It's in the nature of the internet to be anarchic, it's not supposed to be centrally controlled, it's a bottom-up thing, a sum of millions of contributions and that's the beauty of it.
There is a great book called _The Master Switch_ about the history of communication that dives into the cycle of inception to corporate consolidation. The internet is and always was going to end up in the hands of a few massive gate keepers.
Yes, but what if one person or organisation creates millions of contributions purporting to be from individuals in order to push an agenda? The internet has been compromised in much the same way Citizens United compromised American politics. The individuals we think we see may not be individuals at all and just remember we are on the cusp of AI so things will get much worse.
@@loyertamara Facebook, Google, Apple, Almost all world Governments, Extremist Organisations, and anyone whose arguments don't hold up to critique and would rather silence the opposition than have an open discussion.
When control freaks are near their own end... must be "terrifying" for them... to be confronted with their own limitations and 'very human' mortality. Live and let live people.. while you're preoccupied with how others are living their lives.. you lose sight of your own. Our time here is finite... so is the obsession of others worth it? Not for me it isnt.
One problem with the current system is that anonymity exists for the activity of corporations and governments online, but not for individuals. Yet we have the illusion of anonymity for the individual. If we give up that illusion it will be far easier for us to negotiate the truth of what we encounter online and own what revenue we generate online. We need a personal ID of sorts like a passport that ensures we are who we say we are, that would solve a lot of the problems that exist online.
I think we're talking about different things. I'm talking about the recent law passed in Russia allowing the Government not only to isolate Internet on all Russian territory with the ability to ban all the resources like China, but also to use "military training" to shut down cities from Internet without the Martial Law.
@@YuriRadavchuk ah, redacted then. i was going off the content of this video. i couldn't believe the disgustingly fat hippy began propagating "muh russia bots" so quickly.
0:41 “do you believe you’re more responsible (...) that the federal government would be?” A+ in debate team class, special award for a trap so excellent, it sounds like a question.
"we struggle against it, we fight to deny it, but it is of course pretense, it is a lie. Beneath our poised appearance, the truth is we are completely out of control"
Imaging its 30 years ago. Someone approaches you with an offer that goes something like this: I want you to use this new mail system we just invented. You can send letters and documents for free. You never have to buy a stamp again and we guarantee your mail will get to its destination. All we ask is that you let us read everything that you send through us. We will sell that information to business who will in turn market directly to you. Let's say you write to your mother telling her that you're going to ask your gf to get married. You will then likely receive brouchers for wedding rings or coupons for local flower shops. How about it? What's the loss of your privacy for some extra junk mail?
It's reassuring to know... that no agency has the manpower to read the "billions" of emails that circulate around the world each day... as long as they're matching keywords with my URL... I know all I'll get is convenient suggestive (and targeted) ads... without actual eavesdropping on the overall content of my messages... unless I'm a public figure likely to be targeted specifically... no one will "actually" read my messages but the intended recipient. Most people are hidden in plane sight... alone in the crowd. We all blend into the background noise of the internet pretty well... don't let fear of your lost privacy rule your life, you'll lose opportunities that way.
I had absolutely no idea the internet was coming 30 years ago... I was a head banger and all my buddies were on drugs... you'd never know that looking at me now though... middle aged family man these days.
@@davidhenningson4782 Lol... I'm on YT so I obviously have a gmail account which I actually use as my main email. You make a good point about the anonymity that large numbers afford. Also, my comment was just a thought experiment. I realize that my emails aren't actually being read and that it's not even possible to read everyone's emails. But casual cyber communication is highly susceptible to intrusion and individuals are targeted. Even on a macro level we're being surveilled even if its only to be targeted by adds. Fear leading my life? You apparently didn't consume my comment at the temperature I intended. I was making a point about the nature in which we, me included, are incrementally surrendering our individual sovereignty in the exchange for convenience and connectivity. Today it's just about pop up adds and junk mail but I'm weary of the implications for the future. That's not alarmism it's pragmatism.
@@davidhenningson4782 I'm really just worried about the way in which most of us are allowing access to so much of our lives in order for an app to run properly. We all carry around little microphones and cameras in our pockets and Snowden showed us that our government has the ability and willingness to abuse that fact. I'm a willing participant in this procees and that's why it makes me a bit nervous. I'm just wondering aloud if one day we're all going to ask, WTF happened and how did we let it get this bad.
