So heartbreaking he started by telling her he was hungry, he didn’t eat breakfast. Why on earth didn’t she stop everything and have someone get him something to eat? 💔💔
Im a child therapist and this is not being done properly. We give them tons of toys, coloring pages, and prompt them while they are engaged in something fun. This is an interrogation with a really nice person but you don't interact with small children like this. He should have had snacks too. There isn't a single toy in that room! Ugh this makes me sad.
@@madamebutterfly851 her saying okayyyyyyyy dragged out after every freaking statement is so annoying and kids aren't dumb they know when people are being fake.
The interview should have been stopped immediately when the child said he was hungry. The child should have been fed and during that time his coat should have been removed. After the child is fed and comfortable then the interview can be conducted.
EXACTLY! HOW and especially her as a woman and likely a mother, did she not STOP immediately and get that baby some food. He told her the MOST IMPORTANT THING TO HIM FIRST, that he hadn’t eaten yet all she wanted was to interview him for answers. I understand she desperately wanted info BUT treat the baby FIRST! Hopefully this interviewer looks back on this and sees her sad awful mistake and does better for other children she has to work with. Gosh this hurts my soul to watch and KNOW how this all ended. No doubt Josh Powell is in 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥👺👺👺👺👺👺👺👺
Wow! The kid said he didn't have breakfast, you ask if he's hungry. Really! Get him some food. Even adult suspects get fed when asked if they are hungry. Dang!
Promising food could be construed by a defense lawyer as bribing or influencing the child. It’s very important that the interviewer keeps a relatively neutral relationship and the child doesn’t start trying to please the interviewer. She would know her colleagues heard this. Charlie comes back without his jacket. It’s likely that he was given something to sit and eat while the interviewer conferred with colleagues.
"Microphone" he's sharp.! He's not given food because he might have been given something that could be poison. Or Ike the other comment it could be seen as bribery.
A traumatized 4 year old says he hasn't eaten at all today. Telling the child that "we're going to go ahead with interview, ok?" with the child who hasn't eaten all day, is definitely boarding further traumatic abuse. This woman needs to be replaced by an adult who can do to things......appropriately empathize with the 4 year old hungry child And give him some food!
@@Anita_Backrub Josh murdered her but her body was never found, and he committed a murder/suicide with his two boys not long after this But there are even more disturbing things about this case like Josh’s dad and how she knew something was going to happen to her
1. Why not feed the little guy? 2. Did they consult a geologist familiar with the area - or even crystal collectors? 3. Did they consult a plznt expert familiar with the park to find out if there are indeed berries or perhaps shrubs that resemble berries? 4. Nobody asked the boy if hid Dad told him his mother wanted to stay, nor whether she was sleeping when he last saw her. He also gave other clues about where they went afterwards. This little guy gave them several excellent clues.
Yeah. I've seen so many of the videos out there. And the people trying to find her, etc. I was so hoping that she was found. I always wondered if she was buried where the little boy said she was. Maybe one day soon shell be found.
Dinasour Park ts 3:38 is in Vernal UT. Not even possible in the time frame Josh had. He told the kids they were camping but Charlie really has no idea. Josh told authorities one thing but had gone the Opposite direction! My guess a verticle mine shaft between UT & WA
That is the reason you give children toys in such a situation: they might reenact some traumatic event that can't be put into words otherwise... Food, Drink, Toilet, getting comfortable by not overheating, some other person as a whitness of what gets done or omitted... All that "o-kay", although she keeps on asking and asking, THAT would have made me angry as a child. The room looks stuffy and grandparent-like, not at all comfortable: The questioning lady puts the answers in the boys mouth, not letting him formulate the scenes in his own words ... ugly flowers? should give you the creeps and asking WHY are you afraid of some of them. All those contradictions she led slide - Mommy stayed back there, mommy went to work, at a specific time, the over-precise naming of the holiday resort, who took the boy home? Who was with him then? Who was missing? 4 persons went on that trip, how many came really back (and what are the reasons of not coming? Clearly NOT the pretty crystals) The adults know too much, so they forget to ask the right questions and listen to a very young child - him being alone and not once asking for his family is telling. He does know that something is off, waits for the adults to explain WHAT they want of him, what they really know - crack his wall of studied in answers and get to the bottom of the situation. Give him dinosaurs, a dollhouse family of 4, toy camping equipment and some small rocks or crystals to play out the trip to the park. Pencil and paper to draw the scene where mommy said good bye, would also have been helpful...
wow! That woman was cruel. She heard that little boy was hungry as well as traumatized. She should have stopped everything and fed him. It's not like he was the suspect.
@@SolutionsWithin the grandparents (Susan’s) won a wrongful death lawsuit against DSHS for putting the father’s needs over the children. They were supposed to do what was best for the boys and failed. Heartbreaking but Charlie was starting to talk about his mom
Maslow's hierarchy of needs. Why do you think there is a push to feed kids at school. Cuz, if you're hungry it's harder to concentrate on what's going on in class.
I work in forensics. My department is not with children but I know from experience that we do not offer children anything. A) adults can get food themselves, the child cannot. This could be used to say that Charlie gave the woman the answers he thought she wanted to hear to get more food. B) people believe adults… people are way less likely to believe a small child. You do not want any risk at all of them throwing the interrogation out, or claiming mistrial. He was fine waiting an hour for food, the bigger worry is the father.
He should not be hungry he should not be overly dressed he should not be underdressed he should be very comfortable before you even try to talk to him about anything.
@@sadiefalco4673 If he didn’t have breakfast he was likely fasting for twelve hours. Given children’s high metabolism rate he was likely hypoglycemic. A symptom of hypoglycemia is confusion, among other things that would interfere with his cognitive functioning.
I know I can’t stand that baby talk. And then she repeats every single thing he says even if it’s like small little things. Now the kid is adorable and I love that little voice.
Very whiney kinda voice that makes me want to skip the vid! Dont know why she didnt get him some food for the poor wee starving lad. And toys to play with! Just awful.
So impressed with this little boy and his ability to be interviewed in this situation, alone, by a stranger, hungry and still with his outwear on. And also waiting in the room all alone, comforting himself by talking to himself.
They were not getting him a meal right that minute because a defense lawyer could say she bribed him with food. It is important that he does not feel they are in a cosy reciprocal relationship, but more neutral. They probably got him a meal during the break when they took his jacket off.
@ I doubt that seriously, especially since they left the kids unprotected. The safety and welfare of the kids are most important and all too often civil authorities fail to protect.
Since he said he hadn’t eaten for a while I wonder why she didn’t call someone to get him at least a cookie or something. There’s gotta be something in that office that he can eat.
Same reason that they recite the line in interviews with adults about not being offered or promised anything, and not being threatened. They cannot have a situation where a defense attorney says they made too cosy a relationship and the child felt obliged to “give back” a story. They were only 10-15 minutes, and he comes back without his jacket, so obviously someone out there made him more comfortable. They probably sat him down to eat while she went through things with colleagues to check for any last questions in the second session.
