I want co-op UCS to be skinned correctly. I don't think the website is fixable, they need to hire new engineers because there's too many issues that the current engineers can't seem to solve. Other details they need to fix is when you drop in and out of rank mode, they need to remember where you left off
The sync problem has always been the most ridiculous thing to me. It’s so ironic that this is a rhythm game and they have never worked to improve this.
@@golden_woo6485 I say Konami because I've heard that DDR has sync issues of its own and Konami is a way bigger company than Andamiro. The loose NJ timing windows on Pump which most people play with help hide the sync a bit but on VJ stuff gets really hard to play there's no doubt about that.
I think Andamiro should care more about the dancefloor. When you try to play a step on a dancefloor that is freshly made and just got out of the factory, the gaming experience is a total nightmare and actions are usually "denied" which leads to unfair scores. Some Arcade-using advanced players in Korea have to inform arcade manager about the bad floor and apply their effort and supplies to "Tune" the floor. I don't think this is right. The company has to fulfill the customers' needs and minimize the inconvenience of the user. My English is bad so every meaning would not be delivered, but I hope some of you guys feel part of this unwarrantable feeling of dancefloor.
i want COOP x2 charts to be playable when the game is running in 2 players mode. that way two players can record their scores without having to play the same chart twice on a different card. but keep the COOP X3 and above charts unplayable
Would be cool to see individual results for co op charts the same way we could have rank scores be separate. Pump has so much potential from even small adjustments, would be amazing to see some major fixes tho
1. I agree with this video, especially separating the rank/regular mode scores. 2. I think leaderboard for individual charts existed in Prime1, though? 3. as for the last one, I'm kinda indifferent with it because IIDX doesn't transfer scores each time new version comes out (clear lamp is transferred though). personally I find it alright to redo our scores each time new version comes out, but transferring the scores would be nicer.
2:51 Holy shit you featured the two of the best players in the Philippines (Engr. Dane and Oniwang). Too bad that mall already burned down in 2017 and it killed 38 people (most of whom are call center agents).
IMO what they could do is make like pentavision does with DJMAX and allow players logged in to configure speed modifiers by song, like you used AV 600 in Extravaganza, it will be recorded on this particular song, if you get like LIADZ song and use 4.5X, when you hilight that song the configuration will be recorded. It would make it easier and faster when it comes to replayability, shortening the time players use to configure a song's speed.
I would be fine with scores not transferring IF they change the scoring system entirely, giving justification to nuking scores, but PIU's scoring system has been combo-based since at least when I first played the game back when Exceed 2 was new. PIU XX does not have monthly updates like Prime or Prime 2, and while additional charts for pre-existing songs are nice, I would rather see the staff go back and tackle the syncing on some of the songs. Even Konami tuned up a few songs here and there (Curus was especially horrible before getting patched in DDR A), and some charts even got quantization fixes (HDV, Bassdrop Freaks, Bag, which now has its old Heavy chart moved to Challenge), but then you have stuff that's completely hopeless like NGO, where no amount of "fixes" makes that shit sensible. When PIU switched to HD cabs, I remember there being A LOT of complaints about how bad the syncing on earlier charts were, along with songs that came from more "modern" non-KR versions (Gargoyle). I'm extending my syncing criticisms to how much of a garbage fire making user custom steps in StepEdit is because the offset on the tracks are set in a way to compensate for the machine's sound latency, so you're frequently having to make steps around a tenth of a second off sync from the music track in the editor, and if you attempt to correct this and forget to reset it back to the original offset, the charts will come out a desynced mess. StepEdit as a program is already extremely unintuitive and janky, but having to work with an audio source that does not come even remotely close to sounding on sync makes me wonder just how much mental discipline the chart designers possess to put up with it, and honestly, it explains why PIU charting is flooded with 8th hold streams and runs for days. I can't imagine how long it must have taken to make charts like Uprock CZ (back when the editor was probably even more archaic), Love Scenario S17, 86, etc. etc. Making no-nonsense charts already takes like six times longer compared to throwing something together in a simulator like SM or whatever, so hats off to the designers who can make ambitious gimmick charts without smashing their head against the wall until their skulls cave in.
lol and yeah honestly i never play first to exceed chart very often why? x team s13 or s10 i forget the chart lvl its like a mess theres some off.sync brackets also some unreasonable brackets or whataver it feels like slamming your feet randomly
Isn't that more to do with pad modding/upkeep? or is this something I don't know about? I've never had issues on any of the three cabs I've played in my area.
