The magnetic drawer is actually useful. If you use the drawer for token cards you can easier get the drawer out. This would be my box IF they had a version which could hold deckboxes.
I can definitely see that. I guess for me personally, I'm just puzzled by small magnet flap on the drawers themselves. It just seems unnecessary as they could have just put in a little space for a finger hold and it would have done the same thing. But I can absolutely see how they could be useful in various applications.
@@Froschie2004 He had some good things to say about the product as well. There is no reason to throw insults at him just because he admits the product has flaws and does not fit his needs.
This is my favorite product ever. I use the side slots to carry oversleeved commanders and the larger slot for a digital life pad which I've NEVER had a product be able to accommodate and it fits it perfectly. So nice to not go digging blindly through my backpack for that every FNM. As for the drawers I'm a player who loves to have tokens and counters physically represented and if possible, with the official, appropriate, token from Wizards. The open-topped tray perfectly fits a Cheesex standard dice set as well as a large d6 container (the one with like 25 d6s) and the slotted trays I use to hold my "token board" which is 30-40 of every relevant token, monarch, innovative, dungeon, On an Adventure, etc card I could ever need and when they come up from any of my decks I'm carrying I have access to the real thing right there. I will concede it would have been nice to have smaller deck boxes fit in the main compartment, it's such a snug fit even oversleeved cards cannot fit which is a bummer for my most blinged-out deck. The material could also be better, color options as well. Great review, just wanted to drop my anecdotal experience with the product!
The flap is there to help get tokens out of it when you only have one or two left. There’s even a little indentation on bottom of the drawer. If you don’t want it flapping out when you go to pull it out, just put it in with the solid side facing out….
basically you just want a box. That's fine. Get a box. This seems the wrong tool for your needs. But judging it based on those needs is like saying: Water - 0 points, because i'm not thirsty, i'm hungry. Those drawers with the flap for instance have the purpose of being able to be filled with cards and when you can't put your finger in the slot anymore because cards are in the way you can pull the flap down and grab that to pull out the drawer. Also the size is to also fit like a cube in it. Cube as in "the format", not a deck box.
And that's why I said it doesn't fit my needs, but it might fit yours. Which is great! I hadn't thought about the flap with cards, so thank you for mentioning that! I'll remember that if I come across these again in another product. Thanks for watching!
@@beyondthedeckbox I'm not sure if they released an English version, i recently watched a German review including an interview with the developers which is where of course all the feats where mentioned - however it was about the newer lair 600+, which does feature both those magnetic drawers and bigger standard drawers for dice and tokens. Thanks for the video! I did not mean to be mean, sorry! I wished you had the chance to learn more about the feats and then tell us 'look, i wouldn't need those' or why you would improve on them technically. Those thin slots i totally agree about - guess those should've gotten some slots at the bottom...
@@aegidaeon No worries at all! I completely understand where you are coming from. This box obviously is trying to meet specific goals and frankly, I think it does it well. I just don't have those goals myself. I also have since recognized that I need to spend a bit more time with the products and read up on them a bit more since I have done this review. I do really appreciate your comments! And I will try and find that video you mentioned. Thanks again!
I luv it. I bought it for a cube but ended using it for all my fab decks, dices, tokens, extra sleeves, artbooks, it's my fav box, not only ferpect for their use but beautiful; but you're right about the external material. the compartments are basically a copy of tolarian's academic and the flapping things instead of normal draws give them much more longevity since the friction is high.
That's awesome! Gamegenic has also started to roll out "Armorfyber" which is closer to the type of material Ultimate Guard uses. I'm hoping they bring it products like these.
A token box is a great idea! I’m thinking of making mine a cube satellite box (the box I take to game night instead of schlepping the whole cube) or a Jumpstart battle box.
