Great info, all well documented by the companions and early grammarians who didnt see it a problem or in validating the Quran but Alhamdulilah for the video and dr sidky.
Is it possible to give a numerical value to the number of variants present in the Quran by applying the same scientific principles that numbers the variants in Biblical manuscripts. Also can we use the term that the Quran now available is a " copy of the copy of the copy.........."
@IvanSenseii88 😊 if u dig deeper, who knows you might see light 💡- Inshallah! ? Don’t stop 🛑 digging until the truth sets you free. The truth that the final revelation Alhamdulilahi is perfectly preserved - until end times. 😊 May Allah Guide us to the straight path; the path of those who you bestowed favor ; and not of those who have earned your anger; or of those who are astray. Amen! P.S I trust u will say Amen because you are praying to the ONE ☝️ true God. The Arab Christians whose mother tongue is Arabic name the ONE true god as Allah. 😊 Peace ✌️ to u.
@@eddiedann6472 I dug... and found out that not only that it is not perfectly preserved (as there exists over 30 different Arabic Qurans with varied verses), but also that the very method of that preservation was done in a very questionable and poor way. Mohammad had these revelations.. the only evidence that those revelations were real was... his word. Like, trust me they are real. These revelations were only collected *after* his death. No true effort was done to preserve God's message while his only messenger was actually alive. Only after his death, and that was all hearsay from his followers "Mohammad said this", "Mohammad said that" basically. This ultimately caused there to be different recitations and different Qurans. So Uthman decided it's time to stop. He destroyed all of them, and compiled the one single Quran, the Uthmanic codex, which Muslims propagate that it's the true one that is 'perfectly preserved down to the letter' Except it's not. The Hafs and Warsh texts have differences in words. This alone is enough to say the message isn't 100% preserved. But there's actually over 30 different Qurans (IN Arabic) that have these differences. Combine this with errors, contradictions, missing verses, holes in the narrative, and the fact that it is all built upon hearsay upon hearsay and upon more hearsay, and it is not difficult to see why some people are not convinced of its truthfulness. How can you be certain Mohammad wasn't lying, or that he had a mental condition that he was just hearing those voices? But let's say he wasn't lying, how can you be certain his followers managed to collect ALL the verses Allah passed down and didn't mess up a single one? Not only that, how do we know that Allah DID deliver ALL of his revelations before Mohammad's death? What if there were more that humans had to follow? But let's say they miraculously remembered ALL of his verses perfectly. How can you be certain Uthman did a proper job of compiling the Quran? How can you know he didn't omit or modify or forget or make a copying mistake? Remember, the technology of "copying" was extremely prone to errors back then. But let's say he did manage so somehow perfectly copy ALL of the verses AND they are all correct... How do we explain all these Quran variants.. how do we explain the missing verses, how can we call that a perfect preservation with all those factors in.... And even after ALL of that, assuming they managed to remember everything down to the letter, that Mohammad passed down everything down to the letter, that Uthman compiled it perfectly down to the letter, and this wasn't a lie.... How do you know that Mohammad actually received those revelations from Jibreel? What if it wasn't Jibreel? What if it was some other entity, claiming to be Jibreel? But even if it really WAS Jibreel, how can we know he managed to perfectly deliver Allah's message? Yes, he's an angel but not perfect. Just like Mohammad, Jibreel could've also messed up. And that leaves us with Allah himself. How can we know he's the true God? How do we know he's telling objective truths? Because he says so? And this isn't even taking into account the actual contents inside the Quran. It only gets worse when we start to dig even deeper and check what choice words God apparently had to say. For starters, I find his words extremely unfitting for an incredibly wise and intelligent being of infinite power to say. So yes people. Dig. And keep an open mind, and you will see these red flags pop up. Think critically.
@@MrLosches pfander and CIRA are both pretty biased. better channels that aren't corrupted by polemical fanaticism are exploring the quran and the bible, bottled petrichor, and skepsislamica. I think cira and pfander both peddle shoemaker's theory that al-hajjaj cannonized the quran, but take some time and watch dr. joshua little's skepsislamica episode talking about this and you'll see how dumb polemical fanaticism can make someone.