@@hubaswift7640 Some XX cabinets were shipped with poor assembling. We have two at the arcade - one is perfectly fine, the other one is a complete disaster right from the box. Sensor nests are lower than they are supposed to be and that makes holds break insanely easily.
@@TanyaTsukrova I haven't heard that before, interesting. Say, maybe you can help me out with a question I've been wondering. There are two LX cabs within my general area, one of them has its visual sync slightly off and the image quality is a tad poorer (though by no means bad). Do you happen to know if different models can have different monitors? or is it perhaps settings. I have messed around with settings but couldn't get anywhere.
@@hubaswift7640 Not sure, sorry. When our second cab arrived, the screen on the first one was already in pretty bad shape (all pinkish and a bit more blurry, but not from the box). I didn't get a chance to compare two brand new screens side to side so can't tell for sure.
Hey Seth, loving this content! Keep it up. Does Andamiro fixed the asymmetrical timing? If not, I hope so. Also, I play rank mode sometimes, but have lack of motivation because most things you said about rank mode, also, the cab where I play have the pads a bit unsensitive, so I have some drop holds.
An issue I had with website were. I would use my PP to purchase a song. The website would show that they took my points from a purchased song but, the song would still would be locked when I play at the arcade. This happened to me once in Prime 2 and once on XX. 😔
Symmetrical timing windows, remove extra arrow at the end of holds maybe, and an optional extra judgement like superb from pro 2 or rainbow perfect from m.
Got it in recommended so I guess it would be fun to go over after a year into Phoenix: 1. Technically got fixed with the addition of judge timing? Still not a perfect solution since it requires players to know which songs are not synced and how to sync them back, but it's better than the nothing we have in many other games. 2. The good news: ranked mode is gone for good as all scores above level 10 count into ranking The bad news: no way to track on what judgment a score was played on, giving no incentive to play on HJ unless that's what you like from the oldschool days or you're trying to somehow prove you're better than the top players. 3. There are leaderboards for individual charts, hooray, but only for charts levels 20+ or co-op, and only top 100 which mostly gets filled by perfect scores anyway. There's also the newly released pumbility which is a step in the right direction, it basically takes your top 50 best scores on the levels you passed and forms from those a rank. It's a great incentive to pass and score better on harder charts and not just grind the whole song list, but it only tracks the top 1000, truly a missed opportunity to make an almost perfect ranking system for all players. And finally, no rivals, no way to see a specific player's scores, no tracking of broken scores, and the worst of them, no machine best, a huge andamiro moment if I've ever seen one, RIP. 4. The website got a rework! Is it better, absolutely! is it good enough? eehhhhhhh... nope. I had to help a returning player to register his card to phoenix because the input field for the card ID could take more characters than possible and it would just insert random characters sometimes. Also why do we need to register on 2 different websites with the same account? The pump website also doesn't make it clear that you need to register on the AM pass website before, it's just throws you a random error of "You don't have an existing game ID" or something like that, truly understandable andamiro. Also I found in the scary way that you can have two cards on the same account and you can switch which one is used for your game ID. With the registration out of the way, the rest of the website is fine, it is much more usable but it still feels so limited, like only recent scores will show me what judgements I got in a score (but it doesn't show max combo) but only a certain amount of scores get saved for each account and old get replaced with the new, and the best scores only shows you what score and rank you got (which is better than nothing). You can't even see what scores you have on the leaderboards, kinda sad we have to depend on third party tools made by players to get this kind of information that is already out there. 5. This was inevitable with the new scoring, the chart changes, the new accounts system, and after the huge messup with XX's scores I highly doubt anyone wants to depend on andamiro's database to be a good place to keep your precious scores for a long time. How hard can it be to save scores in a server?! Some machines don't even save scores right after gargoyle full was played and all andamiro's support will say to you is "ehh, network issue in your place" despite it being a thing that worked in XX! Is that how insanity feels like? I'll stop here because I think I rambled more than the video, so fix your game andamiro, this video is still relevant.
