“I relentlessly beat up some guys cuz they laughed at my face, then the retaliated and beat up my sister, then I killed them 🗣️🍩🔥‼️” - elder god tier writing
Your katakuri takes are just a sign of a low reading comprehension level 😂 Why didn't Kaido send Ulti to raid Whole Cake Island if his crew out-scales Big Mom that much? Narrative > power-scalers clinging to outlier feats
@@gameuniverse5973then it would be better to have bigmom by herself all alon in tha island and that her comrades are usless,I could argue that if sent someone like king alone but cmon ulti cant beat all them.
Katakuri is done dude he’s 50+ years old he doesn’t have advance conquerors he’s not getting stronger we already have the new yonko lmao that was katakuri in his prime and he couldn’t knock out WHOLE CAKE LUFFY 1 time. No matter what you say he was trying to beat luffy but he couldn’t so it is what it is like Zoro has stronger haki technically than katakuri but katakuri just has okay observation haki but again he doesn’t even have the best observation haki kaido could see in the future too and shanks so and katakuri is not durable man
You fundamentally misunderstand One Piece, this is not Dragon Ball... Characters don't get "dozens of times" stronger from season to season. Saying that King would one shot Katakuri doesn't make any sense withing the lore, Big Mom crew would be absolutely unable to compete if their strongest fighter was so much weaker than King.
Saying King oneshots Kata based off of feats does make sense though. King not only has the speed and durability to keep up with Kata and tank his attacks but Kata doesn't have the offence to damage King severely. I have seen some argue that Kata can use his spear and use Mochi Tsuki to "low diff" him but that is almost identical to saying Zoro has sharp swords and Luffy doesn't fight against them well so Luffy would lose or win extreme diff.
In one piece there’s a thing called haki blooming. Which basically means that when yku fight tougher and tougher opponents and survive your haki gets a significant increase and haki in one piece directly correlates to physical/df strength so yea basically characters do get stronger after every season because everyone season they fight tougher and tougher opponents it’s been stated and shown multiple times
@@zodabh21 yes stronger. But definitely not dozens of times stronger from season to season, only in the time jump it could be argue that they got this much of a boost in power... Think about it... If they could get dozens of times stronger like that there would be no need for a time jump at all.
@@kaisersouze9515actually yes they DO get dozens of times stronger over seasons depending on the character based on feats and context clues and outright statements 😂
Katakuri can’t hurt king he doesn’t have advance conquerors lmao he’s not going to get stronger big mom out we already have the new yonko the dude already in his 50s he’s already past his primes stop being delusional katakuri can’t hurt king it’s just what it is but I don’t think king can one shot him I think itd still be a fight but king still wins
Katakuri and king are both on the same level they are both yonko 1st commanders. The reason why most people give king the edge is bcz katakuri has no way of damaging King. Katakuri has COC but not the advanced form. King would be able to outlast Kat bcz of his durability and if luffy is able to take all of katakuris attacks then king can and king won't sustain damage. King also has a direct counter to katakuris mochi which is his magma flames. I don't see how Katakuri deals with kings extra large imperial flaming wings. We know Zoro was able to cut through that but the attack was never counted. Unless katakuri is able to unlocked advanced conquerors he can't beat king.
Doflamingo is also awakened, stronger fruit abilities aren't unbeatable, he is arguably one of the best devil fruit users in the show and Kaido called him weak. Conqueror's haki was also something Doffy had, but it wasn't advanced, making it mostly useless. Katakuri didn't advance his. Future sight is good, but can be surpassed with speed, stated by Kaido. This makes sense as well considering if someone is out speeding you, it becomes harder to see what they are doing and harder to react to them in a short span of time. Then you just label King as a random Lunarian as if the entire race was equally as strong as him. King was Kaido's right hand and earned his position considering Kaido's crew is strength based. His armament haki was strong enough to clash against Zoro before their fight ended even when he had conqueror's coating.
Zoro no diffed king while Enma was sucking the haki out of him. Luffy couldn’t even get a clean victory against katakuri and got washed the whole fight.
@@exaltedjeans7084 No diff would have been ending the fight quickly near the start without taking damage, Zoro didn't do that at all. He was getting beat up until he got conqueror's coating and even stated himself in both the manga and the anime that just from King's explosive counter he almost died. Even Tempuraudon (the attack where King stretches his head back in his full Pteranodon form) Zoro described it as a laser in terms of speed and called it unblockable. They even both paused mid fight to say they now see the danger that each of them pose to one another. Your bias is showing 😂
@@quandaviousgooch4726 king said zoro was dangerous and then zoro just started to overtake him and announce that king was about to lose. Then he blitzed him in a clash. This mutual respect ur describing never happens in the manga. Ur supposed to be a powerscaler and you don’t even understand basic events that happened in the fight.
@@exaltedjeans7084 That still doesn't change what I said, he didn't have the upper hand until he had conqueror's coating, ironically you are saying I have bad comprehension while your take from that fight is "no diff". You also left out where Zoro said "same to you" after King said that. The whole point of their fight is that they are both right hands who made the promise to never lose to their captains and they believe in their captains' dreams and are fighting for that, not that this dude no diffs that dude. Try gaslighting someone with less sense that they don't have basic comprehension, not gonna have it from you. Again, ironic considering your take is "no diff", seems like you only consider the end of their fight where Zoro gets coating as the start of the fight.
Yes... If you make a claim you kinda gotta explain Btw I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with what you're saying just saying you should still explain a bit
@@AkataHabo-hx9ek katakuri neg diffed ichiji with one basic half assed punch King could not damage raid suit sanji with intent to kill Katakuri takes Ap strength and Dc (Realize katakuri neg diffed one shot punched ichiji who had a raid suit and a modified body...king could not damage raid suit sanji) Zoro followed and hit king in flane iff speed mode with his garbage Observation haki....... Katakuri who mastered Observation haki and has adv. Observation is having 0 trouble Dodging blocking And will easily hit and counter king Who is just as durable as the next guy in speed mode And we already know katakuri's ap strength abd dc is nothing to laugh at So katakuri using his haki and mogura is doing lethal damage to king Haki no need to explain katakuri slams king in haki as well Katakuri has unique Armament (maybe form of adv. Armament all i know its stronger than g4 haki the same g4 that made bigmom block she made a conscious choice to do that she felt the need) adv. Observation haki (he can see and hear the future) intermediate conquers haki (he can physically destroy and effect the physical world some thing shanks did on wb's ship and luffy right before using adv. Conquers) Stamina and endurance easily goes to katakuri Fighting 11 hours non stop 8 hours in awakening 4 of those hours with a hole in his stomach aka a lethal attack Durability goes to king but only in Flame on mode Speed easily goes to katakuri he saw the future in the future and moved faster than it He tight roped danced through the black mamba and attacked luffy so fast luffy saw it but could not do anything He even says "he will just go faster and further into the future" Nothing king showed or has is faster than anything snakeman can do And do not come at me with powercliff or island buff Because by that luffy Shoukd be so much stronger right So many say udon prison Luffy destroys wci luffy he is so much strong No He isn't he is just learning a hax He might have Got a small increase to strength and stamina do the Cuffs having a little Sea prism in them But we can make a debunk wano luffy >>>>
These two are extremely relative in power overall, with King having superior durability and Katakuri having superior haki and devil fruit hax!!! But from a match up point of view King has the advantage over everyone who doesn't have advanced Coc haki, because they are just unable to damage him. King would win in a fight, but I can't say that King is definitly stronger "overall". King's lack of haki is a real issue for me when power scaling him!!!
Power scalers are funny. On the grand scheme of things. Kat and king will be relative to each other. Because it serves the narrative purpose. Bet you a dollar if Oda ever made this two fight each other it will be the same as akainu and aokiji. A long drawnout fight.
Being the right hand of a yonko does not mean that that person is relative to all the other right hands. The yonko are not equal in strength even. Do you think Blackbeard without his crew is pushing Kaido to go all out with his haki being significantly weaker? Even if he were to disable his devil fruit, Kaido's haki is far stronger than his.
Ive always seen Big mom's crew to be not even close to her power level. And king is maybe approaching Kaidos. He is nowhere near, but still he could maybe fight beside him. While Big mom's crew would die from her AOE
That’s because u are completely ignoring narrative and only focusing on the power cliff. That’s like saying any of the tobbi roppo could one shot dolfamingo when that wouldn’t even make sense based on portrayal. I feel like we as a fan base should recognize that one piece powerscaling isn’t that linear or else we’d all have to agree crocodile is weaker than like any vice admiral because he got beat by the weakest form of luffy.
“That’s because u are completely ignoring narrative and only focusing on the power cliff.” What’s the real difference if the power cliff is a part of/supported by the narrative? “ That’s like saying any of the tobbi roppo could one shot dolfamingo when that wouldn’t even make sense based on portrayal” Why not? Doffy was getting ragdolled by a version of G4 Luffy that’s weaker than base Wano Luffy who was struggling against base Ulti. I feel like we as a fan base should recognize that one piece powerscaling isn’t that linear or else we’d all have to agree crocodile is weaker than like any vice admiral because he got beat by the weakest form of luffy.” Why is that an unreasonable assertion? Croc did factually get beaten by a Luffy that would get one tapped by any Vice Admiral, what about the narrative contradicts that?
@@michaeldorsey9231 because at that point we know that crocodile prior to fighting luffy, faced off against whitebeard and that’s how he received that scar and presumably lost this hand. He was recognized by the world government to be strong enough to be a warlord, So him losing to luffy makes no sense and even oda admitted that he was introduced too early. But one piece fans refuse to acknowledge that sometimes their are inconsistencies in one piece and when we judge a characters strength we should take that into account. Do you really think if oda introduced katakuri or dolfamingo back into the story like he did for crocodile they would still be weaker than a tobbi roppo. There is so much more to power scaling than just face value feats
@@lemmyrules4893 100% agree. to add on to it, croc was also shown in marineford to clash with characters like mihawk, doffy and akainu and hes just been in impel down the whole time doing nothing so its clear oda revoked alabasta completely and scaled crocodile correctly. and not to mention his current bounty being 2 billion.
