Cleetus announces altima race. Second hand altima prices go through the roof. Me and my family got tickets we are flying to Florida from the uk to go to the freedom factory for the freedom. 500! Hell yeah brother.
This is why Cleetus has the best youtube channel. He don't need no million dollar hyper to have an entertaining video, just the boys and a 5k altima. never change!
I have been sick a lot recently turning 30 in feb didn't think id make it your videos have given me strength thank you Garrett and team keep up the good work
Literally bought an SE-R Spec V Sentra because of the cheap car challenge, such a fun vehicle. A buddy had the SE-R 6 speed Altima with Toyo Proxies, insane handling!
Brother, I first drove a 6-speed maxima with the 3.5 back in highschool. After I roasted the tires through second I knew I had to put some respect on those motors haha
I didn't see how low it got, but 15-25 at idle is pretty normal for vq's once up to temp. That's probably much lower than they are used to seeing. I heard them say 5psi, but that was probably a bit of an exaggeration.
@@Frankenslide I have an SE R and first of all that gauge isn't super accurate, second the oil pressure it was showing at operating temperature was normal. These engines run hot and yes, most will eventually burn oil like mine did. Also, the 1st gen VQ35DE had gallery gasket issues. This was later addressed in some 2nd and 3rd gen VQ35DEs.
OMG I LOVE THIS CHANNEL ITS ALWAYS FUN ITS REAL AND EVERY VIDEO YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT YOUR GOING TO GET I LOVE IT BEEN WATCHING FOR LIKE 9 YEARS I THINK NOT SURE
Same here! My buddy had one in high school, de-badged with full bolt ons we called it the “street sweeper” because in 2011 it was quite the feelings killer for some kids😂. Imagine pulling 160+ in one if they were 6 speed like the Z too😳
Yup. And now most of us SE R owners have either 2nd or 3rd gen VQ35DE swapped our motors, and with basic bolt-ons and a dyno tune, we run an average of 300whp like mine does. A few more mods like cams, valve springs, holley intake on ethanol and you can easily hit 330-380whp screaming at 8k rpm. Also, slap in an LSD to stop those 1 wheel burnouts, and add some stiffer mounts to eliminate the wheel hop.
From 2013-2018 in Australia the Nissan altima was in our biggest national race of the year put in the v8 and just smoke the whole feild. Model number is VK56DE
@conner768 the V8 was only in the racecar used for V8 suoercars race series don't think anyone had a V8 one on the streets especially considering there strict mod laws.
If you guys end up with some extra parts my younger brother has an 08 Altima in the Tampa Bay area that he keeps alive through pure hate and LKQ parts. I call it the Whip of Theseus since it probably has parts from 20 different Altimas. 300K miles, 2 transmissions, and horrific blow-by, it still runs and drives. Great video!
My first car was a 06 Altima SER loved it.. Those front and rear bumpers, tails, headlights are SER specific and no longer available for nissan. I can't believe I'm defending an altima right now but those parts are hard to find and worth a decent penny now.. also if you wanted do the NWP Engineering VIAS block off plate on the intake manifold, you lose some bottom end but the car wakes up a lot at the top of the rev range.. might help ya during the race!
NWP lol, haven't heard that name in a long time. You don't need the block plate. You can just take the flaps out of the butterfly valve. What's more serious is the low oil pressure at idle which this gen VQ is known for.
The Altima hate is totally unjustified. They're cheap and fairly reliable. Even the CVTs can last if you cool them or bother to change the fluid often enough. There's a reason why there's so many out there
@@williwonti I don't like the hate around them either. But... I had an 03 SE 3.5 auto and it was a fun car but far from reliable. The 4 speed was garbage. Had to replace it after 3 years of ownership. Tried the drop resistor mod. Tried the transgo valve body mod. Ended up replacing it altogether. It had timing chain noise as well and burned through 3 litres of oil every 5,000 km's. Couldn't get rid of the P0011 code and the rear cat off the manifold disintegrated. All well know issues for the Altima (and Maxima). It's the car I owned for the least amount of time in my life - just shy of 4 years.
Back in the day my buddy’s Dad worked at the Smyrna Nissan plant as a quality control engineer testing parts they were considering for the Altimas. His test process was to install the parts on a car and enter it in various types of races around the county- track, strip, auto cross. The cars actually held up and garnered some respect.
