Australia's Defence Policy Explained | Utopia
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Season 3 Episode 7: On The Defence
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Set inside the offices of the “Nation Building Authority”, a federal government organisation responsible for overseeing major infrastructure projects, Utopia explores that moment when bureaucracy and grand dreams collide.
Starring Rob Sitch, Celia Pacquola, Dave Lawson, Kitty Flanagan, Anthony 'Lehmo' Lehmann, Luke McGregor, Dilruk Jayasinha, Nina Oyama.
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A new season of Utopia is coming Wednesday 7 June 8pm to ABC TV + iview! 🏢
This is very exciting news!!
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You blokes couldn't have asked for better marketing, could you? :D
Genuine question, did Germany do trade with Russia, or France, or the UK, or the USA before the world wars?
@@liamrmorgans921 Yeah...
The biggest issue I have with Utopia, is how accurately it represents working in the public service. I feel like it triggers my internal trauma every episode.
The only issue is that the Rob Stitch character has common sense. It would be more like the real world if no one had common sense.
Completely agree.
@@yumsy37 Bit more than that actually. His character is perceived to have common sense, only for you to realise he is just like the rest of them except he is the least worst.
I've often said that Utopia is not a comedy/satire; its a public service training film! Many of the situations and events reflected in these episodes are direct reflections of my lived experience in the NSW PS. I just want to know who told working dog about them?!?! 🙂 Triggers my PTSD!
@@gromit368 I still think that Yes Minister and Yes Prime Minister is better at telling you why things are they way they are while Utopia is more about highlighting the most absurd moments.
This series might be really famous in Australia.. But this genius needs to be known in whole world....really underrated
Genius and Utopia should never be used in the same sentence.
I have all the seasons on DVD, including the earlier version, Hollowmen (?) and what I could bare of Rose-haven.
Then I have the complete series of Yes Minister and Yes Prime Minister from the late 1970s / early 1980s.
To, the Australian writers .......... I get what you have tried to do.......... but, the comedy / satire misses the mark by a bloody country mile.
It's worth noting that it's called "Dreamland" for international audiences and "Utopia" for the Australian market
This could only come from the capital of AfDanistan, Melbourne. Yes, they really are a bunch of clowns. Intelligence will never penetrate that far flung sh1thole.
@@andrewsmith8729 As Rob Sitch said in an interview 8 years ago, "We don 't write comedy, we make observations." The comedy arises because of the real absurdity that exists within government. You don't need a farce like "Yes, Minister" to highlight it, you just need to put it on show.
Agreed, once I discovered this show, got a VPN and asked my Aussie buddies for a pw so can watch it. It's just too damn good.
The problem with Utopia is it feels too accurate
Almost profetic. I can't watch anymore Simpsons, or Capusotto (argentinian), because what was intended to be a healthy eye-opener failed.
It's honestly hard to get through an episode after working in the public sector so long
@@JackBaker954 it gives me anxiety
I now cant unhear Future Funds after watching Utopia
I worked for the government for 35 years…every episode I watch, I just nod AND shake my head at the same time.
I grew up in the 90s watching repeats of Yes, Minister, and this show sometimes manages to reach that exalted level. This is a *great* scene.
The brilliance of British writing compared to this cheap crap? you really must be a moron.
Reach or exceed
@@jasmeenmalhotra2225 yes, indeed, your curry is made in a hurry
We're in agreement really, but I'd say they're pretty much on par, just a slight difference in style..
Yes, Minister shows the history is repeating itself
and this episode is about 3 years old - both brilliant and timeless :-)
and scary... the defence spending they are discussing is the same as what we are now on the hook for with these US nuclear subs... this episode aired in 2017.
It ages like a fine wine
Amazing how our government ended up signing a $386 billion deal. Perhaps they watched this satire and thought $400 billion is out limit. Lets not go over it :)
@@medved4030 probably where they got the idea from
3 years old?.. are you sure?.. then, "working dog" has someone spying for them.. ha ha ha.. deep inside the government..
"I wouldn't want to raise tensions"
"Where?"
"In this room"
Gets me every time.
This was produced in 2017! How did they know it was close to $400billion? 🔮😆✨
In 2017 this was satire. In 2021 it became painful reality.
what reality
@@chenliu397 AUKUS Submarine deal
This joke never gets old
@@utkarsharyanbargain that deal
@@FUnzzies1 only became painful reality you unfortunately wake into.
