THAT OTHERS MAY LIVE: US Air Rescue Service In Korea
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- Combat Search and Rescue is one of the most dramatic and important aspects of a modern air force. As such it is easy to assume that it has always been part of the force mix. But in reality, the tactics and equipment of a modern CSAR force first came together as an integrated whole in the Korean War. This video looks at the origins of the concept in World War Two and then delves into the evolution of the US Air Rescue Service in Korea. Some of the stories are Boy's Own stuff - quite remarkable!
I hope you enjoy watching this one as much as I enjoyed making it. One of my favourites to date!
Notes:
That Others May Live, USAF Air Rescue in Korea by Forrest L Marion is an excellent foundation in the topic
The story of Boots Blesse's rescue, which inspired this episode, is told in the excellent podcast, Warriors In Their Own Words: Maj. Gen. Frederick “Boots” Blesse (Part I): “The Korean War”, first released on 7th July 2022
Donald Michaelis Silver Star citation: www.koreanwar-educator.org/top...
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How did they recruit search and rescue pilots? "You'll fly low, slow and can't shoot back and likely die of hypothermia if you go down in water but if you survive...Ice cream." Well sign me up Bubba. Brave men. Maybe crazy and brave. Balls of Steel.
Voluntold
Listen to Sabaton’s song The Ballad of Bull. The bravery was incredible.
Well it’s the same type of person that today would volunteer for EMS in hazardous environments like jungles, alpine or rescue swimmers
They chose those with the biggest balls.
@@jlvfr
Must have had to build bigger planes to accommodate them!
B 26 Marauders were all retired 3 years before Korea . You must mean Douglas B26 Invaders .
Further confusing as the (now) B-26 Invader had debued as the A-26 Invader during the Second World War, the designation changing afterwards.
A common error. Funnily enough, I didn't even hear the "Marauder" part for myself - just the "B-26" part and immediately thought 'Invader', because that's what were flying out there. Queer, isn't it?
@user-xt1xb6gt2v at least it's not the M-1 invader
@@AndrewGivensthe 1st one i heard I was like huh? He must have meant the invader, but I heard it the second time. And I was like, nope!! He fell into the Douglas\Martin B-26 pit trap. :D Even including a picture of a Martin B-26 in the video.
This is the kind of mistake that is so basic that it can easily call into question other information that some of us may not be familiar with. I also immediately questioned reference to a "Marauder". It wouldn't have been so bad if it weren't for the second reference with an actual photo showing a damaged Marauder, of course also without the red bars in the national insignia. Definitely a WWII photo. It is difficult to gain trust over time, but so easily is it lost.
Poking fun at the USAF is a main source of entertainment for the other armed services, until the ARRS and PJs are mentioned. One of the world's truly elite military units, whose primary mission is SAVING lives. EVERYBODY loves PEDRO. 😎
Love the old movie The Bridges at Toko Ri for a dramatization of SR and the largely unknown Korean tactical air war. William Holden stars in the lead.
With Mickey Rooney flying 8:12 close enough to that helicopter.
Search this. The Bridges at Toko Ri 1954 Search and Rescue William Holden, Grace Kelly, Mickey Rooney
@@m1t2a1Yes, indeed. Gotta say, Devotion wasn't bad either for its portrayal of the tactical air war in Korea.
I also recently watched an old B&W movie about Korean war SR, but it was a unit which had some Chickasaws, along with a very rogue pilot who no-one liked flying with. Good scene where they coordinated with an Albatross too.
Fantastic movie, and very rare to see F-9's and Essex class carriers in a movie together.
Thanks, man. I'm a former 67th ARRS member, and although I served many years after Korea, the pride is still there. It also feels good knowing the pregnant angels are still upholding the motto "That others may live". Cheers
What years with the 67th? I was there at Woodbridge from September 1972 to 1974. I worked in the Avionics Doppler shop when the HH-53s still had their doppler and the C-130s.