My parents had a maxima back like 15 years ago, i drove it a few times and it was shockingly fast. They sold it within a couple years because it started shifting funny, like any smart nissan owner should do lol
I see that clip like once a year somewhere. It inspired a guy I know to build a 700+ whp maxima. I don't think it's run in years, but It sure looked cool on the dyno, about the only place it ever ran. 😂
I had a 95 Altima with a 5 speed and a nitrous kit completely hidden. It would beat mustangs at the time. I would go through a bottle every weekend street racing. It was such a fun car.
A first gen altima with a 3.5 swap maybe, the stock 2.4L barely makes over 100whp lol. Anyone coming with anything less than a 3.5L is getting smoked. SE-R 6spd and Coupe 6spd are the two best options without question. And for anyone coming with an Automatic there is a plug for the resistor, remove it and it runs transmission line at full pressure, can also wire in a WOT switch, but it will instant shift and outshift the manuals every single time lol
@@SovaKlr I dont know what you're saying tbh. All I know is a 2.4l 3000 lb car that is rated at 150 crank hp isnt beating a 3.5l 3300lb car rated at 270chp lol..
They are a hilarious group the way they all feed off each other is great then you have the laid back wise old man mr. Sam. He is the guy i would like to meet the most
I actually owned an altima ser just like that back in the day. Those were really good cars. Surprisingly quick and handled good too. Sounded nice too! My buddy had one with full suspension, exhaust, and it was supercharged. Ultimate grocery getting sleeper! These were built before Nissan went to shit. I also owned a 97 maxima 5 speed. I bought it with like 20k miles. Best daily driver ever! They don't make them like they used to!
Little known secret. Nissan Altima is one of the most underrated off road vehicles of all time. I took a rental 30 miles onto Rubicon territory abandoned logging roads, and it handled the trail and the abuse like a champ. 😅
Altima coupe is only like 200ish lbs heavier than the Altima SER. I’ve never driven either but the way the weight transfers might be a bigger factor here than the weight alone. Just my initial thoughts.
I got the same color SE-R but mine is a 5AT (it's faster than the 6MT) nice to see yall showing them some love to them The Altima SE-R is 260 horsepower not 245, that's the 2003/2004 the 2005 has 250 horsepower 2005 has 4500 SE-Rs and the Black is the 2nd rarest color behind the Code Red 2006 has 5000 Those cars are Very rare do not mess it up cleet!
I had a 03 3.5 just take the air filter and straight pipe it all the way. That's how I had mine it popped good lol. You guys are going to have a blast with those units.😂
I had a 97 with the 2.4l. I was quite shocked with that little pos. Never thought it could smoke a lancer, it did though. It also didn't have a governer in it. It shifted into its final gear right before it maxed the speedo, but the rpm's would still climb. I kind of wish I still had it.
Who's getting an Altima and coming to race?? Get tickets or sign up to race here - tickets.thefoat.com/FreedomFactory
Chris Forsberg needs to be invited with his fleet of Nissans
I knew y’all were doing this when both JH and you both had an Altima in your videos days apart
C'mon boyz and gurlz, get those tickets in advance before they are sold out!!!!!
ur done , Nismo is TOP Nissan
Still no hard park
You shouldn't be allowed to compete in the Altima Race unless you have a title loan on it.
Or salvage title
or the spare tire on the passenger rear
Minimum one major body panel damaged too
Must have at least one light out 😂
@@androiduberalles i can see the crew with sledgehammers to a door
Cleetus announces altima race. Second hand altima prices go through the roof. Me and my family got tickets we are flying to Florida from the uk to go to the freedom factory for the freedom. 500! Hell yeah brother.
That’s awesome and I hope yall have a fun time!!!!
Hell yea brother! Welcome to America, I hope you have fun!
"Through the roof" on a second hand altima is about $2,000 at a buy here pay here
Have a fun trip!! Welcome to America!!!
Coming that far it would be cool if you got some VIP privileges my friend.. that would be really cool. 💚🤙🏻🤙🏻
Has a 5 second car and a 5k Altima makes them more happy this is why I watch every video
Nothings faster than an altima
Got one can confirm 😂
Man sick week was a hoot 😂👍🤣 sometimes trash is treasure 😂
Because they are car guys. We might give each other crap about Ford vs Chevy but at the end of the day true car guys like almost every car.
