As long as you own the bike they have your back - sold 300% stronger frame then the competitors - sold 100% made in the U.S.A. - sold About $1000 cheaper then most carbon frames - sold Your buying about four bikes in one - sold State of Colorado gave a grant!!! cmon people these guys are the Elon and Tony Stark of MTBing
The price is a fascinating point. The amount of people who will defend the pricing of new bikes/ frames is all good and well but when a small company starts producing frames in the US for considerably less than most from the far east one really had to contemplate how much the industry gouges on prices.
Please don’t include Elon Musk in same sentence as Tony Stark, ones a super hero ones parading as one! GG looks good and always seems to have had there customers backs, Tesla is overpriced paper weight!
@@ile911 if anything that makes it more impressive, skilled metal workers/ welders/ composite laminators all at one US based manufacturing company. Quite admirable when everybody’s trying to move manufacturing overseas.
"300% stronger" - Stronger where? On traditional carbon frames, there can be a massive variance in impact strength on the frame depending where you test... The head tube cup area is going to be significantly stronger than the center topside of the downtube, for instance. Once has multiple fiber types and is four times thicker than the other.
@@cup_and_cone They are comparing the bulk material properties and so geometry has been made constant. They are probably talking about "compression after impact" test coupons, which is a common way to test damage tollerance.
He said impact resistance meaning probably the force you need to penetrate the material with a sharp object is 3 times higher (than whatever they tested). It does not mean that the frame is stronger in general. Just if a rock touches it, it will not damage the frame as easily.
Great to see innovation on the manufacturing side. Love that its made in the USA. Anything that makes mountain biking more accessible ($$$) the better.
Based on the description I'm guessing the new material is Hexcel 8552 epoxy resin. High cure temp epoxy for prepreg fiber used in the 787 window frames.
Looking at the data sheet I don't think that is right. Standard 350 F cure that requires an autoclave. From what I can tell they are using a higher temp, out of autoclave material. They are also powdercoating the frames which require 400+ degrees F. The 8552 has a service temp up to 250 F.
I'm on a 2021 Gnarvana with an eleven six on the back and Fox 38 on the front and I love it!! This bike can do it all and is a bike that I'll never "outgrow" as far as ability. Made in Denver/USA makes you feel good... just saying.
This is awesome! I started working for a thermoplastic carbon fiber company recently and immediately thought of using thermoplastic for bike components. Thank you GG for doing it! The new geo is pretty sweet too. Super stoked to demo one of these soon.
Like the warranty and a company that supports their customers. This is a long forgotten tradition that’s seems to be coming back into America . I believe it’s because the smaller shops building a brand reputation and their backs of hard work .
That's very good! Kudos to these guys for coming up with this and to the State of CO for supporting them with a grant. Now I just need to ditch my old carbon bike and get a Smash...any cash for clunkers???
I think the logic behind the aluminum is it is still a great material for impacts and more importantly repeated impact and the rear end of bikes get abused so carbon isn’t the best material for rear ends also makes it cheaper to replace
but as they told in the video they'de have to build all those expensive molds for the many different rear ends. so i guess its mainly due to the immens costs of having so many molds.
@@jeskeland carbon fiber doesnt have a fatigue life, the only time CF has problems is not impacts of repetition but punctures and forces from directions its not designed to handle.
What about it? The headset cup isnt new, the idea of switching out a part of the linkage isnt new and the process of making the frame was copied from making composite parts for airplanes. I dont hate it, but its not that innovative. Also I cant prove it, but 300% more impact strengt is just bullshit.
TH-cam User what is the main innovation they are claiming here? It's the manufacture process which hasn't been used in the bike industry yet, as they stated, which drops the cost enough to make the frame competitive with overseas frames.We'll see how well the bike pans out in reviews, testing and actual costs. It's not a complete wash. Sometimes simple things can help tremendously.
Due to it being 300% ,so 3 times as strong as a traditional carbon frame does it also mean you could theoretically make a frame which is the same strength as a traditional frame but 3 times lighter?
