I have to admit, I have learned more about locksmithing through TH-cam, than from a correspondence course I took on the subject.Keep up the good work P.J.!
@@clksupplies your better then a lot of other videos. Sometimes they leave out one thing bc they are so used to doing it and ppl end up having to go to the good ole local lock shop lmao.
I am currently taking a locksmithing course with foley belsaw and I found this at first to be an absolute nightmare of a concept. the written number charts were confusing and the explanations were hard for me to understand just written. I found myself re-reading the same long winded explanations over and over trying to get it! this video made me realize that this is actually much more simple than I thought and I now have a much better understanding of the progressions and the math involved and It has really helped me get through those parts of the course!
I’m a locksmith in training whom is having a hard time understanding how to repenting a cylinder and create a master key system progression system can you help please?
Great explanation PJ, I appreciate your going through all that. Took me a couple of views to understand the bit at the end (20:55) about using smaller top pins for chambers with master pins but I think I understand - it’s because normally (in your example) with no mastering, when the lock is used there’s only a spring and .200 top pin, but with mastering, depending on which key is used (change or master) the master wafer might *also* get pushed up into the bible with the top pin, which the spring wasn’t really designed for and which causes excess pushback when inserting/removing the key. At least that’s my take on it 😊
Nice thorough videos PJ! Thank you for the detailed explanation. Your videos are much easier to follow than printed versions! You're the best! #Lockboss
Ok I see one sub master what if you want more 49674 where do you get them. love both your videos on this I'm very new to this but love this part of it.
Ok, I've found a spec sheet for Schlage locks that calls out a .200 top pin for a bottom pins 4,5,6. So if I add a master 2 to a 4 I'll get a functional 6 and I think that should be good with the .200 top. Do I have that right, #lockboss?
Good video. You had me right up until you introduced the sub-master key. What is the sub-master and how does it work? Does it work any of the locks except for the ones keyed only for the Master? Everything I read on-line about it was just confusing. Help from anyone would be appreciated.
A submaster works under a grandmaster key. Basically imagine the submaster as masterkey A and all the change key under it are called a1, a2 and so on. Now imagine you have a couple of submaster key (a, b and c) all having their own change keys that only the specific submaster can open, meanwhile the grandmaster key can open everything.
@@kurogane2x Thanks. I'd forgotten I'd posted this. I've learned a lot about master-keying since that original post but thinks for taking the time to reply.
Hey PJ- This must be a more advanced step? I don't even know what your talking about at square one. Lol Where should I search for a problem that would require Master Keying? I guess I need to know what that is to begin with. I'm a dummy..but you are making me smarter! Thanks
Hey, no worries! Progression systems at first seem complicated but you WILL get it. I would recommend downloading the worksheet and following along while filling it out! -PJ
A true master key system is required on places like Hotels and Resorts as well as places with many employees that should only have access to certain locations. A true understanding of Master Key Systems is needed to lay out a property such as the Venetian resort in Las Vegas and Macau and Singapore. Yes, the guest rooms are all electronic locks, but the back of house doors are all still mechanical and tracking every key issued to employees and outside contractors. Why? Electronic locks are for tracking guest room entries so the casinos do not have to pay out robbery claims, but are easier to bypass than mechanical systems. Some doors are accessible by Housekeeping, some by Engineering, some by Security, Food and Beverage, Marketing etc. Each department is issued a master level key to their area and those areas area also have their individual keys. But the Theoretical Master will work everything. Sub-masters are automatic once you have chosen the parameters for your master key system. If you understand the entire system you can choose a sub master down to fitting only four patterns, where a column master fits 16 patterns in a Column down the system. A Row Master fits 16 patterns in a row, etc, you can find more sub-masters than usable change patterns in a master key system.
I am learning so much from you. I appreciate your effort because I know you must be a busy guy. I have a real passion for locksmithing, and am trying to learn all I can. I do have one question though; in your example it looks like the #1 key cuts would be shallower than the master cuts. I watched another video (not one of yours) that said your master key cuts should be the shallowest because otherwise a service key could be cut to fit the master. I look forward to hearing your thoughts on this.
Thanks. That makes sense. Learning all the time, lol. I'm a maintenance man and I had my first experience with an Adams Rite style door today. That's a learning experience.