@@peekaylordington6740 exactly. and I still can’t get over the whole ulti>katakuri debate that happened during the start of onigashima 😭 like what are op fans smoking
Its not really possible to do a match up like this because we haven't even seen kat's full power since he attacked himself during the fight with luffy, which did a majority of the damage
This scaling makes no sense lmao. Zoro's performance on the rooftop against Kaido proved he has insane AP. Great, now what does that have to do with this matchup? Kaido is notorious for letting characters hit him to see if they're capable of killing him, so it doesn't serve as a speed feat. King is not overcoming Katakuri's future sight and thus he's not landing a hit on him until it runs out. Katakuri has some of the highest Battle IQ we've seen in the series, so if Zoro is figuring out King's gimmick, Katakuri's doing it even faster. He's not gonna just mindlessly throw punches when King has his flame on. When King enters his speed form to try and blitz Katakuri, that is when Katakuri will intercept him (which he'll be able to do since that's his specialty with future sight) and he'll be able to inflict serious damage against King's less durable state. So the question becomes if Katakuri can build up enough damage to defeat King before his future sight stamina runs out, or if King can outlast it to finish Katakuri off with his ultimate attack. I lean more towards the former because Katakuri has better strength, armament haki and DC feats, and there's no guarantee that King's strongest attack will one shot Katakuri, or that Katakuri isn't fast enough to react to it. Either way, it's extreme diff, stop the downplay.
not because whole cake island luffy couldnt hit katakuri that means everyone else cant. the truth is that katakuri look good because luffy at that time was weak look at wano luffy learned future sight and got 10 times faster and got better haki and he was still struggling we even forgot that luffy has future sight because its so useless against the people in wano
also zoro forced king to turn of the flames because of his powerful haki katakuri isnt even closed to pre awakended zoro much less strong enough to force zoro and king doesnt need his speed form because of fire attacks the range his flight and he is a zoan with boasted stats
@@trav1325you think katakuri just sitting on his ass tickling his booth hole or some.. of course the guys gonna train and get stronger his goal is the to protect his siblings. You think he wouldn’t train and get stronger after losing
I hope that we will see Katakuri in the story again, because people underestimate him a lot. I'm not saying that Katakuri will win... but it certainly wouldn't be that clear cut. Not to mention that people often put him on the same level as Tobi Roppo. Which is utter nonsense. In general, people often forget that Luffy wasn't even a Yonko Commander level at the time. He only defeated Cracker because Nami assisted him. And he defeated Katakuri only because of the "plot armor" and his unbreakable will. Luffy ofc. surpassed Katakuri later ...additional "post udon" tranning. And overall it's crazy think there would be such a big difference between 1 Yonko Commanders.
"I'm gonna be willfully ignorant and continue pushing my bad agenda so I can sleep at night" How is donut boy hurting King with no advanced Armament or conqueror's, tell me, you and all the rest of the Kata fans that ruin the fanbase 😂
Ok...mochi is candy......fire melts mochi.....their powers are already mismatched making king superior in terms of power. Kat's obs haki will keep him in the fight longer but kings strength will overpower kat
Katakuri is not candy its a semi solid Food And Its a Awakened Df He can make it hard Soft sticky and set it on fire Ill take that over a gimmick That can be figured out by Zoro
@ItachiUchiha_1724 Mochi is still not flame resistant and it's a sweet treat/dessert. His devil fruit control is great but that still doesn't make the match up any less difficult for Kat. Zoro is a fighting Genius saying that he figured out Kings "gimmick" is just attempting to downplay his abilities. He's not dumb or a bumbling bafoon. He's extremely competent hence why people are always surprised that he isn't the captain. Kings abilities are simply superior to Kat observation haki no but that has its limits as we saw when luffy still couldn't dodge kaidos attacks even though he saw them coming.
Na man I believe in Kat I think Kat getting the tittle of undefeated is not a joke The fact he barely used his mine weapon a spear which would increase his destructive power I believe Kat would take this win I also believe victory over Kat was clearly plot
eh logically this doesn't really make sense. No YC1 vs YC1 match is going to be anything less than high diff. Doesn't matter which pair you make fight, that's just the fact based on the fact that Yonko crews are equivalent enough in power to coexist. It also assumes Katakuri's power remains static after WCI, which...dubious. At best. The calculations get even less realistic when you factor in what Greenbull did to King later. He's the undisputed weakest admiral and he walked up and nodiffed King. Even though he only had 1hp left, the tenuous peace makes no sense if you can send 3-4 admirals and comfortably defeat an entire yonko crew (which is what would happen if admirals were that much stronger than the strongest YC1). And since that is the case, you gotta give Katakuri a little more credit even if it appears through scaling that he is massively powercrept.
Would be cool to see some scaling for less apprecited Straw Hats like Robin and Brook, and how they'd scale to previous opps. Sign me up for Devil Robin vs Doffy and Katakuri.
1:11 Dont think Snakeman is his stronger G4 form cause its less durable than both Bounceman and Tankman. Snakemans attacks are faster than both tho. So basically Luffy prioritize speed to get over Kats Observation haki which is really cool. I Love G4 versatility
Literally doesn't talk about katakuris iq, Bro used the king fight in the anime to make it seem more 1 one-sided, but king only used 1 flame dragon in the manga
where are we getting kats endurance being good? its buns he got hit way less times and was in a worse condition then luffy at the end of the fight. Not to mention bb stated that logias arent used to being hit as much in his fight with ace , with kat being a logia adjacent
Yeah off of pure scaling Kat gets folded but he'll probably get the Crocodile treatment when he comes back of being relative to a lot of big characters And he certainly will come back since he'll be making moves to try and get Pudding back from the Blackbeard pirates
Crocodile has only had a bounty increase to 1.9B. he hasn't had any new feats or statements given about him, so it doesn't say much since boutny doesn't equal power.
I do think people forget katakuri did injure himself on purpose due to his sister injuring Luffy badly so Katakuri injured himself to make it more of a fair fight. I’m not saying Katakuri would still win against King but I think some power scalers forget this happened in the story. Overall I hope Katakuri comes back later in the story and shows how much stronger he has become like Lucci.
@what_could_have_been_. i wouldnt say kat has peaked since he from what we saw didnt have ryo or advanced conq. but i still agree that king low diffs katakuri but no diffs is a bit fo a stretch
@@kobiemeggs9333 go back to the manga or anime and reread/rewatch it yourself, he did get part of his chest blown out my fault for assuming you knew what u were talking abt tho
Finnaly someone that knows that katakuri aint that strong compared to king oh btw if u see this can u do a kuzan vs katakuri cuz katakuri glazers be saying kuzan gets no diffed
Several issues... First using the fact that Ulti made wano luffy go into G4 to make it seem like King scales above Katakuri is a bit iffy. Ulti is no joke and she's probably significantly stronger than her bounty makes it seem. Aside from that... luffy at that point is rushing to move on... it's likely that he went G4 just to finish the fight as quick as possible, not because he actually needed it.. and he was also off guard at that point. Second... Kaido notes the attack that Zoro made in the roof (that you claim was superior to luffy) uses advanced conqueror's Haki. You make it seem like Zoro was scaling to kaido before getting aCoC but that's not the case... he scaled to Kaido by briefly unlocking aCoC and then got full control over it during his fight with King. It's not unlikely that Asura is actually stronger than any attack Zoro used on King (seeing as how that is literally his ultimate move). Third: why are you assuming that someone reacting to kaido means that they would be able overpower Katakuri easily ? Pretty sure Katakuri would perfectly able to react to Kaido aswell, though obviously he would get folded in an extended fight. Overall I think King would win due to the fact that it would be a matter of time until Katakuri eventually runs out of steam (pretty sure aCoO is a bit taxing, but kings fire mode seems basically endless)... but this would be an extreme diff fight, with neither of them being capable of signficantly damaging the other for a long while.
As much as i like katakuri this is true …. Unless he unlocks advanced conquerors haki and use that with his mochi …. and as shanks vs kid proved to us having advanced conquerors is necessary to be among the top except blackbeard who can get away with it since he posses 2 broken devil fruits powers
By the time we get to the raid in Wano, Luffy is already stronger in his Base form than the Gear 4th form that defeated Kat in Wholecake Island. Then, this same post Udon Luffy is getting pressed by Ulti, gets overpowered, and was about to activate Gear 4 to escape, until Yamato saved him. So not only does Kat losses to King and Queen, but there is a very good chance he losses to the Tobbi Roppo as well. At this point, most of the straw hats beat him too. Kat might beat Usopp, Nami, and Brook, the three weakest straw hats. But for everyone else, it’s not close at all.
Do people not get the concept of the next arc characters are always stronger than the previous the strawhats are growing after every fight why would Oda have them fight someone on the same level or worse weaker than their previous opponent's. Doffy cannot be Katakuri, Katakuri is not beating King or Queen and King is not beating awakened Lucci. Lastly once again the new arc characters are always stronger than the previous
Luffy wouldn't need gear four to beat ulti but he would've needed it to break out of her grasp, ulti wouldn't stand a chance but because Oda doesn't care he would make it a fight
I do want to mention Luffy is holding back for most of Wano, so Katakuri scaling goes a little underrated, however King does win because Zoro has better feats than Rooftop Luffy at the start and Katakuri is getting one shot by anybody on that roof.
actually zoro was using advanced armament haki not conqueror's haki vivra card of zoro was released a few days ago and there was no conqueror haki mentioned also kaido said to zoro that you too have colour of arms which is basically advanced armament
Katakuri's edge here is his Advanced Observation and Conquers. Zoro in his full conquers Haki mode and thats only using at most base observation could dodge King without his flame on Katakuri only started slipping, is when he injured himself. Unless King gets Katakuri to lose his cool he ain't touching that man unless he makes a bigger aoe attack that Katakuri can't dodge or counter cause even Katakuri is fast af not King fast but enough to avoid most of Kings attack
On other hand, keep in mind that Zoro could react to Kaido/Linlin, and still King matched Zoro. But other than that, Kata doesn't have enough offence to even take down King without his flames, as Alber took hits from Zoro using Advanced Haoshoku, even when his flames were off, and he still was fighting. I don't see a way Katakuri is taking down King, when Luffy was just punching bag for nearly whole fight, and Kata still lost.