Control isnt needed but laws are definitely needed about what can be put on and shared on the internet. These laws should be agreed upon by everyone and enforced, but not to an extreme degree. There should also be rules in place that limit governments ability to enforce and legislate law for the internet
You'd need a world government body for that. Ok, Iran, Russia, China, DRC... be nice now... join hands with the west, Israel you too... getting a consensus amidst disparities such as which walk the world stage... is "no" small feat. Just look at how religion divides people... they'll literally kill each other over " my God is better than yours..."
Jaron, your voice is critical to increasing basic understanding of the digital paradigm and its increasing role in shaping and controlling every aspect of our lives. Accordingly, I am very concerned that you appear so dismissive of your personal health. Please don't ignore it!
People will always Manipulate a tool to do what a person wants (sometimes maliciously) regardless of the platform and the rules or boundary's set in place to prevent exactly that. Its basic human nature and sometimes not even intending to be malicious. People will take a thing and exploit it for their own benefit. I believe one if the ways to decrees how this effects us socially is education about the thing (tool) and what it's intended purpose is. that way people can determine for themselves if the tool is functioning the way it was intended or if someone is using it to exploit it's user for the benefit of the manipulator... Great topic and great panel guest.
The only logical solution is for humanity to give up it's attachment to competitive, point scoring games (money, grades, votes, etc.). All of the planet's harms are caused by us competing against one another, instead of using creative collaboration to help us all get what we need to flourish, as well as possible. This is starting to happen now, if you know where to look.
Funny that humans are the only ones to try to force themselves to compete for imaginary points, while the rest of the systems in reality operate on a collaborative, free model, and they do extremely well. The system that is your body would be dead if it tried to play Monopoly as a way of life. But, humans are creative, and have to fail, a lot, before we learn. So we're failing at taking care of ourselves as a species, so that we can learn how stupid the competitive approach is compared to following our dreams for creating and exploring awesome stuff for free.
People can't afford to keep paying these monthly subscriptions. The world is becoming a monthly subscription. People are working to pay for all these ridiculous subscriptions. Start charging for Facebook and I'll just delete it. I'm not going to buy into all these monthly money pits.
The whole problem of when the internet went wrong started in 2008 with the release of the smart phones. before that everyone seemed friendlier and everyone seemed more postive. it was once a place were you could scape the negativity of the world around us in a place were everyone could share their talents, say what they want to say and have a decussion without fear to grow and be educated and inspired without Coercion. it was also a place where who you were and where you come from didn't matter. you could be rich or poor. educated or non educated the internet was about sharing, communication of information, idea's and helping one another without profit or gaintrying to make the world a better more open place. which leaves everyone who has been on the internet since the early days thinking what went wrong. My marker has always been Smart Phones feeding people with nothing more than propaganda and all the thing that is wrong with the world. it's almost like George Orwells 1984 and Animal Farm Combined. feeding people with fear and telling and teaching people how to think.
@@faxar1572 I think people were more open minded people were on the internet back them. it's when they added the average person on the street. when it went all to pot. it just a freakshow of everything that is wrong with the world instread of people trying to change the world and i think it's too late to save it.
You are right about time line. And now, 4 years after your post PC-s increasingly start looking like mobile phones + TV :( . Now feeds are everywhere on your desktop. When I turn on my windows laptop, I have to log in to Microsoft's web site!
We pay for lots of things that we don’t like. I pay for my phone and the data plan, but I feel like I have no control over what Im paying for. Who really owns their phone experience? Even paid for apps spy on us. I pay for Netflix, but hate the subtle political messages embedded in the content. Simply paying for things won’t solve the problem. I pay for a movie ticket, and they still put 20+ minutes of commercials before it starts. We need a true, private online experience if that is possible.
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You are a consumer drone, click your buttons and shut the fuck up.
I don't know why people continued to place trust in a company with their personal information and data to an unscrupulous thief. When you've discovered the main shareholder and now CEO attempted to steal the business model of that company and say he came up with the idea and model by himself. That people today still continue to entrust that same company and its CEO with their personal data, after we now know the numerous dodgy stuff and sharing they've been caught doing with their user's personal data is preposterous!
We never lost control. We have governments and corporations trying to take control. Edit: also, is the first speaker actually speaking as if the black lives matter movement was a net positive for society and not an added caustitive factor for the current social distrust we are now experiencing? Lol.
