A Norman Roman Empire. A culturally French speaking half Gaullish half Danish catholic empire across the Mediterranean sea. Where do you live I need to buy you wine
And related to this, the Lombards also had North Germanic/Scandinavian roots! Which is especially interesting if you ever want to take a deep dive into the various aspects of cultural background that might have played a role in influencing the figure we today know as "Santa Claus"…. I could go on a longer tirade on this topic, but will spare you….
The scenario is really unique and I love the map style, it must have taken quite a bit of time to nail down -and I say this as a person watching your map rapidly catch up to mine on r/im-
Thanks! The plague didn’t bring down any big empires but it changed society in big ways by giving peasants more leverage because there were fewer of them left
I have Norman ancestry but I never called it Viking. The Normans weren't like the Danes of England or the Rus in East Slavic lands where they better preserved their language and culture and only somewhat mix with locals. Rollo's generation and every generation just married local women in France, adopted their language and culture, and used French legal codes with a twist and got interwoven in French politics. The Rus assimilated centuries later and simply ruled the Slavs imbedding their name until they finally assimilated, and the Danes of England stopped being Danish when half of them died in st brices day massacre and the survivors of the other half becoming English. But the Normans, particularly of Rollo's generation, were the only Norsemen who adopted Christianity and assimilated and integrated into local culture early on in one generation and done it entirely, everywhere else the Scandinavians slowly assimilated only after generations and they came as would be rulers of a kingdom, filled with ethnic colonies of Scandinavians, not a integrated minority aristocracy of one generation. See why I hesitate calling the Normans by the time of the crusades which the video takes place as Viking? The first generation of Normans were Viking. But don't you think it's disingenuous to call Normans as Viking around the timeperiod your videoizing? The Normans had extended families all over France even and recruited Bretons and Frenchmen far from Normandy and encouraged Flemish immigrants and aristocrats to Normandy but no one calls them Flemish and rightly so.
What’s more interesting would be the relationship between this empire and the Norman/Angevin kings of England. Would they serve as valuable Allies and maybe the Angevin empire lasts longer? Or would they grow apart. Perhaps Robert Curthose could become leader of this Mediterranean empire and leave England/normandy to his brothers.
There was a failed French crusade in Egypt, and Maghreb, with more climate wisdom and Norman guidance, combined resources and troops could of made this empire a alternate reality.
I'm familiar with medieval French and Norman politics, along with military, the Norman acquisition of Iberia is actually easier if you know that Frankish adventurers just create random dynasties in Iberia, just toss Norman adventurers and Norman bribes of regular franks and the Normans would of annexed Iberia. The Normans and regular Franks didn't always co-operate. Had they than this may of been possible, the normans established a random fiefdom in Anatolia, etc. So all of this is possible only if they cooperated better with other Crusaders, Frenchmen, catholics and adventurers, and took climate adaptation into consideration of foreign environmental conditions like Nile floods of Egypt, than your video could of been a reality.
The Normans of the British isles and their connections with the Angevin Plantagenet empire which yes weren't pure Normans but Plantagenets from Anjou, wouldn't France and parts of the British isles just of joined this alternate timeline Norman empire?
I love your style of video especiallly with your reasoning for how and why the nation would function internally but I feel like a lack of energy in your videos is holding you back. Maybe add some music and talk a little bit more enthusiastically and your audience will grow
I think that it's important to note that normans weren't really vikings but more like french, speaking norman french and fighting using heavy cavalry rather than axes
I think you should have done it in a way where instead of the Turks in Rum, the Norman mercenaries that were taking over Central and Eastern Anatolia also succeeded. 5:12 You know by the time the Kingdom of Jerusalem was formed, Christianity was at least 50/50 and after what looks like 300 years of constant rule, most of the peasants won't be Muslim.
0:35 Blud you're not even 1 minute in and you are already making huge mistakes. A Normand is a Half french/Half scandinavian noble that came after the frankish empire gave them a duchy on the coast to protect themselves against other nords. That's why they all have french sounding names. The other similiar phenomenon are the varangians that came down from sweden to ukraine and greece.
"Could the Norman empire survive the black plague?" No. Not unless they rely on French and British isles food, supplies, and manpower and taxes acquitted by British and French many of whom were Normans, aid the Mediterranean Norman empire.
Unless the Angevin imperial resources and Norman holdings and troops, supplies and taxes from wealthy isles of France backs this hypothetical Norman empire, no offense I think your theoretical state no matter how awesome I think it is, would fail.
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Really good Alternate history video didn't expect this from a post on Imaginary maps.
A Norman Roman Empire.
A culturally French speaking half Gaullish half Danish catholic empire across the Mediterranean sea.
Where do you live I need to buy you wine
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And related to this, the Lombards also had North Germanic/Scandinavian roots!
Which is especially interesting if you ever want to take a deep dive into the various aspects of cultural background that might have played a role in influencing the figure we today know as "Santa Claus"….
I could go on a longer tirade on this topic, but will spare you….
I hope you make a series because I liked this video very much
Thanks!