If ranked mode was to come back with a proper ranking system, I hope that it would at least let us use the Dark BG function. I thought that it would happen when they removed HideBG and put Dark instead but alas it did not. This sorta echoes your point made in a previous Video, but aside from the fact that I would like EX scoring, I wish they would at least make the scoring system more clear. An A or S barely means anything by itself, so it makes it hard to know what happened when revisiting a song. Like you mentioned, there should be an online platform where my breakdown is uploaded along with the score. The last thing might be because I come from a different rhythm game background and I only play doubles, highest pass being a few D22, so take it with a grain of salt, but I wish that bads would be removed or at least changed in some capacity. At best it barely punishes someone for mashing, and at worse it just makes you lose a combo because the local arcade has bad pads. And it's so easy to braze an arrow with a toe with the pads being bracketless I have more 'S' grades with 0 greats than I do 'SS' grades.
i was thinking about feature like random train.. like we can pick our 4 song freely so we can practice about endurance...similliar to tecnika 3 feature
Since machines are online now, I wonder if the offset problem can be detected in some statistical manner. Those charts in theory would have a much higher percentage of non-perfect judgements compared to other charts. Then, they would just need a few people to look at a few dozen charts to fix the most egregious ones.
Great list. It honestly felt really, really terrible having some of the cool features (ranked leaderboards, rivals, user play history on the website) outright REMOVED when XX came out. It's hard to say which of the items listed is more annoying or frustrating to deal with, but I suppose if I had to pick one, it would be the sync. I can't tell you how many times I have played a song I really enjoy on VJ, only to find that it is ABSURDLY late, or that the sync even seems to change over the course of the song. In Prime 2, I was very close to the world record on The Quick Brown Fox Jumps Over the Lazy Dog s17 (16 in XX now I think), and then I would play something like Papa Gonzales and get a MILLION GREATS. It seems like the majority of old charts, and even some of the newer ones, just have absolutely HORRIBLE sync when you play ranked. I suppose the fact that there are no more leaderboards or world/regional best scores in the game does make it much more pointless to play ranked in the first place though. While on the topic of ranked, I've been tilted for years that Andamiro still hasn't figured out how to implement 2 player ranked mode. I know it's an issue with figuring out how to fail out one player while the person passing continues to play, but surely there's a way to do this. Another thing that has annoyed some of my friends is how co-op's work. In Infinity you could at least see a rating for charts (I know Infinity was a different dev team, different engine, completely different game from the Korean versions.) It would be really, really nice if Andamiro could figure out a way to not only show the number of players for each co-op, but give you an idea of its difficulty too. It's kind of a waste of time and money if you just have to play through each chart to figure out whether or not it's doable for you and your friends, and I know it is frustrating for people to fail out of their round early because they didn't realize how difficult a particular chart was. You shouldn't have to watch every chart on TH-cam just to figure out whether or not you can play it. Anyhow, I know Andamiro probably won't be fixing any of these issues any time soon. *Hopefully* seeing one of the most dedicated, popular, and best players in the world bring these issues up will give them a little motivation to at least THINK about fixing them. Hopefully, but I won't hold my breath. ._.
Even they can't implement DR/Down Scroll (or reverse scroll in DDR) mod correctly ( you can use DR on one player only) . This feature lasted for a few weeks (in prime 2)
EXpert Score (EX score) system is used in IIDX and DDR. For IIDX, PGreat is 2pts, Great is 1pt, then the rest zero. For DDR, Marvelous and OK is 3pts, Perfect is 2pts, Great is 1pt, then the rest zero.
@@e.c.b. Until combo breaks punish players, EX scoring is worthless in all rhythm games. Would be worse especially on doubles for Pump, where if your tasked with doing doubleM runs back and forth, at a high enough BPM players will start skipping arrows to reduce the accuracy drop on the rest of the measure. DDR is the only Konami rhythm game where the the system in which your scores are saved to the servers do not match what is used at a "competitive" level. IIDX, which saves EX scoring, is still reliatively on pace to its traditional money scoring. It just removes the 50k combo portion of the money scoring, and since the other 150k is 3/3 Pgreat, 2/3 Great 1/3Good... it still functions. Comparing DDR, Konami has put the gap to perfect to marvelous as TEN points, and Perfect to Great as 40% score? While EX the gap from marvelous to perfect is equal to the gap from perfect to great, when the mistiming on the arrow is far greater from perfect to great than marvelous to perfect. Hence EX scoring in DDR needs further compensation that far outweighs what was relevant back when EX was introduced and DDR money scoring [at the time] had weighted the timing differences accordingly.