The growth in strength each arc for luffy is unquantifiable. Show me where Luffy is faster from whole cake to wano. Kat has bad durability but he IS faster and has better evasion. He eventually loses but the commanders are all relative. Who is to say that whole cake luffy doesn’t also beat king? King has no Ws against faster opponents and we’ve never seen a future sight user lose to someone without future sight. It’s the pinnacle of observation haki for a reason.
“Show me where Luffy is faster from whole cake to wano.” Luffy goes from being blitzed by Kaido in G4 in their first fight to being able to react to him in base in 1001, then his base with Conquerors Coating can match Hybrid Kaido. Meaning that Base Luffy is at least a blitz difference faster than his G4 Whole Cake self. ‘But that was Boundman without future sight in Kuri, not the Snakeman with FS that Kat fought’ The difference in speed between Boundman and Snakeman is not only unquantifiable, but based on later showings it’s negligible at best (ie Snakeman couldn’t land hits on a future sight Kaido vs Boundman landing hits shortly after). And while FS can improve reaction time it’s never been shown to be that great an amp for Luffy, which makes sense as he only just got it relatively speaking (ie, he was landing one or two more hits on Kat after getting FS but was overall still on the backfoot until he used Snakeman)
king isnt touching katakuri, he never showed to be fast enough, and this bum got outsmarted by zoro, katakuri would just iq diff him until he turns his flames off and its ggs, it doesnt matter how much ap king has if he cant hit katakuri
He was reacting to and landing hits on Marco with his flames on, is Marco slow? All I see Kata fans do is use their feelings instead of facts and then ignore any feat of other characters that proves their agenda wrong.
@saurmandersauce8048 Ty thinks Ulti vs Kat is high diff and chopper making queen bleed, nami hurting ulti with Zeus is enough to put them over katakuri. Did we watch the same video?
Honestly if King would've just stayed in his dinosaur form and continued to launch that face laser and wing blades from the sky he probably could've defeated Zoro. Instead he insisted on winning in a close range sword fight which was pretty stupid.
People are gonna be mad but if you compare their stats it's not close; Kata at best is comparable to or above WCI Snakeman, King legit no sells the attacks of, bullies and in flames off even blitzes pre ACOC Zoro who was strong enough to cut Kaido (while G4 Luffy only inflicted what he calls shallow damages) and fast enough to react to multiple of BM's attack. So not only is King way stronger but he's also faster, as for the people who are going to bring haki into all of this we know that future sight can be blitzed so it won't help Kata
You said Wano Luffy is dozen of times stronger than WCI Luffy. In SBS, Oda said Kuro is as fast as CP9's Soru. Kiku could hurt Kaido, but Kid did almost no damage. Is Kiku stronger than Kid?
@@CluelessMonkeyKing Kid just hit Kaido twice, one in base form and another in dragon form (also took advanage from Luffy's attack). Against big mom he did a great damage actually. Where's stated that Kid use shockwaves?
I feel this fight is actually closer than folks think. Because going by the events of Wano, we see Perospero, who should be weaker than Cracker, Smoothie and Katakuri was able to take on Neko at the same time as Jack was taking on Inu. Granted Neko and Inu were injured but so was Jack, and with how the fight was going, Neko and Inu needed to go into their Sulong forms to defeat them. So they are portrayed to be relative to one another in terms of threat level (Cause Neko and Inu are portrayed as Equals), I'm not saying Perospero equals Jack exactly, but a gap between them isn't massive, and Jack should be above all of the Flying Six, which would mean Perospero is also relative to or above most of the Flying Six (knowing how the Headliners work in Kaido's crew). So implying there's a massive one shot territory gap between Kaido and Big Mom's crew doesnt really work much portrayel wise. Unless you wanna say Perospero is above Katakuri 😅. I can agree that King's durability hax could give him the W over Katakuri, but to me this would be mid to high for him.
“Because going by the events of Wano, we see Perospero, who should be weaker than Cracker, Smoothie and Katakuri was able to take on Neko at the same time as Jack was taking on Inu.” Putting aside the fact that all 4 of them were wounded to different degrees, which already makes this a questionable scaling meta by itself, when you compare Pero’s and Jack’s showings in their prime conditions it’s not even close. Peros needed 10 chapters of off panel fighting to just barely beat 2 Sulong Minks, and by his account only after they lost the forms. Jack on rooftop could oneshot 6 Sulong Minks with a swipe of his trunk, at least one of those being a higher ranked musketeer than Wanda and Carrot. Put simply, the gap in AP is massive, the only reason Oeros did as well as he did against Neko was because he was wounded to a much worse degree.
@@michaeldorsey9231 I can understand it being questionable, but Oda clearly had smoothie, the 2nd sweet commander, on Big Mom's ship and why would he choose Perospero to still arrive in Wano, and have his main fight be against Inu, and why would he be treated in the same vain as Jack? You can argue the degree of injuries makes it hard to discern where everyone should be in terms of power but why would Oda use Perospero when people like Snacks and Smoothie could've filled that role. As for Perospero taking a while to defeat Carrot and Wanda, its off screen, and the time frame in Wano is weird in general, how do we know how long it took Perospero to defeat them. It could've been a long time, and Neko was just too late, or it could've been a short fight that wasnt long at all. I didnt say Perospero equaled Jack, just that, they arent on completely different tiers of strength. Also I just feel people pushing Ulti>Katakuri agenda just fail to remember that Perospero should be comparable to or better than a good chunk of the Flying Six.
I think katakuri is a little underrated since in the film red movie he was matching sanji in speed and strength. Still think it goes to king but high diff.
Regardless of whoever wins its not "not close" cuz at the end of the day they are both 1 billion Berry men and the right hand man of their (former) respective yonko crews and oda doesn't give a damn abt out powerscaling
I feel bad for katakuri, his whole family and kingdom dies, he gets beaten by a crackhead, and all he wants is a fair fight with a terrorist. He ends up STABBING HIMSELF to make the fight fair. He has every right to become a villain, but he remains a gigachad🗿🗿🗿. I hope he returns in the final saga
Katakuri fans still think he is yonko level or close. Saw one literally deem him "pseudo yonko" and they meant that he can't beat a yonko but yonkos can't beat him. Basically "He is yonko level and every yonko who fights him it will end in a draw"
This fight would be interesting. I don't think this is one sided. King is not touching Katakuri no matter what. He's too fast and has futuresight. But Katakuri can't damage King.
Flames on king literally landed a hit on Marco. Marco AT marineford not only reacted to akainu, but managed to save Luffy for aokiji and akainu AND react to kizaru. Flames off king honestly makes it worse for this match up. You have to prove that Katakuri can even land a hit on Marco in the first place
@@solenstyle Akainu and katakuri’s future sight are no where near the same level. You would have to prove katakuri is relative to akainu in speed in his base form before talking about future sight. And like I said, marco at marineford pre-timeskip is easily reacting to the admirals. Meanwhile, king with his flames on( so this isn’t king at his fastest ), can still land a hit on Marco( which is impressive given the fact that marco would obviously grow in speed and is no where near the same level as his pre-timeskip self. Plus we have marco blocking a blast breath from dragon kaido). If king were to not use his flames on katakuri, then Katakuri can damage king but he isn’t going to land a hit. Future sight doesn’t work on characters who are much faster than you.
@@CluelessMonkeyKing All Akainu did was an example of what Katakuri did. In fact, the only reason we know Akainu has future sight is due to Katakuri performing the same feat and attributing it to future sight. speed? We literally saw him dodge Snakeman attacks. Same thing as Kaido. Except Kaido would turn it off because he likes testing his durability.
@@solenstyle WCI luffy isn’t even near admiral level in terms of peed and until proven, this claim is blatantly false. And kaido was dodging Snakeman luffy on rooftop. Trying to compare kaido’s interaction with snakeman to katakuri’s interaction doesn’t work due to katakuri being powercliffed by rooftop luffy dozens of times over. We have zoro showing superiority to the initial snakeman luffy. This is the same zoro who not only scared HYBRID kaido but manages to outpace him. Since king more than likely scales or upscales from this zoro, it means king upscales from katakuri. You cant prove that rooftop zoro and katakuri are at the same level or katakuri is superior. And you’ve yet to prove that katakuri can match marco in terms of speed without future sight. Even with future sight, marco is reacting to admirals + yonkos which makes it even worse for this match up. Flames on king is already faster than katakuri. Adding king without his flames just makes it worse since that is king at his fastest.