I like this review because it’s honest. Now I personally love these because it fits my preferences but it’s still good to know what the limitations might be. I use the side slots for score pads and random leaflets that came with various magic products. The draws I use as follows, the top is various dice and the rest sorts tokens. I also see the need for a loose card holder because most stuff out there is for deck boxes. The dungeon holds those like a champ.
too much of this review was you being unhappy that this isn't a carbon copy of the Arkhive. It already exists. This covers a different set of use cases from the Arkhive. And good news: It doesn't require buying a bunch of Boulders.
You are correct! And here is my follow up video! They CUT a deckbox in HALF!? | An FDS Review th-cam.com/video/R6OfdlCQNXk/w-d-xo.html I came into the review thinking it was one thing, and when it wasn’t I was harsh. (And by harsh I said I don’t like but if you like the features then pick one up. Which isn’t that harsh to be honest.). The follow up video goes into that a bit. Thanks for watching!
Why don't you just reverse the drawer and push the side with the magnetic flap in first, so you will only be pulling at the non-magnetic side. Then when u pull it out, your D20 will not 'pour' all over the place. Actually, I love this case design. Fits my need totally.
That makes sense. I think my bigger issue was the smaller flaps on the doors. They seem unnecessary, but that's just me. I'm glad you like it and it fits your needs!
I used to play Magic, but I don't these days. When I saw this at my local store the first thing I thought of was using it for a card based game that has some extra tokens or pieces. Something like The Lord of the Rings: The Card Game, or Terraforming Mars: Ares Expedition.
Hi, I know this is an old video but if you see this, how hard is it to pick your deck out if you happen to fill it with 4 decks + tokens if they fit? Also I'm assuming planechase cards are the same size as the oversized commander decks? Just to be sure those fit in there? And thank you. Been looking for a box that can protect my planechase cards and smarthive isn't an option since the only ones left on the market are pink. Not my color.
I'm sorry to hear that. Have they responded since? I know I had some trouble with a binder awhile back and Gamegenic eventually came through when the vendor didn't. (It did take them a long time to get back to me though. Over a week at least.)
Cubemajigs can hold 20 single sleeved cards and 15 double sleeved cards and you're right they are essentially cube draft packs. (I've been able to get about 25 or so unsleeved cards in my cubeamajigs.) At around the 7:00 point in the video is where I show putting in my cubeamajigs and it fit 20 in the box. Hope that helps!
Really appreciate the balanced take on the product. It would probably work for my needs but hearing your personal cons/use cases, without any hyperbolic conclusions, is very helpful. Excellent review.
This is actually an excellent idea! I will definitely be checking these out. I'm usually looking for an excuse to go to Harbor Freight anyway. Thanks for the idea!
I didn't even think of that. I just checked and they do not fit. (They'll fit sideways like boulders would, like I show in the video, but that is far from ideal.) Thanks for bringing that up!
This review was really helpful. This product looks wicked. Going to use it for Marvel Champions & Lord of the Rings The Card Game when I want to drag like 4 decks and a few scenarios around to a friends to play. There's a billion solutions for Magic. This is great for boardgames
Thank you so much! I think this would be great for those! They also have a 600+ that was designed directly for the broader market of "Tabletop Gamers." I plan on reviewing that one as well soon!
It is a little annoying that the drawer compartment is on the right side. (I'm left-handed so I noticed it but it didn't ruin it for me. I guess I'm just used to living in a right-handed world.)
@@beyondthedeckbox I’ll email gamegenic about it once I get my hands of the “Academic” by the prof of tolarian , because the card lair 400+ convertible is way too big for me. It seems that gamegenic was about the release cards lair 133+ by naming it after the prof of tolarian
One of my good friends used a plastic bag for years. He finally caved and bought a Pirate Labs case when he got a promotion at work a couple years ago. I think he misses the bags...
Thank you! It's from a company called Streambeats. www.streambeats.com They do copyright free music for streamers and creators. They are constantly coming out with new stuff.
Yeah i dont think this product is for you. Archive seems like exactly what you want. This is for a person that just wants to take their planechase cards/3-4 decks and their dice and tokens and transport it all in 1 item without needing say a backpack.
I was! And if you watch my Academic review I go into that. I leave this up because in the end, I still recommended it just said it wasn't for me. Thanks for watching!