I too take pride in having worn that patch and the motto itself, even now it still guides me.
@@jamesberwick2210 '77 and '78. Whilst there, we got three more HH-53s, but lost one in Stuttgart (no casualties, just a broken finger). All got the "new" Pave Low III mod. I was Comm/Nav/Doppler/Electrics. Good times!!
And one must always be on the lookout for Jolly Green footprints left in the office by some disgruntled PJ.
There is a cemetery near where I work and buried there is an airman of the ARS who died in Korea during the war. Thank you for telling the story of those who flew into harm's way with intent to save lives at great risk to their own.
We surely don’t learn that by watching
the 📺 MASH series.
This is now my favorite channel. By covering less-well-known topics in depth, you really give us a lot of new knowledge. Not just a different “take” on old topics. Keep it up, please.
Looking forward to "Part 2 - The Vietnam Years" 😉
That is most definitely the plan!
@notapound Then you need to read the book Maverick about an American helicopter pilot. He talks about a number of rescue missions and a few he himself was involved in including him using his Cobra to rescue some lads.
The Jolly green giant with the radial was a much loved craft and he goes into why as well as how their crews were nothing short of absolute Mad Lads!🫡
Fantastic book sure to bring a few laughs and tears😢
I’d call the “ransoms” well deserved for services rendered
It’s nice to hear a Brit talk about US history with such interest and respect
Drachinifel wants to marry the US Navy of WWII, so that's a second.
Excellent Presentation - thankyou - I am91 Korean war Vet Air Force Ground Radio Opr --20 yr Retired Thank God for You telling the world that the Korean War HAPPENED !
Mr. Ivanhicks887,
those who want to erase the Korean War from American 🇺🇸
Memory so that they could later
rewrite it as a shameful chapter
of America 🇺🇸 History,
had tried to substitute it with the foul & vilely obscene 📺 MASH
series.
A whole generation of young Americans had their minds perverted with the poison ☠️ distillated
by this anti-cultural MASH filth.
Making it the only thing Americans know of the Korean
War.
Fortunately, the Republic Of Korea Good People Always
Remember To Whom They Owe
Their Freedom.
GOD BLESS You, sir,
For your Service To The Cause Of FREEDOM.
The MASH 📺 series for decades was the only thing
Americans knew of the Korean War.
Thankyou for the most honest Testimony of The Current Miserable Culture in our Country , Promoted by those who Hate Our Freedom and Patriotic Dedication to Our Country. Many people feel as We do but are timed and cant say it! Again thankyou
@@ivanhicks887
Sir,
I am with you.
See you IN our LORD JESUS.
18:18
"A 20 foot mahogany boat would have immediately become the flagship of the North Korean navy."
* snorts *
That made me laugh to lol
I like the narrators sardonic wit. Definitely earns my sub.
This channel keeps getting better and better. Your desire to cover topics not done a hundred times before is quite refreshing and appreciated.
You did it again! 15:48 you say B-26 Marauder, it was an B-26 Invader. You made the same mistake repeatedly in your "Sagebrush" video. I swear I'm going to make a video that discusses how the A-26 Invader became the B-26 Invader in 1947 and then the A-26 Invader in the mid-60s. Otherwise, another great video.
My grandfather was a radio operator of a b17 dumbo based out of Okinawa in 1945. He was in the b17 that refueled clay tice when he ran out fuel and was the first airplane to land in Japan after the surrender. Technically this made them the second airplane to land in Japan. We still have the candy box that was mentioned in the clay tice story. My understanding is there were only 10 b17 dumbo airframes during ww2, 2 are still in existence but I’ve been unable to narrow down which airframe he flew on.
