#fireemblem #fireemblemengage #feengage In this video I outline a viable Sandstorm build in Maddening Mode as well as show how it works and go over which weapons work well with it.
My favourite character. I’m currently at like chapter 13-14 and fell in love with her… so she already has a +5 Brave Lance with Hector’s Eye of the Storm. I call it the ‘Run at me, bitch’ build.
I remember putting her against an armored unit. She was projected to do zero damage to it. Next think you know, she ends up one rounding it thanks to Sandstorm.
I appreciate a Timerra build. Her design is among my favorites, but when I recruited her, I couldn't justify using her over any of the units already on my main squad.
I run her with Ike and she's a killing machine on enemy turns. Since her dex is so high, running a crit spear on her on enemy turns is great. I play on maddening. Then on my turn I switch to brave to do what you've shown. She's basically a tank that deals very well with fast units because her dex is so high she will rarely miss
One fun tech I noted, since it procs on attacks, things that do multiple attacks can proc it. I've given her Leifs emblem and she can proc it multiple times with the engage skill. It's not optimal... But someone else has Sigurd anyway.
@@learnpolishangel2194 the dlc gives you a bunch of items and weapons and gives you money and bond points. As far as emblem rings it gives you soren, hector, and camilla.
Here is how I built Timerra. TL;DR at bottom Growths and bases for reference: Name HP Str Mag Dex Spd Def Res Lck Bld Timerra 55 25 25 45 45 30 30 30 10 Timerra 35 14 6 17 18 16 8 10 5 4 First the bad. Low STR growth AND base, Low BLD, Low MOV, magic growth on physical class with no good option to use the magic stat. Her base STR is really bad and on fixed growths, it doesnt get much better. Timerra joins with 14 STR at lv 18 in the games 2nd act. Amber joins in the 1st act with 15 STRat level 11. So she was never going to be one of my army's power units but I wanted to use her anyways, but not by feeding her all the Skill Books and optimizing sandstorm because I was already doing that with Celine and Ignis (thats a fun build). I gave her the seraph robe from her join chapter as her base hp is less than what I like from a speedy tank, then reclassed her into Martial Master and equipped her with Lucina until after you get Eirika. As for skills, I gave her Canter then eventually Canter+ and Advance from Roy. Staff utility lets her earn exp and SP reliably and quickly, since as previously stated she doesn't join as a power unit. I chose Martial Master specifically because I needed someone who could use A rank staves (entrap and fortify), and I opted to not use Hortensia this go around. Defensively with Lucina, she has a lot of tools at her disposal. She can equip shielding art to tank melee enemies on some avoid terrain. Her equipment tended to look like Shielding Art, Steel/Silver art forged up, then 3 staves. Chain guard is kinda meh, but 100% proc rate Dual Guard from Lucina is so nice to have. Obstruct, restore, freeze, and fracture are my most used utility staves, I found myself using obstruct just to proc canter when I needed to move to set up for a dance but there was nothing to heal/attack. Her personal gives -5 crit in a 2 tile aura, which is also really nice in the late game when enemies have capped dex. Offensively with Eirika, she has equal STR and MAG growth which is good with Arts since they use the the avg of str and mag when calculating atk. Arts scale pretty well in the forge and synergize well with Alear's personal skill. Switching to martial monk meant giving up 2 range weapons, so I gave Advance from Roy and Canter+ from Sigurd. This let me do some neat dives into wolf knight packs in the late game. With Eirika's Lunar Brace, she ignores 20-30% of the enemies defense, or if the target is a squishy mage/thief use ephraim's Bravery to do a flat +3-5 extra damage which gets applied twice because most arts are brave weapons. Or engage to have both. Ephraim's Solar brace is useful too if you're into using chain guards and and being able to heal yourself to full the turn after. Another important thing she did was use fracture on Wyrms so they could be safely nuked down by more powerful units. TL;DR Changed to Martial Monk and paired with Lucina when I needed 100% dual guards or Eirika when I needed an extra offensive unit. Staff utility is OP. Eirika + brave weapons are pretty good.
timerra is a crazy unit. She's fast, has good str and defense, and is just a one man demolition team with Ike. It's sad that her advance class is locked on lances but hey, we can never have it all. I'm definitely trying this. Never thought I'd ever use build+ in this game, now it makes sense.