Julius Steezer But if you think about it the strength difference is all In the resin so theoretically if they used less fibers but the same amount of resin it would be lighter and the same stiffness? I don’t know tbh but this is really interesting to me for some reason! The carbon manufacturing process hasn’t changed much in the last few years so this is really something special
They are only talking about impact resistance. This property is mostly related to the toughness of the resin system and its ability to absorb energy. On the other hand, strength in a composite material comes from the fibers and their ability to withstand tension. The matrix (resin) is merely a vehicle for transporting stress between the fibers. When you strike a piece of carbon fiber, the failure occurs in the polymer matrix, as it cannot deform fast enough to absorb the energy from the impact. A metal on the other hand, can bend and convert some of that energy to internal heat. Think of an aluminum baseball bat getting dented, whereas a wooden one snaps in half. The new resin GG is working with is trying to behave more like the aluminum.
I'm reaaaaaaaally pumped about this. I've already started talking to my LBS about getting me own through their shop direct channel. I love the idea of being able to go from a short travel bike to a long travel bike with just a few part swaps. Really curious about how durable it really is. Still going to give a trail pistol a shot though.
I got my top of the range 2019 hightower lt cc shipped to the UK for £5,800,i know the conversion takes it over the $6000 limit, but to get a bike shipped over adds price. I'm sure yt is under $6000 too?
Curing process you can save lots if they use higher temp resin Than u can cure it in a press in 10-15 mins ( where the tool is always heated) this way you can shovel in the parts without waiting to the tool cool down Before comes lamination that makes 30-45 mins u can make a frame in 1h ( this is my conclusion based on the pictures i saw in the video )
Looks to me ( just a guess) like they're not using carbon strands, they're using carbon injection moulding, where they sort of take carbon dust and use it to hold together the resin. This explains the difference in manufacture time, impact stiffness, different resin at the talking his way around the subject at 4:26, he just said what the traditional method was.
I am working in the Aerospace industry, I mainly impacted CRFP rotor baldes, and made some analysis of the parts afterwards. Would love to see a impact test comparison between your frame and a competitor frame. Would also be intressted of the CAI value of your material.
Really interesting. I look forward to seeing how this all progresses. Good to hear they intend to stand by their product, that’s a big part of what I look for when investing lots of cash money, oh and a sprinkle of awesomeness. 🤛🏻💥
They were already my favourite bike co. I’ve been lusting over a megatrail for over a year. Now this. Damn, I hadn’t considered carbon an option. Bonus points for the headset reach adjust cups. Well fkn done GG🤘🔥👌
good looking bikes.. the pricing seems not bad for an American made frame , actually for a frame honestly.. If I hadn't just got a new Trance Advance 2 I'd certainly consider this option.. I haven't had a Made in USA frame since my late 90s Stumpjumper Pro that had a USA frame.. Anyways.. looking forward to seeing more about this.. sounds very interesting.
Hell yes! I'm a life long metal ludite! But this has definitely peaked my interest 8n carbon. Especially as where I ride is very rocky & unforgiving. 🤘
Playing with fire with the Megadeth font and Vic on the t-shirt. Dave might not be so cool with that. Nice bike though, love the thinking behind the company, very smart.
In the market for a new bike and they are now on my short list. But how did they determine their CF is 300 percent stronger? At least Santa Cruz destroys frames and shows you. Also would be interested to hear from a CF expert who is neutral regarding their process.
Those big companies are paying those Asian companies pennies to make those bike , and are selling us the bike for thousands of dollars. A small US company can manage to make a better product for less proves the point. Anyone in the us that are buying mountain bike should buy from you guys , and not just because it's made in the USA, it just makes more sense.
perfectly explained, almost anybody from the big brands out there charge you as much as they can, because of that nobody has touched this method/material yet. they milk the cow
I believe they mix carbon particulate in the epoxy resin and make the resin stronger that way. That resin is used on the carbon fiber layering, but you end up with a more robust layering. This is comparable to Magura brake lever's material they call "Carbotecture". Magura is also very reluctant to give away the recipe. The thing is that is that you probably can't get a patent in the US for the material, anybody can mix compounds. What Magura did in Germany was to register the "Carbotecture" brand as a trademark but that doesn't mean they own the recipe. This is the reason they are so secretive about it, anybody can mix carbon powder into the epoxy resin. My 2c
i believe what magura uses is non continious fiber(thats why those levers are not stiff(enough if you ask any people))(some people use the bullshit term of forged carbon fiber) what GG uses sounds like a thermoplastic matrix (not far of what normal people call plastic) thats very tough(you cab strike a coke bottle with a hammer and it will not shatter easily (not like normal epoxy matrix cfrp). Years ago i worked at an institute where they developed leading edges for airbus using carbon fiber and thermoplastic Matrix(resin)(because the leading edges are most prone to damage by impact) toughening the resin with carbon particles (like nano tubes) CAN TOUGHEN IT (BUT I DONT SEE +300% and it would increase the price of the frame significant)
Finally theres a new kid on the block that could help those mountainbike enthusiastch with a much better and cheaper way of owning a carbon fiber frame.
