Thank you. Your videos (amongst others) have inspired me to give gliding a go. I have booked a 2 week course in January to get to solo and hopefully beyond.
Chris . . So good to see another chapter of your flight journey. This episode, IMHO, belongs in one form or another, at the beginning of the instruction manuals for every pilot, tactical operator, Police Officer, Fire Fighter or anyone who needs to keep their head on a swivel. And if we accept the reality that no plan survives first contact with the enemy, or danger, every plan requires contingencies. As they say, "Failing to plan is Planning to Fail",
Nice work as always. I flew there myself last week during my second advanced gliding course at St-Auban. On last day of the course I crossed the Barcellonnette valley by myself. Flying a glider in the mountains is very rewarding. The rule they teach is to be always within a glide sloop of 20 to an airfield.
Thanks for the kind words. Yes, a 20:1 glide ratio is the stated norm, but it makes many assumptions. For example, 20:1 would be dangerous in a ASK 21, and overkill in an ASH 30. 50% of best glide is the intent in normal weather conditions, and an even more conservative value (10:1) in high winds/wave may be required.
@@FayenceSoaring I would totally agree. In the context of that course it makes a lot of sense, because they control many of the conditions on the assumption you raise. Furthermore, it is very easy to follow. When I build my experience it makes sense to think in less rigid terms about these margins. I will definitely consider your method next time I fly there, or any other out land option scares region. Thanks for that!
I use the same technique even in the flatlands. My glider is worth as much as a Ferrari, and I wouldn’t drive a Ferrari through a field at 100 km/hr unless I had inspected it first by foot. And congratulations on your recent achievement - sorry for omitting that on my first reply!
Always wonderful to see a new video from you, Chris. I'm reminded of "why I fly gliders " when I do! I've actually been medically grounded since June, but I anticipate getting some fall flying in my Cirrus soon. My ship has a little more than half the performance that yours does, so safety MacCready and knowing where landouts are (and keeping them in glide) is something that is forefront in my planning, even with the short distance flights I do. Anyway, thank you for another beautiful video, and here's to safe flying. ~Sara
Another insightful video - thank you (although I watched it at x2 speed). The LX9000 is a wonderful piece of kit. Others also use XCSoar but I'm curious about how those land out fields get uploaded into the LX9000. Like so much technology, half the learning process is extracting more than a fraction of the ability of the equipment. I remember trying to identify a land out field not far from St Aubin on a non flyable day. We went by road, parked and headed on foot in what we thought was the correct direction. There were 4 of us & after 1 hour, none of us were 100% confident that we had identified the correct field. It was either tiny or there were some big trees at one end. Some videos on land out sites would be very interesting !!! Thanks for the brilliant uploads. I enjoy them a great deal.
Thank you for your kind words. We can manually add any waypoints, but the procedure between manufacturers differs. On the LX, we have many ways to customize each waypoint, including the few that I showed on this video. Regarding your experience at surveying a field near Saint-Auban, I would recommend looking at it first on GoogleEarth so that you can also see how to access the field. You can also follow a GPS to the waypoint's coordinates.
Thank you, I will try that on my next flight. What I also use is the visualization on the map, based on my actual McReady Setting, whoch is of course less reliable. I may be flying with a much too optimistic McReady at the time, I am considdering an outlanding option. I would need to realize that in a streessful situation. So this is certainly a smooth way to judge fast and more more reliable.
When planning a minimum glide to a safe place to land, using 50% of your gliders best glide ratio is widely accepted as a good place to start. One of your glide computer's nav boxes should be "Glide Ratio Required to Target," so that you maintain your situational awareness. There are situations where even 50% isn't safe enough, such as on very windy/wave days.
Your videos are always sublime and educational. I was a student gilder pilot in uni many moons ago, at an ex RAF base in Wiltshire called Keevil. We always winch-launched, a thrill in itself 😂❤
Another fantastic video! I never knew about safety mccready but I do now. That’s the problem with the high tech glide computers, just like Apple phones, you only use a fraction of their functions. I made it down to the Alps with my glider earlier this year (Sisteron) for a couple of weeks for the first time for a few years, and had a great time reacquainting myself with the mountains - I will certainly learn how to use safety McCready for my next visit.
Yes, helpful! In addition to the Safety MC, do you also set a buffer for the arrival altitude (commonly 300m AGL) which the required LD then refers to (dropping you in the pattern, not on the ground basically)?
Yes, I also set a Safety Altitude, but that is beyond the scope of this video. When I teach how to use Safety Altitude, I always ask my students how high they'd like to be when they're still 5 km from their field. If they don't use a Safety Altitude, and plan on a conservative 20:1 glide ratio, they'll only be 250 m above the ground with 5 km to go.
