Derivative of The Factorial Function

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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 เม.ย. 2024
  • In this video, I showed how to differentiate the factorial function obtained from the shifted Gamma function, the pi function.

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  • @toastdog214
    @toastdog214 หลายเดือนก่อน +114

    I love how you always find an intersting topic and go down a deep rabbit hole of making maybe 10 videos about that topic. Truly shows your passion for mathematics and the true desire to learn more. Never stop learning

  • @darickmendes969
    @darickmendes969 หลายเดือนก่อน +62

    I honestly enjoy seeing your enthusiasm for mathematics , you have way more passion and better teacher then all the math profs I had in my university haha

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    @roberthowes6614 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    You, Sir, are the epitome of what teaching with passion is all about.

  • @darrynreid4500
    @darrynreid4500 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    It's a great choice of a problem for students to build an understanding of what's going on. I can see how you put a lot of thought into example selection, and your subsequent delivery for an audience is something to be admired.

  • @jethrobo3581
    @jethrobo3581 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wow! You're one of the most fantastic instructors I have ever seen! Great video!

  • @KaushikAdhikari
    @KaushikAdhikari หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    6:42 John 1:4? Amen
    Thanks for the tutorial ❤

  • @WhiteGandalfs
    @WhiteGandalfs หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Well, it's useful to have a sufficiently appropriate "coarse feeling" of the value. The integral at the end is not straightaway self-explanatory, so lets make sense of it!
    Maybe for the "coarse feeling" of the derivative, we don't need to take the exact value of the gamma function. By taking the difference over a full 1 in x, then taking the "appropriate" average...
    difference one up: (x+1)! - x! == x!*(x+1) - x! == x! * ((x+1)-1) == x! * x
    difference one down: x! - (x-1)! = (x-1)! * (x-1)
    Since the series is growing by multiplication (by a rather constant factor, since the difference between x and x+1 for the growths is the smaller the bigger x becomes), it is appropriate to take the geometric average from the difference up und down to get a pretty good fitting approximation of the value for the difference at spot x:
    average (one up, one down) = sqrt( x! * x * (x-1)! * (x-1) ) == sqrt( x!^2 * (x-1) ) == x! * sqrt(x-1)
    The "-1" in the sqrt we can qietly ignore since the whole thing goes about a "coarse feeling" anyways, thus we land at:
    derivative (x!) ≈ x! * sqrt(x)
    That's a very easy to remember (but very coarse) approximation for practical usage.
    Check with Wolfram Alpha yields that this is actually better approximated by:
    derivative ((x-1)!) ≈ x! / (sqrt(x) * ln(sqrt(x)))
    The "-1" on the LHS because the Gamma function is one of against the factorial function.
    To rectify that for easier use:
    derivative (x!) ≈ x! * sqrt(x) / ln(sqrt(x))
    That is sufficiently easy to remember and to calculate and in the range of a few percentage off the exact value. And it gives a good "feeling" for the look of that derivative function.

    • @xenmaifirebringer552
      @xenmaifirebringer552 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks for the extra insight and explanation!
      I think for a coarse approximation you could also differentiate Stirling's factorial formula. I'm curious if that'd look anything similar to the approximation you explained.

  • @devcoolkol
    @devcoolkol หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    I was just wondering about this a few days ago, can't stop living!

  • @kianushmaleki
    @kianushmaleki หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I like it when you smile. Love the videos ❤️

  • @anthonydevellis6708
    @anthonydevellis6708 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

    these are the most wholesome advanced calculus videos ive ever seen in my life. i say advanced calculus only because my high school calculus teacher was a devoutly religious, elderly vietnamese woman who stood 4'11"

  • @journeymantraveller3338
    @journeymantraveller3338 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great delivery and informative.

  •  หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Good job.
    You can actually represent the derivative of the gamma function using the definition of the digamma function and its series representation. Keep up the good work!

  • @jeanagulay3479
    @jeanagulay3479 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Sir your videos helps me a lot..
    From Iloilo Philippines ❤❤❤

  • @rav3nx33
    @rav3nx33 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    They are some clean as hell blackboards you got there. 😜 You do good work man, love the pace and energy

  • @josephwellinghoff1259
    @josephwellinghoff1259 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Very clearly explained...thanks

  • @Supercatzs
    @Supercatzs 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great videos! Love the scripture at the end.

  • @AaryanK-wp6vi
    @AaryanK-wp6vi 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I think you are very very ... passionate about mathematics. The 10s of videos you make about the same topic in different ways show this. And I like your way of explanation that is different from other YT people. I hope you do more videos like this

  • @pk2712
    @pk2712 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    There is another maybe shorter way to show that the partial derivative with respect to x of t^x is ln(x)t^x . We know that t is considered as a constant . The derivative with respect to x of y=e^(ax) is ae^(ax) . Start with t = e^(lnt) ( where t and also lnt are constants ) and substitute this into t^x = (e^(lnt))^x = e^[(lnt)x}] . Now the derivative with respect to x of this last expression is lnxe^[(lnt)x} . But , in this last equation we know that e^[(lnt)x} = t^x ; therefore , the partial derivative with respect to x of t^x is (lnt)t^x .