I'm picking King, but let me make a long case for my boy Katakuri. Not that he wins, but that he hasn't been outscaled as badly as the argument in this video presented. 1. I think people don't apply enough context about why the Luffy that defeated/drew with Kat got one-shot by Kaido. Luffy was in Gear 4 Bounceman vs Kaido that is slower than his G4 Snakeman form that Luffy needed to defeat Kat. So Kat is faster than what Luffy was in Kuri. And more importantly, Luffy was freaking the fuck out against Kaido, because he just thought that his crew died. Not only could he not use future sight, he wasn't even thinking straight and was rushing Kaido like an idiot. If he was clear headed in his faster form(Snakeman) he preforms much better against base Kaido in Kuri. In my opinion G4 Snakeman with future sight dodges Kaido Thunder Bagua in Kuri. And by extension so would Katakuri. So the deal about base Luffy outscaling his G4 form from WCI/Wano act 1, because he dodged the first base Kaido's Thunder Bagua on the rooftop was mostly because this time he wasn't freaking out and actually used future sight. And he still got scratched in base with future sight. If Luffy used G4 Snakeman there as well Kaido wouldn't have been able to even scratch him. So he wouldn't get full speed future sight Kat as well. 2. Recently the official colorings for the manga came out and showed that Marco was able to make flame-on King bleed with his shockwaves. And so did a pre-ACoC Zoro, although the damage wasn't severe just like with Marco's shockvawes. This shows that flame-on King can get damaged by non-ACoC attacks. Which makes sense because so can Kaido. We know that Ryou attacks from Luffy at the start of Roofpiece hurt Kaido. Just not to a huge degree(still shallow). We know Katakuri's Armament Haki is not basic. He even mentions that there are levels to even Armament Haki, so he is aware of higher levels of it. We see him constantly overpower Luffy's armament almost like he is doing internal damage, making Luffy's hands throb. Or maybe it's because he shapes his Mochi fists to be more blocky which makes his armament better. Whatever the case, I think he might be able to hurt King in flame-on like Marco. So the argument of him being completely ineffective against flame-on King isn't 100% guaranteed. 3. When it comes to speed, once again I don't think base Luffy outscaled his Kuri G4 due to the reasons in my first point. Luffy did go through training in Udon, but it was mostly focused on Ryou, which is just a way to get past durability. So I don't think that rooftop pre-ACoC Snakeman is a lot faster than WCI Snakeman. A bit, but not a lot. Rooftop Zoro isn't as fast as pre-ACoC Snakeman Luffy in my opinion. Overall, Luffy is still a superior fighter to Zoro on the rooftop and is still faster at top speed(Snakeman). The only exception would be the moment Zoro used ACoC with Ashura. But we know that Zoro wasn't controlling his ACoC at the beginning of the King fight. So he was fighting King without ACoC + Enma Haki drain and was in my opinion slower than non-ACoC Snakeman Luffy and by extension full power/speed Katakuri. He only started to outspeed and overpower King when he once again took control of his ACoC(we know ACoC isn't just a AP buff, but seemingly also a speed and durability buff). So I don't think the speed difference between King and Katakuri is that big. I think Katakuri is definitely faster than flames-on King. Even if he isn't faster than flames-off King, he has future sight which would help him make up for the speed difference and not just get blitzed. And potentially land a blow on flame-off King which would hurt. If you read this thank you, if not have a good day. And yes, I had time to yap like this.
Wanna give some push back on the Snakeman points; 1) the speed difference between Snakeman and Boundman is never really quantified, and based on later showings (ie Snakeman being blitzed by future sight Kaido vs Boundman still being able to tag him) the actual difference in speed would be negligible at best. 2) assuming that Luffy absolutely didn’t have his Future Sight in Kuri (it’s more probable he didn’t have it but never outright confirmed, as it’s not impossible to use observation Haki when emotions are running high), I still doubt him using it in Kuri would have allowed him to dodge Kaido. Luffy only just got his future sight, and based on his showings against Kat it only seems to marginally increase his reaction speed (ie, Luffy could dodge more of Kat’s hits, but was still being tagged numerous times by Kat even after getting FS). ‘But for Kat and Kaido using FS gives them a huge speed buff’ That doesn’t mean the same would apply for Luffy, his FS doesn’t need to be as proficient as either of theirs, just like how Marguerite doesn’t scale to Vergo just because both can use basic armament Haki.
in terms of speed king has more going for him remember hes a lunarian stats boost then hes a ancient zoan that is known for its speed he can also fly look at sanji his flight increase his speed ten fold and king can fly katakuri cant
Ong bro this was never a debate to begin with, King literally destroys Katakuri low diff he got powercliffed the moment Post-WCI Luffy got one shot by Kaido. Get this man pass Queen first 😂😂😂
@@Thatonedude9876 he is much past that. Base Cat Viper was able to slam Jack and that same Cat Viper lost to Perospero. Although, Cat Viper was wounded but so was Perospero. Perespero is leagues behind Katakuri also the Tobiropo don't have enough speed stats to even hit Katakuri. I will admit King does slam Katakuri but you ppl think Jack would beat him. Pathetic.
“Base Cat Viper was able to slam Jack and that same Cat Viper lost to Perospero. ” Base Neko wasn’t able to put Jack down for 10 days on Zou (in spite of Neko getting rest periods), and it took Sulong Neko and Inu together to actually put down Jack. Neko was also significantly more wounded/battle damaged than Peros by the time of their altercation, and he had just lost his Sulong when Peros was getting the upper hand (as seen with Carrot in Whole Cake coming out of Sulong tires the user). And to cap this off, when you compare Peros and Jack’s feats in their prime conditions, Peros barely beat 2 Sulong Minks over the course of 10 chapters off panel, and only after they lost their Sulong; Jack was swiping aside at least 6 Sulong Minks and rendering them unconscious in one hit on the roof. Simply put, Peros does not scale to Jack.
To who is meat riding katakuri he connected 100+ attack to luffy but fodder donut got his ass handed by luffy with just 11 attack and this hinata durability katakuri got his ass knocked by oven,whole cake sanji one shoted oven without any haki 😂💀
Still, King took few advanced Haoshoku hits from Zoro, without his flames on. And keep in mind, that Zoro without Adv. Haoshoku could damage Kaido. Meanwhile Katakuri had WCI Luffy as his personal punching bag for quite a time, and he still didn't took him down.
@@DrakoNotDraco 1. How Katakuri was mentally nerfed? Like, Luffy made a lot of reasons for Katakuri to not go easy on me the longer fight went. He literally wanted to take down Luffy before he would match his own future sight. 2. Physically? He stabbed himself. That's one attack. Besides, it was only fair as he managed to land hit on Luffy because of Flampe. 3. Sure he got up first. Now put Post-Katakuri FRESH Luffy against Katakuri again. It's clear, once Luffy learned Advanced Kenbunshoku, and was getting better at it, he surpassed Katakuri. He wouldn't take that much pointless hits. Post-Katakuri Luffy is still 1st commander level as Katakuri himself. But he surpassed him in battle and at the end of WCI, he was stronger. Luffy who was at worse condition matched him evenly while he was just training his Adv. Kenbunshoku through the fight.
King gets no diffed because Kat has that well written character haki 💯💯💯
My ass
Haki.
GREAT VIDEO.
@@Shane-ed6mu zoro's haki on roof top couldn't cut king , roof top zoro >>katt
“I relentlessly beat up some guys cuz they laughed at my face, then the retaliated and beat up my sister, then I killed them 🗣️🍩🔥‼️” - elder god tier writing
Your katakuri takes are just a sign of a low reading comprehension level 😂 Why didn't Kaido send Ulti to raid Whole Cake Island if his crew out-scales Big Mom that much?
Narrative > power-scalers clinging to outlier feats
u a real one for this gang LOOOL
@@canasdad9115 because big mom exists still g o o f y
Oda doesn't care about power scaling like us so narratively she couldn't.Also Yonks don't challenge each other to maintain balance in the world
@@gameuniverse5973then it would be better to have bigmom by herself all alon in tha island and that her comrades are usless,I could argue that if sent someone like king alone but cmon ulti cant beat all them.
Katakuri is done dude he’s 50+ years old he doesn’t have advance conquerors he’s not getting stronger we already have the new yonko lmao that was katakuri in his prime and he couldn’t knock out WHOLE CAKE LUFFY 1 time. No matter what you say he was trying to beat luffy but he couldn’t so it is what it is like Zoro has stronger haki technically than katakuri but katakuri just has okay observation haki but again he doesn’t even have the best observation haki kaido could see in the future too and shanks so and katakuri is not durable man
You fundamentally misunderstand One Piece, this is not Dragon Ball... Characters don't get "dozens of times" stronger from season to season. Saying that King would one shot Katakuri doesn't make any sense withing the lore, Big Mom crew would be absolutely unable to compete if their strongest fighter was so much weaker than King.
Saying King oneshots Kata based off of feats does make sense though. King not only has the speed and durability to keep up with Kata and tank his attacks but Kata doesn't have the offence to damage King severely. I have seen some argue that Kata can use his spear and use Mochi Tsuki to "low diff" him but that is almost identical to saying Zoro has sharp swords and Luffy doesn't fight against them well so Luffy would lose or win extreme diff.
In one piece there’s a thing called haki blooming. Which basically means that when yku fight tougher and tougher opponents and survive your haki gets a significant increase and haki in one piece directly correlates to physical/df strength so yea basically characters do get stronger after every season because everyone season they fight tougher and tougher opponents it’s been stated and shown multiple times
@@zodabh21 yes stronger. But definitely not dozens of times stronger from season to season, only in the time jump it could be argue that they got this much of a boost in power... Think about it... If they could get dozens of times stronger like that there would be no need for a time jump at all.
@@kaisersouze9515actually yes they DO get dozens of times stronger over seasons depending on the character based on feats and context clues and outright statements 😂
Katakuri can’t hurt king he doesn’t have advance conquerors lmao he’s not going to get stronger big mom out we already have the new yonko the dude already in his 50s he’s already past his primes stop being delusional katakuri can’t hurt king it’s just what it is but I don’t think king can one shot him I think itd still be a fight but king still wins
Awakening, CoC haki, future sight vs Lunarian with a mid df
oh gee I wonder who'd win
Katakuri and king are both on the same level they are both yonko 1st commanders. The reason why most people give king the edge is bcz katakuri has no way of damaging King. Katakuri has COC but not the advanced form. King would be able to outlast Kat bcz of his durability and if luffy is able to take all of katakuris attacks then king can and king won't sustain damage. King also has a direct counter to katakuris mochi which is his magma flames. I don't see how Katakuri deals with kings extra large imperial flaming wings. We know Zoro was able to cut through that but the attack was never counted. Unless katakuri is able to unlocked advanced conquerors he can't beat king.
Doflamingo is also awakened, stronger fruit abilities aren't unbeatable, he is arguably one of the best devil fruit users in the show and Kaido called him weak.
Conqueror's haki was also something Doffy had, but it wasn't advanced, making it mostly useless. Katakuri didn't advance his.