My dad was with the 4th Emergency Rescue Squadron based at Iwo Jima in March of 1945 thru the end of the war. He was a flight engineer/top turret gunner on a B17 Dumbo. His Squadron had 6 B17s and 4 OA10s (USAAF version of the PBY Catalina) they escorted many B29 raids to and from Japan and the Marianna Islands. They worked closely with navy submarines and destroyers. (The Navy had operational command of Rescue services in the Pacific. I have several hand written letters from B29 crews thank his Squadron for their rescue.
Do you have any photos or records. It’s possible my grandfather knew your dad. I have one crew photo and no names. No identifying markings on the plane in the photo. Of the 10 ww2 b17 dumbo’s 2 still exist! I would love to know one of them is my grandfathers plane.
All I know he was assigned to flight C of the 4th Emergency Rescue Squadron at Iwo.
I was just thinking My dad had told me that he hung around with the radio operator in his crew. His name was Hank Eastland. He said he'd been an animation artist before the war with Disney Studios. He also hung around with another flight engineer on OA10 named Harold Hecklinger at Iwo as well.
@@theodoreskaff1209 My grandfather was lorenzo dow mullins. I'll keep digging. Your Dad's b17 could possibly still exist. One is still flying I believe.
I was stationed with the 55th Air Rescue Sqd. from 1963 to 1966. We flew the HC-54D and the HH-19B 'chopper from '63-64.
We then got the HC-97G and the HH-43B. The HH-43B's didn't stay long about 6 or 7 months. I was a Reciprocating Aircraft Engine Mechanic and worked on the R-2000-99W(HC-54D), the R4360-59b(HC-97G) the R1300(HH-19B) and the Lycoming T-53(HH-43B).
Spent a lot of time on search missions and camera recovery for NASA. We also covered areas of the recovery zones for the Gemini capsules at that time.
I knew about the transport pods for people in the P38. You have just amazed me by showing me something I know nothing about. Very well done. I just turned notifications on for your channel.
22:50 would have been a B-26 Invader. Not a Marauder, and the photo seems to be from WWII. Following WWII the Martin B-26 was retired and the USAF did away with the A for “Attack” designation (it would later return) and the Douglas A-26 became the B-26.
Surely that didn't confuse anyone...
It's Friday morning, and you know what that means! Friday Lunch break at work with an excellent "Not a Pound" video to watch!
I love your regular selection of interesting rare topics at the edges of the common histories in times forgotten.
The old movie, "The High and the Mighty," starring John Wayne (and produced by him) has a number of scenes in it whereby a U.S. Coast Guard SB-17 provides escort to a Douglas DC-4 over the Pacific as the damaged airliner, from a runaway prop, attempts to continue to stay in the air.
I just read that book. It was better than I expected from the first few pages, nowhere near as cliche as it seems like it's going to be. The B-17 is in the book as well, although he mostly just gives some much needed moral support to the crew who are on the verge of breaking.
The curse of the B-26 strikes again 😁 as noted by others. A small aside, as nice as the photo of the 112 Sqn RAF Sabres is, the RAF pilot would have been on exchange with the USAF. I believe only the South African Air Force opersted F-86s under their own banner in Korea. Otherwise a most enjoyable look at the work of the rescue services in the peninsula 🙂.
Uffa Fox produced the first air-droppable lifeboats (the Airborne Lifeboat Mk1 of 1943). These were dropped by RAF Hudsons and later Warwicks dropped the Mk2. It could be dropped from 700ft with its xescent retarded by 6 parachutes. It was self-righting with the parachutes being automatically released on landing when rocket propelled 300ft rescue lines would also be set off. These boats had emergency rations, a radio, waterproof suits and medical supplies.
The American version wasn't introduce until 1944 (the Higgins A1). Higgins had considered the Uffa Fox had weaknesses.
I presume before that the Ansons and later Defiants were dropping inflatables?
@@AndrewGivens yes.
Great, informative video as always from this channel. Minor quip. At about 12:25 you say; "under a NATO banner" rather than "U.N. banner". You typically have few to no 'speakos' or I wouldn't say anything.
Great substance!!!