@@ajbickford312 Roy is pretty nice too she gets weapon advantage against the full triangle (Binding Blade,Lancereaver,Lances) and the Binding Blade + Rise Above gives her even more def ontop of the innate +6 atk Roy already provides
Hector give flat strength and defense and increases her weapon wheel, you could just inherit the dex from lucina and call it a day I love timerra she's so busted now I went out of way to level her
Not only that, but her build problem that she has just turns into MORE damage on enemy phase with Hector, it almost feels like he was meant for her, especially since she has decent mag for a melee unit so she can use runesword.
A brave probability manipulation build. Classic. Some feedback though: Lyn's Speed + line has the same cost as Lief's Build + line, except +1 and +2 also exist. Since speed is always as good (weapon weight is higher than build) or better (build is as high or higher than weapon weight.) than build, that would be the better skill in all cases as long as Lyn is available, which if you have Timera, she is. The only small drawback would be you'd need to spend some bond points in the arena. As a number cruncher, and not a fan of Dex as a whole, I figured I'd see just how much that dex +4 is doing for you. It gives a natural Hit +8 and Crit +2, just by virtue of being dex. But I'll create an activation rate table. P is the probability of sandstorm activating. While quad striking, 0 activations is 1-(1-P)^4. 1 activation is 4*(P*(1-P)^3) 2 activations is 6*(P^2*(1-P)^2), 3 is 4*(P^3*(1-P)) 4 is P^4. If you've taken stats, you may recognize this as a combination problem. I then realized it would be more useful to give data for "will activate at least this many times" after realizing the initial data could appear misleading. The odds of exactly 1 activation was basically the same, which made Dex seem useless, but really, if a "would activate once" turns into "activates twice" that's actually still something of interest, reflected more accurately below. Solving for 26 natural dex, 30 with the skill gives: Rate 0+ 1+ 2+ 3+ 4 26% 100.0% 70.0% 27.9% 5.7% 0.5% 30% 100.0% 76.0% 34.8% 8.4% 0.8% In your particular case, each activation increases total damage by 18. (25Def)*1.5-(19Str), rounded down. Equivalent to a crit if base damage is 9, more if it's lower, less if it's higher. The average damage increase caused by sandstorm rises from 18.7 without Dex+4 to 21.6, or +3 average damage, with Dex+4. Ignoring accuracy and crit rates. You could get this damage boost with Str+1, or Def+3 which would also help you take less damage. But if you really want to ramp up the damage output, Wrath is the way to go. Crits will deal as much damage as sandstorm if you're doing 9 damage or more. Your activation rate will match Dex's increase if you've taken at least 4 damage, and surpass it by up to 26 points if you've taken at least 30 damage. Overall, I think this family of builds are viable, but speed is better than build, and despite this being the best use of Dex+, it's still not a good option. Build+ is only useful during the 3 chapters where you have Lief but not Lyn. Dex+ is a skill that is never worth investing in on any build. If you're looking to synergize, Def+ and Wrath are good choices. Alacrity would also work nicely if you can get a major speed boost, but generally, the best way to run this build would be to pair with Lyn since she gives you Speedtaker and higher levels of Alacrity, which are very expensive.
I was iffy on the dex increase because of how unreasonably expensive it is in terms of SP. Speed is the way to go instead of BLD unfortunately. There should be more downsides of using heavier weapons to make BLD matter more IMO. Sandstorm CAN crit though, so you get the best of both worlds. Currently my Timera on CH20 sits at: 21 Str 36 Dex 32 Speed 32 Def 16 Luck I want to try to get her to 40-50 Dex by endgame so I am constantly sandstorming off of brave lance. Wrath/Def build is interesting
@@IcedCoffeeGaming Yeah, having crit and sandstorm together with the brave weapon gets you good odds of something happening. Sounds like you'll usually have around 20% crit, 36% sandstorm, giving each hit a roughly 50% chance of doing one or both of those things. I'm running something of a cousin set myself on Rosado. Speed+4, Alacrity++, Lief as the emblem to get an extra 4 build. His primary weapon is a killer axe, and he tends to have about a 65% crit rate. So if he can double, he'll double crit around 45%, single crit about 45%, and not crit about 10%, all before the counterattack. The sandstorm build definitely does more total damage. But the Alacrity build loads the damage more effectively up front to hopefully finish things fast. Of course, Rosado doesn't have any nice personal ability helping things out. Just good stats and movement. The set would synergize better with Timerra, or another character with an activation ability. But Rosado is just so much cuter
I've been using her with eirika, but this new Hector rings comes with massive Def, and vantage, however most of his skills work better with axes and swords. Might try it though.