Future sight is good, but can be surpassed with speed, stated by Kaido. This makes sense as well considering if someone is out speeding you, it becomes harder to see what they are doing and harder to react to them in a short span of time.
Then you just label King as a random Lunarian as if the entire race was equally as strong as him. King was Kaido's right hand and earned his position considering Kaido's crew is strength based. His armament haki was strong enough to clash against Zoro before their fight ended even when he had conqueror's coating.
Katakuri wins
Based on what? His feats and statements don't put him over King at all.
Zoro no diffed king while Enma was sucking the haki out of him. Luffy couldn’t even get a clean victory against katakuri and got washed the whole fight.
@@exaltedjeans7084 No diff would have been ending the fight quickly near the start without taking damage, Zoro didn't do that at all. He was getting beat up until he got conqueror's coating and even stated himself in both the manga and the anime that just from King's explosive counter he almost died. Even Tempuraudon (the attack where King stretches his head back in his full Pteranodon form) Zoro described it as a laser in terms of speed and called it unblockable.
They even both paused mid fight to say they now see the danger that each of them pose to one another. Your bias is showing 😂
@@quandaviousgooch4726 king said zoro was dangerous and then zoro just started to overtake him and announce that king was about to lose. Then he blitzed him in a clash. This mutual respect ur describing never happens in the manga. Ur supposed to be a powerscaler and you don’t even understand basic events that happened in the fight.
@@exaltedjeans7084 That still doesn't change what I said, he didn't have the upper hand until he had conqueror's coating, ironically you are saying I have bad comprehension while your take from that fight is "no diff". You also left out where Zoro said "same to you" after King said that. The whole point of their fight is that they are both right hands who made the promise to never lose to their captains and they believe in their captains' dreams and are fighting for that, not that this dude no diffs that dude.
Try gaslighting someone with less sense that they don't have basic comprehension, not gonna have it from you. Again, ironic considering your take is "no diff", seems like you only consider the end of their fight where Zoro gets coating as the start of the fight.
Katakuri neg diffs king the campfire
Need i explain?
@@ItachiUchiha_1724 stop yapping bih
@@ItachiUchiha_1724 low iq ahh
@@申月営無営月無営有申katakuri neg diffs king the campfire
Need i explain?
Yes... If you make a claim you kinda gotta explain
Btw I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with what you're saying just saying you should still explain a bit
@@AkataHabo-hx9ek katakuri neg diffed ichiji with one basic half assed punch
King could not damage raid suit sanji with intent to kill
Katakuri takes Ap strength and Dc
(Realize katakuri neg diffed one shot punched ichiji who had a raid suit and a modified body...king could not damage raid suit sanji)
Zoro followed and hit king in flane iff speed mode with his garbage Observation haki.......
Katakuri who mastered Observation haki and has adv. Observation is having 0 trouble Dodging blocking
And will easily hit and counter king
Who is just as durable as the next guy in speed mode
And we already know katakuri's ap strength abd dc is nothing to laugh at
So katakuri using his haki and mogura is doing lethal damage to king
Haki no need to explain katakuri slams king in haki as well
Katakuri has
unique Armament (maybe form of adv. Armament all i know its stronger than g4 haki the same g4 that made bigmom block she made a conscious choice to do that she felt the need)
adv. Observation haki (he can see and hear the future)
intermediate conquers haki (he can physically destroy and effect the physical world some thing shanks did on wb's ship and luffy right before using adv. Conquers)
Stamina and endurance easily goes to katakuri
Fighting 11 hours non stop 8 hours in awakening 4 of those hours with a hole in his stomach aka a lethal attack
Durability goes to king but only in Flame on mode
Speed easily goes to katakuri he saw the future in the future and moved faster than it
He tight roped danced through the black mamba and attacked luffy so fast luffy saw it but could not do anything
He even says "he will just go faster and further into the future"
Nothing king showed or has is faster than anything snakeman can do
And do not come at me with powercliff or island buff
Because by that luffy Shoukd be so much stronger right
So many say udon prison Luffy destroys wci luffy he is so much strong
No
He isn't he is just learning a hax
He might have Got a small increase to strength and stamina do the Cuffs having a little Sea prism in them
But we can make a debunk wano luffy >>>>
These two are extremely relative in power overall, with King having superior durability and Katakuri having superior haki and devil fruit hax!!! But from a match up point of view King has the advantage over everyone who doesn't have advanced Coc haki, because they are just unable to damage him. King would win in a fight, but I can't say that King is definitly stronger "overall". King's lack of haki is a real issue for me when power scaling him!!!
Agreed
These are horrible arguments
Kat awakened his fruit, future sight, conquerors haki, and his drip???? fucking slaps king.
Power scalers are funny. On the grand scheme of things. Kat and king will be relative to each other. Because it serves the narrative purpose. Bet you a dollar if Oda ever made this two fight each other it will be the same as akainu and aokiji. A long drawnout fight.
Being the right hand of a yonko does not mean that that person is relative to all the other right hands. The yonko are not equal in strength even. Do you think Blackbeard without his crew is pushing Kaido to go all out with his haki being significantly weaker? Even if he were to disable his devil fruit, Kaido's haki is far stronger than his.
Thanks for your unproductive comment that you got from a TH-camr saying "lel, power scaling is le big cringe."
@@quandaviousgooch4726 it does but what do I know
@@nycxtbh947 Prove that they are
Ive always seen Big mom's crew to be not even close to her power level. And king is maybe approaching Kaidos. He is nowhere near, but still he could maybe fight beside him. While Big mom's crew would die from her AOE
That’s because u are completely ignoring narrative and only focusing on the power cliff. That’s like saying any of the tobbi roppo could one shot dolfamingo when that wouldn’t even make sense based on portrayal. I feel like we as a fan base should recognize that one piece powerscaling isn’t that linear or else we’d all have to agree crocodile is weaker than like any vice admiral because he got beat by the weakest form of luffy.
“That’s because u are completely ignoring narrative and only focusing on the power cliff.”
What’s the real difference if the power cliff is a part of/supported by the narrative?
“ That’s like saying any of the tobbi roppo could one shot dolfamingo when that wouldn’t even make sense based on portrayal”
Why not? Doffy was getting ragdolled by a version of G4 Luffy that’s weaker than base Wano Luffy who was struggling against base Ulti.
I feel like we as a fan base should recognize that one piece powerscaling isn’t that linear or else we’d all have to agree crocodile is weaker than like any vice admiral because he got beat by the weakest form of luffy.”
Why is that an unreasonable assertion? Croc did factually get beaten by a Luffy that would get one tapped by any Vice Admiral, what about the narrative contradicts that?
@@michaeldorsey9231 because at that point we know that crocodile prior to fighting luffy, faced off against whitebeard and that’s how he received that scar and presumably lost this hand. He was recognized by the world government to be strong enough to be a warlord, So him losing to luffy makes no sense and even oda admitted that he was introduced too early. But one piece fans refuse to acknowledge that sometimes their are inconsistencies in one piece and when we judge a characters strength we should take that into account. Do you really think if oda introduced katakuri or dolfamingo back into the story like he did for crocodile they would still be weaker than a tobbi roppo. There is so much more to power scaling than just face value feats
@@lemmyrules4893good point
@@lemmyrules4893 100% agree. to add on to it, croc was also shown in marineford to clash with characters like mihawk, doffy and akainu and hes just been in impel down the whole time doing nothing so its clear oda revoked alabasta completely and scaled crocodile correctly. and not to mention his current bounty being 2 billion.
@@peekaylordington6740 exactly. and I still can’t get over the whole ulti>katakuri debate that happened during the start of onigashima 😭 like what are op fans smoking
Its not really possible to do a match up like this because we haven't even seen kat's full power since he attacked himself during the fight with luffy, which did a majority of the damage
This scaling makes no sense lmao. Zoro's performance on the rooftop against Kaido proved he has insane AP. Great, now what does that have to do with this matchup? Kaido is notorious for letting characters hit him to see if they're capable of killing him, so it doesn't serve as a speed feat. King is not overcoming Katakuri's future sight and thus he's not landing a hit on him until it runs out. Katakuri has some of the highest Battle IQ we've seen in the series, so if Zoro is figuring out King's gimmick, Katakuri's doing it even faster. He's not gonna just mindlessly throw punches when King has his flame on. When King enters his speed form to try and blitz Katakuri, that is when Katakuri will intercept him (which he'll be able to do since that's his specialty with future sight) and he'll be able to inflict serious damage against King's less durable state. So the question becomes if Katakuri can build up enough damage to defeat King before his future sight stamina runs out, or if King can outlast it to finish Katakuri off with his ultimate attack. I lean more towards the former because Katakuri has better strength, armament haki and DC feats, and there's no guarantee that King's strongest attack will one shot Katakuri, or that Katakuri isn't fast enough to react to it. Either way, it's extreme diff, stop the downplay.
not because whole cake island luffy couldnt hit katakuri that means everyone else cant. the truth is that katakuri look good because luffy at that time was weak look at wano luffy learned future sight and got 10 times faster and got better haki and he was still struggling we even forgot that luffy has future sight because its so useless against the people in wano
also zoro forced king to turn of the flames because of his powerful haki katakuri isnt even closed to pre awakended zoro much less strong enough to force zoro and king doesnt need his speed form because of fire attacks the range his flight and he is a zoan with boasted stats
@@trav1325Luffy wasn’t weak. Just cuz he got one shot by Kaido doesn’t mean King nor Kat wouldn’t..
@@trav1325you think katakuri just sitting on his ass tickling his booth hole or some.. of course the guys gonna train and get stronger his goal is the to protect his siblings. You think he wouldn’t train and get stronger after losing
Also the attack that actually wounded Kaido used aCoC.... why do people forget that ?
I hope that we will see Katakuri in the story again, because people underestimate him a lot. I'm not saying that Katakuri will win... but it certainly wouldn't be that clear cut. Not to mention that people often put him on the same level as Tobi Roppo. Which is utter nonsense.