@@ahmadsafi9692 That is false, the differences go beyond the diacritical/grammar marks. Here’s an example: HAFS (57:24) [Those] who are stingy and enjoin upon people stinginess. And whoever turns away - then indeed, Allah is the Free of need (الله هو الغني), the Praiseworthy WARSH (57:24)[Those] who are stingy and enjoin upon people stinginess. And whoever turns away - then indeed, Allah, the Free of need (الله الغني), the Praiseworthy There is whole added word. So which version was in Uthmans mushaf?
@@MarvelousSquad i dont like praising Myself but Im the wrong guy to mess with when it comes to qiraat. The examples u brought are supported by the uthmani masahif and u Will find those differneces In early manuscripts. On Twitter i have refuted a lot of these claims. The one u brought is not even a shubha
@@ahmadsafi9692 how do you respond to the nature of the uthmanic variants having all the signs of a scribal errors Please don't say they just aren't. 🗿
And historical Jesus? The Biblical Jesus is a joke! Lies in the Name of God: Biblical Forgeries th-cam.com/video/keEHhY4JVX8/w-d-xo.html AMAZING! Revd Professor Keith Ward on Muhammad as a Prophet of God th-cam.com/video/FkeoGRT_ATE/w-d-xo.html The day Jesus denied he was God - and the later cover-up! th-cam.com/video/CxrerjcWHg4/w-d-xo.html Have a nice day!
Bart Ehrman comparing the Bible to the Quran, Bart said” The Quran is just not like that, Obviously, The Quran has been faithfully copied For many many centuries”
21:31. The guy doesn’t show what imam Abu Ubayd al Qasim Ibn Salam said so i Will qoute it: First he narrated: “i heard from Hajjaj from Harun from Asim al Jahdari said: “In the master copy of Uthman Ibn Affan wrote to the People it was written لله لله In them both without alif”. “The first one to read an alif In Them both was Nasir Ibn Assim al Laythi”. Then imam Abu Ubayd goes on to say: “And Nasir Ibn Assim al Laythi, the one mentioned In the narration of Assim al Jahdari, is from the masters of the reciters of Basra. He took these letters from Abi Al Aswad al Dauli from his ashyakh from the sahaba (May Allah be pleased with Them)”. Then he comments on the statement of Al Hassan al Basri that Ubaydullah Ibn Ziyad added it: “As for these kind of narrations then they are not Sahih to us because of the weakness In their transmission and it’s unrest and it going out of the normal”.
@@ceylon9744 dr van putten, dr shady nasser, dr sydki, dr brubaker And more that obviously teach islamic studies without a camera in their lecture hall
@@ceylon9744 there is no perfect preservation and therefore there is no miracle. What preservation exists for the Quran is the product of human effort.
@ Deier Favre To your question perfectly preserved? After very careful consideration of the entirety of material available on the subject; my conclusion/ answer to ur question is .. Yes! Absolutely yes. Perfectly preserved.
You wants to narate that's Quran preservation just like a Christian bible?...no..it's stupid to compare Quran to garbage like Christian bible...we Muslim have oral tradition transmission each person to person through memorize, our prophet obliged to Muslim to read regularly not like bible can only read by bishop or church until Marthin Luther revolt...so we have lots memorize Quran it's impossible to touch quranic word UNNOTICED....every correction in Ustman standard was minor..from different diallect..and understanding in transmission..and it's not touch any teaching in Islam and it's still preserve .....not add-on like Christian...like Trinity add-on , mark story about resurrection add-on , prostitute story add-on
@@Honestcritic79 which one specifically? you can search on the internet for the papers though... most of these are available under creative commons license so any one can access these...
so, now its official, that the received uthmanic copies had differences in them. or rather still had differences in them. and what the Qurans were before Uthman can be guessed from the Sanaa subtext.