@@eh1702They have to be careful because of food allergies. There was a kid at my daughter's school that always looked hungry, I always made enough for her to share but the school wouldn't let us give him anything because we didn't have his mom's consent. I tried finding her when they got out of school a few times but I couldn't catch her.
That's a very bright little boy but, l don't understand why she doesn't interact with Charlie's answers - did mummy make your smores for you, what colour were the flowers, could you eat the berries, were the crystals far from where you camped.... Also, feed that poor wee boy! Oh wow, l'm in Aotearoa/ NewZealand so, wasn't familiar with this case. Just googled Susan's name. Rest in peace poor wee man. You would have been destined for great things but for an accident of fate and birth. I hope if there is an after life you and your mum and brother are reunited, happy and at peace.
Yes, I kept thinking she was ignoring openings that could have told her more. She sounded cold in the way she interacted with the boy. And the fact she didn’t stop immediately & get him something to eat confirms she has a cold personality! She’s not suited for interviewing young children - and maybe no one else, either.
i tought the same she missed so many uppertunatie questions. i think she was more focused on scoring the big story, that her ears heard but didnt listen. some food some take of his jacket some boots of make the boy more comfterble.
The lady interviewing him was not very productive. She didn’t endear herself to him. She didn’t follow up with her questions to him, nor his answers. So much more could have been found out if she a few things differently. I hope she gets some intense training, or better yet, another job. I’m not being rude. But I think that this is the most serious job that she’s ever going to do, and I’m not educated in this, but even I can tell she wasn’t the right person to be interviewing that sweet little boy.
@@violet04nunya98 I agree 100%. It's been such a long time since this, and I wonder if now more educated her watches this and thinks the same as we all are about how much better she could be.....
This is so sad. He was such a smart cute kid. Little Charlie & his brother were also murder by their father! He never should have been allowed to be alone with his sons. He was a mass murder! My heart is breaking watching this. This case was so mishandled!
OMG!! That's horrible!!! I'd never heard of this case until I watched this and was totally aggravated that I'm now supposed to search for the info on some podcast area... I'm 68 and don't watch or listen to podcasts. Idiots. Thanks for the info. I'll do a YT and google search to see what I can learn about this case.
Go on google and type in cold podcast Susan Powell…. There’s 10 or 11 chapters but I swear you can’t stop once you start! The even included family and friends, the best I’ve ever heard! Very disturbing what her husband put her through 😢
OMG, that sweet little, well mannered, hungry and tired little boy. It breaks my heart still. Susan’s family needs her body, they need to finalize this horrific story and find peace.
The interviewer can't offer food. That could be construed as bribery in a court if law. The child would try to please the interviewer to get something to eat.
@halodisciple8459 this makes sense... but if the child asked for food on his own, and then was denied like what happened here, wouldn't that be the same thing ? Because the kid would be more likely to just tell the interviewer what he thought she wanted to hear, just to get it over with, or perhaps to convince her to change her mind about giving him food? I don't know if I'm making any sense... i guess what I'm trying to say is, to me, if a kid in a situation like this asks states he hasn't been fed since the previous night, wouldn't it make sense to have another person at the station feed him before they got started with the interview? Even adults can't concentrate correctly when our tummies are rumbling. Make the kid physically comfortable first, and THEN proceed with the questions. Just common sense to me. But I'm not a child psychologist so what do I know lol
Charlie's last words sound like what a momma would say to make her little boy feel safe/better in a very, very dangerous/scary situation. From either side of the Vail for that matter.
I'm a skeptic, but when he said she was happy when she said she was staying where the flowers and crystals grow, one does have to wonder whether he was seeing a spirit. RIP Charlie, Susan and Braden.
@@silverliningseeker9219This is such a horrific case after this interview soon after the father set the house on fire the two boys died I’m not sure if the father died also!😢
Couldn't help him remove his coat and boots? He was so obviously uncomfortable. I'm starting to sweat just watching. No water, no food, no bonding of any kind. I am surprised he kept talking to her after she ignored his hunger. Her voice is so annoying! I find this difficult to watch because she is so clueless!
My husband was a Federal Agent and the day after this interview he came home and told me what Charlie said about his Mommy being with the crystals. Soo tragic.
That poor precious child. I cannot even imagine for a second what those babies witnessed and went through the last days and moments of their lives. I swear there is so much evil in this world. Precious baby is now an angel hopefully in his Mommy and Jesus’ arms. Prayers for Susan’s parents and family. 🙏
And immediately put him in child protective custody? Who doesn't feed their child and this was afternoon nearing the evening. 😢 This was very telling of the evil who did the unthinkable. 😔💔
Absolute travesty what happened with this family. Father and grandparents should have never had contact or any kind of custody. He killed his wife and then he slaughtered those boys, absolutely ridiculous.
She baby talks while she should have been doing things that would really help the communication, like take off the boots if he wanted, definitely give him food when he said he was hungry, follow up with the questions for more details while the child is still thinking....so much could have been better. Was the real child-interviewer off that day?
This female child interrogator was told by this poor 4 year old boy that he hasn’t eaten anything ALL DAY and she totally ignores him and pumps him with questions instead of bringing him something…anything to eat or drink!!! That’s child neglect and child abuse!!!! What the heck is wrong with her and others there who have been starving this poor tiny boy all day???? She should be fired and prosecuted for child neglect and child abuse!
Why do you think they didn’t pick up on it? There’s a whole team of people listening. He described the crystals that grow in the rocks, a whole bunch of red berries and little flowers that are still round and hard to open. I think once the boys were asleep, he took her body elsewhere, or even loaded it on the plane. without them knowing,
@@eh1702 No plane. Also Josh took them 'camping' on the night of the worst snowstorm of the year. It was a massive blizzard! Roads and even freeway closed. Supposedly he took them out to the west desert. Having lived nearby entire life, that would have been a major feat getting out there in that blizzard. Roads not passable. Hardly anybody was out on the roads that night. The whole story was crazy. Berries not out there in the winter. Wouldn't be seeing any geodes either buried under feet of snow. Also Dinosaur National Park is on the eastern edge of Utah, not the west. Dinosaur National Park is probably just what Josh told the boys as a cover for where they really went. I remember that night clearly. It was freezing cold and snowing like crazy!
I live in Canada and we have little red berries on plants in the winter. As for the crystals, I wonder if it was a mine shaft Or a cave. If it were a cave I could see the boys saying why are we here, is there Dino’s, etc and pretending to be mining ?
Who about his creepy father who was sexually obsessed with his DIL. Again she should have shut that 💩 down immediately when he confessed his love for her. But as a good church girl she was politically dodging his advances. What that poor mom went through from day one with that family makes me sick 🤢
Something is irritating about this interviewer and not just her screechy, fake baby voice, she knows he’s hungry, he told her he was, that he hasn’t eaten yet that day. Surely she could get him something to eat or send someone out for something.