In general, people often forget that Luffy wasn't even a Yonko Commander level at the time. He only defeated Cracker because Nami assisted him. And he defeated Katakuri only because of the "plot armor" and his unbreakable will. Luffy ofc. surpassed Katakuri later ...additional "post udon" tranning.
And overall it's crazy think there would be such a big difference between 1 Yonko Commanders.
Not even gonna watch this cringe scaling, anyway Katakuri slams badly mid diff at worst
"I'm gonna be willfully ignorant and continue pushing my bad agenda so I can sleep at night"
How is donut boy hurting King with no advanced Armament or conqueror's, tell me, you and all the rest of the Kata fans that ruin the fanbase 😂
Kat cannot damage king. After watching Zoro vs king, do you really think katakuri has a chance?
Katakuri glazers coping as always
Katakuri is closer to Queen then King
King slams Katakuri
Ok...mochi is candy......fire melts mochi.....their powers are already mismatched making king superior in terms of power. Kat's obs haki will keep him in the fight longer but kings strength will overpower kat
Katakuri is not candy its a semi solid Food
And Its a Awakened Df
He can make it hard Soft sticky and set it on fire
Ill take that over a gimmick That can be figured out by Zoro
@ItachiUchiha_1724 Mochi is still not flame resistant and it's a sweet treat/dessert. His devil fruit control is great but that still doesn't make the match up any less difficult for Kat. Zoro is a fighting Genius saying that he figured out Kings "gimmick" is just attempting to downplay his abilities. He's not dumb or a bumbling bafoon. He's extremely competent hence why people are always surprised that he isn't the captain. Kings abilities are simply superior to Kat observation haki no but that has its limits as we saw when luffy still couldn't dodge kaidos attacks even though he saw them coming.
Na man I believe in Kat I think Kat getting the tittle of undefeated is not a joke The fact he barely used his mine weapon a spear which would increase his destructive power I believe Kat would take this win I also believe victory over Kat was clearly plot
I would love if the Beastpirates team up with the Big Mom pirates. Because they are each cooked without their captsib
eh logically this doesn't really make sense. No YC1 vs YC1 match is going to be anything less than high diff. Doesn't matter which pair you make fight, that's just the fact based on the fact that Yonko crews are equivalent enough in power to coexist. It also assumes Katakuri's power remains static after WCI, which...dubious. At best.
The calculations get even less realistic when you factor in what Greenbull did to King later. He's the undisputed weakest admiral and he walked up and nodiffed King. Even though he only had 1hp left, the tenuous peace makes no sense if you can send 3-4 admirals and comfortably defeat an entire yonko crew (which is what would happen if admirals were that much stronger than the strongest YC1). And since that is the case, you gotta give Katakuri a little more credit even if it appears through scaling that he is massively powercrept.
King is stronger yes. But the levels of downplay you just put on bro is the insane part
Would be cool to see some scaling for less apprecited Straw Hats like Robin and Brook, and how they'd scale to previous opps. Sign me up for Devil Robin vs Doffy and Katakuri.
King is just faster and more durable than Kat
1:38 Future sight is useless if your enemy is faster than you.
Luffy didnt block Kaido even with his future sight.
Agenda Devil Katakuri vs Durability Desparado King
who wins!???
1:11 Dont think Snakeman is his stronger G4 form cause its less durable than both Bounceman and Tankman. Snakemans attacks are faster than both tho. So basically Luffy prioritize speed to get over Kats Observation haki which is really cool. I Love G4 versatility
Literally doesn't talk about katakuris iq, Bro used the king fight in the anime to make it seem more 1 one-sided, but king only used 1 flame dragon in the manga
It would be great if you do a video on why the Regime from the DC injustice universe doing the MHA gauntlet is a total massacre
This is exactly the kind of battle that is won by stamina, 100%
& With that specific deciding factor, the winner goes to King(sadly) lol😂
katakuri is relavistic+ and king is ftl+
where are we getting kats endurance being good? its buns he got hit way less times and was in a worse condition then luffy at the end of the fight. Not to mention bb stated that logias arent used to being hit as much in his fight with ace , with kat being a logia adjacent
kat isnt a logia bro
These two angsty men will definitely become friends if they ever met
Nah King isn't the type to get along with anyone. He is only loyal to Kaido. He doesn't care anyone else
Yeah off of pure scaling Kat gets folded but he'll probably get the Crocodile treatment when he comes back of being relative to a lot of big characters
And he certainly will come back since he'll be making moves to try and get Pudding back from the Blackbeard pirates
Crocodile has only had a bounty increase to 1.9B. he hasn't had any new feats or statements given about him, so it doesn't say much since boutny doesn't equal power.
They couldn’t even touch Buggy D Clown
Wano broke the power-scalling
I do think people forget katakuri did injure himself on purpose due to his sister injuring Luffy badly so Katakuri injured himself to make it more of a fair fight. I’m not saying Katakuri would still win against King but I think some power scalers forget this happened in the story. Overall I hope Katakuri comes back later in the story and shows how much stronger he has become like Lucci.
@what_could_have_been_. i wouldnt say kat has peaked since he from what we saw didnt have ryo or advanced conq. but i still agree that king low diffs katakuri but no diffs is a bit fo a stretch
katakuri didn't even make the fight even, luffy got a chunk of his chest blown off and katakuri just pierced himself
@@semicolon2599 and luffy had wobble legs because of poison
@@semicolon2599he’s rubber it didn’t blow nothing stop exaggerating
@@kobiemeggs9333 go back to the manga or anime and reread/rewatch it yourself, he did get part of his chest blown out
my fault for assuming you knew what u were talking abt tho
Finnaly someone that knows that katakuri aint that strong compared to king oh btw if u see this can u do a kuzan vs katakuri cuz katakuri glazers be saying kuzan gets no diffed
People don’t understand the difference between people who have coating of conquerors vs people who don’t
Could Roshi beat Batman video idea
Batman has plot armo- I mean “prep-time” on his side so no.
Roshi in torment of power vs batman classic era
Nah Batman has no prep time cause if he did it's over
And I'm useing super Roshi and classic Batman
@@LourdesGarcia-r7t If that's the case then Roshi one shots.
One Piece powerscaling is all over the place. The fact that Gear 4 Luffy in Whole cake is a decent but weaker than hia base in Wano is insane
Several issues...
First using the fact that Ulti made wano luffy go into G4 to make it seem like King scales above Katakuri is a bit iffy. Ulti is no joke and she's probably significantly stronger than her bounty makes it seem. Aside from that... luffy at that point is rushing to move on... it's likely that he went G4 just to finish the fight as quick as possible, not because he actually needed it.. and he was also off guard at that point.
Second... Kaido notes the attack that Zoro made in the roof (that you claim was superior to luffy) uses advanced conqueror's Haki. You make it seem like Zoro was scaling to kaido before getting aCoC but that's not the case... he scaled to Kaido by briefly unlocking aCoC and then got full control over it during his fight with King. It's not unlikely that Asura is actually stronger than any attack Zoro used on King (seeing as how that is literally his ultimate move).
Third: why are you assuming that someone reacting to kaido means that they would be able overpower Katakuri easily ? Pretty sure Katakuri would perfectly able to react to Kaido aswell, though obviously he would get folded in an extended fight.
Overall I think King would win due to the fact that it would be a matter of time until Katakuri eventually runs out of steam (pretty sure aCoO is a bit taxing, but kings fire mode seems basically endless)... but this would be an extreme diff fight, with neither of them being capable of signficantly damaging the other for a long while.
As much as i like katakuri this is true …. Unless he unlocks advanced conquerors haki and use that with his mochi …. and as shanks vs kid proved to us having advanced conquerors is necessary to be among the top except blackbeard who can get away with it since he posses 2 broken devil fruits powers
and even with those his struggling against law and his weak crew
By the time we get to the raid in Wano, Luffy is already stronger in his Base form than the Gear 4th form that defeated Kat in Wholecake Island. Then, this same post Udon Luffy is getting pressed by Ulti, gets overpowered, and was about to activate Gear 4 to escape, until Yamato saved him.
So not only does Kat losses to King and Queen, but there is a very good chance he losses to the Tobbi Roppo as well.
At this point, most of the straw hats beat him too. Kat might beat Usopp, Nami, and Brook, the three weakest straw hats. But for everyone else, it’s not close at all.
Do people not get the concept of the next arc characters are always stronger than the previous the strawhats are growing after every fight why would Oda have them fight someone on the same level or worse weaker than their previous opponent's. Doffy cannot be Katakuri, Katakuri is not beating King or Queen and King is not beating awakened Lucci. Lastly once again the new arc characters are always stronger than the previous
Saying Katakuri can't get past Chopper or Nami is foul
Hey please, can you do a video on ui Goku from tournament of power vs gogeta🙏
ok yes but kat is taking out chopper and nami tho
In a nutshell, neither mochi-shrines or future-sight would save Kat from being incinerated by the massive imperial dragon flames 🔥🐉🔥
What about conquers haki, im prety shure that gives a masive advantage and katakuri will proboly learn while fighting king like zoro did
Luffy wouldn't need gear four to beat ulti but he would've needed it to break out of her grasp, ulti wouldn't stand a chance but because Oda doesn't care he would make it a fight
The scariest part is that dragon ball powercrept is still bigger than one piece
I do want to mention Luffy is holding back for most of Wano, so Katakuri scaling goes a little underrated, however King does win because Zoro has better feats than Rooftop Luffy at the start and Katakuri is getting one shot by anybody on that roof.
actually zoro was using advanced armament haki not conqueror's haki
vivra card of zoro was released a few days ago and there was no conqueror haki mentioned also kaido said to zoro that you too have colour of arms which is basically advanced armament
Katakuri's edge here is his Advanced Observation and Conquers. Zoro in his full conquers Haki mode and thats only using at most base observation could dodge King without his flame on Katakuri only started slipping, is when he injured himself. Unless King gets Katakuri to lose his cool he ain't touching that man unless he makes a bigger aoe attack that Katakuri can't dodge or counter cause even Katakuri is fast af not King fast but enough to avoid most of Kings attack
On other hand, keep in mind that Zoro could react to Kaido/Linlin, and still King matched Zoro.
