Zerode Taniwha Reviewed! The Greatest Hope for Gearboxes
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ก.ย. 2024
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Zerode's 160mm travel Taniwha enduro/all-mountain bike represents one of the best mountain bike frame production efforts built around a gearbox drivetrain system. Is it all it's cracked up to be? Where does it excel and where does it struggle? Does it live up the Māori monster inspired New Zealand name? After more than three months of use in dozens of locations, it's time to fill you in on the all the juicy details.
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That bike has to be so plush. A gearbox and a coil shock. Sounds like a sick bike already.
The way you change gear by taking torque out of the drivetrain is how your supposed to change gear with a mech anyway.
I think the pinion box is the future. I dream of buying a frame and choosing a brand of gear box to fit in a standard mounting. Bolting it on and riding for years and years with little to no maintenance
Patrick Baranowski sadly this will never happen
Hopefully the big manufactures will get on board and start developing the gearboxes (maybe they already are), Shimano seems like the sort of company that would get one of these dialed, and surely sram when they are finished with eagle
Keep dreaming, and they will always be too expensive for 95% of us anyway.
Trail Work If they enter the mass market (by Shimano/Pinion/ Sram) then they won’t be that expensive
And its not like a lot of bikers don’t have the money
Trail Work, in NZ at least these bikes are no more expensive than other high end bikes.
I built up a new Taniwha with the best build I could think of and it came in $3k less than a new Nomad of similar spec
The end of Derailleur ! No more bent or snap cable ! Finally we able break away from primitive Derailleur system
I have a Taniwha and from day one found gear changing a non issue. Maybe I naturally ease up for a split second when changing under load, because it’s way faster and smoother than any derailleur setup to me.
100%. I'm after few rides on my Katipo. I'll never go back to derailleur. Changing gears in my Pinon C1.9XR is a dream. The key is to have perfectly instaled cables (that the only one really important procedure). After that, no issue for me. There's no weak point for me personally.
It needs to be electronically controlled like Di2. That way you would have firebolt shifters plus with a electric servo it could shift faster and under some power if needed.
Still wouldn't shift under power but I think that it would be a good idea to have it electric
Audio quality is great....
Ditch the chain and get a gates belt drive and I could see this bike as near perfect. Really would like to make my next mtb a gearbox bike.
Also 26 for life.
My priority bike has the gates belt and it is not possible for the belt to drop plus no grease chain grab on your pants and no rusty chain or oiling it cleaning required. If you need to clean belt, just hose it off with water.
These in-depth videos to go with the written reviews are awesome. Actually seeing the gearbox shifting in POV is nice for a change.
Would love to have that bike. Still riding my Gian Reign 2 from 2008 and it's starting to show it's age. Maybe after I'm done with all my home improvements I'll be able to save up for one of these. Can't wait!
Gearbox bikes definitely the future, but I will wait a couple of years for them to become more refined and cheaper before buying one...
Can definitely agree with that sentiment. The only issue is that apparently everyone else agrees with us, and unless more people start buying these as they are, they'll never get cheaper (although they will hopefully get more refined, especially regarding loaded shifting).
Honestly, if I had the money to burn I'm sufficiently curious that I'd get the Katipo (the 29er version of this bike), but I simply don't have that kind of money.
From a couple of years later, I still don’t think I would ride them for a few more years. They don’t seem any better and not enough bikes are coming with them
they are now. currently a zerode is about a $1000 less than a specialised with better components.
@@leomolloy5067 Zerode makes some really nice bikes, and you're correct that they aren't any more expensive than equivalently specced carbon bikes from other manufacturers.
Unfortunately, if you're a mere mortal relegated to the relms of alloy frames and value components, there really isn't much, if anything, available in the gearbox bike market.
@@gpearce11 I still don't think the limiting factor is cost. from the looks of things it seems that Pinion have gotten there prices pretty close to GX eagle at the OEM level. I think brands just aren't brave enough to deal the re-learning process that comes with gearboxes. Also packaging the system is a pain. all of those fancy dual link bikes will need massive changes just like what happened with e-bikes.
Thank you. Very helpful. Gonna demo one next week. Have destroyed 3 derailers in the last two weeks
Needs belt drive. Having a chain that still needs lubed, cleaned, stretches, needs replaced regularly with the rings, and can still break, is no bueno. I can understand desert is alright, but if your summers are mud and rain, is still too much maintenance breaking out a chain cleaner after every ride.