Seriously, Rob Sitch is a national treasure.
holy crap didn't realise it was him until i saw this .... changed alot since frontline
Agreed, actor, writer, director, he does it all.
He is a legend for sure
and those 2 other guys, Santo and ?
@@kparker2430 Tony Martin
"Shall we use the nod system" so good!
Been doing it since 1986 with the D-Generation. You can never go wrong with Working Dog. They never let you down.
"Champagne comedy!"
The Dish is my favourite Aussie movie. The Castle is fantastic too and one of the most quotable movies (and I lived in Coolaroo myself for 14 years). Russell Coight is classic. And I reckon Frontline is by far the best Aussie comedy series ever made. Everything they touch turns to gold.
The D-Generation was funny, Utopia is more like torture though.
Utopia wasn’t a comedy, it was a documentary.
This joke never gets old
Nation building....Nation building.....etc etc....
Same as Idiocracy.
Reminds me of a company who spent millions over 5 years on a rostering tool. It was never going to work as not all attachments were initially purchased but the HR mandarins pressured for success. Every minor positive was praised and any realistic feedback was labelled as 'not being onboard'. In the end it was replaced by an excel spreadsheet developed by a payroll staff member in her spare time!
This is legit how getting anywhere productive in the Australian Army felt for nearly 20 years… especially the last 10
you mean practically nonexistent and goes further into some sort of sick gov welfares program like a hospital without patient and doctors that somehow spend 7 figures each year
AUKUS submarines deal says hi!
This show is virtually a doco. So close to the bone, every damn episode and every damn character. I don't know how Working Dog does it time after time, show after show. Genius level.
Exactly, we pay 30 million for the each Sub and another 30 billion for back door/ protection money
Well it is still an ABC show, my guess is they just change a few names from an ABC think tank or board meeting and bingo a new episode.
The subs that you are saving money on? The subs cheaper by magnitudes over the French subs you were supposed to buy?
@@FUnzzies1 They weren't paying for the sub you imbecile.
They were paying for a direct, cooperative alliance with a local power that was independent from the USA and the ability to make more sub from the line.
The f*cking deal was to basically create the whole damn industry near Perth. Nothing remotely close to the shakedown the US sold about sub they'll probably never gives.
This show is absolutely spot on - hilarious yet scary how accurate it is at the same time 😂
The US says "jump!" and Australia asks "how high?" - very sad.
Yes ,at last ,the inner working mind of Australian defense strategists
I love utopia, I just wish it wasn't so close to reality.
the general trend is that comedy has to increase its ridiculousness in order to keep its lead over reality lol
ITS COMPLETELY INNACURATE
No relationship to reality at all
Putins reality...
I have watched this clip a million times and it gets me every time
There are few programs on television that are able to make me laugh out loud! But Utopia does it every time. The implications of the searing insight into government decision-making are, at times, both hilarious and terrifying.
Does How I Met your Mother also make you laugh out loud?
OMFG you actually did it. It's sad how well this sketch has aged word for word.
Why because it makes the guy saying that we shouldn't protect our borders look stupid when he can't protect peoples houses from kids 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@Bennie32831 what?
This comment aged like milk. China thanks you for letting them buy your government.
When it was made, it was meant to be sarcasm and people laughed. And today, they put this into real action.
Major reason why onion news stopped being funny and started being horrifying. Reality started imitating sarcasm
This ignorance is terrifying.
I'm glad we still have Mike Moore to explain this stuff to us
He’s on the Frontline, that’s for sure…
Love the dry comedy. Please keep making more episodes.
Grew up with Frontline, loved The Hollowmen and adore Utopia, I could not be more excited for season 3. I have to ask though, is there anywhere we can listen to the Utopia credits music on its own? It's such a great tune.
S01E07 has the credits tune by itself :)
This video is absolutely priceless. It needs to be watched by _everyone_ in the world.
Only completely nailed it. And only what Paul Keating was saying recently in his usual inimitable manner (jeez I mis him).
Except no.
Trade routes are merely an element of regional politics and military tensions.
Good to be reductive in comedy, but pretending this is the reality is stupid at best.