Oh, ffs use your head! THEY DON’T WANT TO BE ACCUSED OF BUYING TESTIMONY. She knows half a dozen colleagues are listening and that someone will go get some fries or sandwiches for him - why distract him by saying so? She takes a break after 10-15 minutes, when someone was making him comfortable: he comes back without his jacket. A defense layer would make a lot out of her promising him something and becoming the source of his wellbeing. Do you think when they say to adults in interviews that line about no promises or threats, that they just say it for fun?
@ You say she doesn’t want to be seen as buying testimony, but I’ve seen many interviews where adults Are given food when they admit to being hungry but when this little child is saying, he’s hungry, she just ignores him. It just seems he would feel like he was in a safer place if he felt he was heard.
Yea and adults are able to get food on their own, children are not so they would treat those very differently. Adults also understand the implications of lying in an interrogation, false accusations, how a false accusation could ruin their credibility or lead to them being suspected etc. children don’t. I work in forensics, this is the way it’s done. What’s more important a snack that one time, or a conviction that could have saved these boys lives.
Rest in peace sweet Charlie and Braden. This happened in the neighborhood behind me, where that monster took their and his lives. I hope Child protective services have implemented new rules and regulations after this!!!!!!!! Haunts me. I met Anne Rule and Susan Powells parents at a book signing. They wearing pins of a picture of her💔
This interview was torture to watch, never mind what this little man was going through at that time, hungry, tired,bored and yet very well behaved to the point he never touched anything in that room, tell me something were they watching him the whole time, SHAMEFUL they treated him worse than a criminal no toys,food,water etc., for hours,until he answered all their questions, these people should've been held accountable for taking his rights away, he should of had some kind of representation, SERIOUSLY 💯
I lived in Vernal Utah for awhile and it's near the Dinosaur National Park, the crystals sound to me like geodes but I have no idea where that would be located. I have to agree with others who said the child should have been fed when he said he was hungry, that's odd that they proceeded after he said that. They may have gotten more info after he ate but he sure did a great job remembering things.
Who is this woman? She should have asked him if he was comfortable, if he was hungry or thirsty, FIRST THING! And her high-pitched voice is patronizing and annoying.
No, the interviewer can't offer food because it can be construed as bribery in a court if law. A child could just answer whatever to please the interviewer to get food.
@@halodisciple8459 Good to know, didn't think of that view, but given his age and the circumstances, and what I read from him already, I'd say the food and drink would have been a benefit to the interviewer.
In the second interview the “ interrogator” was TERRIBLE. As a mom and someone who loves kids she could have done SOOOOO much better and probably got the truth out of this precious baby. He is truly smart and my heart is breaking
@@nevermore4971 - R U saying it’s tragic they don’t have their mother? Or, were you referring to something else that I apparently have not heard of? Thank you.
Imagine if they had given him dolls, toy camping gear, a toy car, etc... and simply let him play ... possibly he might have re-enacted what he had seen. They also should have given him access to cratons and paper. This interview was handled completely wrong, as anyone who has ever dealt with small children should have known. Knowing how this case ended, knowing this boy never lives to his next birthday is heartbreaking.
This is one of the saddest I’ve ever heard. His entire family disappeared. Dad and his family should have all been locked up! A bunch of perverted people. Susan Powell had no idea of what was coming for her when she hooked up with the Powell family. My heart breaks for those little boys. It is truly sickening.
Exceptional little boy. Intelligent, engaging, articulate. Someone raised him right. Heartbreaking that the family is broken. Bless you heart Charlie, my prayers are with you for life.
She doesn't seem to hear him when he says some of the flowers aren't pretty. I wonder what he meant about that. Maybe his dad instilled "pretty flowers" but, he thinks of them as not pretty because of what they could remind him of, or resemble. This is too sad.
how much 'training' does it take to know that if a child is hungry you give him something to eat, Common sense, common humanity, stop writing stuff down and scaring the kid - you're getting a video shot, so stop writing and get the kid some food and give him a cuddle or a hug if he wants it. And give him the writing pad and let him draw whatever he wants.
So many opportunities to expand on where mommy was, was she awake and interacting with Charlie, was she 'sleepy,' was she walking around, what did she say, where did she go with Charlie, did she play with Charlie, did SHE make smores with Charlie etc missed. AND what did daddy say to mommy, where did they go? What did they do? And Charlie is hungry. Feed the poor child p-lease. SO frustrating!
That's not a child-friendly environment, no toys, nothing to interact with. Poor little thing, is talking to the plant. Someone please, give this little boy a Happy Meal he's hungry!
I wish she had asked follow up questions: "We went to sleep": where did you sleep? Where was your mom sleeping? What time did you get up? "We went to a beach": What did it look like? Was there water there? Was there sand? Was the sun out? What did you do at the beach? It's too bad she doesn't follow up on all these strange details while it's fresh in his mind.
Hi Dave, What a surprise that this came up in my feed. I loved your podcast COLD: The Susan Powell Story. I follow many podcasts. COLD was enthralling to listen to, your work was comprehensive and moving. It tops my list as being one of if not the very best podcast I've ever listened to. Thank you!
I just read the background. Susan powell was never found. But shortly after her husband unalived charlie and his brother. WHY did authorities return children when next of kin is usually prime suspect. Get them safety and away from husband until he is cleared. They were witnesess to something i suspect.
This is something new to me and I've always followed this case. Poor Charlie...he's not here with us anymore. He sure did remember where his mother was left after she was murdered. An abandoned mine. RIP Susan and boys.
It seems to me that everybody around him failed this little guy (and his brother). Two innocent lives lost because the adults didn't do what they are supposed to do; protect the children.
Omg her voice is so grating. And yes she's not interacting with his answers at all, poor little mite. I know she's trying to get information but at least try and befriend him and gain his trust instead of talking at him. Even hardened criminals are treated better, with detectives building rapport, and offering food.
Agreed. The high-pitched voice puts me on edge. I can’t imagine how it makes a little four-year-old feel. Also to put pressure on a child to tell the truth, puts them in a position to sensor what they say to try and please the other person.
So the high pitched voice is how many women would speak to young children. She doesn’t know this little boy. She has to get him to trust her. Hence the sweet, sing-song voice.
@@ErinAboubut the high-pitched sing-song voice doesn’t work on most kids. Our generation was taught to speak to our children like you’d speak to an adult.
It was a massive blizzard all night that night. No plane. Lived in area all my life. Worst snowstorm of that year. It was crazy and freezing cold. Freeway was even shut down for awhile.
Josh used to take the boys to an airport to watch planes taking off. I wonder if he told them they were going to do that later? Maybe Josh was bribing Charlie with a promise of going on a plane to keep him from talking about things that happened.
The kid says he hasn't eaten all day, the time of him saying that is after 15:00. any competent person would make sure he ate immediately, instead of pressing ahead.. 0 OUT 10 for taking the needs of the child into consideration. The interviewer is not very good.
YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF FOR NOT FEEDING THE KID AFTER ASKING HIM IF HE WAS HUNGRY AND THEN JUST GOING ON TO INTERVIEW THE KID FOR 30 MINUTES!? WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE?!
