I think he’d stick with the triple alliance with Germany . Easier to convince the Spanish since their part of the empire would directly revive land, rather than only Italy getting stuff by invading Austria. It also gives them the chance to carve France and get a huge piece of it.
Antagonising France while ruling Italy and Spain is foolish. A victory attained against France would be at the price of many Italians and Spanish, while bringing glory only for Germany.
I'm from Rome and thought i'm proud of our ancient history, i'm ashamed of our modern state. I mainly blame the anglo-french influence in the Risorgimento.
@@AndreaMoletta-s3c Secondo me il problema fu che l'attenzione di Vittorio Emanuele II e di Umberto I era diretta a centralizzare la burocrazia: se il parlamento avesse usato quel tempo e quelle energie per deregolamentare l'industria e promuovere il commercio avrebbero potuto dedicarsi alle materie formali in un secondo momento; uno dei motivi per cui vollero centralizzare subito fu la volontà di creare un sistema d'imposte come quelli del Regno Unito, della Francia e della Confederazione Tedesca del Nord, per finanziare l'esercito ed istituzioni pubbliche. Forse, allineandosi con la Francia, sarebbero servite meno risorse per la difesa ed avrebbero investito meglio il denaro pubblico.
@@alexzero3736 I think Vincenzo Gioberti's idea of an HRE-style Confederacy would be better than the directly centralized nation-state. Since italy has actually a very diverse culture with each region and province different identities and roots.
@@rittyrizzani5705 From the Fall of Rome it splintered and came under control or at least influence of foreigners and invaders and hence from that was kept weak and vulnerable.
@@rittyrizzani5705Well, consider Spain, France, Austria. Yeah, easily considerable colonial rule, maybe Byzantine, but depends on your consideration of them.
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As a Spaniard, I love the idea of a Catholic union between Spain and Italy to form a Roman Empire-style nation. Each nation would retain its language, but Latin would be taught as a secondary language in the schools of both nations to facilitate communication between the new "Hispania" and "Italia". This union could be a new era of glory for the resurgence of one of the largest, most powerful and influential empires, and perhaps with the passage of time other countries such as France, Portugal, Romania or Greece could join this empire, under the truly name of this nations: "Galia" (France), "Lusitania" (Portugal), "Dacia" (Romania) and "Helenia" (Greece). God bless the ROMAN EMPIRE and all his nations!!!! 🇪🇸♥️✝️🇻🇦🇮🇹🇵🇹🇫🇷🇷🇴🇬🇷
it would be much easier for a spanish to learn very good italian and viceversa than both of them reaching a shitty level of latin. Having sai tht, we shold at least conquer south of france to connect the territories. And Italy should have the 60% of power, havng more population and industry (expecially back then) than spain. Then we could conquer portugal and greec and turkey. then africa, the rest of asia and the ex spanish empire. And then lose everything again.
As an Italian I support completly your idea... That would be a dream to see Italy strong and powerful with its natural latin allies like Hiberia, Lusitania, Dacia and Gallia. No one could stand against us.
selling cuba is essentially throwing one of spain's most industrialized and economically strong territories and ensuring the lack of popular support for Juan Prim's government, ending in another civil war or an assasination attempt of amadeo. What amadeo would've done however, is to follow the autonomy whim present in puerto rico and cuba, which was initially brought as an idea around 1873, cuba and puerto rico would just be made autonomous regions before they were irl (1897)
Cuba no estaba realmente industrializada, su única industria relevante era la producción de azúcar, en parte con trabajadores esclavos y no asalariados que son la base de cualquier sociedad industrial, también la guerra había arruinado las plantaciones y la mayoría de negocios pasaron a ser controlados por empresas gringas por lo que España ya no se beneficiaba tanto de la isla, pero es cierto que ningún español de la época hubiese tolerado la venta de Cuba porque la veían como un territorio integral de España aunque no lo fuese en realidad, prefirieron gastar millones de pesetas y hombres en sofocar la rebelión e ir a la guerra con Estados Unidos antes que perder Cuba
¿ de dónde eres? Yo soy cubana- italiana, mi tatarabuela la abuela de mi padre era esclava negra del imperio Oyo Yorubilan, su marido un Vasco pago su libertad, aún así no era legal el matrimonio ni podía mi bisabuela tener el apellido de su padre, tenía el primer apellido del español dueño de su madre y que yo también llevo como marcado a fuego. Cuba no tiene nada que ver con Puerto Rico, ni siquiera tenía ya nada con España y no fue EEUU en tres meses a parerarles el culo a los genocidas españoles del team de Valeriano W. Héroe nacional español, conde de Tenerife hasta tiene una plaza con su nombre en Santa Cruz de Tenerife, por el exterminio de 600.000 cubanos en el primer campo de exterminio "reconcentración " de la historia, claro no eran judíos, solo campesinos católicos mestizos, criollos, negros ni los recluian los ejecutaban al momento. La guerra en Cuba contra el gobierno español no sé exactamente si eran parte del Imperio romano ALEMÁN o del imperio francés o si eran República española o si volvían a ser corona "católica " los cínicos asesinos de católicos y de latinos tanto italianos como de América latina, ¿ por qué fue la guerra? Por los supremacistas españoles catalanes que impusieron sus productos en América bloqueando el comercio de las empresas locales ¿ no lo sabías y que no querían abolir la esclavitud en Cuba? Pues España es peor que Alemania, porque no ha tenido nunca su Nuremberg!