Very nice video. Great music choice. I think it wouldn't harm it to have it voiced over. Also informative even for someone doing this just in flight sims and still scratching his head with what MacCready really is :D :D .
As always ,your videos are first rate and very informative.Just a point of clarification , on the arrival altitude , is that an AGL value,or is that the height you will arrive over circuit height ?
Thank you for your kind words. Check with your computer's operating manual, but on the LX it is AGL. You may (and should) add a Safety Altitude to that value so that Arrival Altitude brings you to a point greater than zero AGL (Beginners usually set 300 m as their Safety Altitude).
This Tuesday I helped retrieve an ASH31 from a field. The pilot failed to start the engine. Luckily he had picked a good harvested field as his outlanding option.
Could you do a video on flying below ridge level versus flying above ridge level. I have never done ridge flying ... yet! I believe there are pilots that try stay above ridge level and avoid going below. You seem very comfortable below.
Yes I could, and I eventually will. But, while there is a ridge and a glider in this video, I'm not ridge flying, which implies using orographic lift. In this video I am using anabatic lift.
@@FayenceSoaring Huh. Interesting now you have me research more. By the way - I'm the guy that went for a flght in Fayence in January. I want to go back and do it again.
There is a similar option on XCSoar, but for best results, I'd recommend NOT connecting XCSoar to an intelligent variometer. I'd recommend using traditional MC (speed) values on your variometer, and a separate safety MC (glide) value on your XCSoar. This gives you the best of both worlds: Speed-to-Fly information on your vario, and safe Glide information on your XCSoar.
Very useful, but doesn't your onboard motor have a huge impact on your confidence level? I get it that just taking out the motor is like opening your spoilers, but your motor is electric (95% chance of starting up and running) and if you are too low ..... just start it up and....
Actually, relying on the motor of a self-launch glider to keep you out of trouble is the most dangerous thing you could do. There are so many ways that an air-start could fail. To be safe, pilots flying self-launch gliders should fly as if they were flying a pure glider, which includes landing-out.
Great explanation of how glider performance is calculated, but the title is pure clickbait. Would also like to have an acknowledgement of its creator, Paul MacCready.
@@FayenceSoaring Hello, "prepares to land out" means basically the physical acting to landing out, at low altitude. In my understanding and seemingly for others, too.
Bonjour. Merci. je suis un vélivole ne volant plus. S’il vous plaît pouvez-vous « conserver le bruit de l’air », et pas de musique, merci. Cordialement paisiblement. Hello. Thanks. I am a glider pilot who no longer flies. Please can you "keep the sound of the air", and no music, thank you. Kind regards peacefully.
@@FayenceSoaring I have it, but I loose 600m in a single half turn close to Barcellonette (coming from South est at 2500m...), due to unespected Mistral irruption... Gliding w-o an escape plan is always a risky business... Few risky options if you (again) get stuck in the (last) lee side. Mr.Griogio Galletto (World Champ) get trees in a race close to St. Crepin...
Having an escape plan was the entire point of this video. All of the green dots are safe places to land, and were within range, and many of them were within a 10:1 glide. Also, if you look on my glider's computer screen, you'll see that I'm on the windward side of the mountain, and if you look in my Actual Glide navbox you'll see that I'm achieving an infinite glide ratio -- actually, I'm climbing as is evidenced by the FlightLevel navbox.
@@FayenceSoaring it is of course not possible to make good evaluation from the video, also having a 50:1 glider helps lot. I know Fayence pilot are very skilled in outlanding due to the low hills in early morning and late evening, but for strangers pilot it is always better to show right good fields, because there are lot of wrong gree spot... Thanks for having more details and sharing !
Bonjour. Merci. je suis un vélivole ne volant plus. S’il vous plaît pouvez-vous « conserver le bruit de l’air », et pas de musique, merci. Cordialement paisiblement. Hello. Thanks. I am a glider pilot who no longer flies. Please can you "keep the sound of the air", and no music, thank you. Kind regards peacefully.
Thank you. Your videos (amongst others) have inspired me to give gliding a go. I have booked a 2 week course in January to get to solo and hopefully beyond.
thank you. good to see you back in the alps again
Chris . .
So good to see another chapter of your flight journey. This episode, IMHO, belongs in one form or another, at the beginning of the instruction manuals for every pilot, tactical operator, Police Officer, Fire Fighter or anyone who needs to keep their head on a swivel. And if we accept the reality that no plan survives first contact with the enemy, or danger, every plan requires contingencies. As they say, "Failing to plan is Planning to Fail",
Nice work as always. I flew there myself last week during my second advanced gliding course at St-Auban. On last day of the course I crossed the Barcellonnette valley by myself. Flying a glider in the mountains is very rewarding. The rule they teach is to be always within a glide sloop of 20 to an airfield.