I'm currently using her with 3H ring and a Killer Lance. I find that the higher her crit rate the more likely she is to proc sandstorm. In my next playthrough I plan on using her with Tiki. Tiki gives her 5 def via skill and when engaged plus 5 to every stat. For skills dex 5 ofc and maybe pair up or Def 5
I’m planning on trying her with the Marth emblem since that gives her Str, Dex, Spd and an extra attack that might proc Sandstorm. I’d like to see Sandstorm procs on Lodestar Rush too. I’m hoping it turns her into more of an evasion tank :)
@@jonunciate7018 havent tried it with sandstorm for lodestar but luna procs with astra storm, and sandstorm also procs with great aether and she basically just deletes a blob of enemies if u pair her with ike. so i am assuming this is also the same case.
S chrome bond ring for plus 5% trigger rate if you are using siguard and lyn on someone else. That is a free 5 dex for her towards the skill plus the other stats he gives.
I used the same on maddening but with leif to get build directly from him, since we don't get much sp and I already had def +3 (I find it more valuable than dex at least on maddening) and dual assist. Once you get leif back and the brave lance she really become worth the slot although still rng dependant for damage. Mid game I think I used killer lance with lyn engraving (perfect at that time since weight -2 when you have low build and more crit/hit on a killer weapon) and def +3/dex +3, it was pretty good since dex helps with both crits and sandstorm and def works both offensively and defensively. She was also fine without any emblem which is really valuable for the mid game. Definitely one of my fav units.
@@IcedCoffeeGaming I think the engraving I had on it lowered weight + might and increased crit so it actually didn't have a penalty for me even without extra build iirc.
Timerra is one of my best characters! I’m running her with ike + canter + Defense 4 for her sandstorm ability. I’m considering swapping canter for build so I don’t lose speed when using some of the lances
I still like ike the most on her, she gets so many kills in enemy phase its insane, sometimes she gets too many kills and dies. You should try ike+ alfred, the golden lotus spam is insane on him combined with laguz friend.
Definitely cool. I'll be trying Marth on her instead because of Break Defenses and Divine Speed. There's also Lodestar Rush, hahaha, which has a chance to proc 8 times. Coupled with the passive dex str and spd boost I think it's her best ring. If it wasn't only available for 5 chapters, that is. *sigh*
While skills like Sandstorm are great, I personally don't like relying on those kinds of skills because the activation rate is not consistent. Like I can't always rely on Alcryst to proc Luna because there will always be the chance of him not activating it even with his high Dex.
So I did a spot of checking on how to get a high dex and high def timerra. And its surprisingly normal. As a sentinel she has 20 def, 10 dex. And I looked. Short of going armour like great knight or general (u don't want that as they have 0 speed growth which you need for timerra's doubles)... ur def growth doesn't actually get that much better. So I say max 20 her as sentinel. to maximise her 30 personal def growth while still the 10 dex is compensated by her personal 45 dex growth. 2nd class you have to master class into cupido or picket. I say however change into halberdier with a second seal. Either after maxing out picket (if you want to go physical pure), or cupido (to give her magic) Or immediately after master seal you use second seal. You'll get dex growth but not much defense with cupido. Why halberdier? 15 str (same as picket), 5 mag (same as cupido), 20 dex, 15 def. Why raise mag or use a magic spear? Sand storm deals damage based off 150 off your def. But as a magic attack. that goes into the enemy's res. So not even armoured units are a threat. Raise mag for when sand storm doesn't proc and you'll still do decent dmg. But if it does. Death to any high def low res units you might face. Who happen to like attacking timerra. By the time you become a finalised picket. Once that reaches lvl 20. Your def should catch up with your speed and dex and you'll reinforce your str. But even at lvl 1 picket at this point. You're ready to just solo maps.
So a couple things here: 1) Maxing Sentinel raises her internal level, meaning Picket levels will take longer. Picket's stat growths are strictly better than Sentinel, so there's really not much point in leveling her to 20 as a sentinel. 2) Cupido is Fogado's exclusive class. Timerra can't use it. 3) Class skills are locked to the class you're using. If she's a Halberdier, she can't use Sandstorm. You get Pincer Attack instead. 4) The growth difference between Picket and Halberdier is -5 Mag, -10 Dex, +5 Def, and +5 Bld. That means if you level Halberdier 20 times instead of Picket, you get +1 Mag, +2 Dex, -1 Def, and -1 Bld. If you're trying to trying to make a build around maxing Dex and Def to use Sandstorm, how much time are you going to spend in a class that is incapable of using Sandstorm, for a very minimal benefit on triggering chance?