The most opportunistic outcome: Italy joins the central powers and helps Germany defeat France, asking for the French holdings in the Mediterranean, taking French Morocco, Algeria, Corsica and the French coastline to connect Spain to Italy via a land route. They would invade British Egypt and seek a separate peace with Britain. The allies would make a secret deal with the Italians: They can keep their conquered holdings if they switch sides and invade Austria-Hungary and Germany, which they would accept. (Haha switch sides joke). The war front would be fought in the alps rather than France, specially after the Russians lose in the east. The ottomans, seeking vengeance would accept the German call to arms and join the central powers against Italy. Italy would hold a defensive ground in the alps, while they launch a combined assault on the ottomans with Britain, Greece and the Arab revolt; eventually beating the ottomans and forcing them to sign a humiliating peace treaty. The allies would launch a combined offensive into the Balkans, joining up with Romania and Serbia to defeat the Bulgarians and the Austrians. The Germans, now alone, specially after the Americans arrive, would choose to sign a white peace with the allies. The humiliating peace terms, would be instead be directed at the Austrians, who actually started the conflict. This would be heavily pushed by Italy, who still resents the centuries of Austrian rule the had to live under. (Maybe the funny moustache man went back to Austria and did a you know what) Italy would take over ottoman coastline from the Sinai to Antioch, and fulfil the Greek dreams of the Megali idea and establishing a pro-Italian Greek government based out of Constantinople. Italy would take the Adriatic coast from the Austrians and fracture the Austrian-Hungarian empire, dividing them amongst the other Balkan allies like Romania and Serbia The Kaiser would become unpopular due to the loss, but would not be deposed by shifting the blame of losing to incompetent allies and the treacherous Italians. Maybe this is a little too unrealistic. I am MASSIVELY overestimating the Italian army/potential, but it is a quick way to get Italy close to reforming ROME.
Uhh, I get it with African possessions, but cutting France from Mediterranean as whole, this would be outrageous. At max Italy would get Savoy, Nice and Provence, also Monaco as puppet.
Since history had branched off so much at that point, I am not sure if the Latin Union would even be allied with the Triple Alliance at that point. Although the Latin Union was growing closer to Germany, Italy had traditionally always been at odds with the Austrian Empire. On the other hand...If he does side with the Triple Alliance, Filiberto has a chance to take southern France, reclaiming Corsica, and connecting Spain to Italy by land.
I am Italian, and i find entertaining a scenario where Italy become a superpower. However I don't think the UK would have left the Mediterranean Sea in Italian hand, controlling the strait of gibraltar and the strait between Sicily and Tunisia.
The Italo-Spanish union would stay on the side of the Central Powers since attacking both from the Pyrenees and the Alps would further divide the French forces in Alsace-Norraine
@@Filip7893 Italy can get Nice, Savoy and Corsica while Spain can expand in Linguadoca. Italy in this timeline is more stronger and the combined italo-spanish army is useful.
@@theromanmapper i mean yea but let's not forget that the Italians were more eager to go to war with Austria for the Irridente Lands, besides if they were to join the Central Powers (and manage to defeat France) they still have to fight the British and later the USA
@@Sisarone Italy can play two games at the same time: if they stay with the Central Powers, Italy could get Nice, Savoy and Corsica while Spain the French Morocco for example, then, waiting, they could use the inevitable Austro-Hungarian collapse for take Istria, Dalmatia, Venetia-Iulia and Trentino
Okay, I definitely need a part two in this series. As for who filiberto is probably going to help...my money is on Britain, France and Russia. For starters, it's a natural step to the so far diplomatic history between them. Secondly, the Italian nationalists have long ago set their sights on territory with Italian population that belongs to Austria. By reclaiming these parts, filiberto further endears himself to the nationalists by humbling their pompous neighbours. Plus, the ottoman empire, who cannot join any other side but the central powers, is ripe for further territorial loses by filiberto's army (a great step in the restoration of the Roman empire is the recapture of Asia minor) Not to mention that at this point reclaiming all the territory that belongs to France and Britain is next to impossible. But I look forward to seeing what you're going to come up with. And since you're set on historical alternative universes, could you please make one for tsarist Russia as well? What if tsar Alexander III had lived longer? Or what if Nicholas II was more experienced and strong-willed, set on reform and modernisation?
A Authoritarian Counter-revolution spreads through the Mediterranean, lead by a strong influence of the Italian State. It is a fascinating concept, and I would very much like to see part two of this; to see where Italy’s ambitions leads to. Personally, I am more enamored with the concept of Italian Irredentism than the concept of “Modern day Roman Empire.” I dream the dream of Italian Adriatic Sea… (and Italian Tunisia). That’s why I love Possible History’s “Collapse of the Austrian-Hungarian Empire” video so much.
Videntis, I really love your style of videos! I think it's great that you don't spend half the video saying stuff like "I don't know what'd happen next, this scenario is different than our own". It's obvious that alt-history is drastically different, but you embrace that and your videos feel a lot like real history videos, just from a different world. Please keep up the good work, you've earned a subscriber.
I see them sticking with the triple alliance so they can carve up france and achieve more colonies in north africa, leading to a reformation of rome to be easier
I think fighting the central powers is the obvious choice, you can't really restore Rome without Greece, and their position in the Aegean gives them a pretty good bet at intervening in the Greek National Schism and gaining control by appeasing greek nationalist with lands from the Turks, maybe to satisfy Spain they can ask the Entente for some colonies since they're a much more valuable ally in this timeline.
Aside from the fact that Greece might have an internal fight over who to join, I think they could very well skip owning Greece and focus on the West, but they could also invade Greece after the war, supporting the Turkish War of Independence
i think they would intervene on the central powers to gain Gaul (France) and north Africa as both especially Gaul was important to roman culture and history and then wait for Austria to inevitably collapse and gain Balkan territory and probably invade Greece for its importance to Rome too and maybe go to war with a crumbling ottomans later too but on the other hand they could gain Constantinople and the Balkans in they join the entente but i feel like they could gain those either way if they wait along with heavily industrialized French land even if entente gains are more secure i feel like Italy might pull a Bulgaria and go for the less solid potion but it gives them almost everything they want
Yes and the Latin would be foreign to Spanairds too, but this would help. Allowing the Spanish and Italians to see their Latin roots while also enforcing the language of the old Empire and of the Church. @@cazwalt9013
As long as Italy gets istria Dalmatia corsica nice and savoy I'm happy. Plus I don't think Crete aligning with Italy is realistic since they had bad experience with venitians, but the union with Spain is realistic since the Italians and Spanish are so similar.