I love how a panel of "experts" think they can "protect our democracy". Who elected you to do that? Smart people often think they are right which makes them just as dangerous, if not more so, than anyone else who seizes power. Every dictator ever thought they were justified in their actions. A little more humility (and some actual respect for our democracy) from the valley would be refreshing.
Why on earth do you think you need control over the internet? I’d rather have 1000 Alex Jones than to have someone tell me what I can and can’t see or hear and think. I am beginning to feel like I’m living in a dystopian novel. I will unsubscribe if this video promotes censorship.
I would rather say that the internet in its current state isn't realy free, due to the hand full of people who are in control of the biggest and most important websites. I'd say, that they should be controled so that they can not manipulate us as much as they are doing right now (through censorship, algorithms and so on) and, as one might say, objectivy and commodify us.
The problem is the freedom you want exposes you to people, organisations and companies who wish to control how you think and they can do that anonymously and without consequence in a free internet. Idealism about the internet without acknowledging the real dangers manifest online will get us no where. You may think you are debating a person online only to find it's a puppet account being used by a government or corporation. This problem will get much worse once we having Turing passing AI at which point you will have no idea whether you are even interacting with a human online. Meanwhile these efforts can shift your ideology to conform with their aims.
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" I’d rather have 1000 Alex Jones than to have someone tell me what I can and can’t see or hear and think. ", that's why you're an easily led gullible ignoramus.
Classic keyboard warrior statement, under the guise of being principled. The problem with 1000 Alex Jones’s is that they will begin to abuse and commit violence against innocent people. Their lies grow like cancer. As others have pointed out, we are not free at all on the internet, it is controlled by corporations - so we might as well try to get them to use some of that power to prevent violence and terror.
With ai and faster 5G internet there will facial recognition cameras tracking people, voice recognition and face recognition could track people even if they switch phones or computers. All the time you are getting data linked to profile in your name. Self driving cars will be tracking where you go and who with as will cameras everywhere, in shops tracking what you buy, crypto coins tracking what buy and sell fixing stock markets, cameras built into your TV and other devices, Cameras tracking if you attend a protest or football match or bar or shop tracking what you are doing. Imagine getting on the wrong side of powerful people with that sort of tracking data to your name. The benefits however not mentioned will make life so much better, that's how it gets you. Entertainment, social, robots and devices making life easier, self driving cars. We may be living in the glory days of internet privacy despite all the complaints.
Disclaimer: This post contains opinions. - Is technology turning us into machines? We are machines! The question makes no sense. - Training AI the "cat" model is nice, but to really train it, show it also many images withuot cats and tell them "not cat". Without this, the AI does not really "learn" anything. AI needs to learn the negative, the absence of things to really understand them. AIs can be fooled very easily by adding some specific noise to a cat image to indetify it as a truck and vice versa. Subtle pixel-level changes, which would never fool any human, fool AIs. I thinkm it is because the absence of negative examples. AIs should not just learn what "is" in an image, but also what "is not". This is much harder for obvious reasons. - If/when AI will ever claim anything by itself, I thing we should not call it AI anymore, but just I = Intelligence. - Testing "safety". How do you "test" a human person if it will be safe to let it live and move freely? It could potentially turn into a murder. Without understanding that, how would you like to understand how to test an Intelligence (referred as AI)? - Fake News? People believe all sorts of silly things. They need not be "news". We need beliefs, by nature. Because we are not very effective machines interacting with a chaotic world and limited with informations. Beliefs are just "shortcuts", because they proved to be evolutionary beneficial. - Making AI ethical? Impossible. It has to make itself on its own ethical, essentially when it starts claiming anything by itself. Many people are not ethical, or their ethics is in conflict with wthics of other people. Is it right to "force" one ethics over another? Who will be the judge? Same with (A)I. Alos, from history we have examples of how ethical values changed. - 56:05 Negotiate with US government? And what about the rest of the world? With whom should they negotiate and why!? How do you want to handle opposing views? The words "determine truthiness" are really freightnening! Again, with who and why!? There is no single world authority for this. Every person might "want" something else. The differences can be pretty negligibe withing certain cultures, but they can be really big between cultures.
Your Metadata is worth $$$ and that's what these huge corporations are all after. The more humans we got clicking "I Agree" to the terms and conditions the less privacy you will have and the more $$$ these corporations will make.