But other than that, Kata doesn't have enough offence to even take down King without his flames, as Alber took hits from Zoro using Advanced Haoshoku, even when his flames were off, and he still was fighting.
I don't see a way Katakuri is taking down King, when Luffy was just punching bag for nearly whole fight, and Kata still lost.
The growth in strength each arc for luffy is unquantifiable. Show me where Luffy is faster from whole cake to wano. Kat has bad durability but he IS faster and has better evasion. He eventually loses but the commanders are all relative.
Who is to say that whole cake luffy doesn’t also beat king? King has no Ws against faster opponents and we’ve never seen a future sight user lose to someone without future sight. It’s the pinnacle of observation haki for a reason.
“Show me where Luffy is faster from whole cake to wano.”
Luffy goes from being blitzed by Kaido in G4 in their first fight to being able to react to him in base in 1001, then his base with Conquerors Coating can match Hybrid Kaido. Meaning that Base Luffy is at least a blitz difference faster than his G4 Whole Cake self.
‘But that was Boundman without future sight in Kuri, not the Snakeman with FS that Kat fought’
The difference in speed between Boundman and Snakeman is not only unquantifiable, but based on later showings it’s negligible at best (ie Snakeman couldn’t land hits on a future sight Kaido vs Boundman landing hits shortly after). And while FS can improve reaction time it’s never been shown to be that great an amp for Luffy, which makes sense as he only just got it relatively speaking (ie, he was landing one or two more hits on Kat after getting FS but was overall still on the backfoot until he used Snakeman)
“we’ve never seen a future sight user lose to someone without future sight.”
Kaido without FS beat a rooftop Luffy that had access to FS.
@@michaeldorsey9231 luffy couldn’t use it because he was too emotional
king isnt touching katakuri, he never showed to be fast enough, and this bum got outsmarted by zoro, katakuri would just iq diff him until he turns his flames off and its ggs, it doesnt matter how much ap king has if he cant hit katakuri
He was reacting to and landing hits on Marco with his flames on, is Marco slow? All I see Kata fans do is use their feelings instead of facts and then ignore any feat of other characters that proves their agenda wrong.
@@quandaviousgooch4726 ok so how much faster do you think zoro in wano is compared to dress rosa sanji?
Do zoro and sanji vs Greenbull and fujitora
Kat can’t beat chopper or nami. Are we being fr right now 😐😑😑😑
Yo bro can you pls do another Yu gi oh video
I actually think Katakuri is kinda underrated, I don't think he's Ulti level or Jack level. But King is way too much, I do have him over Queen though
Ulti not beating Kat bro
your high if you dont think kata's beating ulti nor jack
@saurmandersauce8048 Ty thinks Ulti vs Kat is high diff and chopper making queen bleed, nami hurting ulti with Zeus is enough to put them over katakuri. Did we watch the same video?
@@starslight-x3o unfortunately many people do
@@starslight-x3oI think he worded wrong
Honestly if King would've just stayed in his dinosaur form and continued to launch that face laser and wing blades from the sky he probably could've defeated Zoro. Instead he insisted on winning in a close range sword fight which was pretty stupid.
then the fire attribute comes into play against the mochi
Great video!
It's as simple as King needs to be fast to beat Kata, but he gets weaker while doing so.
People are gonna be mad but if you compare their stats it's not close; Kata at best is comparable to or above WCI Snakeman, King legit no sells the attacks of, bullies and in flames off even blitzes pre ACOC Zoro who was strong enough to cut Kaido (while G4 Luffy only inflicted what he calls shallow damages) and fast enough to react to multiple of BM's attack. So not only is King way stronger but he's also faster, as for the people who are going to bring haki into all of this we know that future sight can be blitzed so it won't help Kata
EXCELLENT WORK. TYLEARN 😊😊😊🎉😊😊😊
Bro Reddit really be thinking katakuri wins💀
Yet u don’t mention how Enma was literally Zoro’s biggest obstacle that whole fight…
Not only that, Katakuri is smarter than Zoro so he’d immediately know how kings abilities work.
It could go either way imo
You said Wano Luffy is dozen of times stronger than WCI Luffy.
In SBS, Oda said Kuro is as fast as CP9's Soru.
Kiku could hurt Kaido, but Kid did almost no damage.
Is Kiku stronger than Kid?
Kidd was hurting kaido and big mom with shockwaves( unless you’re trying to imply he didn’t do damage to big mom as well )
@@CluelessMonkeyKing
Kid just hit Kaido twice, one in base form and another in dragon form (also took advanage from Luffy's attack). Against big mom he did a great damage actually.
Where's stated that Kid use shockwaves?
@@raicarvalhojuca1791 Wellni was mainly watching the anime so I’m not sure about the manga. But she did say Kidd was using shockwaves. In the fight
I feel this fight is actually closer than folks think.
Because going by the events of Wano, we see Perospero, who should be weaker than Cracker, Smoothie and Katakuri was able to take on Neko at the same time as Jack was taking on Inu.
Granted Neko and Inu were injured but so was Jack, and with how the fight was going, Neko and Inu needed to go into their Sulong forms to defeat them. So they are portrayed to be relative to one another in terms of threat level (Cause Neko and Inu are portrayed as Equals), I'm not saying Perospero equals Jack exactly, but a gap between them isn't massive, and Jack should be above all of the Flying Six, which would mean Perospero is also relative to or above most of the Flying Six (knowing how the Headliners work in Kaido's crew).
So implying there's a massive one shot territory gap between Kaido and Big Mom's crew doesnt really work much portrayel wise. Unless you wanna say Perospero is above Katakuri 😅.
I can agree that King's durability hax could give him the W over Katakuri, but to me this would be mid to high for him.
yep mid-high diff
thank you
“Because going by the events of Wano, we see Perospero, who should be weaker than Cracker, Smoothie and Katakuri was able to take on Neko at the same time as Jack was taking on Inu.”
Putting aside the fact that all 4 of them were wounded to different degrees, which already makes this a questionable scaling meta by itself, when you compare Pero’s and Jack’s showings in their prime conditions it’s not even close.
Peros needed 10 chapters of off panel fighting to just barely beat 2 Sulong Minks, and by his account only after they lost the forms.
Jack on rooftop could oneshot 6 Sulong Minks with a swipe of his trunk, at least one of those being a higher ranked musketeer than Wanda and Carrot.
Put simply, the gap in AP is massive, the only reason Oeros did as well as he did against Neko was because he was wounded to a much worse degree.
@@michaeldorsey9231 I can understand it being questionable, but Oda clearly had smoothie, the 2nd sweet commander, on Big Mom's ship and why would he choose Perospero to still arrive in Wano, and have his main fight be against Inu, and why would he be treated in the same vain as Jack?
You can argue the degree of injuries makes it hard to discern where everyone should be in terms of power but why would Oda use Perospero when people like Snacks and Smoothie could've filled that role.
As for Perospero taking a while to defeat Carrot and Wanda, its off screen, and the time frame in Wano is weird in general, how do we know how long it took Perospero to defeat them. It could've been a long time, and Neko was just too late, or it could've been a short fight that wasnt long at all.
I didnt say Perospero equaled Jack, just that, they arent on completely different tiers of strength.
Also I just feel people pushing Ulti>Katakuri agenda just fail to remember that Perospero should be comparable to or better than a good chunk of the Flying Six.
@@urameshitrev1851its not close king curb stomps
I agree King wins, but those who say Ulti wins haven’t read Wano properly
Also be fr saying Chopper and Nami when they have no wincons lol.
King is stronger but Katakuri is better to me
Truth hurts, i know
@@duncan3998 fr
Great video.
Thoughts on an Ace Vs Boa vid?
Mr Beast v Doflamingo
B-but Tylearned, all yc1 should be relatively one to another, right?
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I think katakuri is a little underrated since in the film red movie he was matching sanji in speed and strength. Still think it goes to king but high diff.
Film Red ain't canon lol
Love where your heads at but that ain’t canon
I would think if a movie is not cannon then it would mean the story is not real not the actual feats though
@@NonchalantKing50 If a movie isn't canon to the main story then the feats shown in it aren't canon either.
@@Generalmituna8079 oh ok👍
Regardless of whoever wins its not "not close" cuz at the end of the day they are both 1 billion Berry men and the right hand man of their (former) respective yonko crews and oda doesn't give a damn abt out powerscaling
I feel bad for katakuri, his whole family and kingdom dies, he gets beaten by a crackhead, and all he wants is a fair fight with a terrorist. He ends up STABBING HIMSELF to make the fight fair. He has every right to become a villain, but he remains a gigachad🗿🗿🗿. I hope he returns in the final saga
How is this still even a debate😂
Katakuri fans still think he is yonko level or close.
Saw one literally deem him "pseudo yonko" and they meant that he can't beat a yonko but yonkos can't beat him. Basically "He is yonko level and every yonko who fights him it will end in a draw"
Can you power scale toothless?
king my goat and bro you has a better design out of the two
5:34 here's your short answer
King mid diffs based on feats and Katakuri has no way to damage king
King wins high to extreme diff.
King wins high-diff assuming Katakuri doesn’t awaken ACoC
This fight would be interesting. I don't think this is one sided. King is not touching Katakuri no matter what. He's too fast and has futuresight. But Katakuri can't damage King.
Flames on king literally landed a hit on Marco. Marco AT marineford not only reacted to akainu, but managed to save Luffy for aokiji and akainu AND react to kizaru. Flames off king honestly makes it worse for this match up. You have to prove that Katakuri can even land a hit on Marco in the first place
@@CluelessMonkeyKing Akainu using future sight dodged Marco's attack. Katakuri would do the same.
@@solenstyle Akainu and katakuri’s future sight are no where near the same level. You would have to prove katakuri is relative to akainu in speed in his base form before talking about future sight. And like I said, marco at marineford pre-timeskip is easily reacting to the admirals.