Generally well done, a deserving tribute to an unappreciated organization.
But
a real Bow-Wow at 22:27 lasts about 30 seconds, needs one word changed ("Marauder" to "Invader")
12:45 Not under a NATO banner -Allied forces in Korea were UN forces including Australian and New Zealand forces (even including a cadre from Taiwan) they were UN forces because of two UN resolutions number 83 and 84 Res. being passed 7 to 1 (Yugoslavia demurring) and because the USSR were boycotting the security council at the time they could not veto, something they never allowed to happen subsequently .
Thank you for this video!
Excellent job
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THAT'S the motor I used in high school to learn AC maintenance!!! WOW, the memories. I didn't know those fancy relics I was holding at George T. Baker Aviation School might have seen thousands of hours on a common light AC or it may have rescued Airmen, other soldiers. WOW!
I was doing very badly in high school until a counselor recommended that AC program. FINALLY, I WANTED to learn more math because moving parts clearances can BE the difference between a rescue or not. 12 years later I saw AUTHENTIC EDUCATION as critical for children, and as a parent, its true too. All this from a TH-cam vid!
Best wishes!!!
What great coverage of a great topic!
Thanks
An Excellent and Outstanding Video!!! Thank You!!!!
Such an awesome video! Congratulations and keep up the good work
Excellent topic.
Thank you! This was a topic often left uncovered, and you did it justice. Well done, sir.
Love the Story-telling narrative
CSAR and Medevac are interesting parts of military aviation. I'm happy to see you've made a video about it!
Good stuff man 👍🏻
Very Cool Documentary
amazing history of aircraft video
The Southern California Coast Guard, in the 1950s, utilized PBY Catalinas to scan the coast. I would watch the beautiful machines appear to be motionless 300 feet above the surf as they floated just above stall speed, which apparently is 11 miles per hour. Along with the 262 and the Connie the Cat is the bees knees.
Would it be possible for you to make a part 2 talking about the CSAR development in the Vietnam War as well? That would be amazing. Thanks!
Incredible Documentary
Beautiful Presentation
Such Amazing History
Thank You Great Man
Glorious Examples of the Actual Intuitive Design of The Past
So much Ingenuity that must be Remembered
Dude, I love, love, LOVE your channel but I just broke out in tears at the 15:48 mark; you made your first gross error. The B-26 MARAUDER had either been scrapped in the boneyards or purchased by France, China and some Central/South American countries.
The plane in question found it's hour of glory in the Korean War, the Douglas B-26 INVADER, a plane which deserves a LOT more credit than most....
Great to see the L-5 get a mention. There's one in ROK livery hanging in the Korean War Memorial in Seoul. That little aeroplane saved many lives in WW2 also, particularly in the CBI theatre.
Another nice video, thanks. But I think you owe us one on the A-26 (or B-26) Invader!
Very interesting video
"Use of hand grenades [for disassembly] on base was not allowed."
I enjoy these sprinkles of dry humour throughout your videos.
You might to research the ejection procedures. The UN was the agency that authorized the Korean War response. The B-26 you mentioned ditching was the Douglas Invader, not Martin Marauder.
How do reversible pitch propellers on an Albatross assist in a short field takeoff? Landings certainly they do.😉
They reduce your margin of error for aborted takeoffs, so you can accept a shorter field and know you will still be able to stop if you have to abort. So I think technically he's correct, although I doubt it was intentional.
Nice Video - was a Naval Aviation Rescue Swimmer from 1987 to 1998 - no real rescues . Exciting to see the improvements over the decades - fancy equipment to add to the BALLS of jumping out of a helicopter to rescue some jet-jockey.