Are you serious?? When a 4-year-old child says they have not eaten that day, you stop immediately and get that child some food! Not only because it's clearly bothering him as it's the first thing he talks about, but he is a young growing child who needs regular nourishment - ESPECIALLY if you want his brain to be functioning well to answer these kinds of questions! Is this woman even trained about children at all?! For the love of God lady
This is so sad. I read that the father eventually blew up the house with himself and the two boys in it. Including this little angel Charlie. They all died.
So heartbreaking he started by telling her he was hungry, he didn’t eat breakfast. Why on earth didn’t she stop everything and have someone get him something to eat? 💔💔
Also help him get comfortable by taking off his coat and boots? He’s four.
I agree completely.
Food allergies. Consent.
Ya'll are experts?
That’s what I was thinking
Im a child therapist and this is not being done properly. We give them tons of toys, coloring pages, and prompt them while they are engaged in something fun. This is an interrogation with a really nice person but you don't interact with small children like this. He should have had snacks too. There isn't a single toy in that room! Ugh this makes me sad.
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Her fake saccharine voice is making me anxious. And mad.
@"madame...." well I don't know if you're a therapist but most definitely you need some vision correction if you don't see any toys in his room 😅
I agree this is not how to communicate with a 4 year old…So so by toys you mean interactive games? Lego or trucks for example
@@madamebutterfly851 her saying okayyyyyyyy dragged out after every freaking statement is so annoying and kids aren't dumb they know when people are being fake.
The interview should have been stopped immediately when the child said he was hungry. The child should have been fed and during that time his coat should have been removed. After the child is fed and comfortable then the interview can be conducted.
@@herelieskittythomas3726 That was my reaction exactly. Why would they not make sure that child was fed.. immediately?
I agree.
Correct, this interrogator greatly missed the mark.
That upset me why she didn’t go and feed that child
EXACTLY! HOW and especially her as a woman and likely a mother, did she not STOP immediately and get that baby some food. He told her the MOST IMPORTANT THING TO HIM FIRST, that he hadn’t eaten yet all she wanted was to interview him for answers. I understand she desperately wanted info BUT treat the baby FIRST! Hopefully this interviewer looks back on this and sees her sad awful mistake and does better for other children she has to work with. Gosh this hurts my soul to watch and KNOW how this all ended. No doubt Josh Powell is in 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥👺👺👺👺👺👺👺👺
Wow! The kid said he didn't have breakfast, you ask if he's hungry. Really! Get him some food. Even adult suspects get fed when asked if they are hungry. Dang!
Promising food could be construed by a defense lawyer as bribing or influencing the child. It’s very important that the interviewer keeps a relatively neutral relationship and the child doesn’t start trying to please the interviewer. She would know her colleagues heard this. Charlie comes back without his jacket. It’s likely that he was given something to sit and eat while the interviewer conferred with colleagues.
Couldn't they take a few minutes and feed the poor kid then resume the interview later in the day? I feel bad for the boy
Not a fan of this interviewer’s approach
that was the first thing i said, poor lil guy, the detective is acting all nice but doesnt seem to care about that.
@@TheCornhusker EXACTLY!
I was wondering why no one fed this kid. It's almost 3:30 pm. Glad everyone else noticed.
Angry from the getGo with this unprofessional handling of the Whole case! Especially Charlie. But its UTAH !
if they had fed him at this moment, someone would have said she bribed him for answers . . .
I was saying the same thing he said he hasn’t ate and nobody ran and got him any food like you see them do for these criminals
@@Mrs.Robinsons Agree. She's terrible
"Microphone" he's sharp.!
He's not given food because he might have been given something that could be poison. Or Ike the other
comment it could be seen as bribery.
This should be used as a training video on how *not to* conduct an interview with a young child for a police investigation.
Agreed. Harmful. Lacking empathy and kids DO FEEL that. I’m sure she doesn’t having kids
Why? What’d she do?
Feed him first gezzz
The way she speaks to him is bone crunching to be honest! eek!
Maybe what not to do!! Get him something to eat.
Charlie's mother was obviously an excellent parent. Her son is a credit to her. God bless him.😢
Why didn’t she get him something to eat b4 she started this. Disgusting.
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Unfortunately, the correct sentence is "her sons were a credit to her". The one 'good' thing is that they're reunited with her now.
A traumatized 4 year old says he hasn't eaten at all today. Telling the child that "we're going to go ahead with interview, ok?" with the child who hasn't eaten all day, is definitely boarding further traumatic abuse. This woman needs to be replaced by an adult who can do to things......appropriately empathize with the 4 year old hungry child And give him some food!
This was 2009. They aren’t going to consider your advice at this point.
Probably not a parent
Bro kids or not this is common sense bad.
total lack of awareness - shocking - she's doing her best but this is NOT good training - where is the child welfare person/advocate?
She might just be clueless and on-task.
Bless his little heart. He was so bright and well-behaved. RIP Susan and her boys, reunited in Heaven.
What happened to her?
@@Anita_Backrub Look up the case. It’s horrifying, tragic and heartbreaking.
@@Anita_Backrub Josh murdered her but her body was never found, and he committed a murder/suicide with his two boys not long after this
But there are even more disturbing things about this case like Josh’s dad and how she knew something was going to happen to her
@@GorlworldEnjoyer he killed the boy’s too? Even after being investigated? I didn’t know about that
Poor little boy,his world just opening up to him and his little brother.All gone by the hand of either disturbed,selfish coward,or cruel man RIP
1. Why not feed the little guy?
2. Did they consult a geologist familiar with the area - or even crystal collectors?
3. Did they consult a plznt expert familiar with the park to find out if there are indeed berries or perhaps shrubs that resemble berries?
4. Nobody asked the boy if hid Dad told him his mother wanted to stay, nor whether she was sleeping when he last saw her.
He also gave other clues about where they went afterwards.
This little guy gave them several excellent clues.
Are there caves there? Crystals grow in caves. Some types of flowers even grow in caves. 🤔
It was winter and I'm wondering if the crystals are where ice crystals form. I'm not familiar with the park.
@@G0ddessKelly if i remember correctly they did search caves. i think they thought she was in one specific spot but they couldn't fully search it
@@tourmii Did they have dogs, cuz. this helps, esp. when snowfall makes things difficult.
To ask Charlie if his mother was sleeping or not is a leading question.
I used to work with Susan's nephew. The family is still searching for Susan's remains to this day. So incredibly sad and devastating.
Absolutely 💔
Yeah. I've seen so many of the videos out there. And the people trying to find her, etc. I was so hoping that she was found. I always wondered if she was buried where the little boy said she was. Maybe one day soon shell be found.
Dinasour Park ts 3:38 is in Vernal UT. Not even possible in the time frame Josh had. He told the kids they were camping but Charlie really has no idea. Josh told authorities one thing but had gone the Opposite direction! My guess a verticle mine shaft between UT & WA
Such an incredibly horrible case.