@@garrison2574 correction, nothing faster than a Kia Rio
Finally a useful way to get these damn things off the street 😂
That's what I said. 60+ less of these on the road, buy em up everyone LOL
Now we just need to figure out how to get the slow drivers off the street 😂
Only tech requirement should be the paperwork for a shady predatory loan
And a Black Ice air freshener!
@@JohnDoe-en9chfollowed by a loaded shotty.
Must have AT LEAST 20% interest
120 month financing at 19%? Where do I sign??
3 carseats in the back
$84 a week for the next seven years and your baby mama can have one of these sweet rides too!
That's almost 31 thousand dollars
@@evantorres5570 That's the joke...
That 2 door Altima was for people that wanted a G35 coupe, but couldn't afford it. It's a TEMU G35.
Same exact engine only difference is one 3.0 n Cleets is a 3.5 vq I have a 3.7 hr
😂😂it hurts its so funny😂😂
except it had a cvt option so it was a massive piece of shit in the first place so is the infinity 😂
Lmfao
@ mines g37 a manual sedan
I've NEVER wanted an Altima so bad in my LIFE! ... and I still don't want an Altima.
Every time cleet gets a vehicle he has low oil pressure 😂
If it’s leaking it’s got oil amirite!
It don’t need to be perfect but if there’s oil in there it’s at least doing what it’s supposed to
he needs a new shirt "Turbo: 60 psi Oil: 0 psi"
What causes all these beaters to have low oil pressure?? Bad maintenance so the ports are gunked up or what?
State Law!
If it's like all old VQ , gallery gasket is about to blow and engine won't last long 🤣
This is why Cleetus has the best youtube channel. He don't need no million dollar hyper to have an entertaining video, just the boys and a 5k altima. never change!
I love how George put his seatbelt on after he got on to the Freedom Factory property. Classic George!
Probably afraid of a golf ball coming outta nowhere 😂
Ptsd
Insurance reasons. 😅
That's when it always gets rowdy 😂
George, Sam, and Jimmy are the real stars of the channel. Ol Cleeter is okay too. 😂
Love seeing all the guys having more fun in a freaking ALTIMA than in 1000hp race cars!
Mr. Nismo's car had me crying
36 years old, and finally got my license today!! Now I can drive to FL for events!!!!!!!!!!
Congratulations bud! I hope you have a safe ride my guy
Congrats! Drive safe and enjoy!
@CaturRized Thank you. I really appreciate that brother.
I love you soooooo much!!
the odds of even 1 altima making it 60 laps are low
It should be renamed Demolition derby with altima
I would agree but the way they run on the highway....
You’ve obviously never owned an Altima 😂
I don't know, I've seen them go through way more on the road than what they're gonna do to them
Japanese cars built different 😂you'll be surprised..
LET THE MAXIMAS RACE
I agree. Mine is an SE with paddle shifters and a duck tail.
This confirms that a 5000 dollar Japanese car is always the right decision. Even Cleet has fun with a nugget
Technically American car because they're made in the USA and Altimas are not sold in Japan.
@@jeffrey88888 you can't convince folks of things like that. Lol
@@jeffrey88888the Altima is but you can find sub 5k cars Japanese cars that were made in Japan
Zack with- next time ask a real racer instead of googling horsepower numbers 😂🤣@ 9:40
Brutal hahahah
Nothing like waking up to a cleeter video !!!!
Let’s go!!!😊❤❤❤❤
You misspelled advertisement
Literally, on a Monday too?! Gets me fired up for the week. Thanks Cleet!
The face everyone made during the break test was amazing. Me and all of my friends laughed so hard. I love you guys!
"You Come on My Property & try to race ME!!" I Love It ! LET THE GOOD TIMES ROLL !!
Dang, wish I was in Florida guys! Greetings from the great white north. 🇨🇦
Always good to see the second channel getting some love.
I love that you’re giving us opportunities to participate too! The only time I’ve ever wished I had an Altima
George mustache is looking nice like Burt Reynolds
i really appreciate that after driving many 1000hp+ cars you can still find joy in ripping an Alitma! awesome!