Many years ago I had an NCOIC who was a WW2 Vet, he was in the third wave at Normandy, and used to call in P-47s to attack German armor. He later flew as a radio operator on C-119s. Told us a story how they had a runaway prop while flying from Bermuda to Tyndall AFB FL. It vibrated so much, in his words, ”It ripped off the engine so we feathered the firewall.” They called Air Sea rescue and soon were met by a B-17 with a lifeboat slung under it. He said how they flew in formation for some time, but even with only one engine soon outpaced the old bomber. The told the rescue plane, unless anything bad happens we will see you back in FL. They had been on the ramp 20 minutes or so before the B-17 finally made back. I guess those boats created a LOT of drag.
27:17.....Is that a US Air Force PT boat? That's nuts! Who would have thought such a thing ever existed?
Not sure I'd describe Britian's air sea rescue during ww2 as ad hoc, they had a seperate RAF branch for it with specilised aircraft and boats and ended the war as one of the largest ASR branches of any nation in the war.
Extra take-off power is available without exceeding the max engine rpms. You just need to reduce the power going to the tail rotor used to oppose the torque of the main rotor. The helicopter would then climb whilst gentle rotating. The speed of rotation depends on how much power you switch from the tail rotor to the main rotor. See the book Chickenhawk for more details.
Now you better make a video about Vietnam service with the ARS
Great video! I definitely enjoyed this departure from your usual topics!
Interested to see if you get any backlash for daring to say the forbidden reporting name on the internet lmao 😂
The MiG-15 one?
I think it's been used or referenced in NAPFATG's videos, but not frequently.
The B-26 used in korea was not the MARTIN B-26 MARAUDER but the DOUGLAS A-26 INVADER redesigned B-26 for some years including the Korean War, as the attack designation was discontinued when the army airforce became the airforce. Later the designation was changed back to A-26 under witch they were used again in Vietnam.
The martin Marauders were retired with the end of ww2 and none were left in operational service by the korean war.
I don't blame you for this mistake as it is a very common one. I even seen the Martin Marauder used incorrectly in a flight simulator (i think it was MiG Ally, a dedicated korean war sim).
Funnily enough it was because at the time the Thai govt wouldn’t allow USAF to deploy heavy bombers at the RTAFBs. They changed the designation BACK to A-26 and voila! No more bomber, only an attack aircraft!
@@SolomonSamson747 oh now that you mentioned it I remember reading that some years ago.
i heard somewhere they were paired down by half last year,and this year they arn replacing the ones that get out with new recruits
As I have grown older, I have grown to admire those involved in Air Rescue over those pilots who would put them into danger because the pilot wanted the prestige of another kill. Ironically, those pilots would often end up with more "kills" of their own comrades who would attempt to rescur them.
Rescue pilots were amazingly brave.
There is a movie called Battle Taxi that is about the USAF Air Rescue
It would be great if you could find enough material about the vietnam era search and rescue to make a viseo about ot too...
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31:16 lol look at the glorious oil slick all over the ground where the B-17 engines normally park. Those things look like they cough oil all over the place every time they start.
I like this video because i got into seaplanes and from there into patrol aircraft years back, and found out that it's a fascinating area, especially seaplanes. There is whole different science to seaplanes on the water, you actually sail them with the wind and currents, and takeoff is a whole different ballgame. Patrol planes are interesting because they are those unsung heroes that were facing death just from the nature of their missions, 1,000 miles out over water, reliant on navigation and skill to get them home. The same is true for regular bombers and transports, but at least in those you have landmarks and the chance of bailing out and not ending up alone in the middle of the ocean.
Although for either one it is pretty amazing that just a few years before the war they were still giving you headlines for flying across the Atlantic and considering it a great feat of bravery and skill, but by 1943 they had 20 year old boys flying 18 hour patrols over the ocean routinely, and flying night missions eight hours over Europe on the dark, getting shot at and then returning to land as best as they can with no guarantee that the bases will even be open. A single patrol mission in a B-24 is more heroism than the average person see in their lifetime today, but it just kind of gets chalked up as an "easy job" because they werent actually getting shot at in most cases.