These is a likely territorial promises he would have that Italy and Spain could receive: Triple alliance: Savoy, Nice, (Istria,dalmatia,trentino, egypt ), (Morocco), Algeria, southern France, and Greece, French Equatorial Africa, Djibouti, montenegro, French Indochina, borneo, (malacca), (formosa) Triple Entente: Istria,dalmatia,trentino-alto adige, anatolia, (israel, syria), German Cameroon, kenya for German East Africa, part of German New Guinea, yemen, (formosa) (In case holland had entered the war: partition Dutch East Indies). In my opinion he would have joined the Triple Alliance because he had more territorial promises and from what I understood what Emanuel Philibert was like and his character was to have territories for the reformation of the Roman Empire and he didn't care so much about alliances. It would be nice to see a part 2
First of all excellent video as usual. Secondly, I think Emanuele Filiberto's ambitions and world view, militaristic and expansionist, are more aligned with the Central Powers and Wilhelm II, I feel he would be the type of person who would want Corsica, Savoy and Algeria from France in order to cement his empire. Thirdly I think it would be interesting if you made a video about the changes in history if Leopold had been King of Spain as originally planned.
The two scenarios for the two possibilities are these 1) Central Power An Italian-Spanish intervention is a disaster for France, which is now fighting on three fronts in its homeland and two fronts in the colonies, so they fell pretty easy, but there is still a threat: Great Britain. If Gibraltar and Malta are not captured quickly, the British Navy will be a real thorn in their side and a pretty hurtful one. If the sinking of the Louisiana and the Zimmerman telegram are repeated, the dream of a New Rome is over. But if they were to (somehow) land in England, victory would be all but assured. The Italo-Spanish Monarchy obtains Corsica, Nice, Savoy, much of the French Mediterranean coast and many Anglo-French colonies. At this point, when Austria inevitably collapses, the Latins will expand their influence into the Balkans, all the while pushing French monarchists in the hope of adding the French throne to the collection. 2) Entente There is fighting both in the Mediterranean against the dying Ottomans and against the Habsburgs, perhaps the Alpine front is more successful and the Italians reach Trieste. Spanish troops could support the French on the Western Front, while the Italians occupy the Balkans against the Habsburgs, perhaps even Greece if they joined the Central Powers. In any case, it would be a war of attraction that would probably end as OTL, but with an Italo-Spanish monarchy being elevated to a great power. They get the Irridente Italian lands, Cyprus, some Colonies for Spain and maybe occupy something in Türkiye. At this point the Latin Monarchy must go for Soft Power in the Balkans and possibly in the former Austrian territories, but Rome could be said to have been truly Restored only if the Savoys also became Kings of France
Ethiopia was one of the most dense populated African country, also it was direct way to connect Italian Eritrea and Italian Somalia, ports in Africa that were giving Italy indirect access to Red Sea and global trade ( Which became especially important since opening of Suez channel). Also Italy tried to puppet Ethiopia without war, they helped to coup local king, but new king ( Menelik) wasn't so stupid and refused to subordinate.
@@alexzero3736 I know and that’s why they should’ve left it alone. Awww they didn’t access to the Red Sea and Indian Ocean directly… oops. Romans figured out ways to get around without the Red Sea. 19th century Italians didn’t need Ethiopia. It was a power play to keep up with the BE, France and a newly unified Germany, plus a little country called the USA was building up its navy and economy.
While remaining with the Central Powers seems the obvious choice, securing Corsica, southern France, and the French colonies in Africa, there's still plenty of territory to secure in Austria-Hungary, the Balkans and, most notably, the Ottoman Empire. While I don't want to say it's a given, the idea of being on the same side as the Muslim Turks and Protestant Germans, against the nominally Catholic French might be an obstacle to their ambitions, especially given the increasing prominence Catholicism is attaining in the Latin Union. I don't think it'd be a deal breaker, but the idea of reclaiming the Holy Land might be a good incentive to join the Entente.
I suspect that the Latin Kingdom (Italy-Spain) would still join the Allied Powers to reclaim Italian lands still held by Austria-Hungary and to further expand influence in the Balkans for the potential reclaiming of lands controlled by Rome.
The wise option it's to stay neutral and sell goods and weapons to everybody. And use the increasing wealth to further develop the kingdom o the "Latín Monarchy"
Whilst staying with the Central Powers would've been the safer route, and probably what the king would want to do, the Italians living in Istria and dalmatia would see the betrayal of the Italo-Spanish monarchy, and never forgive them for leaving them under Austro-Hungarian rule.
esta buenísimo el video por favor una segunda parte no me dejes así por favor( This video is great, please make a second part, please don't leave me like this)
@@Videntis.History I've just finish to read a book all about the Carlist, so I think I can defend myself pretty well, at least better than most spanish about the Carlist
I don't think that Crete will remain independent for long. In real life the Cretans wanted enosis and the Greek king was the one who was opposed to the Idea since he was cautious about the stance of the great powers even in this timeline i don't think that the Cretans will vote to remain independent since all of their previous revolts were to join Greece.
@@Videntis.History No worries, the cuban rebellions were very exagerated by the US (when the spanish-american war started the spanish were about to win against the rebelion) and could have been avoided with better management, they happened because the slavers, who controlled half of the island, wanted fredom to practice slavery and the spanish goverment wanted to abolish slavery, the rebelions only got so bad because they also antagonized the industrialist of the island who before that suported the govermnet, you have to understand that cuba had been part of spain for hundreds of years at this point and their culture was almost the same as spain's, selling cuba would be like the US selling Hawaii to China. If it actually happened you would see the spanish goverment collapse and the king deposed.