You wants to narate that's Quran preservation just like a Christian bible?...no..it's stupid to compare Quran to garbage like Christian bible...we Muslim have oral tradition transmission each person to person through memorize, our prophet obliged to Muslim to read regularly not like bible can only read by bishop or church until Marthin Luther revolt...so we have lots memorize Quran it's impossible to touch quranic word UNNOTICED....every correction in Ustman standard was minor..from different diallect..and understanding in transmission..and it's not touch any teaching in Islam and it's still preserve .....not add-on like Christian...like Trinity add-on , mark story about resurrection add-on , prostitute story add-on
@@bangkomar009 if you had perfect oral tansmission, then why did Zaid collect the Quran twice and rewrite it, instead of just writing it down from memory ? hhh
You wants to narate that's Quran preservation just like a Christian bible?...no..it's stupid to compare Quran to garbage like Christian bible...we Muslim have oral tradition transmission each person to person through memorize, our prophet obliged to Muslim to read regularly not like bible can only read by bishop or church until Marthin Luther revolt...so we have lots memorize Quran it's impossible to touch quranic word UNNOTICED....every correction in Ustman standard was minor..from different diallect..and understanding in transmission..and it's not touch any teaching in Islam and it's still preserve .....not add-on like Christian...like Trinity add-on , mark story about resurrection add-on , prostitute story add-on
@@ohana_is_family lets me clear this...Quran well preserve than bible because Quran still has oral tradition kept until at this time...there is million Muslim memorize it...how many Christian memorize bible?...there is school in Islam for memorizing it, and school of how Quran recite ...in Christianity..can you still have one?...no oral transmission can be trace into Jesus & his dicipler ...it's tradition not survive
@@bangkomar009 If you only believe in Oral transmission, why not burn all Qurans, Bibles etc. ? I think you are talking nonsense. Written = verifiable = baseline. There is also the matter of what are you going to memorize.? It is not that hard to get many people to memorize oe book of under 300 pages. But how many will start memorizing hadiths and how accurate will that be over time? So I have no faith in what you claim.
To all Christians in comments rejoicing... how exactly does this prove the Quran is not preserved? In the bible you have whole new stories being invented, yet here you are rejoicing over a vowel or a letter differing... If anything this strengthens the Islamic mainstream narrative
That’s your problem You think our textual variants affect our faith It doesn’t The claims you make about the Quran We don’t make those claims about our bible We know it had textual variants and we know where those textual variants are x That’s why we have footnotes to show us what the original word was and what it was changed to The claims you make about the Quran that it has been preserved to the letter is becoming more and more obvious to everyone that those claims are lies and empty and you can’t prove it
@Saint Ramona🍀🤍 the scholar bart erhman has shown how the whole trinity creed was added inside the bible The early Christians had Jewish beliefs and concepts of God
All of you are pandering to some interpretation or another banded about by this or that orthodox group. None have you read any even classical scholars who differ from standard narratives. orthodox Sunni Islam has created a narrative it cannot sustain!