Thanks for the kind words. Yes, a 20:1 glide ratio is the stated norm, but it makes many assumptions. For example, 20:1 would be dangerous in a ASK 21, and overkill in an ASH 30. 50% of best glide is the intent in normal weather conditions, and an even more conservative value (10:1) in high winds/wave may be required.
@@FayenceSoaring I would totally agree. In the context of that course it makes a lot of sense, because they control many of the conditions on the assumption you raise. Furthermore, it is very easy to follow. When I build my experience it makes sense to think in less rigid terms about these margins. I will definitely consider your method next time I fly there, or any other out land option scares region. Thanks for that!
I use the same technique even in the flatlands. My glider is worth as much as a Ferrari, and I wouldn’t drive a Ferrari through a field at 100 km/hr unless I had inspected it first by foot.
And congratulations on your recent achievement - sorry for omitting that on my first reply!
Always wonderful to see a new video from you, Chris. I'm reminded of "why I fly gliders " when I do! I've actually been medically grounded since June, but I anticipate getting some fall flying in my Cirrus soon. My ship has a little more than half the performance that yours does, so safety MacCready and knowing where landouts are (and keeping them in glide) is something that is forefront in my planning, even with the short distance flights I do. Anyway, thank you for another beautiful video, and here's to safe flying. ~Sara
Thank you for your very kind words as always, Sara. I hope you get well soon, and back into your glider!
Denver Colorado, USA. Thank you!
Another insightful video - thank you (although I watched it at x2 speed). The LX9000 is a wonderful piece of kit. Others also use XCSoar but I'm curious about how those land out fields get uploaded into the LX9000. Like so much technology, half the learning process is extracting more than a fraction of the ability of the equipment.
I remember trying to identify a land out field not far from St Aubin on a non flyable day. We went by road, parked and headed on foot in what we thought was the correct direction. There were 4 of us & after 1 hour, none of us were 100% confident that we had identified the correct field. It was either tiny or there were some big trees at one end. Some videos on land out sites would be very interesting !!!
Thanks for the brilliant uploads. I enjoy them a great deal.
Thank you for your kind words. We can manually add any waypoints, but the procedure between manufacturers differs. On the LX, we have many ways to customize each waypoint, including the few that I showed on this video.
Regarding your experience at surveying a field near Saint-Auban, I would recommend looking at it first on GoogleEarth so that you can also see how to access the field. You can also follow a GPS to the waypoint's coordinates.
Merci encore une fois pour cette magnifique vidéo pleine de belles images et de pédagogie. Je recommande souvent ta chaine à mes élèves...
Thank you, I will try that on my next flight. What I also use is the visualization on the map, based on my actual McReady Setting, whoch is of course less reliable. I may be flying with a much too optimistic McReady at the time, I am considdering an outlanding option. I would need to realize that in a streessful situation. So this is certainly a smooth way to judge fast and more more reliable.
When planning a minimum glide to a safe place to land, using 50% of your gliders best glide ratio is widely accepted as a good place to start. One of your glide computer's nav boxes should be "Glide Ratio Required to Target," so that you maintain your situational awareness. There are situations where even 50% isn't safe enough, such as on very windy/wave days.
Another great video!!!
Thank you!
Your videos are always sublime and educational. I was a student gilder pilot in uni many moons ago, at an ex RAF base in Wiltshire called Keevil. We always winch-launched, a thrill in itself 😂❤
Another fantastic video! I never knew about safety mccready but I do now. That’s the problem with the high tech glide computers, just like Apple phones, you only use a fraction of their functions. I made it down to the Alps with my glider earlier this year (Sisteron) for a couple of weeks for the first time for a few years, and had a great time reacquainting myself with the mountains - I will certainly learn how to use safety McCready for my next visit.
Very interesting the Safety MC, I didn't know this function in my Lx9070.
In the current version of the LX9xxx manual, Safety MacCready is described in 7.1.1.3 "Safety Mc versus Mc-offset."
Yes, helpful! In addition to the Safety MC, do you also set a buffer for the arrival altitude (commonly 300m AGL) which the required LD then refers to (dropping you in the pattern, not on the ground basically)?
Yes, I also set a Safety Altitude, but that is beyond the scope of this video. When I teach how to use Safety Altitude, I always ask my students how high they'd like to be when they're still 5 km from their field. If they don't use a Safety Altitude, and plan on a conservative 20:1 glide ratio, they'll only be 250 m above the ground with 5 km to go.
Very nice video. Great music choice. I think it wouldn't harm it to have it voiced over.
Also informative even for someone doing this just in flight sims and still scratching his head with what MacCready really is :D :D .
Thank you for your kind words. Future videos/products from Fayence Soaring will have voice-overs and other formats that I hope you'll enjoy.
@@FayenceSoaring Cool, thanks!!