If you think the stock Dex is fine, and want more bang for your buck, run her with Ike. Though now that Hector is out, we need to run more experiments. But for vanilla Ike is the way to go. My Timerra is a walking block of Tungsten, that hits like a freight train.
I find brave weapons very underwhelming honestly. Yea again enemies with low defense slow enemies they can shred but in most cases they tend to just do a double hit with lower might. They are very expensive to upgrade, require A rank, are very heavy with low might. Idk I just have not found them to be that good. Maybe on like a slow character with very high str so they can double a lot more it would be worth. I find that Tamarra is actually better with Ike then Sigurd in the endgame because she is not quite tanky enough without him and is not fast enough to dodge. So she need the extra def from Ike and that extra 12 def you get when he maxed out in battle makes her sandstorm that much stronger. Just give her pair up so she cant get chain attacked and put her on the front line with Ike and she is very strong.
On my hard playthrough I gave her killing lance but didn't invest in her much. It was pretty amusing when the combat forecast showed 0 damage but then both sandstorm and a critical trigger would yeild 90 damage. It's pretty funny. I'm not sure if she's S teir for maddening but she's definitely good.
I'd say A tier, only because you do have to focus on her for a while to get her caught up to the rest of the team. I'd say the only true S their maddening units are Kagetsu, Alcryst, and Merrin, since they don't have the problem of being weak when joining, have good personals, and don't fall off.
I was super disappointed with Timmera when I got her. After half of the game, the last lord I get is another lance user? After I already have maybe 10? And not only was she a lance user, but she was also infantry when all the others were mounted. Ended up reclassing her into a wolf knight with Eirika and she ended up destroying everything. But this gives me hope for an infantry lance Timmera haha
I don't understand how to make this build work. I want to use Timerra, I'm on chapter 16, I upgraded her to picket and she's been on my team since I got her. I struggle getting kills with her and she dies in like one hit from enemies. I end up keeping her in back because otherwise she gets killed instantly. Other units haven't had this issue I don't understand why this isn't working for me.
Hmm, are you sure that boosting dex is actually the best for her? I have the feeling that if you want to do a sandstorm build, you'd profit more by boosting her defense. Yes, sandstorm would be less consistent, but it would hit much harder.
I’m a bit confused on how sandstorm works. I just unlocked it and I realize how much more damage she does that’s not showing when she’s confronting an enemy. Is it based on her defense or the enemy’s like Erika’s?
They basically do the same thing you could run speed+3. I was thinking in terms of reducing the brave weight but increasing speed offsets the weight and also increases AVO so that may be an optimization :). However if current speed translates to current avoid, it would be functionally the same but with upside on lighter weapons.
My favourite character. I’m currently at like chapter 13-14 and fell in love with her… so she already has a +5 Brave Lance with Hector’s Eye of the Storm. I call it the ‘Run at me, bitch’ build.
I remember putting her against an armored unit. She was projected to do zero damage to it. Next think you know, she ends up one rounding it thanks to Sandstorm.
I appreciate a Timerra build. Her design is among my favorites, but when I recruited her, I couldn't justify using her over any of the units already on my main squad.
I run her with Ike and she's a killing machine on enemy turns. Since her dex is so high, running a crit spear on her on enemy turns is great. I play on maddening.
Then on my turn I switch to brave to do what you've shown.
She's basically a tank that deals very well with fast units because her dex is so high she will rarely miss
One fun tech I noted, since it procs on attacks, things that do multiple attacks can proc it. I've given her Leifs emblem and she can proc it multiple times with the engage skill. It's not optimal... But someone else has Sigurd anyway.
With hector's axe she's effective against armored and cavalry, anything else dies anyways hector made her literally perfect
Can you tell me what Wave 2 gives? I have the DLC, but haven't gotten done the paralogues for it yet lol. Any other good combos?
@@learnpolishangel2194 hector, sorrin and the big boob silf from revelations lol
@@learnpolishangel2194 the dlc gives you a bunch of items and weapons and gives you money and bond points. As far as emblem rings it gives you soren, hector, and camilla.
@@jamalstar4243 yeah and Camilla is kinda whatever in my experience so I put her on Alear for all the dragon veins. But maybe I’m missing something
@@rhettmitchell turning a mage knight into a 10 move flyer for a few turns is kinda busted with Camilla.