You wants to narate that's Quran preservation just like a Christian bible?...no..it's stupid to compare Quran to garbage like Christian bible...we Muslim have oral tradition transmission each person to person through memorize, our prophet obliged to Muslim to read regularly not like bible can only read by bishop or church until Marthin Luther revolt...so we have lots memorize Quran it's impossible to touch quranic word UNNOTICED....every correction in Ustman standard was minor..from different diallect..and understanding in transmission..and it's not touch any teaching in Islam and it's still preserve .....not add-on like Christian...like Trinity add-on , mark story about resurrection add-on , prostitute story add-on
@@Arius90 You wants to narate that's Quran preservation just like a Christian bible?...no..it's stupid to compare Quran to garbage like Christian bible...we Muslim have oral tradition transmission each person to person through memorize, our prophet obliged to Muslim to read regularly not like bible can only read by bishop or church until Marthin Luther revolt...so we have lots memorize Quran it's impossible to touch quranic word UNNOTICED....every correction in Ustman standard was minor..from different diallect..and understanding in transmission..and it's not touch any teaching in Islam and it's still preserve .....not add-on like Christian...like Trinity add-on , mark story about resurrection add-on , prostitute story add-on
@@MarvelousSquad we Muslim were more honest about our Quran..instead church which only bishop can read it untill martin lutern revolt..prophet teach us to read & memorize Quran regularly...and our oral transmission based on memorize Quran...was able for beeing proof by million of people memorize Quran untill now....so imposible people touch Quran word UNNOTICED...when you see Chechen behead french teacher for insulting prophet...it's would be more fatal if touching Quran word
@@bangkomar009you guys are honest? 😂 “not a single letter or word changed since it was revealed to muhammad”, that’s literally what muslims claim. A LIE, not honest at all. Dr. Yasir Qhadi even said in a video muslims shouldn’t talk about these kind of things in public, and that theres “holes in the narrative”, yeah REAL HONEST. 😂
@@MarvelousSquad what's you want to narative Quran preservation like a garbage like Christian bible...which not even single Cristian can read except bishop until 15 centuries 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣....our Quran hystorical preservation already documented in lots of sanad from sahih transmission....compare to garbage like bible which embarrassed add on ?🤣🤣🤣🤣....
@@MarvelousSquadThe speaker is muslim himself and he's not proving anything that goes against islamic believe. The Quran has been revealed in 7 dialects and how these are written doesn't change anything about reciting them in these arabic dialects. I wish people would understand this but it seems that a hart filled with hate isn't a logical one that actually listens to what is being said.
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Im glad somebody did my homework for me. May الله bless him and us.
Great info, all well documented by the companions and early grammarians who didnt see it a problem or in validating the Quran but Alhamdulilah for the video and dr sidky.
Is it possible to give a numerical value to the number of variants present in the Quran by applying the same scientific principles that numbers the variants in Biblical manuscripts.
Also can we use the term that the Quran now available is a " copy of the copy of the copy.........."
I'm having flashbacks of Sheikh Uthman proudly saying how all the manuscripts are written according to ONE MUSHAF. One and one only.
The myth of perfect preservation, the spear head for Islamic dawah is unraveling
@@sojernon8689
*Holy Quran is well preserved & protected*
@IvanSenseii88
😊 if u dig deeper, who knows you might see light 💡- Inshallah!
? Don’t stop 🛑 digging until the truth sets you free.
The truth that the final revelation Alhamdulilahi is perfectly preserved - until end times. 😊 May Allah Guide us to the straight path; the path of those who you bestowed favor ; and not of those who have earned your anger; or of those who are astray.
Amen!
P.S
I trust u will say Amen because you are praying to the ONE ☝️ true God. The Arab Christians whose mother tongue is Arabic name the ONE true god as Allah. 😊 Peace ✌️ to u.
@@ceylon9744 Absolutely! U have indeed spoken the truth.
May Allah swt Bless you for speaking out the truth. 😊🌸🤗
@@eddiedann6472 I dug... and found out that not only that it is not perfectly preserved (as there exists over 30 different Arabic Qurans with varied verses), but also that the very method of that preservation was done in a very questionable and poor way.
Mohammad had these revelations.. the only evidence that those revelations were real was... his word. Like, trust me they are real.
These revelations were only collected *after* his death. No true effort was done to preserve God's message while his only messenger was actually alive. Only after his death, and that was all hearsay from his followers "Mohammad said this", "Mohammad said that" basically.
This ultimately caused there to be different recitations and different Qurans. So Uthman decided it's time to stop. He destroyed all of them, and compiled the one single Quran, the Uthmanic codex, which Muslims propagate that it's the true one that is 'perfectly preserved down to the letter'
Except it's not. The Hafs and Warsh texts have differences in words. This alone is enough to say the message isn't 100% preserved. But there's actually over 30 different Qurans (IN Arabic) that have these differences.
Combine this with errors, contradictions, missing verses, holes in the narrative, and the fact that it is all built upon hearsay upon hearsay and upon more hearsay, and it is not difficult to see why some people are not convinced of its truthfulness.