I just hopped over there and watched a few vids and I definitely hear it! (It's a little jarring sometimes to hear him say something exactly like I would.) I hadn't heard of that channel. I appreciate you mentioning it!
Shoeboxes are a great option! I prefer Nike boxes or Sketcher boxes myself. (My first MTG box was a shoebox from a pair of Sketchers I had in high school.) This was before I got one of the BCW card boxes. If the cards fit, it works!
I will point you to the Gamegenic Dungeon, Ultimate Guards entire line, and much more. It’s a very common feature people like and want. You don’t? That’s great! This box is for you! Thanks for watching!
What a petty review. Two years later and this is still one of, if not the best, card transporters out there. Watch the Professor, an authority unlike this guy, he lives this and gave it an A+. To find this many things wrong with such a great box is being contrary for views. Full stop. 16k views and 400 likes, great job.
Super petty. So petty I even suggested you purchase the product if you think you will like it as I said it was well made. I just can't believe how petty it is. (By the way, check out my Academic review where I address this video.) Have a great day!
hard to watch this man. your not really reviewing the proiduct your harping on things you dont like, instead of describing what each part does and then offer your opinion. you literally start the review with, " i dont like this" thats not an obvective review. appreciate the time you took.
I appreciate the comment. But isn't that what a review is? Going over the features and then stating whether you like said features? By definition reviews are subjective. I also made sure to go out of my way to say, 'Here are the features, I don't like them, but if you think you will, then this is for you!' Unless you are saying that I'm subjective in the sense that I'm biased in some way. (Having a stake in a competitor or something along those lines. Which is not the case.) Thank you for watching.
@@beyondthedeckbox my perception is that you didn’t like the product and effectively everything you started with was biased leaning into your overall feel on the item. Instead of pointing out the functionality then describing what you didn’t like in an unbiased way, but your dislike of the product overtook any kind of professional review of the item. Imo of course. Maybe I’m just a Karen idk
Check out my review of The Academic where I address this review. I haven’t taken this down because I didn’t like it (still don’t) but I still recommend you buy it if you think you might like it.
This is by far, comprehensively, the worse review I have ever seen. To be absolutely honest, we are all dummer for allowing your words to enter our brains.
The magnetic drawer is actually useful. If you use the drawer for token cards you can easier get the drawer out. This would be my box IF they had a version which could hold deckboxes.
I can definitely see that. I guess for me personally, I'm just puzzled by small magnet flap on the drawers themselves. It just seems unnecessary as they could have just put in a little space for a finger hold and it would have done the same thing. But I can absolutely see how they could be useful in various applications.
@Froschie2004 I realize it isn't for me, but if you like it, that's great! Hope it serves you well. Thanks for watching!
@@Froschie2004 He had some good things to say about the product as well.
There is no reason to throw insults at him just because he admits the product has flaws and does not fit his needs.
Very, very few. He tore this apart and most of it is comically petty.@@Knikon79
This is my favorite product ever. I use the side slots to carry oversleeved commanders and the larger slot for a digital life pad which I've NEVER had a product be able to accommodate and it fits it perfectly. So nice to not go digging blindly through my backpack for that every FNM.
As for the drawers I'm a player who loves to have tokens and counters physically represented and if possible, with the official, appropriate, token from Wizards. The open-topped tray perfectly fits a Cheesex standard dice set as well as a large d6 container (the one with like 25 d6s) and the slotted trays I use to hold my "token board" which is 30-40 of every relevant token, monarch, innovative, dungeon, On an Adventure, etc card I could ever need and when they come up from any of my decks I'm carrying I have access to the real thing right there.
I will concede it would have been nice to have smaller deck boxes fit in the main compartment, it's such a snug fit even oversleeved cards cannot fit which is a bummer for my most blinged-out deck. The material could also be better, color options as well.
Great review, just wanted to drop my anecdotal experience with the product!
Thank you so much for sharing! While this isn't my style of box, I know some people just love it. And that is awesome!