So no more aluminum frames ? Just wondering. The carbon deal is cool however would it ever be recyclable? As I understand it as of now carbon is not recyclable . Am I wrong ?
It is recyclable there's just not a lot of companies doing it. The process is they basically heat the resins up to extract the fiber itself grind that material up which is then made into a weaker carbon fiber for non load-bearing parts I know for a fact company in Spain does it and more will be doing it here and there and everywhere...
According to their press release, yes, it is more recyclable and recyclable in the US, doesn't need to be shipped overseas for specialized equipment. Something about how the resin and the fibers are combined
Hope that when i get my first salary someday, this bike will be available in the philippines.... it sure is cheap than other bikes sold here.... peace!
I'm surprised they allowed a camera crew to take that many pictures of their machinery. If this manufacturing process is really that new I would had every thing covered with tarps. That being said these bikes look awesome and I hope they can get on the map as far as selling these bikes. You could have an xc, enduro, and dh bike with just different shocks and forks that's dope.
The only thing they showed pictures of was the press. I suspect that it isn't anything special other than it gets hotter than a normal one. The fancy proprietary part of the process is their automated layup machine. They didn't show it at all.
i believe theyre process is rtm with a thermoplastic matrix(thats not new, you decrease manual labour and increase impact strength(toughness in this context) but loose a little bit of strength
My mathematics teacher once told me - in Business, never believe an EVEN number. 300% stronger, 80% more efficient, reduce manufacturing by 2-4 hours, 90% less labour, $1000 less than the competition, etc, etc. Hmmmm! If it makes mountain biking "more awesome", I'm all for it!
The better question. Why are those manufacturing in the east, with no labor controls or environmental protections able to charge so much? RICO charges and price fixing?
So from reading their website they have a 30 day satisfaction guarantee. If you buy one, and don't like it then you get to send it back and get your money refunded sans the shipping cost? If that's true then that's awesome. I know Fezarri offers something similar, but you also don't get the option to buy through your LBS.
Every review I've read has said that weight claim was 100% misleading. They are heavier than contemporary carbon frame bikes. That said I still bought one and think it's awesome. A little bit of marketing fibbing isn't something Im worried about.
Great idea even if I think the price of this frame is more related to the Lenght of the supply chain, the Import duties and mostly to the Cost Margin criteria compared to the ones of the big bike brands. I bet that the same exactly frame made by Specilized in USA would cost about double! I'm sure all the Big Brands are thinking "stupid Guerrilla guys you are breaking our toy.....!"
Cadillac is also made in the USA. Like with Cadillac, not all new technology is useful or beneficial to the driver. Also there is a huge difference between carbon fiber and poly-resin infused with carbon strands. Most bike shops won't touch them for repairs or tune ups. Buyer beware, in my opinion.
Honestly i don't find it cheap. The rear triangle is the expensive part, and here it's aluminium. Not that thats bad, but it should effect the price. Plus the seattube brace is also designed to be cheap/fast in manufactoring.
As long as you own the bike they have your back - sold
300% stronger frame then the competitors - sold
100% made in the U.S.A. - sold
About $1000 cheaper then most carbon frames - sold
Your buying about four bikes in one - sold
State of Colorado gave a grant!!! cmon people these guys are the Elon and Tony Stark of MTBing
The backend is alloy is not all carbon frame and the price is not so special
The price is a fascinating point. The amount of people who will defend the pricing of new bikes/ frames is all good and well but when a small company starts producing frames in the US for considerably less than most from the far east one really had to contemplate how much the industry gouges on prices.
@@ile911 Taiwan is that you?
Please don’t include Elon Musk in same sentence as Tony Stark, ones a super hero ones parading as one!
GG looks good and always seems to have had there customers backs, Tesla is overpriced paper weight!