@@hsanrb These are my thoughts: 1. EX scoring is worthless in Some rhythm games, but not all. Because it ultimately depends on the game design, particularly on the timing window along with the common chart structure(s), and what the players measure/define in a competition. You could say PIU favors retaining combo, and doesn't mind players sacrificing accuracy (as it doesn't punish bad pad mashing, thus requiring consistency to some extent); while DDR/ITG favors accuracy and doesn't mind sacrificing combo (as it doesn't punish misses harshly but penalizes continuous inaccuracy). 2. The 10 point gap between Marvelous and Perfect in DDR's default scoring system is that a PFC is "the perfect play" among most players, and the amount of Marvelous only serves as tiebreaker among PFCs, because before SuperNOVA2, Perfect was the top judgment (I'm not saying it's good though). So in a way, DDR EX scoring measures accuracy, while the default scoring measures both accuracy and precision relative to its accuracy.
Players: Hoping that Andamiro carry over player's scores Andamiro: Oh hey we don't have any backup set up so when our hard drive fail you can say goodbye to your scores too lol
I would like to see separate scores for normal and ranked. Quite often someone who cannot SSS a song will play it on ranked just to have their name on the machine. Also then if you SSS a song on normal it would be cool to try for ranked also while keeping the SSS previously achieved.
Click Slot, navigate to My Activity, scroll down, click Register Game. Click Yes, when it asks to build UCS pack. Yes, it's pretty dumb and hard to figure out.
I just want them to implement gimmicks in the UCS editor. Give a raise/commission to Aevilux, partner him with an engineer and streamline the UCS website -_-
well how about our profiles on Osu! theres has some personal leaderboard and also you can know where you missed notes or how your score is(many miss,bad,good,etc)also the sites is more polished and lastly i think PIU pre Prime to Prime is more polished sites than Piu XX(there many untranslated links also some page still on Prime 2 Website Lol)
@@happyf333tz I feel like they can increase their popularity by making a pc or console version of piu. It would work. Especially since not everyone has the ability to go to the arcade all the time or afford a arcade cabinet.
The game needs to have DR fixed... like, for real. It screws my read so much when the stage is *literally* flipped horizontally. Like, why do you even flip the receptors and arrows' image too? :/
>changed for the better Fucking lol, no one plays this anymore. Bar try hards are the reason this game died, Andamiro amped up the difficulty so much it became impossible to play the hardest songs no bar and it stopped being a dancing game at the highest levels. Want to this shit to become a game again? Scrap all charts post Zero and maybe keep some of the songs up to Prime 2.
Actual levels for coop charts. We still don't know how hard a coop chart is until we try it or watch a video of it.
I want co-op UCS to be skinned correctly. I don't think the website is fixable, they need to hire new engineers because there's too many issues that the current engineers can't seem to solve. Other details they need to fix is when you drop in and out of rank mode, they need to remember where you left off
kind of like IIDX's "Death Position". giving the point where players failed Rank Mode would be nice.
The sync problem has always been the most ridiculous thing to me. It’s so ironic that this is a rhythm game and they have never worked to improve this.
What is Konami's excuse?
@@Connormgs "Konami". But it isnt Konami. It's Andamiro.
@@Connormgs it's andamiro, konami makes ddr
@@golden_woo6485 I'm well aware, DDR sync isn't any better.
@@golden_woo6485 I say Konami because I've heard that DDR has sync issues of its own and Konami is a way bigger company than Andamiro. The loose NJ timing windows on Pump which most people play with help hide the sync a bit but on VJ stuff gets really hard to play there's no doubt about that.
If Infinity 1.10 can sync their entire game, andamiro can do it too
no excuses
I think Andamiro should care more about the dancefloor. When you try to play a step on a dancefloor that is freshly made and just got out of the factory, the gaming experience is a total nightmare and actions are usually "denied" which leads to unfair scores. Some Arcade-using advanced players in Korea have to inform arcade manager about the bad floor and apply their effort and supplies to "Tune" the floor. I don't think this is right. The company has to fulfill the customers' needs and minimize the inconvenience of the user. My English is bad so every meaning would not be delivered, but I hope some of you guys feel part of this unwarrantable feeling of dancefloor.
i want COOP x2 charts to be playable when the game is running in 2 players mode. that way two players can record their scores without having to play the same chart twice on a different card. but keep the COOP X3 and above charts unplayable
Would be cool to see individual results for co op charts the same way we could have rank scores be separate. Pump has so much potential from even small adjustments, would be amazing to see some major fixes tho
6. unexpected update dates
Hahaha
Add also title transferring too. Since we grind so much to get the title we want.