That entire P. Family such demons.
The one sister tried but just couldn’t stop the madness. I hope she is doing ok .
@@Mrs.Robinsons I believe that’s possible
Poor little guy, he is so cute when he’s in there alone talking to his little self ❤😢
It was tough watching this interrogation. But it was this part that truly broke me.
That is the reason you give children toys in such a situation: they might reenact some traumatic event that can't be put into words otherwise... Food, Drink, Toilet, getting comfortable by not overheating, some other person as a whitness of what gets done or omitted... All that "o-kay", although she keeps on asking and asking, THAT would have made me angry as a child. The room looks stuffy and grandparent-like, not at all comfortable: The questioning lady puts the answers in the boys mouth, not letting him formulate the scenes in his own words ... ugly flowers? should give you the creeps and asking WHY are you afraid of some of them. All those contradictions she led slide - Mommy stayed back there, mommy went to work, at a specific time, the over-precise naming of the holiday resort, who took the boy home? Who was with him then? Who was missing? 4 persons went on that trip, how many came really back (and what are the reasons of not coming? Clearly NOT the pretty crystals) The adults know too much, so they forget to ask the right questions and listen to a very young child - him being alone and not once asking for his family is telling. He does know that something is off, waits for the adults to explain WHAT they want of him, what they really know - crack his wall of studied in answers and get to the bottom of the situation. Give him dinosaurs, a dollhouse family of 4, toy camping equipment and some small rocks or crystals to play out the trip to the park. Pencil and paper to draw the scene where mommy said good bye, would also have been helpful...
He is with Jesus now❤
wow! That woman was cruel. She heard that little boy was hungry as well as traumatized. She should have stopped everything and fed him. It's not like he was the suspect.
I would have to disagree with you because his father ended everyone’s life.
@@susien7323 they still should have fed him and taken good care of him while he was alive. And he shouldn’t have gone back into custody of dad.
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Punish the kid for the father’s sin. 🙄
@@SolutionsWithin the grandparents (Susan’s) won a wrongful death lawsuit against DSHS for putting the father’s needs over the children. They were supposed to do what was best for the boys and failed. Heartbreaking but Charlie was starting to talk about his mom
@@Bunni504 sadly everyone was punished for the sins of both fathers Joshua and Stephen. How creepy for what Susan had to endure
Maslow's hierarchy of needs. Why do you think there is a push to feed kids at school. Cuz, if you're hungry it's harder to concentrate on what's going on in class.
I work in forensics. My department is not with children but I know from experience that we do not offer children anything. A) adults can get food themselves, the child cannot. This could be used to say that Charlie gave the woman the answers he thought she wanted to hear to get more food. B) people believe adults… people are way less likely to believe a small child. You do not want any risk at all of them throwing the interrogation out, or claiming mistrial. He was fine waiting an hour for food, the bigger worry is the father.
When I was a school nurse I kept cereal in my office.
He should not be hungry he should not be overly dressed he should not be underdressed he should be very comfortable before you even try to talk to him about anything.
Maybe she was an apprentice. Rediculous place.
@@sadiefalco4673 If he didn’t have breakfast he was likely fasting for twelve hours. Given children’s high metabolism rate he was likely hypoglycemic. A symptom of hypoglycemia is confusion, among other things that would interfere with his cognitive functioning.
Charlie is absolutely precious. That poor darling. 😔
Her voice would drive me crazy. That little Charlie is adorable.
She is talking down to him.
I know I can’t stand that baby talk. And then she repeats every single thing he says even if it’s like small little things. Now the kid is adorable and I love that little voice.
@@CarolBlair-d5d her Okaaays are annoying. This little boy deserved better
She works for the govt. Its all she knows how to do!!!
Very whiney kinda voice that makes me want to skip the vid! Dont know why she didnt get him some food for the poor wee starving lad. And toys to play with! Just awful.
So impressed with this little boy and his ability to be interviewed in this situation, alone, by a stranger, hungry and still with his outwear on. And also waiting in the room all alone, comforting himself by talking to himself.
It's heartbreaking 😢
So sad
Oh poor little Charlie, so innocent. He would have been 20ish now if his father hadn't killed him and his brother. RIP Charlie, Brayden and Susan
Oh dear Lord above.
I didn’t know.
@@whoevwhatev Likewise. How could he get his hands on them....after his wife "disappeared..." Poor wee child.
Didn’t know the children were killed😢
I know it’s so heartbreaking to know what was going to happen to him and his brother not long after this . 💔
Oh my god. I wasn't ready to learn that. I thought only the mother was killed. I shouldn't have turned this on before bed.
Why are they not getting this kid a meal and putting him into protective custody.
They were not getting him a meal right that minute because a defense lawyer could say she bribed him with food. It is important that he does not feel they are in a cosy reciprocal relationship, but more neutral.
They probably got him a meal during the break when they took his jacket off.
@ I doubt that seriously, especially since they left the kids unprotected. The safety and welfare of the kids are most important and all too often civil authorities fail to protect.
K well doubt all you want, that is the protocol. I work in forensics.
@@eh1702 Stop talking sense to people who want to make everything worse than it already is and find problems where there isn't.
@@DustinAxelson ya but they still could have protected the kid by keeping him in protective custody. Not hand him back to the suspect dad.
Since he said he hadn’t eaten for a while I wonder why she didn’t call someone to get him at least a cookie or something. There’s gotta be something in that office that he can eat.
@@jennoury249 yeah you would think she would offer him something !
Same reason that they recite the line in interviews with adults about not being offered or promised anything, and not being threatened. They cannot have a situation where a defense attorney says they made too cosy a relationship and the child felt obliged to “give back” a story. They were only 10-15 minutes, and he comes back without his jacket, so obviously someone out there made him more comfortable. They probably sat him down to eat while she went through things with colleagues to check for any last questions in the second session.
@@eh1702They have to be careful because of food allergies. There was a kid at my daughter's school that always looked hungry, I always made enough for her to share but the school wouldn't let us give him anything because we didn't have his mom's consent. I tried finding her when they got out of school a few times but I couldn't catch her.
@@carolmode7754 An independent person could come in and ask him what he likes to eat for breakfast, etc.
I disagree...
That's a very bright little boy but, l don't understand why she doesn't interact with Charlie's answers - did mummy make your smores for you, what colour were the flowers, could you eat the berries, were the crystals far from where you camped.... Also, feed that poor wee boy! Oh wow, l'm in Aotearoa/ NewZealand so, wasn't familiar with this case. Just googled Susan's name. Rest in peace poor wee man. You would have been destined for great things but for an accident of fate and birth. I hope if there is an after life you and your mum and brother are reunited, happy and at peace.
She's a professional and had reasons for every response and non-response, I guess.
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Alot of follow up questions like that are leading and would harm the integrity of the interview
@madreep Fair point. All moot, now l've learned his dad killed him and his brother. Poor wee men. What a monster.