3 medieval/late antiquity for Italy. What if Roger II of Sicily conquered the rest of Italy? What if Cesare Borgia became King of Italy? Finally what if Belisarius was given prefect of Italy?
Joining the entente makes the most sense for Filiberto. He would probably ask to get Corsica, Savoy, Malta (UK and Italy would have an agreement like the US Cuba for the naval base) for joining them. As Italy’s goals are easier to obtain from Austria and the Ottomans. Italy just has to leverage itself and I can see the UK dropping France in favor of the Latin monarchy. Also the Latin monarchy would begin to forge new economic and cultural ties to South America now that Portugal is basically in the fold.
We are already a suerpower, we are in the first 8 economies of the world, and in the first 5 exporters of goods. we just need to rebuild a sovereign army, for this we need to trash our old usa-puppeters politics, and restart relations with eastern Africa, Russia and China. 🇮🇹🇷🇺🇨🇳 ( Germany also need to do the same).
There are other comments who have mentioned this, but selling Cuba in the 1870s is one of the most unlikely events mentioned in this video. Spain fought repeated wars to keep hold of the island, primarily because it was an actually profitable colony and the loss of that profit likely would impact negatively peninsular industrialization in a very critical moment. Nonetheless, accepting for the sake of the argument that things have mostly developed as per OTL, Spanish coal could conceivably alleviate in part some of the exceedingly severe issues that plagued Italian industry during WW1. As part of the Entente, that's obviously very easy. As part of the Central Powers, that's a VERY tall order. But then, with the world wars, the winning move is not to play. Spain made some serious money as a neutral during WW1 and this Latin Monarchy is in a better position to make that very same play.
@videntis I would like to see a video covering what if the 1939 Greater German Reich borders was kept during the Cold War. The West could keep the western German borders that include Austria and the Soviets keeping a larger east Germany that has parts of the Polish borders. After the Cold War ended, would Europe allow German unification or keep those two German states separate?
Honestly if the goal is to further unify both Italy and Spain, sticking the the central powers may make the most sense, with Spanish desires for Morocco (and territory from portugal depending on what alliance they choose to honor) and Italian goals on Corsica & Nice they would both benefit from being on the side of Germany. It may also help Crete gain land from Greece if they are still in the Entente. If they join the Entente it would only favor italy and possibly Crete if they get territory from the Ottomans. + no mater how much Austria-Hungary is fun to look back on, they are not long for this world in their current state and will be a easy target later on for a resurgent "roman empire".
Maybe they stay neutral and for this, ask Austria for Istria and tyrol and France Corsica and Nice and Savoy back. If they control Portugal, Spain, Italy and Crete, they indeed are frightening to the eyes of both alliances; they are the third group. And just to show off their power, they attack and invade Greece and Albania. And when one side is loosing, they attack to get back what is theirs and after the war, get also Albania and greece
This is probably what Victor Emanuel II used to dream at night lol
I think so
I think he’d stick with the triple alliance with Germany . Easier to convince the Spanish since their part of the empire would directly revive land, rather than only Italy getting stuff by invading Austria. It also gives them the chance to carve France and get a huge piece of it.
Getting an German victory will mean the Latins whould be overshadowed by her Germanic allies devaluing her position on the Globe
@@IdanGhengisnot properly, Italy and Spain together are already stronger than Germany alone
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Antagonising France while ruling Italy and Spain is foolish. A victory attained against France would be at the price of many Italians and Spanish, while bringing glory only for Germany.
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Rome at modern-day Italy: "Look at how they massacred my boy...."
I'm from Rome and thought i'm proud of our ancient history, i'm ashamed of our modern state. I mainly blame the anglo-french influence in the Risorgimento.
@AndreaMoletta-s3c Don't forget the Mafia as well; it's worse than in the US, I hear....
@@AndreaMoletta-s3c Secondo me il problema fu che l'attenzione di Vittorio Emanuele II e di Umberto I era diretta a centralizzare la burocrazia: se il parlamento avesse usato quel tempo e quelle energie per deregolamentare l'industria e promuovere il commercio avrebbero potuto dedicarsi alle materie formali in un secondo momento; uno dei motivi per cui vollero centralizzare subito fu la volontà di creare un sistema d'imposte come quelli del Regno Unito, della Francia e della Confederazione Tedesca del Nord, per finanziare l'esercito ed istituzioni pubbliche. Forse, allineandosi con la Francia, sarebbero servite meno risorse per la difesa ed avrebbero investito meglio il denaro pubblico.
@@AndreaMoletta-s3cwithout anglo- French influence risogermento won't happen, the Pope and Sicilian king didn't need United Italy. Sad, but true
@@alexzero3736 I think Vincenzo Gioberti's idea of an HRE-style Confederacy would be better than the directly centralized nation-state. Since italy has actually a very diverse culture with each region and province different identities and roots.
I always felt bad for Italy, they didn’t deserve to be split up and colonised it felt right that they should have been way more powerful.
Amico mio, you are based
Colonised? How much have you drank today?
I think he was referring to the period when Spain had territories in Italy. @@rittyrizzani5705
@@rittyrizzani5705 From the Fall of Rome it splintered and came under control or at least influence of foreigners and invaders and hence from that was kept weak and vulnerable.
@@rittyrizzani5705Well, consider Spain, France, Austria.
Yeah, easily considerable colonial rule, maybe Byzantine, but depends on your consideration of them.