I found an excellent documentary about a crew of the 4th Emergency Rescue Squadron. It's called A Journey to Royal. It's currently showing on Tubi streaming network. Watch it carefully it may give you more ideas about where to look.
I don't know my dad's airplane name or serial number of the B17 so I wouldn't know if it's still around. My dad said he sailed home in late September of 45. They left all of their planes at Iwo after being promised they were going to fly them home.
The first air-dropped lifeboat was British, with first deployments in February 1943. The first US model wasn't ready untill early 1944.
Portugal also had the SAR B-17s wirh. Lifeboat becauae of the vast Swathes of The Atlanic it still claims as an Exclusuve Economic Zone.
I love this channel so much, but its impossible to listen to on anything less than 1.25x speed.
Sea Fury crash photo is from R A N,not HMS Theseus and was taken in Australia.
Yup - thought it gave the right effect when I couldn't find one of the actual incident.
@@notapound I'm happy with it, for one. Illustrative. Just as needed.
Nice video too. I enjoy the esoteric and 'satellite' air force topics - after all, my grandad was RAF and served in the Malaya Emergency, but he was a Snowdrop and mainly 'escorted' worse-for-wear RAF officers out of... various establishments... stopped a nasty thing from happening (personal hero) and ran away from a rioting mob with his mates (smart, too). Then they moved him *out* of Singapore, up to Malaya, and put him in a jungle base near some Gurkhas - who the Communist bandits wouldn't go within ten miles of. Quieter for him there than in the city. Not a very Air Force story, but still an Air Force story.
This one's great. Thanks!
@ 12:26 I think you meant United Nations 🇺🇳 banner not NATO banner. I was wondering why the SB-17 & SB-29 flew in an escort type role, did they actually go “feet dry” and remain with the bombers to a point short of the target? and then reform on the bomber stream or did they fly an orbital pattern over the ocean/sea?, if they went “feet dry” with the bomber stream did they carry equipment that was useful to a downed pilot/crew in the environment that they could be in, jungle/swamp etc?. Obviously the advent of the helicopter was probably the best thing that ever could have invented, with the ability to cover both land and sea rescues, and I’m glad they did, otherwise I would not have had the career that I did, not on search and rescue (SAR) but helicopters in general.
Oh well forget my question, you explained it nicely @ 15:35+.
In the early days of the H-5 operations it must have taken a huge amount of courage to even fly one, let’s be honest about it, helicopters were still in their infancy and were about as rudimentary as WWI aircraft, underpowered, difficult to control, poor instrumentation (add another gauge and you probably affected the C of G so much that the 60lb jerrycan would have had to be underslung on the tail boom) and even a small arms hit would potentially bring it down. Those pilots and crew members deserve a medal 🥇 and a box of Valium.
Considering that the helicopter is only 70 years old they have had a phenomenal record for advancement both technically and variety of roles, having worked on various types of aircraft I can honestly say that helicopters are my absolute favourite, especially the SA-330 Puma and the CH-47 Chinook, best little workhorse and heavy lift respectively.
Wow, @ 26:26 how on earth did that rotor blade stay intact sufficiently to get the aircraft flying long enough to get back to Terra-Firma, that amount of battle damage could be sustained on modern day blade construction but in the 1950s it is incredible.
Thanks very much for posting this video, it was really interesting and informative, thanks again. 😀👍🇬🇧🏴.
Nice planes for life guard duty for marine rescue missions
@19:28, an early Twitch streamer in action, lol.
Where exactly could Blessey have shoved his raft?
Up his arse.
It was United Nations response to the North Korean invasion of South Korea not NATO.
Great video, did not know if I'd sit through 37 minutes but those minutes flew right by. It seems odd to me that the US doesn't use flying boats or seaplanes of any sort these days. I would think that perhaps the Coast Guard would find them useful, and they could be pressed into service overseas if needed. Japan still uses big 4-engined turboprop seaplanes for SAR and so forth.
