If you want to hammer the point home even further, add Isaiah 29:4 You shall be brought down, You shall speak out of the ground; Your speech shall be low, out of the dust; YOUR VOICE SHALL BE LIKE A MEDIUMS, OUT OF THE GROUND; And your speech shall whisper out of the dust. (NKJV) Hence why she claimed he was ascending out of the earth. It must have been a common theme among mediums to make it appear as if voices are coming from the ground and fits the bill of ventriloquism.
First of all SDAs don't have a doctrine of soul sleep. We're called a cult and they put doctrines on us that we don't own. What is the issue of sleeping until the Jesus returns? Why is that so horrific?
It is the woman who describes Samuel to Saul. Its not like Saul saw anything. He perceived that is was Samuel from what the woman (Necromancer) said. Plus no prophet of God accepts any form of worship as Saul bowed himself with his face to the ground. Only satan wants to be worshipped like God.
A demon came up. It's funny how they ignore the fact that Saul blatantly disobeyed God by going to a woman with a familiar spirit..And in the end Saul died.
First thing first the dead know nothing. 2. When Saul bowed down the spirit supposably Samual didn't tell Saul to get up of his knees telling him only the Lord deserves reference 3. The witch said she saw gods ascending from the earth. 4. God had left Saul's presents.
God refuses to speak to Saul by His prophets and a witch has the power to twist God’s arm and cause a prophet to speak to Saul against God’s will? Give me a break.
And it says that Saul would be with him… where????… in heaven?! Or in “hades” an evil man will end up in the same place as a prophet of God???!!! No sense at all!!!
Hey ADL! Before I give your channel another view/like/subscription/donation, i would like to know y’alls official position on Conrad Vines recent “controversial” statements. Thanks 😊
My thoughts is that the situation is one that can shake a lot of people. Many people can decide to leave the church and choose sides of what they believe is right. So it is a delicate situation. I think the only Person who can fix this is Jesus. We all need to pray for each other, the church, and all people involved. What are your thoughts? - Jason T.
@@thatnicekid04 You are right we should pray for the church, and the people on both sides. Jesus Christ is our ultimate judge and spiritual physician. I tend to agree with Dr. Vine on pretty much everything he has said. I don’t think the answer is to leave the church and I don’t think he’s advocating for that. He mentioned simply withholding tithes from conferences that are in favor of vax mandates, lgbt affirmation, cultural marxism, abortions, and other sinful ideologies, and starting self supporting SDA “underground” congregations that uphold the truth. The ultimate hope and solution is that conferences just respect the conscience of their members and stop the government pandering and foolishness
@@GabrielJimenez-wt3hw im just asking because if they dont agree with Dr Vine then they are false adventists and their apologetics is flawed which I already suspect that because edwin is always puffing himself up and turning this into some kind of christian beef with myles which is cringe by itself so im just wondering if these people are even worth watching by asking a simple question on where they stand in this critical moment.
the bible is written but not understood by most men ... prophets are men of god ... we know that the body is dead but we don't know that the soul is sleeping or alive ... and a man of god can be deceived ... example of that is 1 kings 13 ... did samuel or the familiar spirit predict saul deaf ... did it came true? ... the answer is on 1 samuel 31 ... we do not know what is the truth after we die ... if we sleep good and if we don't then what? ... why do people pay attention to thing that is not clear ... when we die we will find out ... until then search for salvation ... for many will think that they are saved until christ tell them i never knew you
@@thatnicekid04 ok ... but just to be clear ... every person that don't have the spirit of the father is dead ... even if they are alive or in the grave
But in Deut 18:10-14 and Isaiah 8:28 God clearly forbids the consultation of wizards to speak to "spirits of the dead." Is there any salvation for those who disregard the clear "thou shall not". Obviously no salvation for them, as what happened to Saul. So you see, some will serve the devil thinking they are serving God. This is a matter of salvation. Having other gods before God.
@@Bizos1609 that is true the we are forbidden to seek wizard even if the wizard tell the truth sometimes because they will lie at one point ... but that not much information to say that the soul is sleeping or alive ... for if we have the spirit of the father even if we are in the grave ... that doesn't mean that the soul is dead ... fear him that can kill the body and the soul ... if the body is dead then why does the soul need to be kill ?
Never change the music at the beginning and at the end plis 😂 i love it😂
Amen Brothers!!!! Spread that truth far and wide!!!!❤❤❤
It’s the reason why sorcery is forbidden, because it’s deception.
If you want to hammer the point home even further, add Isaiah 29:4
You shall be brought down,
You shall speak out of the ground;
Your speech shall be low, out of the dust;
YOUR VOICE SHALL BE LIKE A MEDIUMS, OUT OF THE GROUND;
And your speech shall whisper out of the dust. (NKJV)
Hence why she claimed he was ascending out of the earth. It must have been a common theme among mediums to make it appear as if voices are coming from the ground and fits the bill of ventriloquism.