The flap is there to help get tokens out of it when you only have one or two left. There’s even a little indentation on bottom of the drawer. If you don’t want it flapping out when you go to pull it out, just put it in with the solid side facing out….
Thanks for the comment! Other commenters have mentioned similar uses for it. I'm glad it works for you!
basically you just want a box. That's fine. Get a box. This seems the wrong tool for your needs. But judging it based on those needs is like saying: Water - 0 points, because i'm not thirsty, i'm hungry. Those drawers with the flap for instance have the purpose of being able to be filled with cards and when you can't put your finger in the slot anymore because cards are in the way you can pull the flap down and grab that to pull out the drawer. Also the size is to also fit like a cube in it. Cube as in "the format", not a deck box.
And that's why I said it doesn't fit my needs, but it might fit yours. Which is great! I hadn't thought about the flap with cards, so thank you for mentioning that! I'll remember that if I come across these again in another product. Thanks for watching!
@@beyondthedeckbox I'm not sure if they released an English version, i recently watched a German review including an interview with the developers which is where of course all the feats where mentioned - however it was about the newer lair 600+, which does feature both those magnetic drawers and bigger standard drawers for dice and tokens. Thanks for the video! I did not mean to be mean, sorry! I wished you had the chance to learn more about the feats and then tell us 'look, i wouldn't need those' or why you would improve on them technically. Those thin slots i totally agree about - guess those should've gotten some slots at the bottom...
@@aegidaeon No worries at all! I completely understand where you are coming from. This box obviously is trying to meet specific goals and frankly, I think it does it well. I just don't have those goals myself.
I also have since recognized that I need to spend a bit more time with the products and read up on them a bit more since I have done this review. I do really appreciate your comments! And I will try and find that video you mentioned. Thanks again!
I luv it. I bought it for a cube but ended using it for all my fab decks, dices, tokens, extra sleeves, artbooks, it's my fav box, not only ferpect for their use but beautiful; but you're right about the external material. the compartments are basically a copy of tolarian's academic and the flapping things instead of normal draws give them much more longevity since the friction is high.
That's awesome! Gamegenic has also started to roll out "Armorfyber" which is closer to the type of material Ultimate Guard uses. I'm hoping they bring it products like these.
I purchased one as a token box, I love it.
That being said I wish they would make an XL and skip the side slots.
A token box is a great idea! I’m thinking of making mine a cube satellite box (the box I take to game night instead of schlepping the whole cube) or a Jumpstart battle box.
Check out the gamegenic dungeon 1100+ convertible
I like this review because it’s honest. Now I personally love these because it fits my preferences but it’s still good to know what the limitations might be. I use the side slots for score pads and random leaflets that came with various magic products. The draws I use as follows, the top is various dice and the rest sorts tokens. I also see the need for a loose card holder because most stuff out there is for deck boxes. The dungeon holds those like a champ.
Thank you so much!
too much of this review was you being unhappy that this isn't a carbon copy of the Arkhive. It already exists. This covers a different set of use cases from the Arkhive. And good news: It doesn't require buying a bunch of Boulders.
You are correct! And here is my follow up video!
They CUT a deckbox in HALF!? | An FDS Review
th-cam.com/video/R6OfdlCQNXk/w-d-xo.html
I came into the review thinking it was one thing, and when it wasn’t I was harsh. (And by harsh I said I don’t like but if you like the features then pick one up. Which isn’t that harsh to be honest.).
The follow up video goes into that a bit. Thanks for watching!
Why don't you just reverse the drawer and push the side with the magnetic flap in first, so you will only be pulling at the non-magnetic side. Then when u pull it out, your D20 will not 'pour' all over the place. Actually, I love this case design. Fits my need totally.
That makes sense. I think my bigger issue was the smaller flaps on the doors. They seem unnecessary, but that's just me. I'm glad you like it and it fits your needs!