@@ile911 if anything that makes it more impressive, skilled metal workers/ welders/ composite laminators all at one US based manufacturing company. Quite admirable when everybody’s trying to move manufacturing overseas.
If this is really 300% stronger against impacts than other frames, I'd like to see the pinkbike smash a frame on a concrete slab test
Nah i rather see it get nuked
Must be a thermoplastic matrix - I suspect PEEK
"300% stronger" - Stronger where? On traditional carbon frames, there can be a massive variance in impact strength on the frame depending where you test... The head tube cup area is going to be significantly stronger than the center topside of the downtube, for instance. Once has multiple fiber types and is four times thicker than the other.
@@cup_and_cone They are comparing the bulk material properties and so geometry has been made constant. They are probably talking about "compression after impact" test coupons, which is a common way to test damage tollerance.
I also want to see some tests to back up the strength claims.
Damnnnnn super interesting stuff. Loving any and all progress made in frame manufacturing.
Worldwide Cyclery -
Should carry GG,
WWC should make there own line of bikes:)
I think GG is looking to get bought out by one of the big brands
Peter Dy doubtful. If anything, the bigger guys will just adopt the new MFG methods with the quickness.
He said impact resistance meaning probably the force you need to penetrate the material with a sharp object is 3 times higher (than whatever they tested). It does not mean that the frame is stronger in general. Just if a rock touches it, it will not damage the frame as easily.
Which is the way 99% of carbon bikes crack. From impacts. Atleast in the shop I work in
So much respect to a company pushing innovation and reducing prices. Big up GG
Great to see innovation on the manufacturing side. Love that its made in the USA. Anything that makes mountain biking more accessible ($$$) the better.
Very VERY interested to check this out. The industry needs a kick in the butt to get prices down!
You get a fully handmade Stanton frame with custom colours ans an X2 for way way less than an carbon fibre frame made in Asia.
This is ridicilous.
This isnt cheap. They use entryevel components all the way around on a 4k bike.
Based on the description I'm guessing the new material is Hexcel 8552 epoxy resin. High cure temp epoxy for prepreg fiber used in the 787 window frames.
hmm i will search abou that... you might ended helping me changing the future of bikes aswell😉👀
I was thinking thermoplastic resin could match those claimed properties, however manufacturing would be a real pain.
Looking at the data sheet I don't think that is right. Standard 350 F cure that requires an autoclave. From what I can tell they are using a higher temp, out of autoclave material. They are also powdercoating the frames which require 400+ degrees F. The 8552 has a service temp up to 250 F.
Close it’s actually the Hexcel 8553 resin.
I'm on a 2021 Gnarvana with an eleven six on the back and Fox 38 on the front and I love it!! This bike can do it all and is a bike that I'll never "outgrow" as far as ability. Made in Denver/USA makes you feel good... just saying.
Definitely stopping by your shop this week to check these out. Looking forward to what you guys have.
This is awesome! I started working for a thermoplastic carbon fiber company recently and immediately thought of using thermoplastic for bike components. Thank you GG for doing it! The new geo is pretty sweet too. Super stoked to demo one of these soon.
I like this bike frame already. 🤘
I want one!! Made in the USA by a rad group of riders. Sign me up, this is a product worth supporting!
This company is so cool. I wished I liked their frame aesthetics more.
Rad. Well done GG on the innovation and solid interview Pinkbike!
I will own this bike as my next bike! As long as you own our bike they will take care of you and american made! SOLD!
All the best to Guerrilla. Great to see some great product made in the US
Like the warranty and a company that supports their customers.
This is a long forgotten tradition that’s seems to be coming back into America . I believe it’s because the smaller shops building a brand reputation and their backs of hard work .
That's very good! Kudos to these guys for coming up with this and to the State of CO for supporting them with a grant. Now I just need to ditch my old carbon bike and get a Smash...any cash for clunkers???
Wouldn't a 300% stronger material be a better option than alu for the rear triangle?
I think the logic behind the aluminum is it is still a great material for impacts and more importantly repeated impact and the rear end of bikes get abused so carbon isn’t the best material for rear ends also makes it cheaper to replace
it could be also a question of rear end stiffness
Röder true it may have made the big ride a tad harsh
but as they told in the video they'de have to build all those expensive molds for the many different rear ends. so i guess its mainly due to the immens costs of having so many molds.
