not knowing things.
At some point, you know sanguinius is coming back mainly because the model would sell and sell and sell god. I haven't painted a model in twenty years. I would buy that one
Hell I would argue that Amron is Dead two..... like he's equivalent to a souped-up zombie.. he really has no conscious adwareness... that might be his body but even his angry version of himself is not there...
How can Alpharius be dead when I'm Alpharius?
Why i see perturabo's picture there is a homer simpson in it?
Damn, i hate it that Ferrus is dead. Out of all Primarchs he accepted his purpose as intended by the Emperor in the most based way without whining, bitching, envy towards others or turning insane. He took it like a gigachad and moved on to get work done. He was one of the most senior among his brothers (Only Horus and Dorn ranked above him) and the finest craftsman of them. An outstanding general who served the Imperium without question. At the start of the heresy Horus even pointed out that with Ferrus it would be a cakewalk to win this war but the man was loyal to the bone. Sadly the only occasion Ferrus slipped because of completely understandable rage during the dropside massacre did end up fatally.
His mistake was that even after Horus, Angons, Fulgrims and Mortys betrayal he was blind to the fact that even a bigger betrayal is possible and so he counted on sick bastards like the Word Bearers and Night Lords backing him, Corvus and Vulcan up. Perty and Alpharius also werent the most trustworthy guys.
Him and G Man were the best Primarchs the Imperium had. And G Man would ve even followed his orders as Ferrus was senior to him. At least Ferrus had the best fate in this universe has to offer. Being peacefully dead. But i would ve loved it if there were more tales to tell about him. My favourite Primarch 💪
clone and stuff in the right soul - why not? Hell there might be Eldar tech that does something like that (since they need to navigate the souls away from the warp, of course no one is saying to use xenos tech, but I'm suggesting mankind can create its own version independently and use it on its troops.
@@martian8987 Yes, there are possibilities. However, i doubt it that they ll bring Ferrus back. Its very hard to write that since he isnt a perpetual. And there re plenty of Primarchs they can bring back much more easily and they offer lots of material for storytelling.
Also with that almost non-existent spotlight the Iron Hands already suffer from its very unlikely that they care about the dead Primarch of the biggest left behind childs in this lore.
Ferrus isn't dead.... Untill I show us his head.
How is Alpharius dead if I’m Alpharius
one this i love about Alpharius / Omegon and the Alpha legion has a whole is
trying to explain it to someone even if they know about the Alpha legion just leaves you both more confused about the Alpha legion
What about the deranged angel that the Emperor created that wants to kill all humans
So there are like 5 traitor Primarcs alive and active, while the imperium only have 3 or maybe 4 primarcs alive but only 2 active... How hasn't the imperium fallen yet with such handicap.
Because the traitor factions are tiny and incompetent in comparison. If the imperium was united and under the emperor's leadership the traitors would last about 20 minutes. The traitors are basically a guerrilla hiding in the forest, like colombia's FARC.
Conrad didn't mutate he just finally figured out what a primarch truly is
He and the lion are the only 2 who can actually use their true primarch abilities
Don't forget a primarch is a warp entity and he's become one with the darkness capable of blending with the shadows becoming the shadows
I believe all the traitor primarch's are actually using their true warp entity forms which they would have achieved eventually if they had trained
If that’s so, guiliman or vulkan next plz. Vulkan coming back with with his special primarch power along with being an eternal would be mega op
Is Alpharius truly dead? Doasn't he allways come back and nobody knows who the real Alpharius is?
Rogal Dorn might’ve killed either Alpharius or Omegon, theres no 100% but it’s most likely that one of the twins died
Their mother really fucked up the emperor's plan.
Caladus assassin's are deadly doubt he could have stopped it.
I feel like Fulgrim might return, or at least his clone sooner or later. Trazyn is know to do some f*ckery here and there, whos to say he might not let Clonegrim escape?
that perturabo tho
Plot-twist: Horus, with his chaos gifts, pushes Sanguinius over as he finally succumbs to the Black Rage/Blood Thirst. Sanguinius attacks the Emperor as he is forced to kill Sanguinius.
Stop peddling this shit and read the books.
How in the world are the space marines still fighting then considering they are heavily outnumbered and have little to no primarch backing them plus the emperor is in a stasis!
There are the Trillions of Guardsmen, the Mechanicus, the massive Imperial navy, PDF, assassins, Custodes, Sos, Sob, inquisition etc that helps them
Also a hypothesis: Omegon went on to lead the Grey Knights. I know, it's all shrouded in secrecy. I personally enjoy the hypothesis that one of the missing Primarchs went on to become Sigmar and the Fantasy setting is in fact somewhere in the galaxy.
Alpharius is't dead, we think he's Dead he trick Dorn and lives, but we don't know where and who he is or is he loyal or traitor.
Is it just me or did he show Fulgrim twice?
why all the loyalist primarchs are lost in the warp....
Alpharius is not dead, I am Alpharius
How can i be able to understand completely wh 40 k lore ? Also i want to know right now how is the most recent lore cuz i heard that emperor will ressurect or some like that 👀
As of now there are a few possibilities for the emperor, but he is far from resurrecting. An eldar once told robotow girlyman that he or the emperor could potentially become a god with enough faith from humans, psyker or not, some fans theorize he is already a sort of chaos god fighting in the warp. But overall, it’ll be a while before he comes back, I believe he will though, as was hinted when Big E’s thoughts(?) spilled out when girlyman went to the chamber of the golden throne, big e says, apotheosis, dead, alive and choose. apotheosis could mean Big E turning into a god
Jagathai is dead according to siege of terra books?!
VULKAN LIVES STOMPS STOMPS
Nice try, how can Alpharius be dead if *I AM ALPHARIUS!?*
ill never like any of the traitor primarchs, they killed the goat sanguinius. except for maybe magnus.
Ferrus Manus was *ahead* of the game.
Ferous Manus? So a deconstruction of Iron Man? lol
Actually only the "evil" ones are well written
Incorrect, Lorgar fought corax in m31
sanguinus dead
ferus manus dead
horus superdead
Perturabo is actually not a demon prince. It merely seems thar way because he's like a ghost, kept alive by an ever-growing suit of armor
Wrong. He is a daemon prince, it is confirmed in HH novels and the Honsou novels
Why does this guy sound familiar
Alpharius is alive. Omegon is dead
Ferrus will live!
Ferrus will return
Datazo es que Horus sufrió una Permadeath xd
you gotta chill it a bit or have some standard for the ai stuff man some of this doesnt even look like stuff that could be from 40k
Haite,size, please
thecniquely alpharius is not dead because i am
What about perturabo
5 minute mark
relatable
Conrad dead ?
Holyshit! MindQ!!
2:11 fake news
Im Alpharius.