The internet today is the IP protocol. IP wins one speed at the cost of security. It was built by scientists to get data from Princeton to MIT to CalTech, etc... Funding was primarily DOD which is why ARPAnet is now called by it's real name. DARPAnet. Because everyone using the internet has to conform to certain protocols, literally and figuratively, I argue that it should be one of the few regulated monopolies. If someone would like to create their own protocols and infrastructure we could have more than 1 internet. But realistically that IS NOT going to happen. I bet DOD now has their own separate net and unique secure protocols.
It's really odd but when the guy with the Indian accent talks I have to put up subtitles. The problem isn't so much his pronunciation but the rhythm of his sentences. So much of language is unconscious and the rhythm of how you talk I guess is as important in being easily understood as pronunciation. The ability to catch every word a person says depends on every individual who is talking.
Yes, Aviv, lets have social scientists be the external guides for Silicon Valley... Only then first the social sciences must be fixed, as now they're 12 to 1 leftwing to radical left...
"fixing" social sciences? what that actually says is: getting more of these openly anti-social people into.. of course to "fix the bias".. so its more "fair and balanced". maann.. great idea!! (not)..
@@aerobique This is exactly the mindset that poisons the universities and rots them from the inside out. Everyone not radically left-wing are anti-social, are they? The left is always so humble. Ans then they wonder how Trump happened, LOL! Keep it up and something way nastier than Trump is in the cards. I don't want that to happen, mind you, but your mindset makes it all but inevitable. You can't put half the population aside as anti-social or deplorable or whatever. Most of all because they simply aren't.
It's in the nature of the internet to be anarchic, it's not supposed to be centrally controlled, it's a bottom-up thing, a sum of millions of contributions and that's the beauty of it.
There is a great book called _The Master Switch_ about the history of communication that dives into the cycle of inception to corporate consolidation. The internet is and always was going to end up in the hands of a few massive gate keepers.
Yes, but what if one person or organisation creates millions of contributions purporting to be from individuals in order to push an agenda? The internet has been compromised in much the same way Citizens United compromised American politics. The individuals we think we see may not be individuals at all and just remember we are on the cusp of AI so things will get much worse.
You can't lose control of something that you never controlled.
We lost control because of the people trying to control it... because they want to control what you see, think, hear like always before.
Singularity Bound “people”, “they” ..... proof? ..or an uninformed rant?
Open your eyes. I don't think he needs to spell it out, it's pretty obvious who 'they' are. @@loyertamara
@@loyertamara Facebook, Google, Apple, Almost all world Governments, Extremist Organisations, and anyone whose arguments don't hold up to critique and would rather silence the opposition than have an open discussion.
@@monstrositylabs thank you
When control freaks are near their own end... must be "terrifying" for them... to be confronted with their own limitations and 'very human' mortality. Live and let live people.. while you're preoccupied with how others are living their lives.. you lose sight of your own. Our time here is finite... so is the obsession of others worth it? Not for me it isnt.
One problem with the current system is that anonymity exists for the activity of corporations and governments online, but not for individuals. Yet we have the illusion of anonymity for the individual. If we give up that illusion it will be far easier for us to negotiate the truth of what we encounter online and own what revenue we generate online. We need a personal ID of sorts like a passport that ensures we are who we say we are, that would solve a lot of the problems that exist online.
I am not an algorithm....this conversation is so important. How is it so few people watched this.
Hands off the internet you power hungry tyrants
Jacques tell it to Putin's regime
@@YuriRadavchuk I don't know if you know what I know but Putin just got a phone call from the other one... what was his name again? Trump? 🎺☏
I think we're talking about different things. I'm talking about the recent law passed in Russia allowing the Government not only to isolate Internet on all Russian territory with the ability to ban all the resources like China, but also to use "military training" to shut down cities from Internet without the Martial Law.
@@YuriRadavchuk ah, redacted then. i was going off the content of this video. i couldn't believe the disgustingly fat hippy began propagating "muh russia bots" so quickly.
Are you aware that you’re writing this on TH-cam, a Google company?
0:41 “do you believe you’re more responsible (...) that the federal government would be?”
A+ in debate team class, special award for a trap so excellent, it sounds like a question.