@@jeskeland carbon fiber doesnt have a fatigue life, the only time CF has problems is not impacts of repetition but punctures and forces from directions its not designed to handle.
I want to work for these guys, innovating in the American way and keeping it real. Inspirational!
Love This...Great example of amazing American innovation!
awesome, innovation, efficiency, affordable, so many good things. These guys know how to make people want to ride their bikes.
the 3 dislikes was from trek haha
Fuck trek
This is on my Radar!
Always like GGs direction! 🤘
LOVE my Gnarvana!!
Super awesome can’t wait to get my hands on one of these bikes
Now THIS is innovation. American ingenuity.
What about it? The headset cup isnt new, the idea of switching out a part of the linkage isnt new and the process of making the frame was copied from making composite parts for airplanes.
I dont hate it, but its not that innovative.
Also I cant prove it, but 300% more impact strengt is just bullshit.
Youre right. Please wow us with your new and innovative bicycle brand, manufacturing processes, sizing schemes, and modular bike platforms.
TH-cam User what is the main innovation they are claiming here? It's the manufacture process which hasn't been used in the bike industry yet, as they stated, which drops the cost enough to make the frame competitive with overseas frames.We'll see how well the bike pans out in reviews, testing and actual costs. It's not a complete wash. Sometimes simple things can help tremendously.
Due to it being 300% ,so 3 times as strong as a traditional carbon frame does it also mean you could theoretically make a frame which is the same strength as a traditional frame but 3 times lighter?
Phil Rossetti you’d end up with a super flexy frame, remember he said 300% more impact resistance for the same stiffness as normal carbon.
Julius Steezer
But if you think about it the strength difference is all In the resin so theoretically if they used less fibers but the same amount of resin it would be lighter and the same stiffness? I don’t know tbh but this is really interesting to me for some reason! The carbon manufacturing process hasn’t changed much in the last few years so this is really something special
it aint all about impact resistance though. you have compression, tension, fatigue, shear loads etc etc.
They are only talking about impact resistance. This property is mostly related to the toughness of the resin system and its ability to absorb energy. On the other hand, strength in a composite material comes from the fibers and their ability to withstand tension. The matrix (resin) is merely a vehicle for transporting stress between the fibers. When you strike a piece of carbon fiber, the failure occurs in the polymer matrix, as it cannot deform fast enough to absorb the energy from the impact. A metal on the other hand, can bend and convert some of that energy to internal heat. Think of an aluminum baseball bat getting dented, whereas a wooden one snaps in half. The new resin GG is working with is trying to behave more like the aluminum.
Justin Christenson thanks Justin, that makes sense. You really know your shit when it comes to physics!
Love American made bikes and components. Glad to know I can buy carbon from the homeland now
I'm reaaaaaaaally pumped about this. I've already started talking to my LBS about getting me own through their shop direct channel. I love the idea of being able to go from a short travel bike to a long travel bike with just a few part swaps. Really curious about how durable it really is. Still going to give a trail pistol a shot though.
So stoke about this! I really like where GG is going with their manufacturing and modular bike "range".
The top of the line carbon cost under $6000 how many others can say that. I think I found a new bike company. And american made at that.
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I got my top of the range 2019 hightower lt cc shipped to the UK for £5,800,i know the conversion takes it over the $6000 limit, but to get a bike shipped over adds price. I'm sure yt is under $6000 too?
The content of this interview is very interesting. But I must say, the interview itself was very, very, well constructed. Congrats on a job well done.
Future is here. And I want one
Made in the shadows of Mile High Stadium, baby! You're killin it, Smalls!
Curing process you can save lots if they use higher temp resin
Than u can cure it in a press in 10-15 mins ( where the tool is always heated) this way you can shovel in the parts without waiting to the tool cool down
Before comes lamination that makes 30-45 mins u can make a frame in 1h
( this is my conclusion based on the pictures i saw in the video )
Sounds like they are doing a lot of really interesting stuff! I hope it all works for them, and I hope they have a really good composites engineer.
Looks to me ( just a guess) like they're not using carbon strands, they're using carbon injection moulding, where they sort of take carbon dust and use it to hold together the resin. This explains the difference in manufacture time, impact stiffness, different resin at the talking his way around the subject at 4:26, he just said what the traditional method was.
He said they're using long-strand continuous fibers.
Curious as to why they chose 30.9 over 31.6mm for the post diameter.