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2. The German nationalist (those borders look so good)
3. The French nationalist (mostly Napoleon fanboys)
4. The Roman irredentist (aka Italian or Greek nationalists)
And somehow I’m all 4 as I love this channel
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As a Spaniard, I love the idea of a Catholic union between Spain and Italy to form a Roman Empire-style nation. Each nation would retain its language, but Latin would be taught as a secondary language in the schools of both nations to facilitate communication between the new "Hispania" and "Italia". This union could be a new era of glory for the resurgence of one of the largest, most powerful and influential empires, and perhaps with the passage of time other countries such as France, Portugal, Romania or Greece could join this empire, under the truly name of this nations: "Galia" (France), "Lusitania" (Portugal), "Dacia" (Romania) and "Helenia" (Greece). God bless the ROMAN EMPIRE and all his nations!!!! 🇪🇸♥️✝️🇻🇦🇮🇹🇵🇹🇫🇷🇷🇴🇬🇷
it would be much easier for a spanish to learn very good italian and viceversa than both of them reaching a shitty level of latin.
Having sai tht, we shold at least conquer south of france to connect the territories.
And Italy should have the 60% of power, havng more population and industry (expecially back then) than spain.
Then we could conquer portugal and greec and turkey.
then africa, the rest of asia and the ex spanish empire.
And then lose everything again.
As a brazilian, I support this 🇧🇷✝️🤝🏼✝️🇯🇪🗿
Greece and Romania being Orthodox would put a wrench in it though. Might just keep it in the West
As an Italian I support completly your idea... That would be a dream to see Italy strong and powerful with its natural latin allies like Hiberia, Lusitania, Dacia and Gallia. No one could stand against us.
As an Italian I support this
selling cuba is essentially throwing one of spain's most industrialized and economically strong territories and ensuring the lack of popular support for Juan Prim's government, ending in another civil war or an assasination attempt of amadeo.
What amadeo would've done however, is to follow the autonomy whim present in puerto rico and cuba, which was initially brought as an idea around 1873, cuba and puerto rico would just be made autonomous regions before they were irl (1897)
Cuba no estaba realmente industrializada, su única industria relevante era la producción de azúcar, en parte con trabajadores esclavos y no asalariados que son la base de cualquier sociedad industrial, también la guerra había arruinado las plantaciones y la mayoría de negocios pasaron a ser controlados por empresas gringas por lo que España ya no se beneficiaba tanto de la isla, pero es cierto que ningún español de la época hubiese tolerado la venta de Cuba porque la veían como un territorio integral de España aunque no lo fuese en realidad, prefirieron gastar millones de pesetas y hombres en sofocar la rebelión e ir a la guerra con Estados Unidos antes que perder Cuba
¿ de dónde eres?
Yo soy cubana- italiana, mi tatarabuela la abuela de mi padre era esclava negra del imperio Oyo Yorubilan, su marido un Vasco pago su libertad, aún así no era legal el matrimonio ni podía mi bisabuela tener el apellido de su padre, tenía el primer apellido del español dueño de su madre y que yo también llevo como marcado a fuego.
Cuba no tiene nada que ver con Puerto Rico, ni siquiera tenía ya nada con España y no fue EEUU en tres meses a parerarles el culo a los genocidas españoles del team de Valeriano W. Héroe nacional español, conde de Tenerife hasta tiene una plaza con su nombre en Santa Cruz de Tenerife, por el exterminio de 600.000 cubanos en el primer campo de exterminio "reconcentración " de la historia, claro no eran judíos, solo campesinos católicos mestizos, criollos, negros ni los recluian los ejecutaban al momento. La guerra en Cuba contra el gobierno español no sé exactamente si eran parte del Imperio romano ALEMÁN o del imperio francés o si eran República española o si volvían a ser corona "católica " los cínicos asesinos de católicos y de latinos tanto italianos como de América latina, ¿ por qué fue la guerra? Por los supremacistas españoles catalanes que impusieron sus productos en América bloqueando el comercio de las empresas locales ¿ no lo sabías y que no querían abolir la esclavitud en Cuba? Pues España es peor que Alemania, porque no ha tenido nunca su Nuremberg!
@@andysierra1618 Hispanic negro propaganda
The most opportunistic outcome:
Italy joins the central powers and helps Germany defeat France, asking for the French holdings in the Mediterranean, taking French Morocco, Algeria, Corsica and the French coastline to connect Spain to Italy via a land route. They would invade British Egypt and seek a separate peace with Britain.
The allies would make a secret deal with the Italians: They can keep their conquered holdings if they switch sides and invade Austria-Hungary and Germany, which they would accept. (Haha switch sides joke).
The war front would be fought in the alps rather than France, specially after the Russians lose in the east.
The ottomans, seeking vengeance would accept the German call to arms and join the central powers against Italy.
Italy would hold a defensive ground in the alps, while they launch a combined assault on the ottomans with Britain, Greece and the Arab revolt; eventually beating the ottomans and forcing them to sign a humiliating peace treaty.
The allies would launch a combined offensive into the Balkans, joining up with Romania and Serbia to defeat the Bulgarians and the Austrians.
The Germans, now alone, specially after the Americans arrive, would choose to sign a white peace with the allies.
The humiliating peace terms, would be instead be directed at the Austrians, who actually started the conflict. This would be heavily pushed by Italy, who still resents the centuries of Austrian rule the had to live under. (Maybe the funny moustache man went back to Austria and did a you know what)
Italy would take over ottoman coastline from the Sinai to Antioch, and fulfil the Greek dreams of the Megali idea and establishing a pro-Italian Greek government based out of Constantinople.
Italy would take the Adriatic coast from the Austrians and fracture the Austrian-Hungarian empire, dividing them amongst the other Balkan allies like Romania and Serbia
The Kaiser would become unpopular due to the loss, but would not be deposed by shifting the blame of losing to incompetent allies and the treacherous Italians.
Maybe this is a little too unrealistic. I am MASSIVELY overestimating the Italian army/potential, but it is a quick way to get Italy close to reforming ROME.
Uhh, I get it with African possessions, but cutting France from Mediterranean as whole, this would be outrageous. At max Italy would get Savoy, Nice and Provence, also Monaco as puppet.