0:09 someone for sure is bringing a maxima badged as an Altima.
a maxima is no faster than a 3.5 altima...its the same motor😅
Weve gotta see at least one 3.5 swapped 3rd gen maxima lol
@@derikdavenport86022002-2003 6sp maxima’s stock for stock, walk Altima’s. They’re lighter.
@@derikdavenport8602 same block, different intake manifold and tune.
I had a 2005 SE-R and was the best car I ever had lol. Bought it in 2013 with 180K and sold it, running great with 270K in 2017 for 500 bucks 😂
George looks like Mario over there 😂
It's a meeee .... Georgio
Looks like Whitty from 1320 Video...
Dude, I was saying the exact same thing to myself when they were pulling back into the ff ahahahah
That's the 70's porn stache he's rocking and I'm digging it
Well he is Italian
I have been sick a lot recently turning 30 in feb didn't think id make it your videos have given me strength thank you Garrett and team keep up the good work
10:30 cleanest 3-4 shift in existence
I gotta admit, never thought an Altima had that kinda fun in it! As Always, May God Bless you and yours! 😇
I drove a similar SE-R many years ago, surprisingly quick and handles extremely well.
Literally bought an SE-R Spec V Sentra because of the cheap car challenge, such a fun vehicle. A buddy had the SE-R 6 speed Altima with Toyo Proxies, insane handling!
Cannot wait for the Altima race! One of these days I’m gonna save up enough to see one of these in person. 🍻
nice seeing some love for the FWD VQ's. Very quick little cars and way more chill as a first car than g35s and zs lmfao.
A cleeter video short enough I can watch on break? HELL YEA BROTHER!
They literally have fun in whatever car they are driving🤣 this is why I love watching this channel!
Brother, I first drove a 6-speed maxima with the 3.5 back in highschool. After I roasted the tires through second I knew I had to put some respect on those motors haha
The VQ isnt the longest standing motor of the year winner for 14 years in a row for no reason !
The Nissan Sentra and Altima SE-R are sick I rolled my spec V best FWD car for sure
Sentra se-r= same interior quality/cabin quality of life as a skyline... Don't meet your heros lol
The low oil pressure is probably from the gallery gaskets, it will also cause lower power too
These cars had the DE engines. Not known for gallery gasket issues. It’s likely just because it’s a DE and they burn oil like a mofo
I didn't see how low it got, but 15-25 at idle is pretty normal for vq's once up to temp. That's probably much lower than they are used to seeing.
I heard them say 5psi, but that was probably a bit of an exaggeration.
@@Frankenslide I have an SE R and first of all that gauge isn't super accurate, second the oil pressure it was showing at operating temperature was normal. These engines run hot and yes, most will eventually burn oil like mine did. Also, the 1st gen VQ35DE had gallery gasket issues. This was later addressed in some 2nd and 3rd gen VQ35DEs.
OMG I LOVE THIS CHANNEL ITS ALWAYS FUN ITS REAL AND EVERY VIDEO YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT YOUR GOING TO GET I LOVE IT BEEN WATCHING FOR LIKE 9 YEARS I THINK NOT SURE
I always loved the SE-R, it's no slouch considering it's a 4 door altima. Great suspension, transmission and same VQ35 engine as the 350Z
Same here! My buddy had one in high school, de-badged with full bolt ons we called it the “street sweeper” because in 2011 it was quite the feelings killer for some kids😂. Imagine pulling 160+ in one if they were 6 speed like the Z too😳
@@ethanpedersen1599I like the name. I used to love seeing them because they sound sooooo good lol
Yup. And now most of us SE R owners have either 2nd or 3rd gen VQ35DE swapped our motors, and with basic bolt-ons and a dyno tune, we run an average of 300whp like mine does. A few more mods like cams, valve springs, holley intake on ethanol and you can easily hit 330-380whp screaming at 8k rpm. Also, slap in an LSD to stop those 1 wheel burnouts, and add some stiffer mounts to eliminate the wheel hop.
Love that George is completely sincere when he says man this altimas nice!!!
From 2013-2018 in Australia the Nissan altima was in our biggest national race of the year put in the v8 and just smoke the whole feild. Model number is VK56DE
Damn people are vk56 swapping altimas over there? Thats wicked, ive seen some vk56 swaps that rip its an underrated engine
@@conner768exactly the ultimas are underrated this is gonna be fun the 2.5L and the 2.0L srvc- turbo were kinda Quick 😂🤣👍
@conner768 the V8 was only in the racecar used for V8 suoercars race series don't think anyone had a V8 one on the streets especially considering there strict mod laws.