Here is how I built Timerra. TL;DR at bottom
Growths and bases for reference:
Name HP Str Mag Dex Spd Def Res Lck Bld
Timerra 55 25 25 45 45 30 30 30 10
Timerra 35 14 6 17 18 16 8 10 5 4
First the bad. Low STR growth AND base, Low BLD, Low MOV, magic growth on physical class with no good option to use the magic stat. Her base STR is really bad and on fixed growths, it doesnt get much better. Timerra joins with 14 STR at lv 18 in the games 2nd act. Amber joins in the 1st act with 15 STRat level 11. So she was never going to be one of my army's power units but I wanted to use her anyways, but not by feeding her all the Skill Books and optimizing sandstorm because I was already doing that with Celine and Ignis (thats a fun build).
I gave her the seraph robe from her join chapter as her base hp is less than what I like from a speedy tank, then reclassed her into Martial Master and equipped her with Lucina until after you get Eirika. As for skills, I gave her Canter then eventually Canter+ and Advance from Roy. Staff utility lets her earn exp and SP reliably and quickly, since as previously stated she doesn't join as a power unit. I chose Martial Master specifically because I needed someone who could use A rank staves (entrap and fortify), and I opted to not use Hortensia this go around.
Defensively with Lucina, she has a lot of tools at her disposal. She can equip shielding art to tank melee enemies on some avoid terrain. Her equipment tended to look like Shielding Art, Steel/Silver art forged up, then 3 staves. Chain guard is kinda meh, but 100% proc rate Dual Guard from Lucina is so nice to have. Obstruct, restore, freeze, and fracture are my most used utility staves, I found myself using obstruct just to proc canter when I needed to move to set up for a dance but there was nothing to heal/attack. Her personal gives -5 crit in a 2 tile aura, which is also really nice in the late game when enemies have capped dex.
Offensively with Eirika, she has equal STR and MAG growth which is good with Arts since they use the the avg of str and mag when calculating atk. Arts scale pretty well in the forge and synergize well with Alear's personal skill. Switching to martial monk meant giving up 2 range weapons, so I gave Advance from Roy and Canter+ from Sigurd. This let me do some neat dives into wolf knight packs in the late game. With Eirika's Lunar Brace, she ignores 20-30% of the enemies defense, or if the target is a squishy mage/thief use ephraim's Bravery to do a flat +3-5 extra damage which gets applied twice because most arts are brave weapons. Or engage to have both. Ephraim's Solar brace is useful too if you're into using chain guards and and being able to heal yourself to full the turn after. Another important thing she did was use fracture on Wyrms so they could be safely nuked down by more powerful units.
TL;DR
Changed to Martial Monk and paired with Lucina when I needed 100% dual guards or Eirika when I needed an extra offensive unit.
Staff utility is OP.
Eirika + brave weapons are pretty good.
I ran timerra + edelgard + speed taker in my first maddening play through and she basically crushed every enemy.
Sandstorm is absolutely my favourite skill in this game
timerra is a crazy unit. She's fast, has good str and defense, and is just a one man demolition team with Ike. It's sad that her advance class is locked on lances but hey, we can never have it all. I'm definitely trying this. Never thought I'd ever use build+ in this game, now it makes sense.
You don't like lances?
@@IcedCoffeeGaming I do. I just wanna see Picket wielding other weapons like an axe maybe, for the fun of it.
That’s exactly why I slapped Ike on her, it’s been incredible lmfao
@@ajbickford312 Roy is pretty nice too she gets weapon advantage against the full triangle
(Binding Blade,Lancereaver,Lances) and the Binding Blade + Rise Above gives her even more def ontop of the innate +6 atk Roy already provides
Hector give flat strength and defense and increases her weapon wheel, you could just inherit the dex from lucina and call it a day I love timerra she's so busted now I went out of way to level her
Not only that, but her build problem that she has just turns into MORE damage on enemy phase with Hector, it almost feels like he was meant for her, especially since she has decent mag for a melee unit so she can use runesword.
A brave probability manipulation build. Classic.
Some feedback though:
Lyn's Speed + line has the same cost as Lief's Build + line, except +1 and +2 also exist. Since speed is always as good (weapon weight is higher than build) or better (build is as high or higher than weapon weight.) than build, that would be the better skill in all cases as long as Lyn is available, which if you have Timera, she is. The only small drawback would be you'd need to spend some bond points in the arena.
As a number cruncher, and not a fan of Dex as a whole, I figured I'd see just how much that dex +4 is doing for you. It gives a natural Hit +8 and Crit +2, just by virtue of being dex. But I'll create an activation rate table. P is the probability of sandstorm activating. While quad striking, 0 activations is 1-(1-P)^4. 1 activation is 4*(P*(1-P)^3) 2 activations is 6*(P^2*(1-P)^2), 3 is 4*(P^3*(1-P)) 4 is P^4. If you've taken stats, you may recognize this as a combination problem.