  • @douglasstrother6584
    @douglasstrother6584 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    You, Michael Penn & Papa Flammy all make me miss *real* chalkboards.

  • @iithomepatnamanojsir
    @iithomepatnamanojsir หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very nice lecture

  • @kragiharp
    @kragiharp หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you, Sir!
    ❤️🙏

  • @DEYGAMEDU
    @DEYGAMEDU หลายเดือนก่อน

    I was waiting for this

  • @ttaylor3rd
    @ttaylor3rd หลายเดือนก่อน

    nicely done!

  • @7yamkr
    @7yamkr หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Now it's time for integral x factorial

  • @polzinger
    @polzinger หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Very nice writing.

    • @PrimeNewtons
      @PrimeNewtons  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks a lot 😊

  • @ingiford175
    @ingiford175 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Saw an interesting definition of the gamma function:
    lim (n goes to infinity) n! * u^n / Product (other Pi function) ( v as v goes from 0 to n) of (u+v)
    u > 0
    In an old 1960's Finite Differences textbook.

  • @MrMusicM67
    @MrMusicM67 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Love the shirt! Where did you get it?

  • @maths-pro-by-khan-sir
    @maths-pro-by-khan-sir 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    YOU ARE AMAZING

  • @kotylka90
    @kotylka90 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Mister I think leibniz rule hold for proper integrals. How would you justify using it for the improper integral here?

  • @rajesh29rangan
    @rajesh29rangan หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you.

  • @Harrykesh630
    @Harrykesh630 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I would like to enroll in your class this year!!

  • @Misteribel
    @Misteribel 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    You can simplify using the digamma function, though (if you can really call that a simplification).

  • @cbbohn8107
    @cbbohn8107 หลายเดือนก่อน

    He is awesome

  • @raghuvanshiedit
    @raghuvanshiedit 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Hey sir, a doubt is can't we write ln(t) t^x as ln(t)^(t^x) which would give x?

  • @mickodillon1480
    @mickodillon1480 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Interesting one there. Good video.

  • @user-ky5dy5hl4d
    @user-ky5dy5hl4d 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I did not understand much of it without delving into it more. But the beginning is interesting by making the x factorial as pi of x. I think you can do that with any irrational number, so why not chose square root of 2? Or another irrational number.

  • @lornacy
    @lornacy หลายเดือนก่อน

    All I could think of is that the derivative would be huge, quickly. Factorials grow fast 😅
    I am going to have to rewatch this to really get my head around it.

  • @szymonharpula1217
    @szymonharpula1217 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Wouldnt it be easier to use stirlings aproximation

  • @alejandropulidorodriguez9723
    @alejandropulidorodriguez9723 หลายเดือนก่อน

    splendid

  • @nyksik001
    @nyksik001 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Is this channel for postgraduates?

  • @andy_lamax
    @andy_lamax 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    you are so close to discovering the di-gamma function

  • @makramaarid6598
    @makramaarid6598 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    This is the gamma function

  • @herlandarmantotampubolon8135
    @herlandarmantotampubolon8135 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Sir, it seems to me that you could use Lambert Function to continue the last result.

  • @rknowling
    @rknowling หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thankyou for a fun and useful result! 😄
    In the early pages of Bleistein & Handelsman "Asymptotic Expansions of Integrals", they talk about:
    \limits_{N \to \infty } \left[ {{{\left( { - 1}
    ight)}^N}N!x{e^x}\int\limits_x^\infty {\frac{{{e^{ - t}}}}{{{t^{N + 1}}}}dt} }
    I have been wrestling with this for some time; thanks to your videos combining the Leibnitz rule, l'Hopital, second FTC etc with limits, I am (slowly! haha) gaining some traction. Much appreciated!

  • @beapaul4453
    @beapaul4453 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Can you upload videos about complex geometrical problems(drawing graphs), like polygons? That would be great to see.

    • @PrimeNewtons
      @PrimeNewtons  หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Sounds like something I don't know yet

    • @paraskumar9850
      @paraskumar9850 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@PrimeNewtons never stop learning, those who stop learning ! stops living

    • @lornacy
      @lornacy หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@paraskumar9850 He never said he wasn't willing to figure it out ... Looks to me like a way for him to sustain life!

    • @miguelmarcoscatalina3872
      @miguelmarcoscatalina3872 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Hace mucho que no practico matemáticas, pero me parece, solo me parece, que hay un grave error en cambiar una función que solo es continua en puntos concretos y aislados en una función continua en todo el intervalo. Lo considero un error, aunque puedo estar equivocado

  • @mrngochoi89
    @mrngochoi89 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    But i dont know the define of x! if x in R

  • @jacobgoldman5780
    @jacobgoldman5780 หลายเดือนก่อน

    the bounds are in terms of t or x?

  • @sammtanX
    @sammtanX หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    sir, for the power of t, shouldn't it be x-1? Because the y = x!, not y = (x-1)! hence it should be gamma of x, so t's power has to be (x-1)

    • @PrimeNewtons
      @PrimeNewtons  หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I used the π function

  • @kianushmaleki
    @kianushmaleki หลายเดือนก่อน

    ❤️❤️

  • @awrRoman25
    @awrRoman25 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You could just differentiate Stirling formula.