@@S3NTRY trade routes that are currently and wouldn’t be at risk at least from the Chinese end because they do live on that? We already see how the Chinese attack trade with Australia: by cancelling their order and buying from someone else. A press conference, some phone calls to cancel their import orders and make new ones, and that policy was set. Ain’t got anything to do with “freedom of navigation” and defending trade routes from the evil Chinaman. If it were, it’ll be Southeast Asia who would be crying foul. Except, they’re the ones who don’t complain, they’re the ones who continue to reap the benefits of trade with China, and they’re the ones who condemned AUKUS involvement. All despite their actual maritime border disputes with China.
You say this is too reductive, but really, it is how the Australian govt presented this situation today and how they justify their response that is making it seems overcomplicated. When having to be held accountable over their decisions, they just claim it’s too complicated to keep the voters off their backs.
You guys have to pump these episodes and series out.. easily one of the best shows ever made
This is basically what Mr Keating said.
i missed the part where he left out that china would never attempt to bully us with their military. I mean taiwan is doing just fine! China doesnt do anything dangerous to them like fire missiles, fly planes or practice wargames about invading them.
the guy who said wars will only ever be fought with missiles and GPS? yeah no the dude is old and out of touch
@@braydoxastora5584 really?! Manned vehicles in warfare is finished. Humans are a liability on the battlefield.
@@phillipgilmore8379 ...? what references do you have to come that conclusion ? literally all of the worlds arms procurement and development goes against what you just said
@@braydoxastora5584 Really?! In Ukraine they have been using kamikaze drones to great success against soft human targets. Unmanned fighter jets can out turn and kill ANY manned fighter by pulling 15g. Its simple maths. Military equipment ALWAYS is virtually out of date by the time it hits the market. And, surely, you can see its common sense. Humans on the front will always be the weakest link.
Utopia is, I believe, the perfect comedy. It makes you roar with laughter, it makes you cringe alongside its characters, and it straddles the line between parody and reality flawlessly.
Mike Moore always asks the hard hitting questions...................
One of Australia's best investigative journalists.
Been a while since I saw this. Truer today than years ago.
Oh man, if it wasn't so funny I'd cry! Been watching these guys since the very first episode of the Late Show, and have never really got over it :)
Moving quickly from AUKUS to SCREWUS.
USUKA
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha , very funny, I like it..
@@oldmate99 🤣🤣🤣👍..
@@oldmate99 Wish I could give you more than a 👍
Yeah! Losing our political and economic autonomy as well as freedom of navigation and territory to China will show those damn Yanks!
Yep, I remember that episode. Bang on. These days, though, it is sadly a bit more complex.
There have been moments in my professional life where I have had to turn around to make sure the Utopia production crew wasn't standing behind me filming.
Best show ever. A direct reflection of Government.
Such a brilliantly written and acted scene, top work from all involved.
I look forward to scrolling down and reading the highly educated and very well informed comments regarding our current strategic situation and recently announced naval procurement program from people who believe that our national defense policy should basically consist of being super nice to everyone all the time and that's about it, or that we should be singlehandedly producing every bit of equipment required by all branches of our ADF locally here in Australia. Somehow. While spending significantly less on defense than we are. Somehow.
Yeah, hang on a sec. Think the bloke down the road's got some of that. He'll just pull it out from his coight. Just as soon as he pulls his head away from the idiot box.
How about just being a sovereign nation with an independent foreign policy and stop doing everything the United Snakes "asks". Far beyond "allies" and "friends", and more into lapdog and vassal territory.
Los Europeos hemos puesto el listón muy alto en esto de ser tontos. Y vosotros lo habéis superado. Esta es la triste realidad del club de vasallos de Londres y Washington.
Well said
@@carlosduran7800 Si vas a entablar amistad con un acosador, también podrías elegir a los acosadores más grandes de la habitación como tus amigos. ;)
También hay beneficios económicos en esto, o al menos ese es el plan. Salud
Edit: lol... google translate dijo "acosador"... quise decir "tipo duro", me entiendes. :)
Even the amount is correct. The 8 subs will cost 380 billion.
The price of the subs will double or triple before delivery.
Yes!! As the sabre rattling reached fever pitch over these last weeks, I recalled this scene! Thanks for posting it.
2023 and this still looks legit as f*** 😂😂
GOLD! Absolute comedy GOLD!! Subscribed!!
Protecting our trade with China - from China. I've had the same thought.