Thx a lot! That was a proper review and an important look to the downsides. I don‘t know, if I want to deal with the price, the weight on uphills nor the oil leakage for maintenance.. But I loved the suspension, geometry and the shifting during a 5 min test 😁
Maybe I should just continue saving money and hoping for a new version of this beast 😉👍🏽
an review wits some extras that noone else tells , liked it. great riding, bike looks quite nimble, atleast in your hands
Awesomely thorough review, great job!
thanks for the detailed review especially about nature of shifting the gears
Taniwha is pronounced Ta-knee-far
Excellent review. Thanks!
for the future, instead of a twist shift there should be an option for a Di2 style setup with a normal looking shifter and just have a small motor where the gear cables would be right down at the gearbox
I have a dream, that one day in 20 years time even department store bikes will have gearboxes and electronic shifting.
Nice to see geronimo trail on vital mtb. Sickkk🤗
Cool idea, lost me at grip shifter though
Needs a lever shift
Live the concept not the weight!
Fantàstic review...thnx
I must have one
I want one, This might have to replace my Capra
What trail(s) are you riding, pretty sure its Arizona..maybe south mountain? Oh and Sedona.
It's pronounced Tarn-eee-far. Great review!
Yeah nah, it’s t’neefer.
I'm struggling to find a negative with a gearbox MTB. Now they have belt drive, too.
1:31 what city is that? looks gorgeous
Urban Dropper South Mountain, Phoenix Az
I don’t like grip shift but let’s be real it’s out of my budget but I like the concept
being born and bread here in NZ we pronounce the zerode's name like "Tani - fah"
Is there a Zerode dealer in The United States now?
What trails did you ride in AZ in this video? New to mtb and live in AZ. Would love to ride some of these. They look amazing. Thanks
Two AZ trails are featured in this video. 1 - Geronimo, which is on South Mountain in Phoenix. 2 - Ridge Trail in Sedona. Have fun!
Thanks so much. Headed there now to ride. Great video.
This is a dream bike for back country, and just get-on-and-ride type bike. For the same price as a Yeti it’s a bargain.
Everytime you spin the cranks back, I just invision my shins getting nailed.
Where can i buy such product?
? Precio ?
This is better looking gearbox bike ive ever seen (better than G1) give it lever shifter rather than a twist and it could be more acceptable
Great descender I'm sure. But 35+ lb carbon bike + gear box? That weight needs to come down for sure. My alloy Devinci Troy is 30 lbs and smashes the downs.
I guess that weight is due to heavier rims and DH tyres than needed.
My Taniwha weighs 32lbs in a fairly burly build - 2.6 maxxis tyres etc
is it better crawler compared to sram's 30t-52t combo?
where did you ride? What country / mountain was that
Woudn't be the future unless they make it cheap while being in at least near the same weight as what we are using now. May be the future for highend bikes? But for most bikers, I think not, even for roadies. Trickling this technology down for budget consumers is what they need to overcome.
Did you ride the 140mm or the 160mm travel?
I stopped watching when you mentioned the performance uphill. That is not going to work for me I need to be able to get those gears shifted while climbing. This would be a great enduro or park bike.
eddie g I have one of these bikes and shifting is a non issue. Maybe I always used to ease up for a fraction of a second when shifting into a lower gear previously because I find gear changes in the Taniwha far superior to old traditional setups
Definately it is not the way it looks in this vid. In my opinion (I have Zerode Katipo on C1.9XR pinion) it only needs little pressure reduction for a blinko of an eye and you can change your gears as you want. To be honest it's is not very different to the derailleur gear change if you ride with feel - not to kill your derailleur/cassete system on a very first rides.
Wait till Shimano and Sram jump on board and do a prober job...electronic shifting paddle shifters, it wont be long
MyThinkin probably not likely, how will they sell expensive derailleurs, cassettes and chains every five minutes when the gearbox only requires an oil change once a year?
Hell no.
stredda11 Exactly, they will have zero interest in this as it would be lose them a shit tonne of money
Maybe they will maybe they won't, time to uncover the crystal ball, its a little dusty....