I then realized it would be more useful to give data for "will activate at least this many times" after realizing the initial data could appear misleading. The odds of exactly 1 activation was basically the same, which made Dex seem useless, but really, if a "would activate once" turns into "activates twice" that's actually still something of interest, reflected more accurately below.
Solving for 26 natural dex, 30 with the skill gives:
Rate 0+ 1+ 2+ 3+ 4
26% 100.0% 70.0% 27.9% 5.7% 0.5%
30% 100.0% 76.0% 34.8% 8.4% 0.8%
In your particular case, each activation increases total damage by 18. (25Def)*1.5-(19Str), rounded down. Equivalent to a crit if base damage is 9, more if it's lower, less if it's higher.
The average damage increase caused by sandstorm rises from 18.7 without Dex+4 to 21.6, or +3 average damage, with Dex+4. Ignoring accuracy and crit rates. You could get this damage boost with Str+1, or Def+3 which would also help you take less damage. But if you really want to ramp up the damage output, Wrath is the way to go. Crits will deal as much damage as sandstorm if you're doing 9 damage or more. Your activation rate will match Dex's increase if you've taken at least 4 damage, and surpass it by up to 26 points if you've taken at least 30 damage.
Overall, I think this family of builds are viable, but speed is better than build, and despite this being the best use of Dex+, it's still not a good option. Build+ is only useful during the 3 chapters where you have Lief but not Lyn. Dex+ is a skill that is never worth investing in on any build. If you're looking to synergize, Def+ and Wrath are good choices. Alacrity would also work nicely if you can get a major speed boost, but generally, the best way to run this build would be to pair with Lyn since she gives you Speedtaker and higher levels of Alacrity, which are very expensive.
I was iffy on the dex increase because of how unreasonably expensive it is in terms of SP. Speed is the way to go instead of BLD unfortunately. There should be more downsides of using heavier weapons to make BLD matter more IMO.
Sandstorm CAN crit though, so you get the best of both worlds. Currently my Timera on CH20 sits at:
21 Str
36 Dex
32 Speed
32 Def
16 Luck
I want to try to get her to 40-50 Dex by endgame so I am constantly sandstorming off of brave lance. Wrath/Def build is interesting
@@IcedCoffeeGaming Yeah, having crit and sandstorm together with the brave weapon gets you good odds of something happening. Sounds like you'll usually have around 20% crit, 36% sandstorm, giving each hit a roughly 50% chance of doing one or both of those things.
I'm running something of a cousin set myself on Rosado. Speed+4, Alacrity++, Lief as the emblem to get an extra 4 build. His primary weapon is a killer axe, and he tends to have about a 65% crit rate.
So if he can double, he'll double crit around 45%, single crit about 45%, and not crit about 10%, all before the counterattack.
The sandstorm build definitely does more total damage. But the Alacrity build loads the damage more effectively up front to hopefully finish things fast.
Of course, Rosado doesn't have any nice personal ability helping things out. Just good stats and movement.
The set would synergize better with Timerra, or another character with an activation ability.
But Rosado is just so much cuter
I've been using her with eirika, but this new Hector rings comes with massive Def, and vantage, however most of his skills work better with axes and swords. Might try it though.
I didn't know she was good, I didn't really use her for my first playthrough but on my next one I'm gonna use her along with anna
I'm currently using her with 3H ring and a Killer Lance. I find that the higher her crit rate the more likely she is to proc sandstorm. In my next playthrough I plan on using her with Tiki. Tiki gives her 5 def via skill and when engaged plus 5 to every stat. For skills dex 5 ofc and maybe pair up or Def 5
I’m planning on trying her with the Marth emblem since that gives her Str, Dex, Spd and an extra attack that might proc Sandstorm. I’d like to see Sandstorm procs on Lodestar Rush too. I’m hoping it turns her into more of an evasion tank :)
Marth is great for stats, a lot of potential ring choices for this build :)
I don't think skills proc off emblem attacks. Would be pretty nuts tho.
@@jonunciate7018 iirc luna can procs on astral rain
@@andylevant6247 that's terrifying
@@jonunciate7018 havent tried it with sandstorm for lodestar but luna procs with astra storm, and sandstorm also procs with great aether and she basically just deletes a blob of enemies if u pair her with ike. so i am assuming this is also the same case.
S chrome bond ring for plus 5% trigger rate if you are using siguard and lyn on someone else. That is a free 5 dex for her towards the skill plus the other stats he gives.