Meanwhile, king with his flames on( so this isn’t king at his fastest ), can still land a hit on Marco( which is impressive given the fact that marco would obviously grow in speed and is no where near the same level as his pre-timeskip self. Plus we have marco blocking a blast breath from dragon kaido). If king were to not use his flames on katakuri, then Katakuri can damage king but he isn’t going to land a hit. Future sight doesn’t work on characters who are much faster than you.
@@CluelessMonkeyKing All Akainu did was an example of what Katakuri did. In fact, the only reason we know Akainu has future sight is due to Katakuri performing the same feat and attributing it to future sight.
speed? We literally saw him dodge Snakeman attacks. Same thing as Kaido. Except Kaido would turn it off because he likes testing his durability.
@@solenstyle WCI luffy isn’t even near admiral level in terms of peed and until proven, this claim is blatantly false. And kaido was dodging Snakeman luffy on rooftop. Trying to compare kaido’s interaction with snakeman to katakuri’s interaction doesn’t work due to katakuri being powercliffed by rooftop luffy dozens of times over.
We have zoro showing superiority to the initial snakeman luffy. This is the same zoro who not only scared HYBRID kaido but manages to outpace him. Since king more than likely scales or upscales from this zoro, it means king upscales from katakuri. You cant prove that rooftop zoro and katakuri are at the same level or katakuri is superior. And you’ve yet to prove that katakuri can match marco in terms of speed without future sight. Even with future sight, marco is reacting to admirals + yonkos which makes it even worse for this match up. Flames on king is already faster than katakuri. Adding king without his flames just makes it worse since that is king at his fastest.
kat solos the whole straw hats stops at sanji tho
The power cliff is real
I'm picking King, but let me make a long case for my boy Katakuri. Not that he wins, but that he hasn't been outscaled as badly as the argument in this video presented.
1. I think people don't apply enough context about why the Luffy that defeated/drew with Kat got one-shot by Kaido. Luffy was in Gear 4 Bounceman vs Kaido that is slower than his G4 Snakeman form that Luffy needed to defeat Kat. So Kat is faster than what Luffy was in Kuri. And more importantly, Luffy was freaking the fuck out against Kaido, because he just thought that his crew died. Not only could he not use future sight, he wasn't even thinking straight and was rushing Kaido like an idiot. If he was clear headed in his faster form(Snakeman) he preforms much better against base Kaido in Kuri. In my opinion G4 Snakeman with future sight dodges Kaido Thunder Bagua in Kuri. And by extension so would Katakuri. So the deal about base Luffy outscaling his G4 form from WCI/Wano act 1, because he dodged the first base Kaido's Thunder Bagua on the rooftop was mostly because this time he wasn't freaking out and actually used future sight. And he still got scratched in base with future sight. If Luffy used G4 Snakeman there as well Kaido wouldn't have been able to even scratch him. So he wouldn't get full speed future sight Kat as well.
2. Recently the official colorings for the manga came out and showed that Marco was able to make flame-on King bleed with his shockwaves. And so did a pre-ACoC Zoro, although the damage wasn't severe just like with Marco's shockvawes. This shows that flame-on King can get damaged by non-ACoC attacks. Which makes sense because so can Kaido. We know that Ryou attacks from Luffy at the start of Roofpiece hurt Kaido. Just not to a huge degree(still shallow). We know Katakuri's Armament Haki is not basic. He even mentions that there are levels to even Armament Haki, so he is aware of higher levels of it. We see him constantly overpower Luffy's armament almost like he is doing internal damage, making Luffy's hands throb. Or maybe it's because he shapes his Mochi fists to be more blocky which makes his armament better. Whatever the case, I think he might be able to hurt King in flame-on like Marco. So the argument of him being completely ineffective against flame-on King isn't 100% guaranteed.
3. When it comes to speed, once again I don't think base Luffy outscaled his Kuri G4 due to the reasons in my first point. Luffy did go through training in Udon, but it was mostly focused on Ryou, which is just a way to get past durability. So I don't think that rooftop pre-ACoC Snakeman is a lot faster than WCI Snakeman. A bit, but not a lot. Rooftop Zoro isn't as fast as pre-ACoC Snakeman Luffy in my opinion. Overall, Luffy is still a superior fighter to Zoro on the rooftop and is still faster at top speed(Snakeman). The only exception would be the moment Zoro used ACoC with Ashura. But we know that Zoro wasn't controlling his ACoC at the beginning of the King fight. So he was fighting King without ACoC + Enma Haki drain and was in my opinion slower than non-ACoC Snakeman Luffy and by extension full power/speed Katakuri. He only started to outspeed and overpower King when he once again took control of his ACoC(we know ACoC isn't just a AP buff, but seemingly also a speed and durability buff). So I don't think the speed difference between King and Katakuri is that big. I think Katakuri is definitely faster than flames-on King. Even if he isn't faster than flames-off King, he has future sight which would help him make up for the speed difference and not just get blitzed. And potentially land a blow on flame-off King which would hurt.
If you read this thank you, if not have a good day. And yes, I had time to yap like this.
the only sane person here
Wanna give some push back on the Snakeman points;
1) the speed difference between Snakeman and Boundman is never really quantified, and based on later showings (ie Snakeman being blitzed by future sight Kaido vs Boundman still being able to tag him) the actual difference in speed would be negligible at best.
2) assuming that Luffy absolutely didn’t have his Future Sight in Kuri (it’s more probable he didn’t have it but never outright confirmed, as it’s not impossible to use observation Haki when emotions are running high), I still doubt him using it in Kuri would have allowed him to dodge Kaido. Luffy only just got his future sight, and based on his showings against Kat it only seems to marginally increase his reaction speed (ie, Luffy could dodge more of Kat’s hits, but was still being tagged numerous times by Kat even after getting FS).
‘But for Kat and Kaido using FS gives them a huge speed buff’
That doesn’t mean the same would apply for Luffy, his FS doesn’t need to be as proficient as either of theirs, just like how Marguerite doesn’t scale to Vergo just because both can use basic armament Haki.
in terms of speed king has more going for him remember hes a lunarian stats boost then hes a ancient zoan that is known for its speed he can also fly look at sanji his flight increase his speed ten fold and king can fly katakuri cant
I would like King extreme diff katakuri or maybe high diff
Mf is 50 and still hasnt mastered conqueror haki
Dawg gets washed by King unfortunately (Even tho I like Kata more)
He doesn't even have ryuo
Neither has King or most of the One Piece population 🤦♂️
@@Cipher_Paul you god damn idiot he cant damage king without it
@@Cipher_Paul you god damn fool he cant beat King without it
@@Kimoxdo and King can't hit Katakuri either. Looks like it's a draw.
king be munching on mochi
You may be right but I will simply just ignore the truth
Cause it really hurts, huh?
here is the scaling king beats black maria and black maria out scales katakuri
Ong bro this was never a debate to begin with, King literally destroys Katakuri low diff he got powercliffed the moment Post-WCI Luffy got one shot by Kaido. Get this man pass Queen first 😂😂😂
Get him past jack and/or the tobi roppo first
kat might even lose to who's who
@@zaidnava7200Nah, Who's Who would struggle to hit him because of the future sight.
@@Thatonedude9876 he is much past that. Base Cat Viper was able to slam Jack and that same Cat Viper lost to Perospero. Although, Cat Viper was wounded but so was Perospero. Perespero is leagues behind Katakuri also the Tobiropo don't have enough speed stats to even hit Katakuri. I will admit King does slam Katakuri but you ppl think Jack would beat him. Pathetic.
“Base Cat Viper was able to slam Jack and that same Cat Viper lost to Perospero. ”
Base Neko wasn’t able to put Jack down for 10 days on Zou (in spite of Neko getting rest periods), and it took Sulong Neko and Inu together to actually put down Jack.
Neko was also significantly more wounded/battle damaged than Peros by the time of their altercation, and he had just lost his Sulong when Peros was getting the upper hand (as seen with Carrot in Whole Cake coming out of Sulong tires the user).
And to cap this off, when you compare Peros and Jack’s feats in their prime conditions, Peros barely beat 2 Sulong Minks over the course of 10 chapters off panel, and only after they lost their Sulong; Jack was swiping aside at least 6 Sulong Minks and rendering them unconscious in one hit on the roof. Simply put, Peros does not scale to Jack.
Woah chopper and nami are not beating katakuri
Sanji victims 🥱
To who is meat riding katakuri he connected 100+ attack to luffy but fodder donut got his ass handed by luffy with just 11 attack and this hinata durability katakuri got his ass knocked by oven,whole cake sanji one shoted oven without any haki 😂💀
Haki user get stronger each day , Katakuri mid high diff.
Katakuri isnt that weak lol he's like YC1 level, people forget Luffy didnt get that much stronger Post Udon Pre ACoC lol
Still, King took few advanced Haoshoku hits from Zoro, without his flames on.
And keep in mind, that Zoro without Adv. Haoshoku could damage Kaido.
Meanwhile Katakuri had WCI Luffy as his personal punching bag for quite a time, and he still didn't took him down.
@@kfc-employee1380 Kat was mentally nerfed + physically nerfed + Luffy went down before him
@@DrakoNotDraco
1. How Katakuri was mentally nerfed? Like, Luffy made a lot of reasons for Katakuri to not go easy on me the longer fight went. He literally wanted to take down Luffy before he would match his own future sight.
2. Physically? He stabbed himself. That's one attack. Besides, it was only fair as he managed to land hit on Luffy because of Flampe.
3. Sure he got up first.
Now put Post-Katakuri FRESH Luffy against Katakuri again. It's clear, once Luffy learned Advanced Kenbunshoku, and was getting better at it, he surpassed Katakuri. He wouldn't take that much pointless hits.
Post-Katakuri Luffy is still 1st commander level as Katakuri himself. But he surpassed him in battle and at the end of WCI, he was stronger.
Luffy who was at worse condition matched him evenly while he was just training his Adv. Kenbunshoku through the fight.
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