Since history had branched off so much at that point, I am not sure if the Latin Union would even be allied with the Triple Alliance at that point. Although the Latin Union was growing closer to Germany, Italy had traditionally always been at odds with the Austrian Empire. On the other hand...If he does side with the Triple Alliance, Filiberto has a chance to take southern France, reclaiming Corsica, and connecting Spain to Italy by land.
I am Italian, and i find entertaining a scenario where Italy become a superpower. However I don't think the UK would have left the Mediterranean Sea in Italian hand, controlling the strait of gibraltar and the strait between Sicily and Tunisia.
With the help of Spain Gibraltar can be blocked for the British so there's only the question of the Suez canal
Glad you enjoyed it
The Italo-Spanish union would stay on the side of the Central Powers since attacking both from the Pyrenees and the Alps would further divide the French forces in Alsace-Norraine
That's not a motivation for them joining Central Powers.
@@Filip7893 Italy can get Nice, Savoy and Corsica while Spain can expand in Linguadoca. Italy in this timeline is more stronger and the combined italo-spanish army is useful.
@@theromanmapper i mean yea but let's not forget that the Italians were more eager to go to war with Austria for the Irridente Lands, besides if they were to join the Central Powers (and manage to defeat France) they still have to fight the British and later the USA
@@Sisarone Italy can play two games at the same time: if they stay with the Central Powers, Italy could get Nice, Savoy and Corsica while Spain the French Morocco for example, then, waiting, they could use the inevitable Austro-Hungarian collapse for take Istria, Dalmatia, Venetia-Iulia and Trentino
@@theromanmapper Yea, but the problem of the British navy remains
I consider this “What if EVERYTHING went PERFECT for Italy”. Thank you Videntis!
Join Central Powers > Gain french land and colonies > Wait for the inevitable collapse of the austrian empire > Gain lands from the austrian empire
Okay, I definitely need a part two in this series.
As for who filiberto is probably going to help...my money is on Britain, France and Russia. For starters, it's a natural step to the so far diplomatic history between them.
Secondly, the Italian nationalists have long ago set their sights on territory with Italian population that belongs to Austria. By reclaiming these parts, filiberto further endears himself to the nationalists by humbling their pompous neighbours. Plus, the ottoman empire, who cannot join any other side but the central powers, is ripe for further territorial loses by filiberto's army (a great step in the restoration of the Roman empire is the recapture of Asia minor)
Not to mention that at this point reclaiming all the territory that belongs to France and Britain is next to impossible.
But I look forward to seeing what you're going to come up with.
And since you're set on historical alternative universes, could you please make one for tsarist Russia as well?
What if tsar Alexander III had lived longer? Or what if Nicholas II was more experienced and strong-willed, set on reform and modernisation?
A Authoritarian Counter-revolution spreads through the Mediterranean, lead by a strong influence of the Italian State. It is a fascinating concept, and I would very much like to see part two of this; to see where Italy’s ambitions leads to.
Personally, I am more enamored with the concept of Italian Irredentism than the concept of “Modern day Roman Empire.”
I dream the dream of Italian Adriatic Sea… (and Italian Tunisia). That’s why I love Possible History’s “Collapse of the Austrian-Hungarian Empire” video so much.
Who says we can't have both?
The hype is real for a second part of this proto Roman Empire. Lets get to 8K as soon as possible!
Videntis, I really love your style of videos! I think it's great that you don't spend half the video saying stuff like "I don't know what'd happen next, this scenario is different than our own". It's obvious that alt-history is drastically different, but you embrace that and your videos feel a lot like real history videos, just from a different world. Please keep up the good work, you've earned a subscriber.
I see them sticking with the triple alliance so they can carve up france and achieve more colonies in north africa, leading to a reformation of rome to be easier
He would jointhe entant for mostly ottoman lands
I'm from Rome and i consider Madrid as our true Sister-City.
The Spanish are our true brothers (i hate france and ungreat britain).
I think fighting the central powers is the obvious choice, you can't really restore Rome without Greece, and their position in the Aegean gives them a pretty good bet at intervening in the Greek National Schism and gaining control by appeasing greek nationalist with lands from the Turks, maybe to satisfy Spain they can ask the Entente for some colonies since they're a much more valuable ally in this timeline.
If they were also able to retake Constantinople, it would make up for the sacking.
Aside from the fact that Greece might have an internal fight over who to join, I think they could very well skip owning Greece and focus on the West, but they could also invade Greece after the war, supporting the Turkish War of Independence
The elevation of Crete into its own power and the even weaker Ottomans makes the possibility of a Latin Holy Land possible!
we really need a prt 2
Thanks For this! Suggestion: What if Carlos II had a son? No war of Spanish succession
Impossible considering his ancestry...
There was a rebelión when his mother was regend led by his half-bother that could have put an heir in the throne if his half-bother wills it
If you're going to make that happen you're going to change everything beforehand about the Spanish Hasburgs.
i love stronk italy
I think Italy would still side with the Entente because Austria still held core Italian lands at this point and that was more important for Italy
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lol this is hilarious I was just reading a novel about a self insert into one of them Italian princes who would inherit Spain.
i think they would intervene on the central powers to gain Gaul (France) and north Africa as both especially Gaul was important to roman culture and history and then wait for Austria to inevitably collapse and gain Balkan territory and probably invade Greece for its importance to Rome too and maybe go to war with a crumbling ottomans later too but on the other hand they could gain Constantinople and the Balkans in they join the entente but i feel like they could gain those either way if they wait along with heavily industrialized French land even if entente gains are more secure i feel like Italy might pull a Bulgaria and go for the less solid potion but it gives them almost everything they want
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Italy resurrects latin and restores the Roman Empire. Peak fiction!