Because seaplanes can't take off from any kind of rough water, while a helicopter can hover. Japan built a tiny fleet of specialty SAR boats at enormous expense, but what can they really do that helicopters can't do? Especially since you can make a whole fleet of converted land helicopters for the same cost as developing your own special STOL four engine flying boat. They even make copters that can land in water if you insist on that, no need to design an entire new type.
And really the only reason Japan aquired those planes is because they had already made the ASW version, and it wasn't that hard to convert it to SAR, and the Japanese government has shown that they are perfectly willing to spend a huge amount of money to prop up Japanese aviation companies. And I'm glad they do, even if it's not logical.
Immediate Subscribe. This channel is a gold mine.
Can you please do a video on the insanity that is the A1 sky raider a downed Vietnam pilot said one stayed with him for 5 hours after he ran out of ammo flew over shooting his pistol on of his window
Wait is that the engine of the H-19 in its nose? That's wild
As far as I know the only error in your video is no Martin b 26 marauders where in service with the USAF after 1946. The Douglas a/b 26 invader replaced the Martin b 26bmaruder and was flown during the Korean war. Most b 26 maruders were destroyed in place after thee end of ww Ii. Great video.
We still had seaplanes in the USAF when I was in. I'm not sure why we got rid of them. They have a lot of range and are faster than helicopters.
They are sort of making a comeback! The Japanese built a new one and last I read the Navy is looking at them. They certainly have unique capabilities. As they are expensive and require a lot of maintenance, it's a tough sell against whatever latest supersonic stealth flash toy the admirals are coveting.
Because a seaplane needs to land, any then take off again, which it can rarely do in anything but mild seas. A helicopter can just hover and take you out of the water. It's a lot more versatile. The Japanese spent a huge amount of money to develop a small fleet of SAR seaplanes (which were originally supposed to be ASW planes) that can take off from abnormally rough seas, but that's still not very rough at all, and it cost a huge amount of money for a few planes. What exact advantage does that enormous expense give you? You can cruise a little faster and further? You find just build a fleet of five times as many helicopters for the same cost, and have a fresh one replace each time the first four low on fuel, or just have five times as many searching the area.
For shame! Not a single mention of the movie ‘Flight from Ashiya’? A movie explicitly about the service? Mind, it takes place post-Korean War (I think there were flashbacks to Korea but I might be wrong) but it’s got all the right aircraft. 😁
Prop strafed the boat to make sure no lost booklets or maps fell into their hands but yes. They would have converted it into a really powerful thing. And that would have been Bad.
Omg so that’s the story they didn’t touch much on the “Sabre Ace” PC game.
2:09 dose it come with a waffer?
Praise The Lord 🙏🙏🙏
“A 20ft mahogany boat would have been the flagship of the North Korean navy.” 😂😂
The MASH 📺 version belongs most definitely to a parallel world.
Not sure what you mean. The H-13 Sioux was definitely used in Korea, it was just a slightly more advanced machine that took over from the earlier helicopters, with more speed and range and load capacity. A bit more anyway. The MASH helicopter is actually perfectly accurate, I believe that's actual footage in the credits. although I haven't watched it for a long time.
Although I am not sure they actually used them for combat SAR. I think they did, but I know they used them for medevac, which is what MASH did.
@@justforever96
Apologies for my obscure post.
I didn’t mean the helicopter 🚁.
I mean that the 📺 series is a demeaning of the real MASH.
Portraying the field doctors & medical personnel as epicurean minded exclusively, enjoying themselves in a salacious 😈 picnic 🧺 party 🎊 🎈 🎉
Regarding the Boots Blesse ditching, this is where the moronic ego takes over. So, he loses an F-86 because of selfish irrationality. And, though the Mig-15 is kaput, the pilot still manages to eject and may have lived to fly again. End result, loss of one Mig-15 for one F-86, an unnecessary expenditure of resources and risk to the crew in the flying boat for a zero-sum game. This, all for Boots and running up his ace score. I'm surprised old Boots wasn't court martialed, or at minimum given a desk job after that. I wonder if the flying boat crew learned how the F-86 was lost? Was Boots operating as a 'lone ranger'? what happened to his wingman?