100%, I used that before I got Sigurd back. +5% proc rate and +1 dex so you get +6 on it, huge upside for a somewhat easy ring to make
I used the same on maddening but with leif to get build directly from him, since we don't get much sp and I already had def +3 (I find it more valuable than dex at least on maddening) and dual assist. Once you get leif back and the brave lance she really become worth the slot although still rng dependant for damage. Mid game I think I used killer lance with lyn engraving (perfect at that time since weight -2 when you have low build and more crit/hit on a killer weapon) and def +3/dex +3, it was pretty good since dex helps with both crits and sandstorm and def works both offensively and defensively. She was also fine without any emblem which is really valuable for the mid game. Definitely one of my fav units.
now update this to use emblem hector(if the person has dlc) quick reposit and heavy attack just makes this way better
For finalise builds. End game. Replace Dex plus for alacrity. So she can safely kill without dying B4 she gets her 2nd attack
Killer is a much more fun replacement for the steel lance - love seeing the huge numbers
Doesn't it have higher weight though?
@@IcedCoffeeGaming I think the engraving I had on it lowered weight + might and increased crit so it actually didn't have a penalty for me even without extra build iirc.
@@IcedCoffeeGaming Without refines killer is actually 1 less weight than steel, but steel's goes down with refines and killer's doesnt
Timerra is one of my best characters! I’m running her with ike + canter + Defense 4 for her sandstorm ability. I’m considering swapping canter for build so I don’t lose speed when using some of the lances
+Build is a trap, take +speed instead. It's strictly better, and it's the same cost, so unless you need both, there's no reason to take build.
Timerra proccing sandstorm on ikes aether gets crazy
I still like ike the most on her, she gets so many kills in enemy phase its insane, sometimes she gets too many kills and dies. You should try ike+ alfred, the golden lotus spam is insane on him combined with laguz friend.
I'll keep this in mind for 2nd playthrough I felt I had to many lance users so Tamara got dropped on my run atm
Definitely cool. I'll be trying Marth on her instead because of Break Defenses and Divine Speed. There's also Lodestar Rush, hahaha, which has a chance to proc 8 times. Coupled with the passive dex str and spd boost I think it's her best ring.
If it wasn't only available for 5 chapters, that is. *sigh*
Maybe I'll save paralogues just to see her tear shit up once I get Marth back...
With Fell Xenologue out, she has more chapters to absolutely wreck with Marth!
While skills like Sandstorm are great, I personally don't like relying on those kinds of skills because the activation rate is not consistent. Like I can't always rely on Alcryst to proc Luna because there will always be the chance of him not activating it even with his high Dex.
So I did a spot of checking on how to get a high dex and high def timerra. And its surprisingly normal.
As a sentinel she has 20 def, 10 dex. And I looked. Short of going armour like great knight or general (u don't want that as they have 0 speed growth which you need for timerra's doubles)... ur def growth doesn't actually get that much better. So I say max 20 her as sentinel. to maximise her 30 personal def growth while still the 10 dex is compensated by her personal 45 dex growth.
2nd class you have to master class into cupido or picket. I say however change into halberdier with a second seal. Either after maxing out picket (if you want to go physical pure), or cupido (to give her magic) Or immediately after master seal you use second seal. You'll get dex growth but not much defense with cupido.
Why halberdier? 15 str (same as picket), 5 mag (same as cupido), 20 dex, 15 def. Why raise mag or use a magic spear? Sand storm deals damage based off 150 off your def. But as a magic attack. that goes into the enemy's res. So not even armoured units are a threat. Raise mag for when sand storm doesn't proc and you'll still do decent dmg. But if it does. Death to any high def low res units you might face. Who happen to like attacking timerra.
By the time you become a finalised picket. Once that reaches lvl 20. Your def should catch up with your speed and dex and you'll reinforce your str. But even at lvl 1 picket at this point. You're ready to just solo maps.
So a couple things here:
1) Maxing Sentinel raises her internal level, meaning Picket levels will take longer. Picket's stat growths are strictly better than Sentinel, so there's really not much point in leveling her to 20 as a sentinel.
2) Cupido is Fogado's exclusive class. Timerra can't use it.
3) Class skills are locked to the class you're using. If she's a Halberdier, she can't use Sandstorm. You get Pincer Attack instead.