1. I agree with this video, especially separating the rank/regular mode scores.
2. I think leaderboard for individual charts existed in Prime1, though?
3. as for the last one, I'm kinda indifferent with it because IIDX doesn't transfer scores each time new version comes out (clear lamp is transferred though). personally I find it alright to redo our scores each time new version comes out, but transferring the scores would be nicer.
2:51 Holy shit you featured the two of the best players in the Philippines (Engr. Dane and Oniwang). Too bad that mall already burned down in 2017 and it killed 38 people (most of whom are call center agents).
did they also killed?
@@ShiroCh_ID no. The mall was still closed (9am) when the fire started. Most malls here open at 10 am.
@@KyoushaPumpItUp mall? You mean star city right??
@@cosmix4460 NCCC Mall of Davao.
Number 1 : Fxxxing EXC
Thank god half of them got fixed (Website is more intuitive, Leaderboards got added, and Rank mode was deleted)
add support for amusement ic, a am.pass is $12 while any amusement ic card is near $9
1:48 FEFEMZ
슈브 d28
StepManiaX has online score tracking and ladders too, and takes input from players about sync, difficulty ratings, and chart errors (very rare)
'fix offset for all charts in piu' - same but for DDR. konami hire us
IMO what they could do is make like pentavision does with DJMAX and allow players logged in to configure speed modifiers by song, like you used AV 600 in Extravaganza, it will be recorded on this particular song, if you get like LIADZ song and use 4.5X, when you hilight that song the configuration will be recorded. It would make it easier and faster when it comes to replayability, shortening the time players use to configure a song's speed.
I would be fine with scores not transferring IF they change the scoring system entirely, giving justification to nuking scores, but PIU's scoring system has been combo-based since at least when I first played the game back when Exceed 2 was new. PIU XX does not have monthly updates like Prime or Prime 2, and while additional charts for pre-existing songs are nice, I would rather see the staff go back and tackle the syncing on some of the songs. Even Konami tuned up a few songs here and there (Curus was especially horrible before getting patched in DDR A), and some charts even got quantization fixes (HDV, Bassdrop Freaks, Bag, which now has its old Heavy chart moved to Challenge), but then you have stuff that's completely hopeless like NGO, where no amount of "fixes" makes that shit sensible. When PIU switched to HD cabs, I remember there being A LOT of complaints about how bad the syncing on earlier charts were, along with songs that came from more "modern" non-KR versions (Gargoyle).
I'm extending my syncing criticisms to how much of a garbage fire making user custom steps in StepEdit is because the offset on the tracks are set in a way to compensate for the machine's sound latency, so you're frequently having to make steps around a tenth of a second off sync from the music track in the editor, and if you attempt to correct this and forget to reset it back to the original offset, the charts will come out a desynced mess. StepEdit as a program is already extremely unintuitive and janky, but having to work with an audio source that does not come even remotely close to sounding on sync makes me wonder just how much mental discipline the chart designers possess to put up with it, and honestly, it explains why PIU charting is flooded with 8th hold streams and runs for days. I can't imagine how long it must have taken to make charts like Uprock CZ (back when the editor was probably even more archaic), Love Scenario S17, 86, etc. etc. Making no-nonsense charts already takes like six times longer compared to throwing something together in a simulator like SM or whatever, so hats off to the designers who can make ambitious gimmick charts without smashing their head against the wall until their skulls cave in.
lol and yeah honestly i never play first to exceed chart very often why?
x team s13 or s10 i forget the chart lvl its like a mess theres some off.sync brackets also some unreasonable brackets or whataver it feels like slamming your feet randomly
@@ShiroCh_ID The licenses from back then were even worse. Shout out to Starian's 1379 quad for a fucking S7
1:57 I hope that Andamiro hears us, but chances are, we're going to wait forever for this xD
I'd like to see new cabs/pads that don't have hold dropping issues
Isn't that more to do with pad modding/upkeep? or is this something I don't know about? I've never had issues on any of the three cabs I've played in my area.
@@hubaswift7640 Some XX cabinets were shipped with poor assembling. We have two at the arcade - one is perfectly fine, the other one is a complete disaster right from the box. Sensor nests are lower than they are supposed to be and that makes holds break insanely easily.