  • @lemon.linguist
    @lemon.linguist หลายเดือนก่อน

    i love your videos!
    i have a question that's unrelated to the video but still mathematical
    i can put it in the replies of this question if you'd like

    • @PrimeNewtons
      @PrimeNewtons  หลายเดือนก่อน

      An email with be better. Primenewtons@gmail.com

  • @petr_duduck
    @petr_duduck 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Учитывая, что Гамма функция- это интеграл, найти от неё производную не так уж сложно

  • @MathSync
    @MathSync หลายเดือนก่อน

    i ❤ Mathematics

  • @Ahmad-yi6d
    @Ahmad-yi6d หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Oops derivative of a factorial function 🥶

  • @hydraim9833
    @hydraim9833 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hi! I am curious, why is there no way? At the end of the video you had the intention to replace t^x e^-t with x! ? You didnt do it because it would be abusive notation or im missing the smth?

    • @awrRoman25
      @awrRoman25 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You can not replace t**x*exp(-t) with x! because integral(t**x*exp(-t)) from 0 to inf equals x!, not function inside.

  • @MATHS_FOR_FUN
    @MATHS_FOR_FUN หลายเดือนก่อน

    Dy/Dx = X! [ Sum from {i = 0 to x-1} (1/(X-i))]
    Isn't it ?

  • @salahouldaya4958
    @salahouldaya4958 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This fuction is not continu how could it be derivable ???

  • @salahouldaya4958
    @salahouldaya4958 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    why don t you ask if this fuction is derivable before anything

  • @eliaskhanmeh7399
    @eliaskhanmeh7399 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Not zero x/ y if y=0 that mean not knowing

  • @allozovsky
    @allozovsky หลายเดือนก่อน

    I guess the next derivative would square the logarithm.

  • @user-ld7cm5jj6h
    @user-ld7cm5jj6h หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Please try to solve this equation
    (X+1/x)^x=2

    • @user-ld7cm5jj6h
      @user-ld7cm5jj6h หลายเดือนก่อน

      Please

    • @user-ld7cm5jj6h
      @user-ld7cm5jj6h หลายเดือนก่อน

      Please

    • @bridgeon7502
      @bridgeon7502 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      x = 1 (I just guessed)

    • @allozovsky
      @allozovsky หลายเดือนก่อน

      x = 1 is a trivial solution

    • @IoT_
      @IoT_ หลายเดือนก่อน

      Since the function on the left always increasing , there can be maximum one solution. One may guess that it's x=1 , but I am afraid , you have to use numerical ways to solve it, like Newton's method.

  • @danielaromero8474
    @danielaromero8474 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Γ(x) = (x-1)! → x! = Γ(x+1) (Gamma function)
    Γ'(x) = Γ(x)(ψ(x)) → Γ'(x+1) = Γ(x+1)(ψ(x+1))
    d(x!)/dx = x!(ψ(x+1)) → ψ(x+1) = ψ(x) + 1/x (Digamma function)
    ψ(x) = Hₓ₋₁ - γ (Harmonic number & Euler's constant)
    d(x!)/dx = x!(Hₓ₋₁ - γ + 1/x)

  • @harris5140
    @harris5140 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Factorial is part of N, not R.

    • @allozovsky
      @allozovsky หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Abuse of notation is pretty common in math (as long as it is clear from the context what a given notation mean). After all, there are not so many math symbols to denote the variety of similar concepts.

    • @fabiopilnik827
      @fabiopilnik827 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Well in that case the derivative of x! is (x+1)! - x! = x!(x+1 - 1) = x!x. But technically that’s a difference not a derivative.

  • @cparks1000000
    @cparks1000000 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Taking the derivative under an integral requires some justification.

  • @tonyscott1658
    @tonyscott1658 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    You can go further. That derivative you speak can be obtained in terms of what is called the digamma function (Psi) . en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digamma_function i.e. Int(t^x*ln(t)*exp(-t), t = 0 .. infinity) = Psi(x+1)*GAMMA(x+1)

  • @Berin.Jervin
    @Berin.Jervin 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    X! is not continuous, so has no derivative.

    • @thedudethatneveruploads2617
      @thedudethatneveruploads2617 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Correct; however, he differentiated the Pi function, which is a popular extension of the factorial function to all reals except negative integers, essentially making a continuous factorial function

  • @anigami01
    @anigami01 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    anyone from India ( JEE aspirant) here

  • @eliaskhanmeh7399
    @eliaskhanmeh7399 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thé chaîne de zéro is unknowing

  • @himadrikhanra7463
    @himadrikhanra7463 หลายเดือนก่อน

    ( x-1)!...?

  • @eliaskhanmeh7399
    @eliaskhanmeh7399 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    X Munier multiply by zero the result zero

  • @v8torque932
    @v8torque932 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Derivatives an anti derivative

  • @porcospino289
    @porcospino289 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Ugh.

  • @RottenWoodInPower
    @RottenWoodInPower 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Me totally forgot gamma function