4) The growth difference between Picket and Halberdier is -5 Mag, -10 Dex, +5 Def, and +5 Bld. That means if you level Halberdier 20 times instead of Picket, you get +1 Mag, +2 Dex, -1 Def, and -1 Bld. If you're trying to trying to make a build around maxing Dex and Def to use Sandstorm, how much time are you going to spend in a class that is incapable of using Sandstorm, for a very minimal benefit on triggering chance?
Curious when you are going to do yunaka build she is an insane dodge tank
Can only run so many units per playthrough lol.
@@IcedCoffeeGaming lol yeah. Maybe for shits and giggles try to build up like 1 of the bad units per run to see if they they can work at all
At least Picket has max Dex of 47 (unlike Celine’s Vidame awful max 29DEX). Man Timerra’s DEF is just…. Ok though.
She is very tanky for me, literally out tanks Jade haha
If you think the stock Dex is fine, and want more bang for your buck, run her with Ike.
Though now that Hector is out, we need to run more experiments.
But for vanilla Ike is the way to go.
My Timerra is a walking block of Tungsten, that hits like a freight train.
That's surprising, I personally have a Timerra with the second highest defense behind Louis.
I find brave weapons very underwhelming honestly. Yea again enemies with low defense slow enemies they can shred but in most cases they tend to just do a double hit with lower might. They are very expensive to upgrade, require A rank, are very heavy with low might. Idk I just have not found them to be that good. Maybe on like a slow character with very high str so they can double a lot more it would be worth. I find that Tamarra is actually better with Ike then Sigurd in the endgame because she is not quite tanky enough without him and is not fast enough to dodge. So she need the extra def from Ike and that extra 12 def you get when he maxed out in battle makes her sandstorm that much stronger. Just give her pair up so she cant get chain attacked and put her on the front line with Ike and she is very strong.
I tried to make this dex build work for alfred’s personal skill, but it didn’t go super well. Timerra’s skill is definitely better to play around.
Alfred kinda sucks. I found he's better as a great knight.... which also isn't great.
On my hard playthrough I gave her killing lance but didn't invest in her much. It was pretty amusing when the combat forecast showed 0 damage but then both sandstorm and a critical trigger would yeild 90 damage. It's pretty funny. I'm not sure if she's S teir for maddening but she's definitely good.
She has good speed/def growth and ends up being tanky, fast, and damaging.
I'd say A tier, only because you do have to focus on her for a while to get her caught up to the rest of the team. I'd say the only true S their maddening units are Kagetsu, Alcryst, and Merrin, since they don't have the problem of being weak when joining, have good personals, and don't fall off.
La dejé con Ike toda la partida, en la siguiente intentaré este combo a ver
I was super disappointed with Timmera when I got her. After half of the game, the last lord I get is another lance user? After I already have maybe 10? And not only was she a lance user, but she was also infantry when all the others were mounted. Ended up reclassing her into a wolf knight with Eirika and she ended up destroying everything. But this gives me hope for an infantry lance Timmera haha
She has become a tank/hard carry that 1 rounds for me, currently she is at 40 dex on CH23
I don't understand how to make this build work. I want to use Timerra, I'm on chapter 16, I upgraded her to picket and she's been on my team since I got her. I struggle getting kills with her and she dies in like one hit from enemies. I end up keeping her in back because otherwise she gets killed instantly. Other units haven't had this issue I don't understand why this isn't working for me.
Hmm, are you sure that boosting dex is actually the best for her? I have the feeling that if you want to do a sandstorm build, you'd profit more by boosting her defense. Yes, sandstorm would be less consistent, but it would hit much harder.
Damage seems good enough as she hits 30+ def. Starts out dpsing crits
What is "sandstorm" considered? A class skill? I can't find a list of all these on serene forest for some reason.
Unique class ability maybe not sure on official term haha
Why build +3 when you can speed +3? They both cost 500 SP (and it’s dumb).
The speed is better TBH, unless they change the game to make BLD do more :)
Why give her build when she could learn +speed from Lyn? Is it less sp or something?
It is similar, speed is also good potentially better if you are using other weapons that are lighter
I’m a bit confused on how sandstorm works. I just unlocked it and I realize how much more damage she does that’s not showing when she’s confronting an enemy. Is it based on her defense or the enemy’s like Erika’s?
It's her defense
Any reason to inherit build+ over speed+?
They basically do the same thing you could run speed+3. I was thinking in terms of reducing the brave weight but increasing speed offsets the weight and also increases AVO so that may be an optimization :). However if current speed translates to current avoid, it would be functionally the same but with upside on lighter weapons.
@@IcedCoffeeGaming I see, it's a shame they don't make build+ cheaper