@@TanyaTsukrova I haven't heard that before, interesting. Say, maybe you can help me out with a question I've been wondering. There are two LX cabs within my general area, one of them has its visual sync slightly off and the image quality is a tad poorer (though by no means bad). Do you happen to know if different models can have different monitors? or is it perhaps settings. I have messed around with settings but couldn't get anywhere.
@@hubaswift7640 Not sure, sorry. When our second cab arrived, the screen on the first one was already in pretty bad shape (all pinkish and a bit more blurry, but not from the box). I didn't get a chance to compare two brand new screens side to side so can't tell for sure.
Hey Seth, loving this content! Keep it up. Does Andamiro fixed the asymmetrical timing? If not, I hope so. Also, I play rank mode sometimes, but have lack of motivation because most things you said about rank mode, also, the cab where I play have the pads a bit unsensitive, so I have some drop holds.
I want Co-op to show an estimated level & after choosing a song in level sort, show all levels so the other player can choose another level.
Yes to the first part, and absolutely on the second.
An issue I had with website were. I would use my PP to purchase a song. The website would show that they took my points from a purchased song but, the song would still would be locked when I play at the arcade. This happened to me once in Prime 2 and once on XX. 😔
Symmetrical timing windows, remove extra arrow at the end of holds maybe, and an optional extra judgement like superb from pro 2 or rainbow perfect from m.
i think extra judgement isnt practical but symetrical timing windows i agree with iy
Got it in recommended so I guess it would be fun to go over after a year into Phoenix:
1. Technically got fixed with the addition of judge timing? Still not a perfect solution since it requires players to know which songs are not synced and how to sync them back, but it's better than the nothing we have in many other games.
2. The good news: ranked mode is gone for good as all scores above level 10 count into ranking
The bad news: no way to track on what judgment a score was played on, giving no incentive to play on HJ unless that's what you like from the oldschool days or you're trying to somehow prove you're better than the top players.
3. There are leaderboards for individual charts, hooray, but only for charts levels 20+ or co-op, and only top 100 which mostly gets filled by perfect scores anyway.
There's also the newly released pumbility which is a step in the right direction, it basically takes your top 50 best scores on the levels you passed and forms from those a rank. It's a great incentive to pass and score better on harder charts and not just grind the whole song list, but it only tracks the top 1000, truly a missed opportunity to make an almost perfect ranking system for all players.
And finally, no rivals, no way to see a specific player's scores, no tracking of broken scores, and the worst of them, no machine best, a huge andamiro moment if I've ever seen one, RIP.
4. The website got a rework! Is it better, absolutely! is it good enough? eehhhhhhh... nope. I had to help a returning player to register his card to phoenix because the input field for the card ID could take more characters than possible and it would just insert random characters sometimes. Also why do we need to register on 2 different websites with the same account? The pump website also doesn't make it clear that you need to register on the AM pass website before, it's just throws you a random error of "You don't have an existing game ID" or something like that, truly understandable andamiro. Also I found in the scary way that you can have two cards on the same account and you can switch which one is used for your game ID.
With the registration out of the way, the rest of the website is fine, it is much more usable but it still feels so limited, like only recent scores will show me what judgements I got in a score (but it doesn't show max combo) but only a certain amount of scores get saved for each account and old get replaced with the new, and the best scores only shows you what score and rank you got (which is better than nothing). You can't even see what scores you have on the leaderboards, kinda sad we have to depend on third party tools made by players to get this kind of information that is already out there.
5. This was inevitable with the new scoring, the chart changes, the new accounts system, and after the huge messup with XX's scores I highly doubt anyone wants to depend on andamiro's database to be a good place to keep your precious scores for a long time. How hard can it be to save scores in a server?! Some machines don't even save scores right after gargoyle full was played and all andamiro's support will say to you is "ehh, network issue in your place" despite it being a thing that worked in XX! Is that how insanity feels like?
I'll stop here because I think I rambled more than the video, so fix your game andamiro, this video is still relevant.
If ranked mode was to come back with a proper ranking system, I hope that it would at least let us use the Dark BG function. I thought that it would happen when they removed HideBG and put Dark instead but alas it did not.
This sorta echoes your point made in a previous Video, but aside from the fact that I would like EX scoring, I wish they would at least make the scoring system more clear. An A or S barely means anything by itself, so it makes it hard to know what happened when revisiting a song. Like you mentioned, there should be an online platform where my breakdown is uploaded along with the score.