"we struggle against it, we fight to deny it, but it is of course pretense, it is a lie. Beneath our poised appearance, the truth is we are completely out of control"
Imaging its 30 years ago. Someone approaches you with an offer that goes something like this:
I want you to use this new mail system we just invented. You can send letters and documents for free. You never have to buy a stamp again and we guarantee your mail will get to its destination. All we ask is that you let us read everything that you send through us. We will sell that information to business who will in turn market directly to you. Let's say you write to your mother telling her that you're going to ask your gf to get married. You will then likely receive brouchers for wedding rings or coupons for local flower shops. How about it? What's the loss of your privacy for some extra junk mail?
It's reassuring to know... that no agency has the manpower to read the "billions" of emails that circulate around the world each day... as long as they're matching keywords with my URL... I know all I'll get is convenient suggestive (and targeted) ads... without actual eavesdropping on the overall content of my messages... unless I'm a public figure likely to be targeted specifically... no one will "actually" read my messages but the intended recipient. Most people are hidden in plane sight... alone in the crowd. We all blend into the background noise of the internet pretty well... don't let fear of your lost privacy rule your life, you'll lose opportunities that way.
I had absolutely no idea the internet was coming 30 years ago... I was a head banger and all my buddies were on drugs... you'd never know that looking at me now though... middle aged family man these days.
@@davidhenningson4782
Lol... I'm on YT so I obviously have a gmail account which I actually use as my main email. You make a good point about the anonymity that large numbers afford. Also, my comment was just a thought experiment. I realize that my emails aren't actually being read and that it's not even possible to read everyone's emails. But casual cyber communication is highly susceptible to intrusion and individuals are targeted. Even on a macro level we're being surveilled even if its only to be targeted by adds. Fear leading my life? You apparently didn't consume my comment at the temperature I intended. I was making a point about the nature in which we, me included, are incrementally surrendering our individual sovereignty in the exchange for convenience and connectivity. Today it's just about pop up adds and junk mail but I'm weary of the implications for the future. That's not alarmism it's pragmatism.
@@davidhenningson4782
I'm really just worried about the way in which most of us are allowing access to so much of our lives in order for an app to run properly. We all carry around little microphones and cameras in our pockets and Snowden showed us that our government has the ability and willingness to abuse that fact. I'm a willing participant in this procees and that's why it makes me a bit nervous. I'm just wondering aloud if one day we're all going to ask, WTF happened and how did we let it get this bad.
Control isnt needed but laws are definitely needed about what can be put on and shared on the internet. These laws should be agreed upon by everyone and enforced, but not to an extreme degree. There should also be rules in place that limit governments ability to enforce and legislate law for the internet
You'd need a world government body for that. Ok, Iran, Russia, China, DRC... be nice now... join hands with the west, Israel you too... getting a consensus amidst disparities such as which walk the world stage... is "no" small feat. Just look at how religion divides people... they'll literally kill each other over " my God is better than yours..."
Jaron, your voice is critical to increasing basic understanding of the digital paradigm and its increasing role in shaping and controlling every aspect of our lives. Accordingly, I am very concerned that you appear so dismissive of your personal health. Please don't ignore it!
People will always Manipulate a tool to do what a person wants (sometimes maliciously) regardless of the platform and the rules or boundary's set in place to prevent exactly that. Its basic human nature and sometimes not even intending to be malicious. People will take a thing and exploit it for their own benefit. I believe one if the ways to decrees how this effects us socially is education about the thing (tool) and what it's intended purpose is. that way people can determine for themselves if the tool is functioning the way it was intended or if someone is using it to exploit it's user for the benefit of the manipulator... Great topic and great panel guest.
Really an excellent video, thank you. We need more people like the host, who sounds intelligent and knows what he is talking about.
According to my browser history I've never used the Internet
It's a shame your ISP knows the truth.
@@Jimmy4video 🤔 maybe that's who has been asking to send all my data or my history will be uncovered
The only logical solution is for humanity to give up it's attachment to competitive, point scoring games (money, grades, votes, etc.).
All of the planet's harms are caused by us competing against one another, instead of using creative collaboration to help us all get what we need to flourish, as well as possible.
This is starting to happen now, if you know where to look.
Funny that humans are the only ones to try to force themselves to compete for imaginary points, while the rest of the systems in reality operate on a collaborative, free model, and they do extremely well.
The system that is your body would be dead if it tried to play Monopoly as a way of life.