Yes, I kept thinking she was ignoring openings that could have told her more. She sounded cold in the way she interacted with the boy. And the fact she didn’t stop immediately & get him something to eat confirms she has a cold personality! She’s not suited for interviewing young children - and maybe no one else, either.
i tought the same she missed so many uppertunatie questions. i think she was more focused on scoring the big story, that her ears heard but didnt listen. some food some take of his jacket some boots of make the boy more comfterble.
What sweet, very well spoken little boy.
The lady interviewing him was not very productive. She didn’t endear herself to him. She didn’t follow up with her questions to him, nor his answers. So much more could have been found out if she a few things differently. I hope she gets some intense training, or better yet, another job. I’m not being rude. But I think that this is the most serious job that she’s ever going to do, and I’m not educated in this, but even I can tell she wasn’t the right person to be interviewing that sweet little boy.
@@violet04nunya98 I agree 100%. It's been such a long time since this, and I wonder if now more educated her watches this and thinks the same as we all are about how much better she could be.....
This is so sad. He was such a smart cute kid. Little Charlie & his brother were also murder by their father! He never should have been allowed to be alone with his sons. He was a mass murder! My heart is breaking watching this. This case was so mishandled!
@@jeremyway-ue1xq OMG NOOO! I didnt know this. 😢
I totally agree 👍
Thanks for sharing 😢
OMG!! That's horrible!!! I'd never heard of this case until I watched this and was totally aggravated that I'm now supposed to search for the info on some podcast area... I'm 68 and don't watch or listen to podcasts. Idiots. Thanks for the info. I'll do a YT and google search to see what I can learn about this case.
Go on google and type in cold podcast Susan Powell…. There’s 10 or 11 chapters but I swear you can’t stop once you start! The even included family and friends, the best I’ve ever heard! Very disturbing what her husband put her through 😢
She’s talking to him likes he’s a baby. Young children do better at communicating without the degrading baby talk!
He appears to be quite comfortable......
Child forensic interviewers are specifically trained. I know because I worked for many years as a child welfare worker.
Squeaky fake voice, no follow-up on his answers, doesn't understand children, ick. All the rockhounds are yelling 'What color were the crystals?'
@@dawnkladerman598 he does for this situation. The interviewer’s voice is grating, but he is responding to her questions.
I agree. I've got lots of kids. You can talk to a four year old like a kid, not a baby.
OMG, that sweet little, well mannered, hungry and tired little boy. It breaks my heart still. Susan’s family needs her body, they need to finalize this horrific story and find peace.
She clueless about children . He’s tells you he’s hungry and you do nothing pitiful
The interviewer can't offer food. That could be construed as bribery in a court if law. The child would try to please the interviewer to get something to eat.
@halodisciple8459 this makes sense... but if the child asked for food on his own, and then was denied like what happened here, wouldn't that be the same thing ? Because the kid would be more likely to just tell the interviewer what he thought she wanted to hear, just to get it over with, or perhaps to convince her to change her mind about giving him food?
I don't know if I'm making any sense... i guess what I'm trying to say is, to me, if a kid in a situation like this asks states he hasn't been fed since the previous night, wouldn't it make sense to have another person at the station feed him before they got started with the interview? Even adults can't concentrate correctly when our tummies are rumbling. Make the kid physically comfortable first, and THEN proceed with the questions. Just common sense to me. But I'm not a child psychologist so what do I know lol
Even leaves the room and doesn't bring anything back.
Sounds like a fight in the other room. Approx 3:12 What the heck or someone having sex wthell?
She can't.
@@DustinAxelson Yes she can. Stop perpetuating misinformation and disinformation.
Charlie's last words sound like what a momma would say to make her little boy feel safe/better in a very, very dangerous/scary situation. From either side of the Vail for that matter.
The veil is sometimes thin. Hopes he's good on the other side. 😢
As she was dying! I agree.
Exactly what I was thinking!
I'm a skeptic, but when he said she was happy when she said she was staying where the flowers and crystals grow, one does have to wonder whether he was seeing a spirit. RIP Charlie, Susan and Braden.
Yes
What is so very sad is the fact Charlie Powell is no longer alive killed by his father as his father committed suicide.
Weird how they have to drag others down before they off themselves! Why not just get it over with and leave the kids alone?
Control issues and possesiveness.
What a precious little guy
so sad he is not on this earth anymore.
@@misswildlife7905, what happened to him.
A HUNGRY ONE!
What a good little man ,not touching anything , so sad his life was so short , he’s in the arms of Jesus .
My gosh, why didn’t the interviewer have something brought in for him to eat. ;(
She did. It happened off camera.
Knowing the outcome of this lil fellas life is just heartbreaking. 😢 R.i.p. sweet babies Brayden & Charlie
@@silverliningseeker9219same. I don’t know this case either. I’ll have to look it up.
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Ok reading other comments, the police released him and his brother back to the dad. The dad killed them too.
@@silverliningseeker9219This is such a horrific case after this interview soon after the father set the house on fire the two boys died I’m not sure if the father died also!😢
@@Costa-73 I googled it and how he did it broke my heart. What an evil monster.
@@WhiteWolfBlackStar how he did it is just shocking. It’s so bad!
Couldn't help him remove his coat and boots? He was so obviously uncomfortable. I'm starting to sweat just watching. No water, no food, no bonding of any kind. I am surprised he kept talking to her after she ignored his hunger. Her voice is so annoying! I find this difficult to watch because she is so clueless!
My husband was a Federal Agent and the day after this interview he came home and told me what Charlie said about his Mommy being with the crystals. Soo tragic.
That poor precious child. I cannot even imagine for a second what those babies witnessed and went through the last days and moments of their lives. I swear there is so much evil in this world. Precious baby is now an angel hopefully in his Mommy and Jesus’ arms. Prayers for Susan’s parents and family. 🙏
Good grief he said he didn't get to eat today so why wouldn't they feed him first
I agree.
@ErinAbou Then they fed him later while interviewing him. Where he was not only distracted but the noise interfered with hearing him.
@@RedRose4141 feed him first, not during
And immediately put him in child protective custody? Who doesn't feed their child and this was afternoon nearing the evening. 😢 This was very telling of the evil who did the unthinkable. 😔💔
@amybahner6511 West Valley really screwed up this whole case
He’s such a smart and observant kid.
Absolute travesty what happened with this family. Father and grandparents should have never had contact or any kind of custody. He killed his wife and then he slaughtered those boys, absolutely ridiculous.
Water and food for this child immediately - then questions -
This woman was so lame. That little boy was so smart, and she missed it.
The interviewer needs to tamp down the kid-speak. It isn't necessary to talk to a kid with that sing-song tone.
It's very insincere, even when children speak that way. So grating to my ears.
She baby talks while she should have been doing things that would really help the communication, like take off the boots if he wanted, definitely give him food when he said he was hungry, follow up with the questions for more details while the child is still thinking....so much could have been better. Was the real child-interviewer off that day?