The last thing might be because I come from a different rhythm game background and I only play doubles, highest pass being a few D22, so take it with a grain of salt, but I wish that bads would be removed or at least changed in some capacity. At best it barely punishes someone for mashing, and at worse it just makes you lose a combo because the local arcade has bad pads. And it's so easy to braze an arrow with a toe with the pads being bracketless I have more 'S' grades with 0 greats than I do 'SS' grades.
i was thinking about feature like random train.. like we can pick our 4 song freely so we can practice about endurance...similliar to tecnika 3 feature
Since machines are online now, I wonder if the offset problem can be detected in some statistical manner. Those charts in theory would have a much higher percentage of non-perfect judgements compared to other charts. Then, they would just need a few people to look at a few dozen charts to fix the most egregious ones.
Great list. It honestly felt really, really terrible having some of the cool features (ranked leaderboards, rivals, user play history on the website) outright REMOVED when XX came out. It's hard to say which of the items listed is more annoying or frustrating to deal with, but I suppose if I had to pick one, it would be the sync. I can't tell you how many times I have played a song I really enjoy on VJ, only to find that it is ABSURDLY late, or that the sync even seems to change over the course of the song. In Prime 2, I was very close to the world record on The Quick Brown Fox Jumps Over the Lazy Dog s17 (16 in XX now I think), and then I would play something like Papa Gonzales and get a MILLION GREATS. It seems like the majority of old charts, and even some of the newer ones, just have absolutely HORRIBLE sync when you play ranked. I suppose the fact that there are no more leaderboards or world/regional best scores in the game does make it much more pointless to play ranked in the first place though. While on the topic of ranked, I've been tilted for years that Andamiro still hasn't figured out how to implement 2 player ranked mode. I know it's an issue with figuring out how to fail out one player while the person passing continues to play, but surely there's a way to do this. Another thing that has annoyed some of my friends is how co-op's work. In Infinity you could at least see a rating for charts (I know Infinity was a different dev team, different engine, completely different game from the Korean versions.) It would be really, really nice if Andamiro could figure out a way to not only show the number of players for each co-op, but give you an idea of its difficulty too. It's kind of a waste of time and money if you just have to play through each chart to figure out whether or not it's doable for you and your friends, and I know it is frustrating for people to fail out of their round early because they didn't realize how difficult a particular chart was. You shouldn't have to watch every chart on TH-cam just to figure out whether or not you can play it.
Anyhow, I know Andamiro probably won't be fixing any of these issues any time soon. *Hopefully* seeing one of the most dedicated, popular, and best players in the world bring these issues up will give them a little motivation to at least THINK about fixing them. Hopefully, but I won't hold my breath. ._.
Even they can't implement DR/Down Scroll (or reverse scroll in DDR) mod correctly ( you can use DR on one player only) . This feature lasted for a few weeks (in prime 2)
@@wibs0n68 Oh god I tried this once... it was ABSURDLY difficult, never tried it again. 😂
I would like to see PIU switch to an ex scoring system. That would more accurately measure how good a player is.
uh what is Ex scoring system?
EXpert Score (EX score) system is used in IIDX and DDR. For IIDX, PGreat is 2pts, Great is 1pt, then the rest zero. For DDR, Marvelous and OK is 3pts, Perfect is 2pts, Great is 1pt, then the rest zero.
@@e.c.b. Until combo breaks punish players, EX scoring is worthless in all rhythm games. Would be worse especially on doubles for Pump, where if your tasked with doing doubleM runs back and forth, at a high enough BPM players will start skipping arrows to reduce the accuracy drop on the rest of the measure. DDR is the only Konami rhythm game where the the system in which your scores are saved to the servers do not match what is used at a "competitive" level.
IIDX, which saves EX scoring, is still reliatively on pace to its traditional money scoring. It just removes the 50k combo portion of the money scoring, and since the other 150k is 3/3 Pgreat, 2/3 Great 1/3Good... it still functions. Comparing DDR, Konami has put the gap to perfect to marvelous as TEN points, and Perfect to Great as 40% score? While EX the gap from marvelous to perfect is equal to the gap from perfect to great, when the mistiming on the arrow is far greater from perfect to great than marvelous to perfect. Hence EX scoring in DDR needs further compensation that far outweighs what was relevant back when EX was introduced and DDR money scoring [at the time] had weighted the timing differences accordingly.