I used to play Magic, but I don't these days. When I saw this at my local store the first thing I thought of was using it for a card based game that has some extra tokens or pieces. Something like The Lord of the Rings: The Card Game, or Terraforming Mars: Ares Expedition.
Hi, I know this is an old video but if you see this, how hard is it to pick your deck out if you happen to fill it with 4 decks + tokens if they fit? Also I'm assuming planechase cards are the same size as the oversized commander decks? Just to be sure those fit in there? And thank you. Been looking for a box that can protect my planechase cards and smarthive isn't an option since the only ones left on the market are pink. Not my color.
I was sad because the black color is very faded and looks dirty.
I bought the watch tower yesterday, it has glue coming off, the stitching is pulled off and the flaps don’t sit flush…they won’t respond to e-mails
I'm sorry to hear that. Have they responded since? I know I had some trouble with a binder awhile back and Gamegenic eventually came through when the vendor didn't. (It did take them a long time to get back to me though. Over a week at least.)
What's cubamajix? Like small boxes for cube draft packs? Aren't those boxes you showed much bigger than 15 cards?
Cubemajigs can hold 20 single sleeved cards and 15 double sleeved cards and you're right they are essentially cube draft packs. (I've been able to get about 25 or so unsleeved cards in my cubeamajigs.) At around the 7:00 point in the video is where I show putting in my cubeamajigs and it fit 20 in the box. Hope that helps!
Great videos! Do you know if this fits 400 double sleeved comfortably or super tight like boulders?
This should definitely fit 400 double sleeved cards comfortably.
Really appreciate the balanced take on the product. It would probably work for my needs but hearing your personal cons/use cases, without any hyperbolic conclusions, is very helpful. Excellent review.
Thank you so much!
Tactical cases by Apache. Just wait for a 20% off coupon from Harbor Freight, then your deck box can take a hit from a bus.
This is actually an excellent idea! I will definitely be checking these out. I'm usually looking for an excuse to go to Harbor Freight anyway. Thanks for the idea!
@@beyondthedeckbox spray the foam interior with plati dip for a more solid longer lasting lining.
Do the compartments hold top loaders?
I didn't even think of that. I just checked and they do not fit. (They'll fit sideways like boulders would, like I show in the video, but that is far from ideal.)
Thanks for bringing that up!
I use those oversize commander cards. A regular deckbuilders toolkit box fits it perfectly. No need for this stuff.
The drawers would actually be perfect for Netrunner tokens to keep or take with you to play
I hadn't thought of that. That's a great idea for the drawers!
@@beyondthedeckbox tbh i doubt there are many people still playing physical Netrunner/Nisei, but it definitely appealed to me for that reason haha
This review was really helpful. This product looks wicked. Going to use it for Marvel Champions & Lord of the Rings The Card Game when I want to drag like 4 decks and a few scenarios around to a friends to play. There's a billion solutions for Magic. This is great for boardgames
Thank you so much! I think this would be great for those! They also have a 600+ that was designed directly for the broader market of "Tabletop Gamers." I plan on reviewing that one as well soon!
What if you’re left-handed?
It is a little annoying that the drawer compartment is on the right side. (I'm left-handed so I noticed it but it didn't ruin it for me. I guess I'm just used to living in a right-handed world.)
@@beyondthedeckbox I’ll email gamegenic about it once I get my hands of the “Academic” by the prof of tolarian , because the card lair 400+ convertible is way too big for me. It seems that gamegenic was about the release cards lair 133+ by naming it after the prof of tolarian
I'll stick with my doubled Walmart bags. Best reaction when you just dump your pile out on the table.
One of my good friends used a plastic bag for years. He finally caved and bought a Pirate Labs case when he got a promotion at work a couple years ago. I think he misses the bags...
Well damn, glad I watched. I specifically wanted to put deck boxes in it. Thanks for the review!
Thanks for watching! Glad I could help!
@@Froschie2004They make the dungeon to hold deck boxes.
Your vids have great tunes
Thank you! It's from a company called Streambeats. www.streambeats.com They do copyright free music for streamers and creators. They are constantly coming out with new stuff.