I'd love to add a LOL emoji - but I can't.
I prefer Tony when he was The Hollow Men version - he would have written the white paper!
They did. They made an advertisement that pissed off everyone except for the target demographic for military recruitment
@@jamesperkins191 yeah, that's the episode I was referring to
OMG Brilliant!!!
Just an awesome show. So miss The Late Show, best Saturday (any) night entertainment ever.
How good is this. Subscribed!
When art imitates life.
Tell me it's true they're doing a new season.
Art doesn't usually imitate life 4 years early
Odd is understatement-as long as they nod😂
So excited for the new series. This is great television at its greatest!!
Excited ABOUT the new series. You can feel feelings FOR people, but not things.
Utopia is a great documentary series...
I wonder if there really are people in authority in the public service who question government policy. I never saw one in the 20 years I was there. In fact, you dont see them in most organisations. The people who get to positions of authority are there because they DONT question. I think Rob would have copped a forced redundancy payout after week 1 of the first series....
Australia's defense policy is to pray that America helps us
and their policy is ensuring we are fighting for them
Well I suppose if you use American spelling, you may well be right?
And in the future will be to pray they don't flip the remote control system on their/our submarines.
Pray, without d “r” is, PAY.
Allow me to engage in this hilariously alarmist discussion for a quick second.
Suppose we told America to go and get stuffed from a strategic/military procurement perspective.
What happens next? Take your time, think it through, then get back to me.
The problem is I can never find Utopia - always keep looking for it in the documentary section 🧐
Considering the price Australia is going to spend on 3 Virginia-class SSNs and eventually in its 8 Aukus SSNs... 360 billion AUD...🤣😂
over 30 years
Isn't the "big invasion" meant to happen soon?@@braydoxastora5584
The most frightening aspect of this open source look at our defence is that there is a chance that our enemies could use these secrets anytime before the new subs come and run riot. And we have Albo as the warrior in chief, thanks for service ScoMo. Without you the bald and shiny may have made it, but alas, I'll bet, you are even now plotting your return to help your mate, in his tears.
Military hardware only gets you so far, training and command structure goes a long way too, that's why it would make sense to invest in hardware that lasts 30 to 50 years now to be prepared for tensions in the next 10 to 40 years.
And I would totally expect from modern militaries to plan or at least play through scenarios where partners turn against each other. It's not as if the USA is not pushing everybody to ditch China as it sees it could threaten their dominance, and although a scenario where AUS would have to confront the USA is even more unlikely, it does bear keeping in mind that D. Trump was willing to shake alliances in a major way with severe consequences for "the World Order" so in diplomacy too nothing lasts forever.
But this is neither here nor there, I am just now discovering the show and I subscribe wholeheartedly.
Who the hell are your enemies? You're literally far away from everyone and have trade relations with all your neighbors. Are all Westerners this dumb to just be fearmongered into submission and following the U.S. party line?
@@lxndrlbr The us is notoriously ruthless to its "friends" when it perceives disloyalty or sees them drifting away from their sphere of interest (or even just exercising the most basic national-self interest instead of prioritizing america's)
I mean look at what they did to Gough Whitlam
Lol mate our enemies don't need to do anything. They just sell us stuff while we collapse our country and they keep buying out infrastructure and mineral rights.
Gee timing couldn't be better....
Not ironic at all
And bang on the money cos it Gunna run over budget cos inflation over 30nyrs
The only problem with utopia is that more that satyr and comedy it ends up as a faithful representation of working in a public space
And that triggers my bad memories about it
Took the words out of my mouth!
People mistake this show for a comedy. It is actually a documentary.
You are so original
Life imitates art
This channel should have subscribers equal to the population of Australia!
Classic act! Just Brilliant!
The pig iron dispute occurred almost 55 years ago. How history is forgotten and is doom to repeat and how our freedoms fought for can be taken away.
Boycott against Japan in 1939 bears no relevance to Australia - China relationship today 😂
@@johnyossarian9059 Supply for militarism is relevant.
With Utopia , I'm never sure if I'm watching a satire or an actual documentary.
The Hollowmen was the true successor of Yes Prime minister!
I thought this was a documentary about Australia's current AUKUS submarine deal. 😂
It is.
It was first aired years beforehand.
Funny cause it's true.