Somehow I missed seeing both your videos on master keying. Anyhow, I'm still in the learning process but have master keyed a small number of Kwikset locks and I purchased your master keying kit for schlage that provides the master key, user keys and chart. I don't care for those Schlage f-series. They don't seem like good candidates for master keying. Are they a problem to m.k. or could it be my lack of experience? Thanks for this series of videos. Hopefully I can download the info at the provided links. #Lockboss
_i do not like this progression style. The first problem with these to much additional shearlines is that in total 32 possible combinations are able to open each lock. If you have the 05274 (M) and 27496, than might 27474 or 27476 and so on also opens this lock,especially when You use very common keyway like KW1 or SC1 ..... and picking is more easier._ _the next, when You have this change key 27496 this is able to open every cylinder when you pull little bit the key, so that the angel on the cuts lift the pins in the hight of the master key._ _if somebody is a real __#lockboss__ than avoid these style of master pinning cylinders. Greeeeeeetings._
Verbally explaining this and getting people to understand it seems difficult but seeing the written example and explaining makes it 10x easier.
I have to admit, I have learned more about locksmithing through TH-cam, than from a correspondence course I took on the subject.Keep up the good work P.J.!
Thanks Lokpikr999! -PJ
@@clksupplies your better then a lot of other videos. Sometimes they leave out one thing bc they are so used to doing it and ppl end up having to go to the good ole local lock shop lmao.
I am currently taking a locksmithing course with foley belsaw and I found this at first to be an absolute nightmare of a concept. the written number charts were confusing and the explanations were hard for me to understand just written. I found myself re-reading the same long winded explanations over and over trying to get it! this video made me realize that this is actually much more simple than I thought and I now have a much better understanding of the progressions and the math involved and It has really helped me get through those parts of the course!
Thank you for explaining that so clearly. I've been looking for this info for a while, believe it or not. Fantastic job, thanks again!!
Great! I'm glad it was helpful.- PJ
This was extremely helpful and well done. The worksheets top notch. Thank you!
I 'm taking the Locksmithing class at PGCC. Your youtube channel is a big help.
I’m a locksmith in training whom is having a hard time understanding how to repenting a cylinder and create a master key system progression system can you help please?
Trying doing the math with me in this video -PJ
Great explanation PJ, I appreciate your going through all that. Took me a couple of views to understand the bit at the end (20:55) about using smaller top pins for chambers with master pins but I think I understand - it’s because normally (in your example) with no mastering, when the lock is used there’s only a spring and .200 top pin, but with mastering, depending on which key is used (change or master) the master wafer might *also* get pushed up into the bible with the top pin, which the spring wasn’t really designed for and which causes excess pushback when inserting/removing the key. At least that’s my take on it 😊
100% Nice work Chirael the #lockboss ! -PJ
When doing this system with kwikset the numbers jump from odd to even. Can this cause problems with the master keying process?
How did you come up with the master key code 05274 was it off of the a key
I think just random -PJ
Very good video thanks
I'm looking for master key generator threw PC, can you help me with the software name and how I can get it please
This is a good basic one www.clksupplies.com/products/aero-key-master-keying-software
PJ where is the PDF you are talking about in the video?
In the notes section under the video you will find the link-PJ
Nice thorough videos PJ! Thank you for the detailed explanation. Your videos are much easier to follow than printed versions! You're the best! #Lockboss
This was absolutely epic 3 year old this video and still relevant, 100% golden advice and learning #lockboss
PJ unable to access the PDV File. Any and all help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. V/r, Father Frank
Frank, send us an email at sales@clksupplies.com and we will make sure you get what you need! -PJ
Tap on the heading 101 scroll down you will see it.
Ok I see one sub master what if you want more 49674 where do you get them. love both your videos on this I'm very new to this but love this part of it.
Ok, I've found a spec sheet for Schlage locks that calls out a .200 top pin for a bottom pins 4,5,6. So if I add a master 2 to a 4 I'll get a functional 6 and I think that should be good with the .200 top. Do I have that right, #lockboss?
Yes Sir! -PJ
Good video. You had me right up until you introduced the sub-master key. What is the sub-master and how does it work? Does it work any of the locks except for the ones keyed only for the Master? Everything I read on-line about it was just confusing. Help from anyone would be appreciated.
A submaster works under a grandmaster key. Basically imagine the submaster as masterkey A and all the change key under it are called a1, a2 and so on.
Now imagine you have a couple of submaster key (a, b and c) all having their own change keys that only the specific submaster can open, meanwhile the grandmaster key can open everything.
@@kurogane2x Thanks. I'd forgotten I'd posted this. I've learned a lot about master-keying since that original post but thinks for taking the time to reply.
Great Job PJ Keep it up and Thanks
Thanks Jack- PJ
Okay, it actually makes sense now! THANK YOU!