Restoring Latin wouldn't have been that hard since Italian was as foreign to many Italians as was Latin but still Italian was spread successfully
Yes and the Latin would be foreign to Spanairds too, but this would help. Allowing the Spanish and Italians to see their Latin roots while also enforcing the language of the old Empire and of the Church. @@cazwalt9013
As long as Italy gets istria Dalmatia corsica nice and savoy I'm happy. Plus I don't think Crete aligning with Italy is realistic since they had bad experience with venitians, but the union with Spain is realistic since the Italians and Spanish are so similar.
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How do you make your map so clear
These is a likely territorial promises he would have that Italy and Spain could receive:
Triple alliance: Savoy, Nice, (Istria,dalmatia,trentino, egypt ), (Morocco), Algeria, southern France, and Greece, French Equatorial Africa, Djibouti, montenegro, French Indochina, borneo, (malacca), (formosa)
Triple Entente: Istria,dalmatia,trentino-alto adige, anatolia, (israel, syria), German Cameroon, kenya for German East Africa, part of German New Guinea, yemen, (formosa)
(In case holland had entered the war: partition Dutch East Indies).
In my opinion he would have joined the Triple Alliance because he had more territorial promises and from what I understood what Emanuel Philibert was like and his character was to have territories for the reformation of the Roman Empire and he didn't care so much about alliances.
It would be nice to see a part 2
We will see
PART TWO IM BEGGING
Finally, I'm happy to had help with this video
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First of all excellent video as usual.
Secondly, I think Emanuele Filiberto's ambitions and world view, militaristic and expansionist, are more aligned with the Central Powers and Wilhelm II, I feel he would be the type of person who would want Corsica, Savoy and Algeria from France in order to cement his empire.
Thirdly I think it would be interesting if you made a video about the changes in history if Leopold had been King of Spain as originally planned.
The two scenarios for the two possibilities are these
1) Central Power
An Italian-Spanish intervention is a disaster for France, which is now fighting on three fronts in its homeland and two fronts in the colonies, so they fell pretty easy, but there is still a threat: Great Britain.
If Gibraltar and Malta are not captured quickly, the British Navy will be a real thorn in their side and a pretty hurtful one. If the sinking of the Louisiana and the Zimmerman telegram are repeated, the dream of a New Rome is over.
But if they were to (somehow) land in England, victory would be all but assured.
The Italo-Spanish Monarchy obtains Corsica, Nice, Savoy, much of the French Mediterranean coast and many Anglo-French colonies. At this point, when Austria inevitably collapses, the Latins will expand their influence into the Balkans, all the while pushing French monarchists in the hope of adding the French throne to the collection.
2) Entente
There is fighting both in the Mediterranean against the dying Ottomans and against the Habsburgs, perhaps the Alpine front is more successful and the Italians reach Trieste.
Spanish troops could support the French on the Western Front, while the Italians occupy the Balkans against the Habsburgs, perhaps even Greece if they joined the Central Powers.
In any case, it would be a war of attraction that would probably end as OTL, but with an Italo-Spanish monarchy being elevated to a great power. They get the Irridente Italian lands, Cyprus, some Colonies for Spain and maybe occupy something in Türkiye.
At this point the Latin Monarchy must go for Soft Power in the Balkans and possibly in the former Austrian territories, but Rome could be said to have been truly Restored only if the Savoys also became Kings of France
If Italy never tried to colonize Ethiopia, they could’ve became a great power without colonies. The whole Ethiopia thing was always weird to me.
Ethiopia was one of the most dense populated African country, also it was direct way to connect Italian Eritrea and Italian Somalia, ports in Africa that were giving Italy indirect access to Red Sea and global trade ( Which became especially important since opening of Suez channel). Also Italy tried to puppet Ethiopia without war, they helped to coup local king, but new king ( Menelik) wasn't so stupid and refused to subordinate.
@@alexzero3736 I know and that’s why they should’ve left it alone. Awww they didn’t access to the Red Sea and Indian Ocean directly… oops. Romans figured out ways to get around without the Red Sea. 19th century Italians didn’t need Ethiopia. It was a power play to keep up with the BE, France and a newly unified Germany, plus a little country called the USA was building up its navy and economy.
Part 2!
While remaining with the Central Powers seems the obvious choice, securing Corsica, southern France, and the French colonies in Africa, there's still plenty of territory to secure in Austria-Hungary, the Balkans and, most notably, the Ottoman Empire.
While I don't want to say it's a given, the idea of being on the same side as the Muslim Turks and Protestant Germans, against the nominally Catholic French might be an obstacle to their ambitions, especially given the increasing prominence Catholicism is attaining in the Latin Union. I don't think it'd be a deal breaker, but the idea of reclaiming the Holy Land might be a good incentive to join the Entente.
I suspect that the Latin Kingdom (Italy-Spain) would still join the Allied Powers to reclaim Italian lands still held by Austria-Hungary and to further expand influence in the Balkans for the potential reclaiming of lands controlled by Rome.
The wise option it's to stay neutral and sell goods and weapons to everybody. And use the increasing wealth to further develop the kingdom o the "Latín Monarchy"
or BECOME THE THIRD PARTY IN THE WAR.
Suggestion what if italy restored the Western Roman Empire like greece formed Byzantium in your past video.
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A rewritting history videntis and possible history video all in the same day what have i do to deserve this reward
But Italy did, briefly, became a great power...the minor of the great powers but a great power nonetheless.
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What if the United kingdom of Portugal Brazil and Algarves succeeded? Btw I love your videos and hugs from Portugal 🫡🇵🇹
Whilst staying with the Central Powers would've been the safer route, and probably what the king would want to do, the Italians living in Istria and dalmatia would see the betrayal of the Italo-Spanish monarchy, and never forgive them for leaving them under Austro-Hungarian rule.