Still hits the bullseye.
lol funny though kind of also missing a few key points:
1) it is not to defend trade routes but to deter invasion and aggression for AU and its allies (which includes Taiwan)
2) China increasing economic leverage on smaller countries and building of offshore bases could change the power structure in the Pacific region
Um, Taiwan is part of China. The UN says so. The USA says so. Shit, even Taiwan's own constitution says so. Nearly the entire world accepts the One China principle.
China has never threatened Australia, nor any other country, in the last 44 years (since 1979). How many countries have USA and NATO threatened?
Offshore bases? That's hilarious. How many military bases does the USA have all around the world? 800?
Taiwan is NONE of australia's business, there has been no ceasefire declared between taiwan and AUstralia recognizes the one china policy.
Shall we use the nod system? 🤣
what was Australia's biggest trading partner before WW2?
Pretty sure it was the UK
Spot on
Best line: 'In this room!'
Why then is china building a base in Solomon Islands
Is that what sky told you?
They're not, and the only thing that would change that is if we started gearing up to go to war on America's behalf. Oh, wait...
@@freedumb_3.0Please tell us the arrangement. Enlighten us with your empty rhetoric.
@@S3NTRY the average sky news viewers holds a high school degree or less. Works a low skill job and thinks the world rigged against them. Although they just started their job, they think they can do a better job than their manager. They often work hard and never get promoted, and they don't know why. It's because these people are unteachable. They refuse to be open minded and think they are so smart. So, why bother.
How prescient is this scene. In less than two minutes it exposes the absurdity of Australia joining AUKUS and committing to spend $368 billion on submarines.
Prior to WW1 the largest trading partner of the UK was Germany.
Prior to WW2 Japan's largest trading partner was the US.
3 years ago the globe was rocked by the most intense pandemic since the Spanish Flue, and when asking for an investigation into the source of this pandemic Australia was sanctioned for daring to talk out of line with the CCP. Why shouldn't we be equipped to defend ourselves if there's more than just sanctions next time?
How can I watch this in Canada
As a kid I waited all week for 10PM on a Saturday……. Shitscared is a national treasure. That and Governor Front Bottom of course. And Barge Arse too!
Reminds me of Milo Minderbinder in catch 22
Ironic but unfortunately is really happening and their people are not objecting☹
@@snarkywombat155 dumbest comment ever.
@@snarkywombat155 you made the dumbest comment ever.
It's hilarious... but the not spoken thing here is the desire to remain a Chinese trading partner and not a Chinese vassal state.
This is like another Yes, Minister.
Comedy writers get it. Yet a panel of "defence experts" and politicians who are paid a lot of money don't. :)
One name: Andrew Shearer.
this is ALL LOGICAL POLICY of COLLECTIVE WEST . is missing ONE BIG QUESTION on the end . if THEY SPEND SO MUCH , on behalf of STUPID IDEEA , WHO BENEFIT ?
The shareholders that own the military contractors where the bulk of the budget will go. Same contractors that are behind a bulk of the funding behind both political parties and where many of these politicians will take cushy well-paying jobs after they leave office.
Beautiful
Where can I get a copy of this documentary??
This actually helped me realize why we need to defend against our "biggest" trading partner. We have the resource wealth they want to trade for, therefore that also makes it way more strategically viable for them to muscle us for those resources.
Yeah but I doubt most people here get that though. Amusing skit though.
They also made it clear during the last three years that they can get it from other places, like Brazil.
I still don't understand your point...... If China wants to show muscle by reducing trade to put pressure on Australia, especially on the economy, how can strengthening the defence capability help resolve this problem? By deploying nukes near the Chinese border and threatening them to buy more resources from Australia?........
A trillion dollar invasion, across 3000 kilometres of pacific ocean, to seize assets that they can just buy at market prices....
Are? You? High?
I'm sure a couple of submarines delivered in 2050 would easily hold off the Chinese military.
If this wasn’t true it would be hilarious
It isn't true, and it's still hilarious.
I love the outro music
If you want to see how Austalian politics works, watch Hollowmen. Also with the brilliant Rob Sitch.
Austalian defence policy:
Lets order submarines that are Nuclear powered, pay $600 million extra to change them to WW2 vintage battery/diesel, then cancel the order pay the $600 million for NOTHING. Then order Nuclear powered submarines from the U.S.A.