How can you be certain Mohammad wasn't lying, or that he had a mental condition that he was just hearing those voices?
But let's say he wasn't lying, how can you be certain his followers managed to collect ALL the verses Allah passed down and didn't mess up a single one? Not only that, how do we know that Allah DID deliver ALL of his revelations before Mohammad's death? What if there were more that humans had to follow?
But let's say they miraculously remembered ALL of his verses perfectly. How can you be certain Uthman did a proper job of compiling the Quran? How can you know he didn't omit or modify or forget or make a copying mistake? Remember, the technology of "copying" was extremely prone to errors back then.
But let's say he did manage so somehow perfectly copy ALL of the verses AND they are all correct... How do we explain all these Quran variants.. how do we explain the missing verses, how can we call that a perfect preservation with all those factors in....
And even after ALL of that, assuming they managed to remember everything down to the letter, that Mohammad passed down everything down to the letter, that Uthman compiled it perfectly down to the letter, and this wasn't a lie....
How do you know that Mohammad actually received those revelations from Jibreel? What if it wasn't Jibreel? What if it was some other entity, claiming to be Jibreel?
But even if it really WAS Jibreel, how can we know he managed to perfectly deliver Allah's message? Yes, he's an angel but not perfect. Just like Mohammad, Jibreel could've also messed up.
And that leaves us with Allah himself. How can we know he's the true God? How do we know he's telling objective truths? Because he says so?
And this isn't even taking into account the actual contents inside the Quran. It only gets worse when we start to dig even deeper and check what choice words God apparently had to say. For starters, I find his words extremely unfitting for an incredibly wise and intelligent being of infinite power to say.
So yes people. Dig. And keep an open mind, and you will see these red flags pop up. Think critically.
Excellent talk. I love textual criticism, so interesting. Muslim summary of this research: Not a single dot was ever changed!
I get confused when it comes to issues related to textual criticism. Can you recommend a book for starters please?
@MrLosches watch some of Pfander Films and CIRA international videos TH-cam on this subject.
@@MrLosches Watch the video of Dr Ali Ataie ON PRESERVATION OF Quran
@@MrLosches pfander and CIRA are both pretty biased. better channels that aren't corrupted by polemical fanaticism are exploring the quran and the bible, bottled petrichor, and skepsislamica. I think cira and pfander both peddle shoemaker's theory that al-hajjaj cannonized the quran, but take some time and watch dr. joshua little's skepsislamica episode talking about this and you'll see how dumb polemical fanaticism can make someone.
lol. Keep believing the lies. No academic scholar on textual criticism either believes that or promotes that lie.
So how do the 7 Ahruf factor into this?
To explain:
The masahif Were first written without dots so they could acommedate for the 7 ahruf.
If you have questions i Will answer them.
@@ahmadsafi9692 That is false, the differences go beyond the diacritical/grammar marks. Here’s an example:
HAFS (57:24) [Those] who are stingy and enjoin upon people stinginess. And whoever turns away - then indeed, Allah is the Free of need (الله هو الغني), the Praiseworthy
WARSH (57:24)[Those] who are stingy and enjoin upon people stinginess. And whoever turns away - then indeed, Allah, the Free of need (الله الغني), the Praiseworthy
There is whole added word. So which version was in Uthmans mushaf?
@@MarvelousSquad i dont like praising Myself but Im the wrong guy to mess with when it comes to qiraat. The examples u brought are supported by the uthmani masahif and u Will find those differneces In early manuscripts. On Twitter i have refuted a lot of these claims. The one u brought is not even a shubha
@@ahmadsafi9692 “the examples u brought are supported by uthmani mushaf”
lol how? you have the original mushaf? you studied it?
@@ahmadsafi9692 how do you respond to the nature of the uthmanic variants having all the signs of a scribal errors
Please don't say they just aren't. 🗿
"Muhammad never seen the light of day with a Quran in his hands."
Surah of Holes 999:8
And historical Jesus? The Biblical Jesus is a joke!