Great! -PJ
The video popped up again, still as good as the first time 👍🏼 #lockboss
Haha, thanks!-PJ
What is MACS for kwikset?
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High quality video! Keep it up
Awsome job on explaining.
Thanks-PJ
Hey PJ- This must be a more advanced step? I don't even know what your talking about at square one. Lol Where should I search for a problem that would require Master Keying? I guess I need to know what that is to begin with. I'm a dummy..but you are making me smarter! Thanks
Hey, no worries! Progression systems at first seem complicated but you WILL get it. I would recommend downloading the worksheet and following along while filling it out! -PJ
A true master key system is required on places like Hotels and Resorts as well as places with many employees that should only have access to certain locations. A true understanding of Master Key Systems is needed to lay out a property such as the Venetian resort in Las Vegas and Macau and Singapore. Yes, the guest rooms are all electronic locks, but the back of house doors are all still mechanical and tracking every key issued to employees and outside contractors. Why? Electronic locks are for tracking guest room entries so the casinos do not have to pay out robbery claims, but are easier to bypass than mechanical systems. Some doors are accessible by Housekeeping, some by Engineering, some by Security, Food and Beverage, Marketing etc. Each department is issued a master level key to their area and those areas area also have their individual keys. But the Theoretical Master will work everything. Sub-masters are automatic once you have chosen the parameters for your master key system. If you understand the entire system you can choose a sub master down to fitting only four patterns, where a column master fits 16 patterns in a Column down the system. A Row Master fits 16 patterns in a row, etc, you can find more sub-masters than usable change patterns in a master key system.
@@thekeywizard3313 Thanks KW.. Since original post I have gotten familiar with things. I apricate the info!! G$
Nice job pj thank from rialto lock and key
Thanks Tom- PJ
I am learning so much from you. I appreciate your effort because I know you must be a busy guy. I have a real passion for locksmithing, and am trying to learn all I can. I do have one question though; in your example it looks like the #1 key cuts would be shallower than the master cuts. I watched another video (not one of yours) that said your master key cuts should be the shallowest because otherwise a service key could be cut to fit the master. I look forward to hearing your thoughts on this.
Hi, you want to have 1 cut on the master key that is the shallowest depth available-PJ
Thanks. That makes sense. Learning all the time, lol. I'm a maintenance man and I had my first experience with an Adams Rite style door today. That's a learning experience.
Can’t figure out if you’re looking at the camera or above it :) good work on these vids man!
Me neither!! 🤣-PJ
@@clksupplies :)))
I’d like a full KBA presentation done on TH-cam so people can see how complex a system can be
Somehow I missed seeing both your videos on master keying. Anyhow, I'm still in the learning process but have master keyed a small number of Kwikset locks and I purchased your master keying kit for schlage that provides the master key, user keys and chart.
I don't care for those Schlage f-series. They don't seem like good candidates for master keying. Are they a problem to m.k. or could it be my lack of experience?
Thanks for this series of videos. Hopefully I can download the info at the provided links. #Lockboss
Yeah, the compressible f series are to be avoided if possible to master Key-PJ
@@clksupplies Thanks for taking the time to answer, P.J.
👍😎🤠🇺🇲
Anytime Jim-PJ
Great info thank you :)
You folks are a blessing! i was having trouble in my course work with this portion. Thanks!
🙌-PJ
Best video on here. Number two is good to. #lockboss
Not a lot of info on this you have the best info and a couple others not bad.
thanks, i like learning, new things #Lockboss
Thanks again for a great video! #lockboss
When master keying a system use a follow through designed to drop all the old top pins out. Never try to remove them one at a time.
🙌-PJ
Very in treating #lockboss
_i do not like this progression style. The first problem with these to much additional shearlines is that in total 32 possible combinations are able to open each lock. If you have the 05274 (M) and 27496, than might 27474 or 27476 and so on also opens this lock,especially when You use very common keyway like KW1 or SC1 ..... and picking is more easier._
_the next, when You have this change key 27496 this is able to open every cylinder when you pull little bit the key, so that the angel on the cuts lift the pins in the hight of the master key._
_if somebody is a real __#lockboss__ than avoid these style of master pinning cylinders. Greeeeeeetings._
It's ok to blink, man!
😂 -PJ
@@clksupplies Oh...and I love the videos!
awesome tips #lockboss
You forgot to mention the stack cannot add up to more than 9#lockboss
#lockboss
Mi pregunta es si usted entiende lo que está explicando!!!!!!????????
Has anyone ever told you that you look very much like Dave McComie?
You would be the first! -PJ