First of all SDAs don't have a doctrine of soul sleep. We're called a cult and they put doctrines on us that we don't own. What is the issue of sleeping until the Jesus returns? Why is that so horrific?
It is the woman who describes Samuel to Saul. Its not like Saul saw anything. He perceived that is was Samuel from what the woman (Necromancer) said. Plus no prophet of God accepts any form of worship as Saul bowed himself with his face to the ground. Only satan wants to be worshipped like God.
It's the same thing that SDA did. with Daniel 8:14. coming from a woman!
@@MarkChupp-j5i Who's this woman you're talking about in Daniel 8:14?
A demon came up. It's funny how they ignore the fact that Saul blatantly disobeyed God by going to a woman with a familiar spirit..And in the end Saul died.
First thing first the dead know nothing. 2. When Saul bowed down the spirit supposably Samual didn't tell Saul to get up of his knees telling him only the Lord deserves reference 3. The witch said she saw gods ascending from the earth. 4. God had left Saul's presents.
Watch them reason out the ground thing to say oh it's because it's a vision that's why he saw him coming out of the ground
God refuses to speak to Saul by His prophets and a witch has the power to twist God’s arm and cause a prophet to speak to Saul against God’s will? Give me a break.
Indeed!
And it says that Saul would be with him… where????… in heaven?! Or in “hades” an evil man will end up in the same place as a prophet of God???!!! No sense at all!!!
Excellent point! I'm adding that to my list.
@@thatnicekid04 you can thank Shawn boonstraw for that one!… really stuck in my mind!
What is a familiar spirit exactly? Is it a “spirit guide” that you hear psychics talk about?
I would think so. I've also heard them be called friendly spirits.
Like Casper
Familiar spirit. Get it! It's not the real, it's familiar. It wasn't Samuel. Why can't people understand this simple Bible truth
It was a demon!
I THINK that brother needs to think less and study more😂
Hey ADL! Before I give your channel another view/like/subscription/donation, i would like to know y’alls official position on Conrad Vines recent “controversial” statements. Thanks 😊
My thoughts is that the situation is one that can shake a lot of people. Many people can decide to leave the church and choose sides of what they believe is right. So it is a delicate situation.
I think the only Person who can fix this is Jesus. We all need to pray for each other, the church, and all people involved.
What are your thoughts?
- Jason T.
@@thatnicekid04 You are right we should pray for the church, and the people on both sides. Jesus Christ is our ultimate judge and spiritual physician. I tend to agree with Dr. Vine on pretty much everything he has said. I don’t think the answer is to leave the church and I don’t think he’s advocating for that. He mentioned simply withholding tithes from conferences that are in favor of vax mandates, lgbt affirmation, cultural marxism, abortions, and other sinful ideologies, and starting self supporting SDA “underground” congregations that uphold the truth. The ultimate hope and solution is that conferences just respect the conscience of their members and stop the government pandering and foolishness
Bro this is a channel about apologetics, is not about controversy
@@GabrielJimenez-wt3hw bro what about the great controversy?
@@GabrielJimenez-wt3hw im just asking because if they dont agree with Dr Vine then they are false adventists and their apologetics is flawed which I already suspect that because edwin is always puffing himself up and turning this into some kind of christian beef with myles which is cringe by itself so im just wondering if these people are even worth watching by asking a simple question on where they stand in this critical moment.
the bible is written but not understood by most men ... prophets are men of god ... we know that the body is dead but we don't know that the soul is sleeping or alive ... and a man of god can be deceived ... example of that is 1 kings 13 ... did samuel or the familiar spirit predict saul deaf ... did it came true? ... the answer is on 1 samuel 31 ... we do not know what is the truth after we die ... if we sleep good and if we don't then what? ... why do people pay attention to thing that is not clear ... when we die we will find out ... until then search for salvation ... for many will think that they are saved until christ tell them i never knew you
We take what the Bible says. The dead know nothing according to Ecclesiastes 9:5.
@@thatnicekid04 ok ... but just to be clear ... every person that don't have the spirit of the father is dead ... even if they are alive or in the grave
But in Deut 18:10-14 and Isaiah 8:28 God clearly forbids the consultation of wizards to speak to "spirits of the dead."
Is there any salvation for those who disregard the clear "thou shall not".
Obviously no salvation for them, as what happened to Saul.
So you see, some will serve the devil thinking they are serving God.
This is a matter of salvation. Having other gods before God.
@@rafaelo2215 Jesus said Lazarus was dead. So the dead knowing nothing would have to apply to the righteous also.
@@Bizos1609 that is true the we are forbidden to seek wizard even if the wizard tell the truth sometimes because they will lie at one point ... but that not much information to say that the soul is sleeping or alive ... for if we have the spirit of the father even if we are in the grave ... that doesn't mean that the soul is dead ... fear him that can kill the body and the soul ... if the body is dead then why does the soul need to be kill ?