But, humans are creative, and have to fail, a lot, before we learn. So we're failing at taking care of ourselves as a species, so that we can learn how stupid the competitive approach is compared to following our dreams for creating and exploring awesome stuff for free.
People can't afford to keep paying these monthly subscriptions. The world is becoming a monthly subscription. People are working to pay for all these ridiculous subscriptions.
Start charging for Facebook and I'll just delete it. I'm not going to buy into all these monthly money pits.
The whole problem of when the internet went wrong started in 2008 with the release of the smart phones. before that everyone seemed friendlier and everyone seemed more postive. it was once a place were you could scape the negativity of the world around us in a place were everyone could share their talents, say what they want to say and have a decussion without fear to grow and be educated and inspired without Coercion. it was also a place where who you were and where you come from didn't matter. you could be rich or poor. educated or non educated the internet was about sharing, communication of information, idea's and helping one another without profit or gaintrying to make the world a better more open place. which leaves everyone who has been on the internet since the early days thinking what went wrong. My marker has always been Smart Phones feeding people with nothing more than propaganda and all the thing that is wrong with the world. it's almost like George Orwells 1984 and Animal Farm Combined. feeding people with fear and telling and teaching people how to think.
What? your kidding right? you must have been smoking a ton of dope back then guy. Net has all ways been full of asshole because ppl are assholes.
@@faxar1572 I think people were more open minded people were on the internet back them. it's when they added the average person on the street. when it went all to pot. it just a freakshow of everything that is wrong with the world instread of people trying to change the world and i think it's too late to save it.
You are right about time line. And now, 4 years after your post PC-s increasingly start looking like mobile phones + TV :( . Now feeds are everywhere on your desktop. When I turn on my windows laptop, I have to log in to Microsoft's web site!
We pay for lots of things that we don’t like. I pay for my phone and the data plan, but I feel like I have no control over what Im paying for. Who really owns their phone experience? Even paid for apps spy on us. I pay for Netflix, but hate the subtle political messages embedded in the content. Simply paying for things won’t solve the problem. I pay for a movie ticket, and they still put 20+ minutes of commercials before it starts. We need a true, private online experience if that is possible.
You are a consumer drone, click your buttons and shut the fuck up.
@ thank you lol
Company needs to be list on a common public name and shame on their behavior and record of good and bad
I don't know why people continued to place trust in a company with their personal information and data to an unscrupulous thief. When you've discovered the main shareholder and now CEO attempted to steal the business model of that company and say he came up with the idea and model by himself.
That people today still continue to entrust that same company and its CEO with their personal data, after we now know the numerous dodgy stuff and sharing they've been caught doing with their user's personal data is preposterous!
We never lost control. We have governments and corporations trying to take control.
Edit: also, is the first speaker actually speaking as if the black lives matter movement was a net positive for society and not an added caustitive factor for the current social distrust we are now experiencing? Lol.
I love how a panel of "experts" think they can "protect our democracy". Who elected you to do that? Smart people often think they are right which makes them just as dangerous, if not more so, than anyone else who seizes power. Every dictator ever thought they were justified in their actions. A little more humility (and some actual respect for our democracy) from the valley would be refreshing.
Why on earth do you think you need control over the internet? I’d rather have 1000 Alex Jones than to have someone tell me what I can and can’t see or hear and think. I am beginning to feel like I’m living in a dystopian novel. I will unsubscribe if this video promotes censorship.
I would rather say that the internet in its current state isn't realy free, due to the hand full of people who are in control of the biggest and most important websites. I'd say, that they should be controled so that they can not manipulate us as much as they are doing right now (through censorship, algorithms and so on) and, as one might say, objectivy and commodify us.
The problem is the freedom you want exposes you to people, organisations and companies who wish to control how you think and they can do that anonymously and without consequence in a free internet. Idealism about the internet without acknowledging the real dangers manifest online will get us no where. You may think you are debating a person online only to find it's a puppet account being used by a government or corporation. This problem will get much worse once we having Turing passing AI at which point you will have no idea whether you are even interacting with a human online. Meanwhile these efforts can shift your ideology to conform with their aims.
" I’d rather have 1000 Alex Jones than to have someone tell me what I can and can’t see or hear and think. ", that's why you're an easily led gullible ignoramus.
Snowflakey sortof...