The scenario is really unique and I love the map style, it must have taken quite a bit of time to nail down
-and I say this as a person watching your map rapidly catch up to mine on r/im-
Another marvelously informative video. I knew very little of the Normans and learned much. Did any empire survive the plague?
Thanks! The plague didn’t bring down any big empires but it changed society in big ways by giving peasants more leverage because there were fewer of them left
Do you intend to make a series out of this timeline?
Maybe this timeline but maybe “empires that almost were” or something like that
I have Norman ancestry but I never called it Viking.
The Normans weren't like the Danes of England or the Rus in East Slavic lands where they better preserved their language and culture and only somewhat mix with locals.
Rollo's generation and every generation just married local women in France, adopted their language and culture, and used French legal codes with a twist and got interwoven in French politics.
The Rus assimilated centuries later and simply ruled the Slavs imbedding their name until they finally assimilated, and the Danes of England stopped being Danish when half of them died in st brices day massacre and the survivors of the other half becoming English.
But the Normans, particularly of Rollo's generation, were the only Norsemen who adopted Christianity and assimilated and integrated into local culture early on in one generation and done it entirely, everywhere else the Scandinavians slowly assimilated only after generations and they came as would be rulers of a kingdom, filled with ethnic colonies of Scandinavians, not a integrated minority aristocracy of one generation.
See why I hesitate calling the Normans by the time of the crusades which the video takes place as Viking?
The first generation of Normans were Viking. But don't you think it's disingenuous to call Normans as Viking around the timeperiod your videoizing?
The Normans had extended families all over France even and recruited Bretons and Frenchmen far from Normandy and encouraged Flemish immigrants and aristocrats to Normandy but no one calls them Flemish and rightly so.
This is all true. I used Viking to get people’s attention mostly. I think i only use it once or twice in the actual script
What’s more interesting would be the relationship between this empire and the Norman/Angevin kings of England. Would they serve as valuable Allies and maybe the Angevin empire lasts longer? Or would they grow apart. Perhaps Robert Curthose could become leader of this Mediterranean empire and leave England/normandy to his brothers.
Good video.
There was a failed French crusade in Egypt, and Maghreb, with more climate wisdom and Norman guidance, combined resources and troops could of made this empire a alternate reality.
We like this!
More please ^^
Thanks!
It would have been pretty cool if we had a Gothic Empire or Western Roman Empire moving it's camp to North Africa.
I'm familiar with medieval French and Norman politics, along with military, the Norman acquisition of Iberia is actually easier if you know that Frankish adventurers just create random dynasties in Iberia, just toss Norman adventurers and Norman bribes of regular franks and the Normans would of annexed Iberia.
The Normans and regular Franks didn't always co-operate. Had they than this may of been possible, the normans established a random fiefdom in Anatolia, etc. So all of this is possible only if they cooperated better with other Crusaders, Frenchmen, catholics and adventurers, and took climate adaptation into consideration of foreign environmental conditions like Nile floods of Egypt, than your video could of been a reality.
The Normans of the British isles and their connections with the Angevin Plantagenet empire which yes weren't pure Normans but Plantagenets from Anjou, wouldn't France and parts of the British isles just of joined this alternate timeline Norman empire?
3:40 yeah but the Empire broke apart in multiple pieces,even of not as much i expect some separatist countries.
I love your style of video especiallly with your reasoning for how and why the nation would function internally but I feel like a lack of energy in your videos is holding you back. Maybe add some music and talk a little bit more enthusiastically and your audience will grow
I think that it's important to note that normans weren't really vikings but more like french, speaking norman french and fighting using heavy cavalry rather than axes
You're exactly right, but calling them Vikings gets people to click on the video and learn more
It's beautiful
Very cool! Would love to see what religion and language look like ITTL
I think you should have done it in a way where instead of the Turks in Rum, the Norman mercenaries that were taking over Central and Eastern Anatolia also succeeded.
5:12 You know by the time the Kingdom of Jerusalem was formed, Christianity was at least 50/50 and after what looks like 300 years of constant rule, most of the peasants won't be Muslim.
You go viking normen mean north man oh it became the British empire
0:35 Blud you're not even 1 minute in and you are already making huge mistakes. A Normand is a Half french/Half scandinavian noble that came after the frankish empire gave them a duchy on the coast to protect themselves against other nords. That's why they all have french sounding names. The other similiar phenomenon are the varangians that came down from sweden to ukraine and greece.
That’s what I said. In the video I say “basically Vikings” to communicate they were not what people NORMALLY believe to be Vikings.
"Could the Norman empire survive the black plague?"
No. Not unless they rely on French and British isles food, supplies, and manpower and taxes acquitted by British and French many of whom were Normans, aid the Mediterranean Norman empire.
True I imagine it would crumble apart most likely
Unless the Angevin imperial resources and Norman holdings and troops, supplies and taxes from wealthy isles of France backs this hypothetical Norman empire, no offense I think your theoretical state no matter how awesome I think it is, would fail.
not even possible to do this
Trnovo? Excuse me? It's Търново. It has an Ъ. It should be spelled tArnovo, not trnovo. Bulgarians are not serbs. It's Skopje, not skopIA.