This little man is absolutely adorable. I want to give him the biggest hug ever. 💖
❤❤me too 😢
Heartbreakingly, he and his brother were killed by Joshua in a murder suicide 3 years later 😭
God is hugging him ❤
@@annasantostefano68263 years ago??? More like 10 or more!!
This female child interrogator was told by this poor 4 year old boy that he hasn’t eaten anything ALL DAY and she totally ignores him and pumps him with questions instead of bringing him something…anything to eat or drink!!!
That’s child neglect and child abuse!!!!
What the heck is wrong with her and others there who have been starving this poor tiny boy all day???? She should be fired and prosecuted for child neglect and child abuse!
I can find ten places in the area that Josh and the boys where that have geodes and crystals.
I’m wondering why nobody picked up on this 🤷♂️🤦♂️
Exactly
Why do you think they didn’t pick up on it? There’s a whole team of people listening. He described the crystals that grow in the rocks, a whole bunch of red berries and little flowers that are still round and hard to open.
I think once the boys were asleep, he took her body elsewhere, or even loaded it on the plane. without them knowing,
@@eh1702 No plane. Also Josh took them 'camping' on the night of the worst snowstorm of the year. It was a massive blizzard! Roads and even freeway closed. Supposedly he took them out to the west desert. Having lived nearby entire life, that would have been a major feat getting out there in that blizzard. Roads not passable. Hardly anybody was out on the roads that night. The whole story was crazy. Berries not out there in the winter. Wouldn't be seeing any geodes either buried under feet of snow. Also Dinosaur National Park is on the eastern edge of Utah, not the west. Dinosaur National Park is probably just what Josh told the boys as a cover for where they really went. I remember that night clearly. It was freezing cold and snowing like crazy!
I live in Canada and we have little red berries on plants in the winter. As for the crystals, I wonder if it was a mine shaft Or a cave. If it were a cave I could see the boys saying why are we here, is there Dino’s, etc and pretending to be mining ?
@@eh1702what plane??
Breaks my heart what his Dad did to those precious babies. 😭😭
@@SJones-pr7tq I don't know the stiry. What dud he do to those babies?
He butchered them
@@cherylcottingham3029 r u sure? My gosh!! Why the 2 and not little Charlie. This is Soo sad
He did this after the interview of the boy.
Who about his creepy father who was sexually obsessed with his DIL. Again she should have shut that 💩 down immediately when he confessed his love for her. But as a good church girl she was politically dodging his advances. What that poor mom went through from day one with that family makes me sick 🤢
Something is irritating about this interviewer and not just her screechy, fake baby voice, she knows he’s hungry, he told her he was, that he hasn’t eaten yet that day. Surely she could get him something to eat or send someone out for something.
Oh, ffs use your head! THEY DON’T WANT TO BE ACCUSED OF BUYING TESTIMONY. She knows half a dozen colleagues are listening and that someone will go get some fries or sandwiches for him - why distract him by saying so? She takes a break after 10-15 minutes, when someone was making him comfortable: he comes back without his jacket. A defense layer would make a lot out of her promising him something and becoming the source of his wellbeing. Do you think when they say to adults in interviews that line about no promises or threats, that they just say it for fun?
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You say she doesn’t want to be seen as buying testimony, but I’ve seen many interviews where adults Are given food when they admit to being hungry but when this little child is saying, he’s hungry, she just ignores him. It just seems he would feel like he was in a safer place if he felt he was heard.
Yea and adults are able to get food on their own, children are not so they would treat those very differently. Adults also understand the implications of lying in an interrogation, false accusations, how a false accusation could ruin their credibility or lead to them being suspected etc. children don’t. I work in forensics, this is the way it’s done. What’s more important a snack that one time, or a conviction that could have saved these boys lives.
Rest in peace sweet Charlie and Braden. This happened in the neighborhood behind me, where that monster took their and his lives.
I hope Child protective services have implemented new rules and regulations after this!!!!!!!! Haunts me.
I met Anne Rule and Susan Powells parents at a book signing. They wearing pins of a picture of her💔
No they haven't.
This interview was torture to watch, never mind what this little man was going through at that time, hungry, tired,bored and yet very well behaved to the point he never touched anything in that room, tell me something were they watching him the whole time, SHAMEFUL they treated him worse than a criminal no toys,food,water etc., for hours,until he answered all their questions, these people should've been held accountable for taking his rights away, he should of had some kind of representation, SERIOUSLY 💯
Susan's story will forever haunt me.
That monster took an axe to this sweet little angel. Unimaginable.
OMG I didn't need to know that.
A hatchet that didn't work. He then set the house on fire.
He was evil.
😢
He's such a precious little boy.
@@NotKateHepburn were they alive on the house burnt down?
😮
He’s so cute, I feel so bad for him his brother and mommy..
SHE CAN QUESTION A HUNGRY CHILD WITH NO MERCY.
Tell us you don’t understand forensics interrogations without telling us you don’t understand forensic interrogation.
@@sadiefalco4673 🫶❤️🫶 God bless Lil Charlie during it All 💔🥹😢😫
Thumbs down for not feeding this Young child.
I lived in Vernal Utah for awhile and it's near the Dinosaur National Park, the crystals sound to me like geodes but I have no idea where that would be located. I have to agree with others who said the child should have been fed when he said he was hungry, that's odd that they proceeded after he said that. They may have gotten more info after he ate but he sure did a great job remembering things.
I've been to vernal. Nice place.
What about caves with stalagmites/stalactites? To a young boy, they could be seen as crystals
What a good little boy! You know his mother loved him!
Yes, indeed
I just wanted to give this child a big hug and kiss……and a happy meal🥲🥲
RIP
✨Charlie✨Braden✨Susan ✨
🙏🙏🙏🙏
Who is this woman? She should have asked him if he was comfortable, if he was hungry or thirsty, FIRST THING! And her high-pitched voice is patronizing and annoying.
No, the interviewer can't offer food because it can be construed as bribery in a court if law. A child could just answer whatever to please the interviewer to get food.
@@halodisciple8459 Good to know, didn't think of that view, but given his age and the circumstances, and what I read from him already, I'd say the food and drink would have been a benefit to the interviewer.
Or just give him some food & come back after he ate to ask him questions
I would have asked him.."When you guys made Smores,did Mommy eat a Smores too"?
The second he said he was hungry and didn't eat, I would stop the interview and take care of that first
Sign up for the job!
In the second interview the “ interrogator” was TERRIBLE. As a mom and someone who loves kids she could have done SOOOOO much better and probably got the truth out of this precious baby. He is truly smart and my heart is breaking
It's so hard to believe that it has been 15 years since she went missing. 😢
He’s a smart little boy
So tragic what happened to him and his brother. Rest with the angels little man. ❤
@@nevermore4971 - R U saying it’s tragic they don’t have their mother? Or, were you referring to something else that I apparently have not heard of? Thank you.
@@knan75He and his little brother were murdered by their father. It is heartbreaking.
their dad set them on fire in the house
Did they find the mom?
Everytime I think about this case I'm haunted by how everyone failed those precious children.