Classic keyboard warrior statement, under the guise of being principled. The problem with 1000 Alex Jones’s is that they will begin to abuse and commit violence against innocent people. Their lies grow like cancer. As others have pointed out, we are not free at all on the internet, it is controlled by corporations - so we might as well try to get them to use some of that power to prevent violence and terror.
With ai and faster 5G internet there will facial recognition cameras tracking people, voice recognition and face recognition could track people even if they switch phones or computers. All the time you are getting data linked to profile in your name. Self driving cars will be tracking where you go and who with as will cameras everywhere, in shops tracking what you buy, crypto coins tracking what buy and sell fixing stock markets, cameras built into your TV and other devices, Cameras tracking if you attend a protest or football match or bar or shop tracking what you are doing. Imagine getting on the wrong side of powerful people with that sort of tracking data to your name. The benefits however not mentioned will make life so much better, that's how it gets you. Entertainment, social, robots and devices making life easier, self driving cars. We may be living in the glory days of internet privacy despite all the complaints.
Control the internet get back control you don't own it leave it alone
What do you think your poorly formed comment is gonna do? Come on
You never had control over the Internet and you never will, get over it
Meredith, your explanation and presentation is just awesome. You have great articulation skills
Fascinating discussion
@@CommonCensorship This is the best discussion and analysis on this subject Kurt as far as I know. I liked the depth of it.
Title is stupid.
In a connect world who ever have the people trust will be king
Disclaimer: This post contains opinions. - Is technology turning us into machines? We are machines! The question makes no sense. - Training AI the "cat" model is nice, but to really train it, show it also many images withuot cats and tell them "not cat". Without this, the AI does not really "learn" anything. AI needs to learn the negative, the absence of things to really understand them. AIs can be fooled very easily by adding some specific noise to a cat image to indetify it as a truck and vice versa. Subtle pixel-level changes, which would never fool any human, fool AIs. I thinkm it is because the absence of negative examples. AIs should not just learn what "is" in an image, but also what "is not". This is much harder for obvious reasons. - If/when AI will ever claim anything by itself, I thing we should not call it AI anymore, but just I = Intelligence. - Testing "safety". How do you "test" a human person if it will be safe to let it live and move freely? It could potentially turn into a murder. Without understanding that, how would you like to understand how to test an Intelligence (referred as AI)? - Fake News? People believe all sorts of silly things. They need not be "news". We need beliefs, by nature. Because we are not very effective machines interacting with a chaotic world and limited with informations. Beliefs are just "shortcuts", because they proved to be evolutionary beneficial. - Making AI ethical? Impossible. It has to make itself on its own ethical, essentially when it starts claiming anything by itself. Many people are not ethical, or their ethics is in conflict with wthics of other people. Is it right to "force" one ethics over another? Who will be the judge? Same with (A)I. Alos, from history we have examples of how ethical values changed. - 56:05 Negotiate with US government? And what about the rest of the world? With whom should they negotiate and why!? How do you want to handle opposing views? The words "determine truthiness" are really freightnening! Again, with who and why!? There is no single world authority for this. Every person might "want" something else. The differences can be pretty negligibe withing certain cultures, but they can be really big between cultures.
Yes values is what we want in information
sometimes i talk about something to my wife and it magically pops up as a video in youtube the next day...how ?
What's with the cut at 33.22? I wonder if she said more that got edited out?
Your Metadata is worth $$$ and that's what these huge corporations are all after. The more humans we got clicking "I Agree" to the terms and conditions the less privacy you will have and the more $$$ these corporations will make.
0:27 with one question Senator concluded the topic of the day
I love you all. It is what it is.... ❤️
a more informed/curious moderator please!
When he calls them nerds at the end of the talk
The internet today is the IP protocol. IP wins one speed at the cost of security. It was built by scientists to get data from Princeton to MIT to CalTech, etc... Funding was primarily DOD which is why ARPAnet is now called by it's real name. DARPAnet. Because everyone using the internet has to conform to certain protocols, literally and figuratively, I argue that it should be one of the few regulated monopolies. If someone would like to create their own protocols and infrastructure we could have more than 1 internet. But realistically that IS NOT going to happen. I bet DOD now has their own separate net and unique secure protocols.
Is the interviewer a robot? Not very engaging! Really enjoyed the guest being interviewed.
It's really odd but when the guy with the Indian accent talks I have to put up subtitles. The problem isn't so much his pronunciation but the rhythm of his sentences. So much of language is unconscious and the rhythm of how you talk I guess is as important in being easily understood as pronunciation. The ability to catch every word a person says depends on every individual who is talking.