Yeah i dont think this product is for you. Archive seems like exactly what you want. This is for a person that just wants to take their planechase cards/3-4 decks and their dice and tokens and transport it all in 1 item without needing say a backpack.
I thinking it is awesome
I think you misunderstanding this product
I was! And if you watch my Academic review I go into that. I leave this up because in the end, I still recommended it just said it wasn't for me. Thanks for watching!
Think your being a bit too picky with it
Was just about to say this
I just ordered it and i saw in your video that it doesn't fit boulders or deck boxes... 😭😭😭😭
I'm so sorry! I was very surprised it didn't. Maybe it's Gamegenic's way of differentiating themselves from Ultimate Guard?
@@beyondthedeckbox They already have the dungeon that fits deck boxes.
Bro you sound just like this guy from the channel LGR. I wonder if you're from the same area.
I just hopped over there and watched a few vids and I definitely hear it! (It's a little jarring sometimes to hear him say something exactly like I would.) I hadn't heard of that channel. I appreciate you mentioning it!
until this day i’m looking for a transformer tcg box for collector 👁️
I use shoeboxes
Shoeboxes are a great option! I prefer Nike boxes or Sketcher boxes myself. (My first MTG box was a shoebox from a pair of Sketchers I had in high school.) This was before I got one of the BCW card boxes. If the cards fit, it works!
Guy complains about every feature k was looking for hahah
Then I have good news! This is absolutely for you and you should buy it! Thanks for watching!
@@beyondthedeckbox I had already bought it, was glad all your cons were already pros for me
if your decks are in boxes, why put those boxes in another box. really some half-baked complaints about the box. lol
I will point you to the Gamegenic Dungeon, Ultimate Guards entire line, and much more. It’s a very common feature people like and want. You don’t? That’s great! This box is for you! Thanks for watching!
For the same reason vehicles have multiple safety features, redundant protection is good protection. Well, except for some niche situations.
The Game Lair 600+ is even more of a modgepodge of shitty half-assed ideas literally thrown into a box.
What a petty review. Two years later and this is still one of, if not the best, card transporters out there. Watch the Professor, an authority unlike this guy, he lives this and gave it an A+. To find this many things wrong with such a great box is being contrary for views. Full stop. 16k views and 400 likes, great job.
Super petty. So petty I even suggested you purchase the product if you think you will like it as I said it was well made. I just can't believe how petty it is. (By the way, check out my Academic review where I address this video.) Have a great day!
Video was full of cringe and boomer.
Please elaborate.
hard to watch this man. your not really reviewing the proiduct your harping on things you dont like, instead of describing what each part does and then offer your opinion. you literally start the review with, " i dont like this" thats not an obvective review. appreciate the time you took.
I appreciate the comment. But isn't that what a review is? Going over the features and then stating whether you like said features? By definition reviews are subjective. I also made sure to go out of my way to say, 'Here are the features, I don't like them, but if you think you will, then this is for you!'
Unless you are saying that I'm subjective in the sense that I'm biased in some way. (Having a stake in a competitor or something along those lines. Which is not the case.)
Thank you for watching.
@@beyondthedeckbox my perception is that you didn’t like the product and effectively everything you started with was biased leaning into your overall feel on the item. Instead of pointing out the functionality then describing what you didn’t like in an unbiased way, but your dislike of the product overtook any kind of professional review of the item. Imo of course. Maybe I’m just a Karen idk
You made a review before you ever remotely understood the product. I’d take down the video, but atleast you showcase the product lol
Check out my review of The Academic where I address this review. I haven’t taken this down because I didn’t like it (still don’t) but I still recommend you buy it if you think you might like it.
This is by far, comprehensively, the worse review I have ever seen. To be absolutely honest, we are all dummer for allowing your words to enter our brains.
Thanks for watching!
Also, thanks for the comment! It helps engagement so my videos can make more people dumber!
I feel like you complaining to complain😂
I run a TH-cam channel with reviews of tcg accessories…of course I’m complaining to complain.