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i think it would be part of the triple alliance because if they manage to conquer france it would be like restoring the western roman empire
esta buenísimo el video por favor una segunda parte no me dejes así por favor( This video is great, please make a second part, please don't leave me like this)
As a Spanish Carlist I really like this scenario
Do you know much about the car list wars? I’m thinking of making a video on them but I don’t know a ton
@@Videntis.History I've just finish to read a book all about the Carlist, so I think I can defend myself pretty well, at least better than most spanish about the Carlist
@@Cannon530YT is a Spanish book, IS called that was not in my history book of Carlismo( Eso no estaba en mi libro de historia del Carlismo)
Savoy would still be kicked out. You're looking at republican spain
What if Islam never existed
Videntis is so underrated your videos are great man
I appreciate that!
I don't think that Crete will remain independent for long. In real life the Cretans wanted enosis and the Greek king was the one who was opposed to the Idea since he was cautious about the stance of the great powers even in this timeline i don't think that the Cretans will vote to remain independent since all of their previous revolts were to join Greece.
Wait for part 2
@@Videntis.History Ok👍
when part 2 is out I'll subscribe. Can't wait
We need part 2
i want italy to join the entente aka the allies please please please please please
why did you do don carlos and venizelos dirty like that
I feel it's more possible to the alignment towards the Central powers
As Italian, I Thank you so much for this video
Great video! Glad I could help! can't wait for part two
I’ll do anything for Roman Britain part 2
I hereby declare the Protectorate of Sezione Commenti here.
Throw this into a WWI hypothetical.
Definitely need a part 2
What if India was never partitioned?
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Great video; I think the gains from France are better of a Roman Empire recreation, especially if Spain has a say
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please just give us part 2
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In ww1 I think that support the allies because most of these lands are historically romans and gets revenge from germans.
Please like this video
Oh yes part 2 plz
Part 2 please.
Join Entante and take way more land
Spain would never sell cuba willingly and their rebelions were beaten back every time, it was also one of the most industrialized places in span.
Ah ok, i mostly worked with Italians for the script so I didn’t know that about cuba
@@Videntis.History No worries, the cuban rebellions were very exagerated by the US (when the spanish-american war started the spanish were about to win against the rebelion) and could have been avoided with better management, they happened because the slavers, who controlled half of the island, wanted fredom to practice slavery and the spanish goverment wanted to abolish slavery, the rebelions only got so bad because they also antagonized the industrialist of the island who before that suported the govermnet, you have to understand that cuba had been part of spain for hundreds of years at this point and their culture was almost the same as spain's, selling cuba would be like the US selling Hawaii to China.
If it actually happened you would see the spanish goverment collapse and the king deposed.
Next part please
3 medieval/late antiquity for Italy. What if Roger II of Sicily conquered the rest of Italy? What if Cesare Borgia became King of Italy? Finally what if Belisarius was given prefect of Italy?
Amadeo I de Saboya is sadly an unkown king for many spaniards . Greetings from Spain 👍👍
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Joining the entente makes the most sense for Filiberto. He would probably ask to get Corsica, Savoy, Malta (UK and Italy would have an agreement like the US Cuba for the naval base) for joining them. As Italy’s goals are easier to obtain from Austria and the Ottomans. Italy just has to leverage itself and I can see the UK dropping France in favor of the Latin monarchy. Also the Latin monarchy would begin to forge new economic and cultural ties to South America now that Portugal is basically in the fold.
I like this if not for one thing: I HATE RELIGIOUS FANATICS. RELIGION SHOULD NOT BE AT THE LEAD OF A STATE. They should have gone for Bonaparte
We are already a suerpower, we are in the first 8 economies of the world, and in the first 5 exporters of goods.
we just need to rebuild a sovereign army, for this we need to trash our old usa-puppeters politics, and restart relations with eastern Africa, Russia and China. 🇮🇹🇷🇺🇨🇳 ( Germany also need to do the same).
There are other comments who have mentioned this, but selling Cuba in the 1870s is one of the most unlikely events mentioned in this video. Spain fought repeated wars to keep hold of the island, primarily because it was an actually profitable colony and the loss of that profit likely would impact negatively peninsular industrialization in a very critical moment.
Nonetheless, accepting for the sake of the argument that things have mostly developed as per OTL, Spanish coal could conceivably alleviate in part some of the exceedingly severe issues that plagued Italian industry during WW1. As part of the Entente, that's obviously very easy. As part of the Central Powers, that's a VERY tall order.
But then, with the world wars, the winning move is not to play. Spain made some serious money as a neutral during WW1 and this Latin Monarchy is in a better position to make that very same play.
@videntis I would like to see a video covering what if the 1939 Greater German Reich borders was kept during the Cold War. The West could keep the western German borders that include Austria and the Soviets keeping a larger east Germany that has parts of the Polish borders. After the Cold War ended, would Europe allow German unification or keep those two German states separate?
Could you please do what if the Greco Turkish war was a stalemate
I think Greece would keep Thrace and Ionia
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pt 2?
Honestly if the goal is to further unify both Italy and Spain, sticking the the central powers may make the most sense, with Spanish desires for Morocco (and territory from portugal depending on what alliance they choose to honor) and Italian goals on Corsica & Nice they would both benefit from being on the side of Germany. It may also help Crete gain land from Greece if they are still in the Entente. If they join the Entente it would only favor italy and possibly Crete if they get territory from the Ottomans.
+ no mater how much Austria-Hungary is fun to look back on, they are not long for this world in their current state and will be a easy target later on for a resurgent "roman empire".
Maybe they stay neutral and for this, ask Austria for Istria and tyrol and France Corsica and Nice and Savoy back. If they control Portugal, Spain, Italy and Crete, they indeed are frightening to the eyes of both alliances; they are the third group. And just to show off their power, they attack and invade Greece and Albania. And when one side is loosing, they attack to get back what is theirs and after the war, get also Albania and greece