Next: Send troops overseas, when they return continually investigate them to see if there's any reason they can be prosecuted for not playing fair against an enemy that forced children to carry I.E.D.'s in an attempt to kill them, used roadside bombs to kill discrimately, and infiltrated Afgan troops to enable the killing of many Australians who there to train them. Take months to make the decision on when firing weapons is acceptable (while sitting behind a desk thousands of klm's from danger) when the troops only had milliseconds, then prosecute individuals as often as possible, but take years to do it, abandon anyone charged to the M.S.M. to cover the butts of the brass, then wonder why it's hard to fill recruitment targets.
It's funny 'cos it's true!
The rest of the English speaking world needs to see this... it is exquisite.
That is down under gold my Ozmen
Maybe this is the most stupid idea but the General has a point in being reluctant to publicly name the threat to Australia's national interests.
By arming rapidly, rival nations risk scaring the other, so even if it was unintended, the other rival nation might interpret the first nation arming as a direct threat to itself, and arm itself more vigorously.
Eventually this security dilemma becomes a security spiral.
People aren't dumb. Even if you don't explicitly state it and put on a friendly face. People can pick up on actions and social cues that will give away their true intentions. Same applies to nations.
@@robincray116 Surprisingly enough, nations often have leadership who are completely stupid and set off security dilemma spirals by being too paranoid
The point is though, the more obvious and apparent you make it that you feel threatened. The more the other party will themselves feel threatened and arm themselves@@robincray116
Because America wants this and we obey them whatever you say boss 😂
If only someone would do a skit about AUKUS
😂😂😂😂 I can’t even with this show
I really hate this clip, but it does help show the insidiousness of political comedy.
In 2010 Ukraine was Russia's 3rd biggest importer, not to mention the entire Russian economy was reliant on European oil sales. Didn't do anything to stop them invading Ukraine.
But you wouldn't see that kind of discussion here, because these sock puppets are actors and they are there to propagate the writers political message. A message that none of you will question, because when you present a claim as a joke your first reaction is to laugh along with it not question it.
The wild insinuation that China is looking to potentially invade Australia is just more proof of white delusion and the projection of white guilt lmfao
My question to you is why then do you not prepare yourself for a military invasion by the US? (Or any other country for that matter).
You whole argument is based on a WHAT-IF scenario. What if China invades Australia.
So what if the US invades Australia? Why not prepare yourself for an invasion?
I'm an ethnic Chinese brought up in the West. I can read both Chinese and English. And I read /watch news, etc A LOT from both China and the West.
I can't imagine how bizarre and idiotic the idea is that China would go all the way to Australia to invade Australia!
I can't imagine you would not think the same if you were in that situation.
@@GL-yt How about Rothchilds delusions( they are jewish) they own the western capitalist system under wef management. In any case i doubt the chinese are free of racism, even the chinese diaspora in Taiwan, singapore, malaysia, indonesia are less racist that chinese from china.
@@GL-yt "White guilt" it has nothing to do with whatever you seem to think that is, and everything to do with the fact that the US has their hand so far up our ass that it's in our mouth.
Your comment completely misses the mark on basically every issue raised. Europe always had the US to look to, and Russia always had alternative markets. Sure, Australia has India as an alternative, but why sell to India if we get higher profits from trading with China? Why sabotague our relationship with China by riding the US-line foreign policy when we could be considerably more wealthy, sovereign and free making our own policy?
The inflamatory situation of the coup in 2014 is what sparked the decision by the Russian government to first sanction-proof their economy before they conducted any invasion, which is why Russia waited until 2022 to invade.
China doesn't seek war with Australia, and it would be quite obvious if they were planning to (which they're not, because they don't really gain anything out of it except for a one-way ticket to nuclear war)
It is also obvious that 90% of Chinese "encroachment" against Australia can easily be explained by the fact that we somehow always end up in less-than-desirable geopolitical situations in relation to China because of the foreign policy decisions made in obedience with the US ruling class.
Are your handlers mad that people are realising and are waking up to the completely one-sided relationship that Australia (and much of the west) has with the ruling elites in America? It's not bad enough that they indirectly get involved in our policymaking, but furthermore literally send the CIA to spy on our politicians as soon as they sense a crumb of dissent. And the fact that people like you defend it so vehemntly is sickening. Are you even Australian?