Lies in the Name of God: Biblical Forgeries
th-cam.com/video/keEHhY4JVX8/w-d-xo.html
AMAZING! Revd Professor Keith Ward on Muhammad as a Prophet of God
th-cam.com/video/FkeoGRT_ATE/w-d-xo.html
The day Jesus denied he was God - and the later cover-up!
th-cam.com/video/CxrerjcWHg4/w-d-xo.html
Have a nice day!
Bart Ehrman comparing the Bible to the Quran, Bart said”
The Quran is just not like that, Obviously, The Quran has been faithfully copied For many many centuries”
The only hole 🕳️ is on your neck
21:31. The guy doesn’t show what imam Abu Ubayd al Qasim Ibn Salam said so i Will qoute it:
First he narrated: “i heard from Hajjaj from Harun from Asim al Jahdari said: “In the master copy of Uthman Ibn Affan wrote to the People it was written لله لله In them both without alif”. “The first one to read an alif In Them both was Nasir Ibn Assim al Laythi”.
Then imam Abu Ubayd goes on to say: “And Nasir Ibn Assim al Laythi, the one mentioned In the narration of Assim al Jahdari, is from the masters of the reciters of Basra. He took these letters from Abi Al Aswad al Dauli from his ashyakh from the sahaba (May Allah be pleased with Them)”.
Then he comments on the statement of Al Hassan al Basri that Ubaydullah Ibn Ziyad added it: “As for these kind of narrations then they are not Sahih to us because of the weakness In their transmission and it’s unrest and it going out of the normal”.
what't the point please explain.
This type of scholarship spells the end of Islam.
*Lying against Islam does not work out*
@@ceylon9744 you think western professors are lying?
@@arabic7boy
*Western Professors?*
*Who are they?*
@@ceylon9744 dr van putten, dr shady nasser, dr sydki, dr brubaker
And more that obviously teach islamic studies without a camera in their lecture hall
@@ceylon9744 there is no perfect preservation and therefore there is no miracle. What preservation exists for the Quran is the product of human effort.
If Quran is a word of Allah, how come there are variant between different mushafs,
Who is this Dr.Sidky? Could you give his full name and his credential.
Perfectly preserved?
@ Deier Favre
To your question perfectly preserved?
After very careful consideration of the entirety of material available on the subject; my conclusion/ answer to ur question is ..
Yes! Absolutely yes. Perfectly preserved.
@@eddiedann6472 You are good at joking.
@@didierfavre2356 yeah, you obviously know better than everyone else.
@@husnainkhalil2554 Are you referring to the joke I received as an answer to my question?
@@didierfavre2356 no I'm referring to the fact that the academic consensus is that the Qur'an has been preserved.
🤔 there are holes in the standard Islamic narratives.
*What are the holes?*
You wants to narate that's Quran preservation just like a Christian bible?...no..it's stupid to compare Quran to garbage like Christian bible...we Muslim have oral tradition transmission each person to person through memorize, our prophet obliged to Muslim to read regularly not like bible can only read by bishop or church until Marthin Luther revolt...so we have lots memorize Quran it's impossible to touch quranic word UNNOTICED....every correction in Ustman standard was minor..from different diallect..and understanding in transmission..and it's not touch any teaching in Islam and it's still preserve .....not add-on like Christian...like Trinity add-on , mark story about resurrection add-on , prostitute story add-on
@@bangkomar009 u are just reciting anti trinitarian lectionary..fabricated notes in aramiac...thanks God for Internet busting ☪️
@@greenzone7371 Paul follower who believe in Paul created GOD trinatarian pagan🤦🤦...not even Moses teach that's.....pagan worshipper
@@bangkomar009 that’s an opinion, you can’t prove it
I get confused when it comes to issues related to textual criticism. Can you recommend a book for starters please?
@Rishal Charles thats 'outdated' now. i'd rather you picked up Dr. Sidky's own paper and went through it. Also papers by Marijn van Puttin.
@@myc.podcast can you name it please?