Anne M. Andrews and Paul S. Weiss Public Lecture: Nanotechnology Meets Neuroscience and Medicine Perimeter Institute for Theoretical Physics
Damn i miss the BBS day's :-( If anyone knows what I'm talking about.
I'm optimistic towards the idea.
We need to know how to navigate this new medium technology and get ready for an explosion of knowledge good and bad..
The internet is our door to the collective human interconnected information universe we are already officially hooked up to the grid
If it’s a greedy company then they can’t be trusted
Knowledge is power not money
Jaron Lanier lose some weight we need you on this planet for as long as possible.
And the show gives him a tiny chair.
There will never be transparency nor accountability with these companies and the AI implemented.
I'm sure glad I don't use any social media at all. I never belonged to Facebook, twitter, etc. I have better things to do.
Hopefully the internet will be the tipping point..
This is nothing new, it's just larger now.
SmarterEveryDay did 3 videos on this.
This better not be a hit piece to increase censorship of the internet, if so I'm unsubbing. I came here for science NOT POLITICS!
every one look at Coil for a new way of web monetization, streaming payments, the future is here!!!
It´s time to come out with something new WSF...
can someone explain to me when Jaron Lanier says "gets more mileage " what does that mean?
Yes, Aviv, lets have social scientists be the external guides for Silicon Valley... Only then first the social sciences must be fixed, as now they're 12 to 1 leftwing to radical left...
"fixing" social sciences? what that actually says is: getting more of these openly anti-social people into.. of course to "fix the bias".. so its more "fair and balanced".
maann.. great idea!! (not)..
@@aerobique This is exactly the mindset that poisons the universities and rots them from the inside out.
Everyone not radically left-wing are anti-social, are they? The left is always so humble. Ans then they wonder how Trump happened, LOL! Keep it up and something way nastier than Trump is in the cards.
I don't want that to happen, mind you, but your mindset makes it all but inevitable. You can't put half the population aside as anti-social or deplorable or whatever. Most of all because they simply aren't.
6:55 Everything about this guys aesthetic is terrible... and I cant figure out if that is a good or bad thing.
you gave the internet your information and now you are acting so surprised.
Yes, he can't control himself.
Andrew Yang 2020
I work for medical merica
Information should be free like knowledge I
How about a social verify real information with non profit or political agenda for learning
The negative comments are very revealing in that it's a certainty that they were written by idiots who didn't bother watching the video.
I'm really not in a good mood.
Modern maturing
you are keeper of the internet? damn, I though algore was the keeper
Re-upload or deja vu🤔😜
at least the third time it's been reuploaded
Poor host.
I just silenced all knowledge.
Certainly not my favorite World Science Festival video.
HUMANITY don't need THE INTERNET TO cause A CATASTROPHE 😏THE EGO WILL ALWAYS NEED SOMEONE TO PLAY THE GAME
In the future we will need to combine Socialism and the internet to create a centralized world government....durrrrr
More Russian salad anyone?
Now Thoth stay put out of my home.
Rick c137 god talking.
Sorry rick
Hmm, I thought we(USA) were a Republic.
It is not hard to figure out for oneself what is true: what frickn BS is that guy selling? We dont need a filtering daddy, never did
By magic
What a Caracter ...
No it is not and I will end it if it people don't widen they minded person off primo things
Through reverse karna karma
All you people do it here
Dude is Lebowski.
*INTERNET SHOULD NOT BE CONTROLLED*
SHOULD ONLY BE MONITORED AND ADVICE GIVEN FOR THOSE SEEKING THE MOST HONEST OUTLETS
this is why u only get 990 views. youtube memes. :\
378,000 subscribers?? some channels have...almost 13 million.
srsly if i wasnt so memey i'd be watching all of these videos. ;-;
There is no way back . It is done.
Basically, we are witnessing our mass stupidity overflowing into our machines yet we call it artificial intelligence.
Life was better before the internet. That does not relate to this question. But most of us "of a certain age" know it is true.
You ditches just stole around 3500$ from my life
We are debating and the democracies are being dismentled. Soon we will not be able to debate anymore.
Stop trying to steal the fucking internet
Stealing probably
How about common sense to start with
Or tattoo Bullshit on their foreheads