@@hsanrb These are my thoughts:
1. EX scoring is worthless in Some rhythm games, but not all. Because it ultimately depends on the game design, particularly on the timing window along with the common chart structure(s), and what the players measure/define in a competition. You could say PIU favors retaining combo, and doesn't mind players sacrificing accuracy (as it doesn't punish bad pad mashing, thus requiring consistency to some extent); while DDR/ITG favors accuracy and doesn't mind sacrificing combo (as it doesn't punish misses harshly but penalizes continuous inaccuracy).
2. The 10 point gap between Marvelous and Perfect in DDR's default scoring system is that a PFC is "the perfect play" among most players, and the amount of Marvelous only serves as tiebreaker among PFCs, because before SuperNOVA2, Perfect was the top judgment (I'm not saying it's good though). So in a way, DDR EX scoring measures accuracy, while the default scoring measures both accuracy and precision relative to its accuracy.
2:52 Oh look timezone davao (which was the only arcade that had it that time before it burned down)
Don't worry. Another NCCC opened in 2018 which serves as its spiritual successor with also a newer PIU cab. It's located in Buhangin.
Players: Hoping that Andamiro carry over player's scores
Andamiro: Oh hey we don't have any backup set up so when our hard drive fail you can say goodbye to your scores too
lol
XD That's the reason I don't want to play XX more, all my effort became garbage
I would like to see separate scores for normal and ranked. Quite often someone who cannot SSS a song will play it on ranked just to have their name on the machine. Also then if you SSS a song on normal it would be cool to try for ranked also while keeping the SSS previously achieved.
How do i add UCS to my card
Click Slot, navigate to My Activity, scroll down, click Register Game.
Click Yes, when it asks to build UCS pack.
Yes, it's pretty dumb and hard to figure out.
I just want them to implement gimmicks in the UCS editor. Give a raise/commission to Aevilux, partner him with an engineer and streamline the UCS website -_-
That feeling i S'ed gargoyle d22 on prime 2 and i can't get it now on xx.
Please andamiro! Do something about the score transfering
Bring back the older freestyle songs/charts!! The new ones aren't bad, but their not geared toward a b-boy style of dancing
Number 5 is totally my issue lol
well how about our profiles on Osu! theres has some personal leaderboard and also you can know where you missed notes or how your score is(many miss,bad,good,etc)also the sites is more polished
and lastly i think PIU pre Prime to Prime is more polished sites than Piu XX(there many untranslated links also some page still on Prime 2 Website Lol)
5:14 welp this section aged poorly (A3 erased the leaderboards)
PepegaF333tz
The website has the same f*** layout since like exceed 2 LUL
Score transfer?
IIDX Players: first time?
Let’s be real: Andamiro will not watch this video, or listen to it.
overthemoonandbeyond you’d be surprised
@@happyf333tz I feel like they can increase their popularity by making a pc or console version of piu. It would work. Especially since not everyone has the ability to go to the arcade all the time or afford a arcade cabinet.
@@DAddy-iy9mu Rhythm games isn't big as it used to be. Not many people are interested on it
@@DAddy-iy9mu There were PIU games for PC, PS2 and (I think) PSP. They've had their go at it.
@@happyf333tz They can't even translate their websites into English correctly, why do you wish they could understand what you said?
wait, did something happen at BITE3 I didn't know about? Saw it as a highlight for number 1
The game needs to have DR fixed... like, for real. It screws my read so much when the stage is *literally* flipped horizontally. Like, why do you even flip the receptors and arrows' image too? :/
How do you add USC?
Gimme an E. Gimme an X. Gimme an EX!!!
I am the last one who plays pump it up in Brasil.😔😔😔
you're not alone
Pump it up está muriendo...
does PIU have reverse scroll?
gpbear4 yes but it is garbage.
happyf333tz how did they mess up something so simple?
유익한 영상 감사합니다!!
Thanks for yuickhan video!!
I am andrews
Hi Andrews
>changed for the better
Fucking lol, no one plays this anymore. Bar try hards are the reason this game died, Andamiro amped up the difficulty so much it became impossible to play the hardest songs no bar and it stopped being a dancing game at the highest levels. Want to this shit to become a game again? Scrap all charts post Zero and maybe keep some of the songs up to Prime 2.
@@jijon805 what?