@@Honestcritic79 which one specifically? you can search on the internet for the papers though... most of these are available under creative commons license so any one can access these...
so, now its official, that the received uthmanic copies had differences in them. or rather still had differences in them. and what the Qurans were before Uthman can be guessed from the Sanaa subtext.
but the good thing is you can talk and teach about that stuff without hiding behind a pseudonym, or living completely anonymously ...
You wants to narate that's Quran preservation just like a Christian bible?...no..it's stupid to compare Quran to garbage like Christian bible...we Muslim have oral tradition transmission each person to person through memorize, our prophet obliged to Muslim to read regularly not like bible can only read by bishop or church until Marthin Luther revolt...so we have lots memorize Quran it's impossible to touch quranic word UNNOTICED....every correction in Ustman standard was minor..from different diallect..and understanding in transmission..and it's not touch any teaching in Islam and it's still preserve .....not add-on like Christian...like Trinity add-on , mark story about resurrection add-on , prostitute story add-on
@@bangkomar009 if you had perfect oral tansmission, then why did Zaid collect the Quran twice and rewrite it, instead of just writing it down from memory ? hhh
@@Peter-xf9jy because everyone memorized a specific portion. Then they compiled the memorized portion.
@@Honestcritic79 what portion ? did you have part-time memoriser? and it says variants spellings in the written text.
There is no problem with the mushafs being Heinz 57 type of variations...... until one tries to claim that they are all 1 unpolluted word of Allah.
You wants to narate that's Quran preservation just like a Christian bible?...no..it's stupid to compare Quran to garbage like Christian bible...we Muslim have oral tradition transmission each person to person through memorize, our prophet obliged to Muslim to read regularly not like bible can only read by bishop or church until Marthin Luther revolt...so we have lots memorize Quran it's impossible to touch quranic word UNNOTICED....every correction in Ustman standard was minor..from different diallect..and understanding in transmission..and it's not touch any teaching in Islam and it's still preserve .....not add-on like Christian...like Trinity add-on , mark story about resurrection add-on , prostitute story add-on
@@bangkomar009 The bible is part of your scriptures too. Are you a blasphemer?
@@ohana_is_family lets me clear this...Quran well preserve than bible because Quran still has oral tradition kept until at this time...there is million Muslim memorize it...how many Christian memorize bible?...there is school in Islam for memorizing it, and school of how Quran recite ...in Christianity..can you still have one?...no oral transmission can be trace into Jesus & his dicipler ...it's tradition not survive
@@ohana_is_family and in Islam we only believe in oral transmission originally from Jesus and his dicipler...and it's not survive
@@bangkomar009 If you only believe in Oral transmission, why not burn all Qurans, Bibles etc. ?
I think you are talking nonsense. Written = verifiable = baseline. There is also the matter of what are you going to memorize.? It is not that hard to get many people to memorize oe book of under 300 pages. But how many will start memorizing hadiths and how accurate will that be over time?
So I have no faith in what you claim.
To all Christians in comments rejoicing... how exactly does this prove the Quran is not preserved?
In the bible you have whole new stories being invented, yet here you are rejoicing over a vowel or a letter differing...
If anything this strengthens the Islamic mainstream narrative
That’s your problem
You think our textual variants affect our faith
It doesn’t
The claims you make about the Quran
We don’t make those claims about our bible
We know it had textual variants and we know where those textual variants are x
That’s why we have footnotes to show us what the original word was and what it was changed to
The claims you make about the Quran that it has been preserved to the letter is becoming more and more obvious to everyone that those claims are lies and empty and you can’t prove it
@Saint Ramona🍀🤍 the scholar bart erhman has shown how the whole trinity creed was added inside the bible
The early Christians had Jewish beliefs and concepts of God
@@stadiamak692Christianity is based on God, not scholars, kiddo. While your false religion called islam is based on humans.😂😂😂
Farids response is worse than his suns sets in the earth excuse.
Is it about the Split moon not being seen because it was night and people were sleeping?