DI version of VK56 is a beast even today. Love ours in the QX80 (your Patrol I guess).
@NZstylz-r7v I just saw a legal morris minor with LS swap on the weekend...plated and legal.
Your argument is thin.
In Australia
If you guys end up with some extra parts my younger brother has an 08 Altima in the Tampa Bay area that he keeps alive through pure hate and LKQ parts. I call it the Whip of Theseus since it probably has parts from 20 different Altimas. 300K miles, 2 transmissions, and horrific blow-by, it still runs and drives. Great video!
15 min vid on the 2 channel let’s goooo!
OMG this gives me such a high school Friday nights vibe. LOVE IT!!!
My first car was a 06 Altima SER loved it.. Those front and rear bumpers, tails, headlights are SER specific and no longer available for nissan. I can't believe I'm defending an altima right now but those parts are hard to find and worth a decent penny now.. also if you wanted do the NWP Engineering VIAS block off plate on the intake manifold, you lose some bottom end but the car wakes up a lot at the top of the rev range.. might help ya during the race!
NWP lol, haven't heard that name in a long time. You don't need the block plate. You can just take the flaps out of the butterfly valve. What's more serious is the low oil pressure at idle which this gen VQ is known for.
The Altima hate is totally unjustified. They're cheap and fairly reliable. Even the CVTs can last if you cool them or bother to change the fluid often enough. There's a reason why there's so many out there
@@williwonti I don't like the hate around them either. But... I had an 03 SE 3.5 auto and it was a fun car but far from reliable. The 4 speed was garbage. Had to replace it after 3 years of ownership. Tried the drop resistor mod. Tried the transgo valve body mod. Ended up replacing it altogether. It had timing chain noise as well and burned through 3 litres of oil every 5,000 km's. Couldn't get rid of the P0011 code and the rear cat off the manifold disintegrated. All well know issues for the Altima (and Maxima). It's the car I owned for the least amount of time in my life - just shy of 4 years.
I had one as well, it was alot of fun - mine was a 6spd.
Back in the day my buddy’s Dad worked at the Smyrna Nissan plant as a quality control engineer testing parts they were considering for the Altimas. His test process was to install the parts on a car and enter it in various types of races around the county- track, strip, auto cross. The cars actually held up and garnered some respect.
Hard park the spark!
Still cant believe someone hasn't bought a maxima and switched the badges
Jackstand will be the one
I had a 95 maxima, and it ripped
My parents had a maxima back like 15 years ago, i drove it a few times and it was shockingly fast. They sold it within a couple years because it started shifting funny, like any smart nissan owner should do lol
Absolutely epic 👍 see you all very soon it's going to be an amazing year
You ever see that old video where the guy with a Altima and a mustache gaps a Porsche? Rowing them gears 😂😂
It's actually a maxima. I watch that video every so often.
I see that clip like once a year somewhere. It inspired a guy I know to build a 700+ whp maxima. I don't think it's run in years, but It sure looked cool on the dyno, about the only place it ever ran. 😂
It's awesome you guys are doing altimas for some reason I've always liked that year of the ser altima lol
Now we know who will drop out of the race early with horrendous rod nock: Ol' Cleet 😀
No hard park the spark today. Was worming to see if you got it yet. Maybe next video, I love all the the fun you have with the guys around you
That clutch is hating life in cleetus's altima!
Never seen these guys so happy and smiling and laughing
Big Altima Energy
My Favorite thing about this video, was hearing that Tickets Sell out.
That is awesome!!
George’s mustache is looking amazing 👍
Charcoal caterpillar.
Gonna be in Daytona on Saturday the 15th of February to cheer Cleetus on in the ARCA Race! Let's Go Brother! As Always, May God Bless you and yours! 😇
I've been re watching a lot of your old videos. George challenged Paul to a race in the MD. Keen to see that 😅😅
Hell yeah brother!! Dew it for Dale!!!
Damn, the price of the alitma is going to go out the roof
I had a 95 Altima with a 5 speed and a nitrous kit completely hidden. It would beat mustangs at the time. I would go through a bottle every weekend street racing. It was such a fun car.