Love it. Way to break the mold.
Just realized the footage at 12:00 is from spider mountain. pretty dope.
I am working in the Aerospace industry, I mainly impacted CRFP rotor baldes, and made some analysis of the parts afterwards. Would love to see a impact test comparison between your frame and a competitor frame. Would also be intressted of the CAI value of your material.
I really wanna demo one of these.
Super Cool! I like the philosophy on promoting mtn. biking.
I will be looking to buy a frameset and build up.
Liking the versatility too. Very nice!
Really interesting. I look forward to seeing how this all progresses. Good to hear they intend to stand by their product, that’s a big part of what I look for when investing lots of cash money, oh and a sprinkle of awesomeness. 🤛🏻💥
How do I hook up Rocky Mountain and Guerrilla Gravity
They were already my favourite bike co. I’ve been lusting over a megatrail for over a year. Now this. Damn, I hadn’t considered carbon an option. Bonus points for the headset reach adjust cups. Well fkn done GG🤘🔥👌
Now one of these in an emtb
Nice sailboat in the background.
Very clever, instead of racing to the bottom, they are working smarter not cheaper.
Just ordered one today size 2 rally package 🤘
Yeah Man! Great interview questions etc.
good looking bikes.. the pricing seems not bad for an American made frame , actually for a frame honestly.. If I hadn't just got a new Trance Advance 2 I'd certainly consider this option.. I haven't had a Made in USA frame since my late 90s Stumpjumper Pro that had a USA frame.. Anyways.. looking forward to seeing more about this.. sounds very interesting.
I can’t wait to see how this goes! If the frames are as good as they claim we are in for a real game changer!
If this material is so good, I want them make a rims from it!
Revel Already Did
I still miss GGs aluminum bikes, they did great fabrication. Car racing mechanic roots
Hell yes! I'm a life long metal ludite! But this has definitely peaked my interest 8n carbon. Especially as where I ride is very rocky & unforgiving. 🤘
Playing with fire with the Megadeth font and Vic on the t-shirt. Dave might not be so cool with that. Nice bike though, love the thinking behind the company, very smart.
Kudos to GG! Doing it right.
In the market for a new bike and they are now on my short list. But how did they determine their CF is 300 percent stronger? At least Santa Cruz destroys frames and shows you. Also would be interested to hear from a CF expert who is neutral regarding their process.
This has all the advantages.
Awesome fairplay 👌👌👌
everyone here talking about the cost, strenght and americanity of this company. all im thinking, those frames look absolutely stunning
Reppin Colfax 🤣 ....oh yeah, I want one of these bikes!
So I should be able to use a MRP Hazzard 216x63 with the MEGATRAIL Seatstay kit?
Those big companies are paying those Asian companies pennies to make those bike , and are selling us the bike for thousands of dollars. A small US company can manage to make a better product for less proves the point. Anyone in the us that are buying mountain bike should buy from you guys , and not just because it's made in the USA, it just makes more sense.
perfectly explained, almost anybody from the big brands out there charge you as much as they can, because of that nobody has touched this method/material yet. they milk the cow
I believe they mix carbon particulate in the epoxy resin and make the resin stronger that way. That resin is used on the carbon fiber layering, but you end up with a more robust layering. This is comparable to Magura brake lever's material they call "Carbotecture". Magura is also very reluctant to give away the recipe. The thing is that is that you probably can't get a patent in the US for the material, anybody can mix compounds. What Magura did in Germany was to register the "Carbotecture" brand as a trademark but that doesn't mean they own the recipe. This is the reason they are so secretive about it, anybody can mix carbon powder into the epoxy resin. My 2c
i believe what magura uses is non continious fiber(thats why those levers are not stiff(enough if you ask any people))(some people use the bullshit term of forged carbon fiber)
what GG uses sounds like a thermoplastic matrix (not far of what normal people call plastic) thats very tough(you cab strike a coke bottle with a hammer and it will not shatter easily (not like normal epoxy matrix cfrp).
Years ago i worked at an institute where they developed leading edges for airbus using carbon fiber and thermoplastic Matrix(resin)(because the leading edges are most prone to damage by impact)
toughening the resin with carbon particles (like nano tubes) CAN TOUGHEN IT (BUT I DONT SEE +300% and it would increase the price of the frame significant)
If that's the case, I'm not being negative but make your warranty just as good as Santa Cruz.
nice camera work!