@@chrisazure1624
*How can people like drunkards can see the splitting moon?*
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
*Even a layman knows sun does not set*
😜😜😜😜😜😜😜😜😜
All of you are pandering to some interpretation or another banded about by this or that orthodox group. None have you read any even classical scholars who differ from standard narratives. orthodox Sunni Islam has created a narrative it cannot sustain!
Ha ha that whabiii defendar is worst , I guess
There was a mushaf sent to Makkah too
According to his analysis prove Quran is written by human and developed with the time.
No Mecca in the variants - it's "no Mecca" again!
Holes holes
*Read Holy Quran and Hadees and embrace Islam*
*Jesus was a Muslim and his faith was Islam*
@@lastsupperapologetics5710
*What are you babbling like born again idiots?*
You wants to narate that's Quran preservation just like a Christian bible?...no..it's stupid to compare Quran to garbage like Christian bible...we Muslim have oral tradition transmission each person to person through memorize, our prophet obliged to Muslim to read regularly not like bible can only read by bishop or church until Marthin Luther revolt...so we have lots memorize Quran it's impossible to touch quranic word UNNOTICED....every correction in Ustman standard was minor..from different diallect..and understanding in transmission..and it's not touch any teaching in Islam and it's still preserve .....not add-on like Christian...like Trinity add-on , mark story about resurrection add-on , prostitute story add-on
@@bangkomar009 you’re just copying and pasting
You can’t prove it
@@ceylon9744 How is Jesus a Muslim
Prove it😂
Did he ever do Hajj
Or take shahada
Or kiss the black stone
Or pray 5 times daily
Is this a channel to critique islam im confused
@@Arius90 You wants to narate that's Quran preservation just like a Christian bible?...no..it's stupid to compare Quran to garbage like Christian bible...we Muslim have oral tradition transmission each person to person through memorize, our prophet obliged to Muslim to read regularly not like bible can only read by bishop or church until Marthin Luther revolt...so we have lots memorize Quran it's impossible to touch quranic word UNNOTICED....every correction in Ustman standard was minor..from different diallect..and understanding in transmission..and it's not touch any teaching in Islam and it's still preserve .....not add-on like Christian...like Trinity add-on , mark story about resurrection add-on , prostitute story add-on
@@bangkomar009 lol dude watch the video and stop lying to us, your book has been changed
@@MarvelousSquad we Muslim were more honest about our Quran..instead church which only bishop can read it untill martin lutern revolt..prophet teach us to read & memorize Quran regularly...and our oral transmission based on memorize Quran...was able for beeing proof by million of people memorize Quran untill now....so imposible people touch Quran word UNNOTICED...when you see Chechen behead french teacher for insulting prophet...it's would be more fatal if touching Quran word
@@bangkomar009you guys are honest? 😂 “not a single letter or word changed since it was revealed to muhammad”, that’s literally what muslims claim. A LIE, not honest at all.
Dr. Yasir Qhadi even said in a video muslims shouldn’t talk about these kind of things in public, and that theres “holes in the narrative”, yeah REAL HONEST. 😂
@@MarvelousSquad what's you want to narative Quran preservation like a garbage like Christian bible...which not even single Cristian can read except bishop until 15 centuries 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣....our Quran hystorical preservation already documented in lots of sanad from sahih transmission....compare to garbage like bible which embarrassed add on ?🤣🤣🤣🤣....
Breastfeeding of adult😂😂
The madness of الله 🥴🥴🥴
Imagine spending time doing serious academic research for this stupid book. What a waste of time.
Totally waste lecture, waste of time... 😂
why? because he’s literally proving there are changes in the quran? 😂
@@MarvelousSquadThe speaker is muslim himself and he's not proving anything that goes against islamic believe. The Quran has been revealed in 7 dialects and how these are written doesn't change anything about reciting them in these arabic dialects. I wish people would understand this but it seems that a hart filled with hate isn't a logical one that actually listens to what is being said.
@@MrTuticmen Nope, Quran 3:146 in hafs says they fought while hafs 3:146 says they were killed.
@@salomonkalou9002 you probably got this from islamphobes