Kid asked for food. She kept talking to him in an annoying voice without getting him food. That's all i am willing to watch.
He said she stayed where crystals grow. They grow in caves.
Crystals grow in more places than caves in Colorado. Dont know about Utah
Imagine if they had given him dolls, toy camping gear, a toy car, etc... and simply let him play ... possibly he might have re-enacted what he had seen. They also should have given him access to cratons and paper. This interview was handled completely wrong, as anyone who has ever dealt with small children should have known. Knowing how this case ended, knowing this boy never lives to his next birthday is heartbreaking.
I've never forgotten this interview w this sweet little boy Charlie. And his brother and mother Susan.
I pray she's found one day. 😢
This is one of the saddest I’ve ever heard. His entire family disappeared. Dad and his family should have all been locked up! A bunch of perverted people. Susan Powell had no idea of what was coming for her when she hooked up with the Powell family. My heart breaks for those little boys. It is truly sickening.
Poor little guy. He’s so sweet.
Exceptional little boy. Intelligent, engaging, articulate. Someone raised him right. Heartbreaking that the family is broken. Bless you heart Charlie, my prayers are with you for life.
He is an adorable child. And he should have been fed as soon as he said he was hungry.
Agreed
She doesn't seem to hear him when he says some of the flowers aren't pretty. I wonder what he meant about that. Maybe his dad instilled "pretty flowers" but, he thinks of them as not pretty because of what they could remind him of, or resemble. This is too sad.
Dead and/or dried, maybe. Still flowers.
I was thinking maybe some of them were dead on the bush. They’re not very pretty like that.
Cactus
Dried wheat like flowers?
Boy child is not taking care of even by the police.
She should be charged
Yeh, that's really good. Sweet baby going off script, trying to be truthful, authentic, and autonomous despite probable programming
I wonder if she has interviewed very many children. I think she would benefit from additional training.
how much 'training' does it take to know that if a child is hungry you give him something to eat, Common sense, common humanity, stop writing stuff down and scaring the kid - you're getting a video shot, so stop writing and get the kid some food and give him a cuddle or a hug if he wants it. And give him the writing pad and let him draw whatever he wants.
@drshirleyrollinson yeah, it was pretty ridiculous. I was cringing.
Did the lady have to write things down given the session was recorded. I think it would have been better if she were just paying attention to him.
So many opportunities to expand on where mommy was, was she awake and interacting with Charlie, was she 'sleepy,' was she walking around, what did she say, where did she go with Charlie, did she play with Charlie, did SHE make smores with Charlie etc missed. AND what did daddy say to mommy, where did they go? What did they do? And Charlie is hungry. Feed the poor child p-lease. SO frustrating!
Charlie Powell is no longer with us. His father killed him and his brother in February 2012. Rest in Peace, sweet boy.
The cold podcast did an absolutely Amazing job on the Susan Powell case! Truly can stop listening once you start, the best I’ve ever heard. ❤
Agree.
It's so perfect. I love seeing the interview
Such a sweet little boy, he and his brother losing their lives was so sad, but at least they got to go be with Mommy. RIP to all 3.
That's not a child-friendly environment, no toys, nothing to interact with. Poor little thing, is talking to the plant. Someone please, give this little boy a Happy Meal he's hungry!
I wish she had asked follow up questions: "We went to sleep": where did you sleep? Where was your mom sleeping? What time did you get up? "We went to a beach": What did it look like? Was there water there? Was there sand? Was the sun out? What did you do at the beach? It's too bad she doesn't follow up on all these strange details while it's fresh in his mind.
As he was eating & after people of any age open up when eating.
Hi Dave,
What a surprise that this came up in my feed. I loved your podcast COLD: The Susan Powell Story. I follow many podcasts. COLD was enthralling to listen to, your work was comprehensive and moving. It tops my list as being one of if not the very best podcast I've ever listened to. Thank you!
At the point the child said we left mom where the Crystal are, the husband should have been arrested. He was the last to see her.
That poor little guy. I can't keep watching knowing he was murdered.
I just read the background. Susan powell was never found. But shortly after her husband unalived charlie and his brother. WHY did authorities return children when next of kin is usually prime suspect. Get them safety and away from husband until he is cleared. They were witnesess to something i suspect.
Lower your voice, feed him and hand him some LEGOS so he can fiddle with something.
This is something new to me and I've always followed this case. Poor Charlie...he's not here with us anymore. He sure did remember where his mother was left after she was murdered. An abandoned mine. RIP Susan and boys.
They need to delve into why he does not like Debbie at daycare. I went to a pre school and my parents never knew what was going on.
It seems to me that everybody around him failed this little guy (and his brother). Two innocent lives lost because the adults didn't do what they are supposed to do; protect the children.
Omg her voice is so grating. And yes she's not interacting with his answers at all, poor little mite. I know she's trying to get information but at least try and befriend him and gain his trust instead of talking at him. Even hardened criminals are treated better, with detectives building rapport, and offering food.
This woman doesn't seem to work with or talk to children regularly.
I thought the same thing ‼️
Agreed. The high-pitched voice puts me on edge. I can’t imagine how it makes a little four-year-old feel. Also to put pressure on a child to tell the truth, puts them in a position to sensor what they say to try and please the other person.
Right, that high pitch is giving me hella anxiety
So the high pitched voice is how many women would speak to young children. She doesn’t know this little boy. She has to get him to trust her. Hence the sweet, sing-song voice.
@@ErinAboubut the high-pitched sing-song voice doesn’t work on most kids. Our generation was taught to speak to our children like you’d speak to an adult.
He clearly said they went in an AIRPLANE!!!
twice
It was a massive blizzard all night that night. No plane. Lived in area all my life. Worst snowstorm of that year. It was crazy and freezing cold. Freeway was even shut down for awhile.
Josh used to take the boys to an airport to watch planes taking off. I wonder if he told them they were going to do that later? Maybe Josh was bribing Charlie with a promise of going on a plane to keep him from talking about things that happened.
order this guy some food then...
The kid says he hasn't eaten all day, the time of him saying that is after 15:00. any competent person would make sure he ate immediately, instead of pressing ahead.. 0 OUT 10 for taking the needs of the child into consideration. The interviewer is not very good.
YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF FOR NOT FEEDING THE KID AFTER ASKING HIM IF HE WAS HUNGRY AND THEN JUST GOING ON TO INTERVIEW THE KID FOR 30 MINUTES!? WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE?!
Should have given this sweet child a juice box and snack and ask him if he needed a potty break.
Are you serious?? When a 4-year-old child says they have not eaten that day, you stop immediately and get that child some food! Not only because it's clearly bothering him as it's the first thing he talks about, but he is a young growing child who needs regular nourishment - ESPECIALLY if you want his brain to be functioning well to answer these kinds of questions! Is this woman even trained about children at all?! For the love of God lady
What a well spoken young boy.
This is so sad. I read that the father eventually blew up the house with himself and the two boys in it. Including this little angel Charlie. They all died.