I maybe wrong about this, however I thought the B-17H was the original designation for the SB-17.
As always I enjoyed the show.
I don't think they armed the helicopters against air attack because machine guns are almost useless anyway, and you are probably just going to shoot your own rotors off. I suppose decided in the end that it was worth it for ground fire suppression, but all that weight has to come out of the carrying capacity and speed, and it's a pretty significant amount of weight for a piston engine helicopter, even a newer one. I think they still feared they were more likely to shoot their own aircraft down, and they hoped that air support would do the job. It's always a cost benefit analysis and the cost was a lot higher before they had turbine engines. The enemy wasn't mostly armed with automatic weapons either, so the risk was a lot less. Defensive armament was always going to be useless against enemy aircraft as it was. It was already of limited use even on WW2 planes that could fire up and to the rear, and mostly just made the crews feel better and made the enemy a bit more cautious. Your were better off taking evasive action in anything but a big four engine plane. And there was little risk of the enemy settling in on your tail to shoot you down at 100mph and 200ft. In fact a target like that is as dangerous to the attacker then the target. I have heard enough stories of WW2 fighters going into the water trying to attack low and slow seaplanes, and those were nimble Japanese planes, not post war fighters vs a light helicopter.
The hand grenade is an under appreciated tool ;)
I've been into aircraft from a kid.. I was a crew chief in the Air Force.. why have I never seen a B-17 with a speed boat ready to be dropped from it?
This poses an interesting problem. Is the shooting down of one enemy plane worth the expense of the loss of an American plane and potentially, the lives of the pilot and those who will try to rescue that pilot.
Okay i have to stick to for the brake manufacturers: if it slipped on ice, the _brakes_ didn't fail, the tires failed. The brakes did their job just fine, they stopped the wheels. The tires just slid on the ice. And thats the tires fault, if anything. Although more like the fault of whoever thought operating on ice was a good idea.
I like how the British made it policy to shoot down German SAR planes clearly marked, because "it hurts them more than us and they are more likely to be downed in the sea". Oh and "we caught one making record of a convoy he spotted so they are spy planes". I think that's a pretty disgusting thing to do and it's exactly the kind of things they would prosecute someone else for doing as a "war crime". But for them, hey they were desperate, gotta go what you gotta do, even if it's shooting down rescue planes. How much credit did Germany get for the fact that they were literally fighting for their existence the last two years of the war and unable to even feed their own people? That's right, absolutely none, it doesn't matter, a crime is a crime. Unless you win the war, obviously.
I’m curious how B26’s Marauders were operating as late as 1951? Might make an interesting video although maybe outside the channel remit? :)
I am not sure if this is meant to be sarcastic remark, but let me answer anyway, B-26 Marauder was long retired by the time of Korean War, instead it’s place was taken by A-26 Invader. Confusingly, The Airforce decided to change its designation into B-26 Invader
@@minera7595 not sarcastic. The video mentions a Marauder.. and previous videos mentioned marauders as being used as ‘targets’ for early jet fighters over the US. Maybe rewatch the video which shows an obvious Marader. I know the invader very well and that wasn’t one
Sorry - a mistake on my part. The curse of the Marauder.
@@notapound so it was an Invader?
Macarthur Was correct about Korea
5:00 Is that a demon?
So he knew his only hope of rescue was the sea so he turned the stricken fighter WEST? Maybe I missed something but what sea is west of Korea?
The Yellow Sea.
The US response was under the auspices of the UN, not a "NATO banner" as you said at 12:22. South Korea has never been a NATO member state, and NATO expeditionary operations as in Kosovo, Afghanistan, and Libya weren't a thing back in 1950.