If you tried one you’d find it doesn’t need much improvement...
What trail is this at the beginning of the vid??
It's called Geromino. Here's some more footage: www.vitalmtb.com/videos/features/Vital-RAW-Specialized-Enduro-Shredding-with-Mitch-Ropelato-and-Curtis-Robinson,27363/sspomer,2
PRICE ????????
I don't get the decision to include a ratchet mechanism in the gearbox when a freehub suffices. Just stuff to go wrong in the gearbox IMO.
a hub ratchet will go wrong, have you not worn one out? Get an effigear
Great idea, the bike needs more refinment
im supposed to buy sram AXS wireless derailleur, and now i changed my mind, better to wait for gearbox..haha
But the frame must be built to accommodate the gearbox. Probably need a new bike to use this gearbox.
I hate twist shifters.....u get into a g-out and bam uve shifted accidentally
As do we. Luckily it didn't seem to be an issue on the Pinion gearbox.
Ridden one for 1.5 years... Never happened.
How so? I mean did the gearbox make bucking go away? Or are you not putting the real info out?
Maxim Bryson old twist shifters this has happened to me. It obvisouly not a problem on tjis new design.
There is a mod for the rohloff speed hub who works the same way the pinion works to get rid of the twist shifter and replace it with a normal trigger. Maybe this mod can work also on the Pinion with more modifications ?!
Just change the twisty and I'm down
I though exactly the same. After few rides on rotary shifter (new DS2 Pinion/Ergon shifter) I don't have any minds to go back to trigger ever. The only improvement above rotary shifter would be some sort of wireless shifting. But it would be some super stuff to get real forward feature for gearbox.
...then again climbing for you needs new mindset with gearbox....
Can you not run a chainguide?
Why would you need to? It's a 1x1 And the gears go inside a box. She's not coming off
In the video he said he dropped a chain twice off the front chainring...
JSW oh true
I have a Taniwha and have never dropped the chain. This guy simply had it in the wrong chain tensioner setting.
Never say never. Eventually every piece will wear out and the chain will drop.
Too bad they start at around $10,000.... I've been wanting a gearbox bike but I need my organs
Prices start at $6,600 in the US.
£4000 in uk
Vital MTB Is that $6600 for a complete build? I thought the frame and shock were close to $5000
Trail Work don’t forget that includes the drive train and shifter so you don’t need to spend as much to complete the bike.
Try pronouncing it Tan-e-fa... That's the correct manner. It's a Maori name of a legendary water monster.
Yeah... I grew up with that just meaning Monster
Tar-knee-far
Tah-knee-faa
the dream! but click shifter would be way better!
How much money can one get for a kidney and half of a liver?
Still way to expensive for the public..
I built up a high spec Taniwha for a lot less than an equivalent spec Nomad here in NZ
who is the public? high end deraileur is also too expensive for the public. How is that relevant, and you're likely not ever going to replace the gear box
Ton-ee-far say it with me..
They need to put an electronic shifter on there.
Number 1 jsisjss Nice bike
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I was almost convinced until it was recommended that the rider should drill holes in shit to make it better. 🤔
Lord Spam the guy just had it in the wrong setting. The tensioner comes with 3 hole settings. It should be set in the 3rd hole by default as that’s the factory setting. ie I bought mine directly from Rob, Zerode owner designer, and he said they must be in that setting.
This reviewers bike was set wrong
PRONUNCIATION >:(((((
Nice try but still too much compromise. Weight, internal drag, twist shifter, price... still not ready for “mainstream”.
Tamas Varga But the weight on the bb makes the bike so stable as well
No shit, but you have to start somewhere ?
Oh, really!!?!??!?
Zac Youngson Of course... and the 7000$ bikes are just flying off the shelves.
Tamas Varga didn't get the point of that😂
Video production lvl: Lazy!
Maybe you can do better
i stopped watching when i saw 35lbs..
Kyle Ang 600% gear ratio
Haha. It's not that big of a deal unless you are too weak to lift it into your truck.
It is that big of a deal because a high end trail bike setup should not weigh 10+ pounds more than an already existing, proven setup.
Name one solidly built enduro bike that is 25lbs, let alone with a coil ??
When gwin’s downhill bike is only 2lbs heavier than this “enduro”bike... thats a bit alarming.