Восхищаюсь вашими вилео.
Спасибо за добрые слова!
Oui, utile de connaître les réglages de pilotes expérimentés.
As always ,your videos are first rate and very informative.Just a point of clarification , on the arrival altitude , is that an AGL value,or is that the height you will
arrive over circuit height ?
Thank you for your kind words. Check with your computer's operating manual, but on the LX it is AGL. You may (and should) add a Safety Altitude to that value so that Arrival Altitude brings you to a point greater than zero AGL (Beginners usually set 300 m as their Safety Altitude).
This Tuesday I helped retrieve an ASH31 from a field. The pilot failed to start the engine. Luckily he had picked a good harvested field as his outlanding option.
I’ll have a future video about air starts - how and how not to do them - and when and when not to try them.
@@FayenceSoaring I’m already looking forward to this :)
Could you do a video on flying below ridge level versus flying above ridge level. I have never done ridge flying ... yet! I believe there are pilots that try stay above ridge level and avoid going below. You seem very comfortable below.
Yes I could, and I eventually will. But, while there is a ridge and a glider in this video, I'm not ridge flying, which implies using orographic lift. In this video I am using anabatic lift.
@@FayenceSoaring Huh. Interesting now you have me research more. By the way - I'm the guy that went for a flght in Fayence in January. I want to go back and do it again.
@@markplain2555 Excellent! Look forward to it!
Yes, _I had never heard about safety McCready._ Is that also available in XCSoar?
There is a similar option on XCSoar, but for best results, I'd recommend NOT connecting XCSoar to an intelligent variometer. I'd recommend using traditional MC (speed) values on your variometer, and a separate safety MC (glide) value on your XCSoar. This gives you the best of both worlds: Speed-to-Fly information on your vario, and safe Glide information on your XCSoar.
@@FayenceSoaring Excellent idea... (Is this Bernd flying?)
Very useful, but doesn't your onboard motor have a huge impact on your confidence level? I get it that just taking out the motor is like opening your spoilers, but your motor is electric (95% chance of starting up and running) and if you are too low ..... just start it up and....
Actually, relying on the motor of a self-launch glider to keep you out of trouble is the most dangerous thing you could do. There are so many ways that an air-start could fail. To be safe, pilots flying self-launch gliders should fly as if they were flying a pure glider, which includes landing-out.
@@FayenceSoaring thanks
What glider do you fly?
I fly an Alexander-Schleicher ASH 31 Mi.
Great explanation of how glider performance is calculated, but the title is pure clickbait. Would also like to have an acknowledgement of its creator, Paul MacCready.
What part of the video’s title do you find misleading?
@@FayenceSoaring Hello, "prepares to land out" means basically the physical acting to landing out, at low altitude. In my understanding and seemingly for others, too.
No, proper landout preparation begins long before takeoff, which is the point of the entire video, and why the title is not clickbait.
Bonjour.
Merci.
je suis un vélivole ne volant plus.
S’il vous plaît pouvez-vous « conserver le bruit de l’air », et pas de musique, merci. Cordialement paisiblement.
Hello.
Thanks.
I am a glider pilot who no longer flies.
Please can you "keep the sound of the air", and no music, thank you. Kind regards peacefully.
Very risky choice... but the video probably looks more dangerous than the real sit...
No, not risky at all if you have the proper training and experience.
@@FayenceSoaring I have it, but I loose 600m in a single half turn close to Barcellonette (coming from South est at 2500m...), due to unespected Mistral irruption... Gliding w-o an escape plan is always a risky business... Few risky options if you (again) get stuck in the (last) lee side. Mr.Griogio Galletto (World Champ) get trees in a race close to St. Crepin...
Having an escape plan was the entire point of this video. All of the green dots are safe places to land, and were within range, and many of them were within a 10:1 glide. Also, if you look on my glider's computer screen, you'll see that I'm on the windward side of the mountain, and if you look in my Actual Glide navbox you'll see that I'm achieving an infinite glide ratio -- actually, I'm climbing as is evidenced by the FlightLevel navbox.
@@FayenceSoaring it is of course not possible to make good evaluation from the video, also having a 50:1 glider helps lot. I know Fayence pilot are very skilled in outlanding due to the low hills in early morning and late evening, but for strangers pilot it is always better to show right good fields, because there are lot of wrong gree spot... Thanks for having more details and sharing !
Placement de produit. Sans interet.
Comment ?
Bonjour.
Merci.
je suis un vélivole ne volant plus.
S’il vous plaît pouvez-vous « conserver le bruit de l’air », et pas de musique, merci. Cordialement paisiblement.
Hello.
Thanks.
I am a glider pilot who no longer flies.
Please can you "keep the sound of the air", and no music, thank you. Kind regards peacefully.