Finally theres a new kid on the block that could help those mountainbike enthusiastch with a much better and cheaper way of owning a carbon fiber frame.
So no more aluminum frames ? Just wondering. The carbon deal is cool however would it ever be recyclable? As I understand it as of now carbon is not recyclable . Am I wrong ?
It is recyclable there's just not a lot of companies doing it. The process is they basically heat the resins up to extract the fiber itself grind that material up which is then made into a weaker carbon fiber for non load-bearing parts I know for a fact company in Spain does it and more will be doing it here and there and everywhere...
So you recycled all of your aluminum frames? Stop pretending to be green..
B Franco do you know me ? No you don’t. So stop pretending you do .
According to their press release, yes, it is more recyclable and recyclable in the US, doesn't need to be shipped overseas for specialized equipment. Something about how the resin and the fibers are combined
jkaylen1 thanks for response . Good to know.
looks super nice
When does the ride review drop?
Hopefully my next bike !!
Looks like $2k is a thing of the past, now costs $3k for frame + shock
Yup. 2,745 for frame with shock.
Nice Ad Pinkbike
love it, LOVE IT!
Hope that when i get my first salary someday, this bike will be available in the philippines.... it sure is cheap than other bikes sold here.... peace!
Lol, where the hell did you find that "motorcycle"? I didn't see that there. Another excellent video.
Looks sick
Darn I want one now what to sell is the first thing that comes to mind
I'm surprised they allowed a camera crew to take that many pictures of their machinery. If this manufacturing process is really that new I would had every thing covered with tarps. That being said these bikes look awesome and I hope they can get on the map as far as selling these bikes. You could have an xc, enduro, and dh bike with just different shocks and forks that's dope.
The only thing they showed pictures of was the press. I suspect that it isn't anything special other than it gets hotter than a normal one. The fancy proprietary part of the process is their automated layup machine. They didn't show it at all.
i believe theyre process is rtm with a thermoplastic matrix(thats not new, you decrease manual labour and increase impact strength(toughness in this context) but loose a little bit of strength
Awesome stuff USA 🇺🇸 very good to see this for the future 🤘🏻🤘🏻
My mathematics teacher once told me - in Business, never believe an EVEN number. 300% stronger, 80% more efficient, reduce manufacturing by 2-4 hours, 90% less labour, $1000 less than the competition, etc, etc. Hmmmm! If it makes mountain biking "more awesome", I'm all for it!
The better question. Why are those manufacturing in the east, with no labor controls or environmental protections able to charge so much? RICO charges and price fixing?
So from reading their website they have a 30 day satisfaction guarantee. If you buy one, and don't like it then you get to send it back and get your money refunded sans the shipping cost? If that's true then that's awesome. I know Fezarri offers something similar, but you also don't get the option to buy through your LBS.
So it won’t snap in half???
Every review I've read has said that weight claim was 100% misleading. They are heavier than contemporary carbon frame bikes. That said I still bought one and think it's awesome. A little bit of marketing fibbing isn't something Im worried about.
Great idea even if I think the price of this frame is more related to the Lenght of the supply chain, the Import duties and mostly to the Cost Margin criteria compared to the ones of the big bike brands. I bet that the same exactly frame made by Specilized in USA would cost about double!
I'm sure all the Big Brands are thinking "stupid Guerrilla guys you are breaking our toy.....!"
I love my carbon trek fuel carbon frames are great
question, sponsoring a team anywhere?
Trying to resist upgrading my 2018 smash LOL.
Cadillac is also made in the USA. Like with Cadillac, not all new technology is useful or beneficial to the driver. Also there is a huge difference between carbon fiber and poly-resin infused with carbon strands. Most bike shops won't touch them for repairs or tune ups. Buyer beware, in my opinion.
Too good to be true
Awesome!
Honestly i don't find it cheap. The rear triangle is the expensive part, and here it's aluminium. Not that thats bad, but it should effect the price. Plus the seattube brace is also designed to be cheap/fast in manufactoring.
At 7:09 ish ufo way back in the sky???
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So the anti-Yeti.
Why is the frame not 300% lighter, rather than how heavy it is? The Trail Pistol is very heavy.
The market provides
My interest is peaked, especially since it's American made!