Seeing all you guys packed into an Altima was legendary
You guys are crazy 😂. I love all the different content. It’s the best. 😊🎉
Only Cleetus would make me want to get an Altima!! 😂
Ok Stafford has improved that facility 100 fold, it’s vy nicely up grade everything, they have been working all season, BigAl California thanks
an OG first gen manual altima would crush all these new altimas... if any of them still existed
Power to weight
A first gen altima with a 3.5 swap maybe, the stock 2.4L barely makes over 100whp lol. Anyone coming with anything less than a 3.5L is getting smoked. SE-R 6spd and Coupe 6spd are the two best options without question.
And for anyone coming with an Automatic there is a plug for the resistor, remove it and it runs transmission line at full pressure, can also wire in a WOT switch, but it will instant shift and outshift the manuals every single time lol
@@UsaRubber Back in the day those vic interceptors thought the same thing if you know what I'm saying. They were wrong too.
@@SovaKlr I dont know what you're saying tbh. All I know is a 2.4l 3000 lb car that is rated at 150 crank hp isnt beating a 3.5l 3300lb car rated at 270chp lol..
They are a hilarious group the way they all feed off each other is great then you have the laid back wise old man mr. Sam. He is the guy i would like to meet the most
LS George shaved the lower part of his gotee off. LOL He really needs to quit using a Sharpie to color it. Ha ha ha
he had a perfect goatee too. it was clean
I thought it was black shoe polish 😂
As a former altima owner this is great 👍
i will be amazed if even one makes to the end lmfao
if a ford can do it these got it all day long brother
Put a wrap on that altima and it would look brand new. The interior at first glance looks flawless.
This is going to be the ALTIMA-te Race!
brother as soon as those new england 900 tickets were announced for sale, i bought them that day cant friggan wait.
That click at 1:35 is actually normal. My maxima used to make the same noise.
I actually owned an altima ser just like that back in the day. Those were really good cars. Surprisingly quick and handled good too. Sounded nice too! My buddy had one with full suspension, exhaust, and it was supercharged. Ultimate grocery getting sleeper! These were built before Nissan went to shit. I also owned a 97 maxima 5 speed. I bought it with like 20k miles. Best daily driver ever! They don't make them like they used to!
Already got tickets for the Freedom 500! Super pumped!
2:44 "I dont even know what that means" took me out brother! 😂
Little known secret. Nissan Altima is one of the most underrated off road vehicles of all time. I took a rental 30 miles onto Rubicon territory abandoned logging roads, and it handled the trail and the abuse like a champ. 😅
Altima coupe is only like 200ish lbs heavier than the Altima SER. I’ve never driven either but the way the weight transfers might be a bigger factor here than the weight alone. Just my initial thoughts.
A lot of big energy in this video.
If the ultimate race goes well, let it McFarlie 100% should do a Pontiac G6 race like 90 G6’s
I got the same color SE-R but mine is a 5AT (it's faster than the 6MT) nice to see yall showing them some love to them
The Altima SE-R is 260 horsepower not 245, that's the 2003/2004 the 2005 has 250 horsepower
2005 has 4500 SE-Rs and the Black is the 2nd rarest color behind the Code Red
2006 has 5000
Those cars are Very rare do not mess it up cleet!
I use to have one of these for 6 years! Was one of my favorite cars!
"every seat filled without the bumper cover" was def the right words thats how it be
Altima, Rangers, and Crown Vic owners can thank this man for single handedly raising their cars resale value.
Sounds great. Have fun everybody!!!!
I had a 03 3.5 just take the air filter and straight pipe it all the way. That's how I had mine it popped good lol. You guys are going to have a blast with those units.😂
This man has the power to raise the price of any model of used car in the United States he chooses. Mad man.
love seeing all these guys figuring out the ser wasnt a bad car and james just being like, bro i been tellin you
Looking forward to it!! See y’all very soon! 🚁😊
I had a 97 with the 2.4l. I was quite shocked with that little pos. Never thought it could smoke a lancer, it did though. It also didn't have a governer in it. It shifted into its final gear right before it maxed the speedo, but the rpm's would still climb. I kind of wish I still had it.
Cletus drives a 5000 hp drag car. I love how he’s so impressed by the Ultima that’s some good Acting cleet.
Good luck with the Ranger Race after those Altimas oil down the track!!!