Beethoven - Symphony n°3 "Eroica" - Vienna / Furtwängler 1944
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 มิ.ย. 2024
- Ludwig van Beethoven
Symphony n°3 op.55 "Eroica"
I. Allegro con brio 0:00
II. Marcia funebre. Adagio assai 15:32
III. Scherzo. Allegro vivace 32:51
IV. Finale. Allegro molto 39:22
Wiener Philharmoniker
Wilhelm Furtwängler
Live recording, Vienna, 19.XII.1944 - เพลง
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AL MAGNO COMPOSITOR, A LA OBRA, AL INEFABLE DIRECTOR , A LA MEJOR ORQUESTA DEL MUNDO , AL QUE BAJO A SU CANAL ESTA GRABACION Y A TH-cam QUE PERMITIO QUE PODAMOS VERLA Y ESCUCHARLA, LES AGRADEZCO CON INFINITOS LIKE.
Unsurpassed, the greatest conductor conducting one of the greatest pieces ever composed, this is simply sublime. No other performance is even close!
Rest in peace, Mr. Furtwangler. You live forever with true music lovers.
yes! especially with You-Know-Who! A truly kind, merciful, Godly conductor
was that peace.... or pieces? I hope you "rest" with him one day far in the future!
also MR B same eulogy
...something stinks around here...!@@danielmyerson3070
Carlos Kleiber thought that 'no one could equal Furtwangler.'
How true!!!!!!
But also his father was the best of them all... (in his opinion)...
You're making a mistake. That's "Karajan", not "Furtwängler".
@@mmm48398 very funny. Thanks for your jokes !
OMG what an incredible performance. Most other performances seem dull in comparison. It is not flashy or proud, not effect seeking, it is a humane performance in the middle of that terrible year 1944.
there's no better intrpreter and director of Beethoven... I think that Ludwig would be astonished how someone can be so into his music...
Furtwangler, Beethoven's conductor.
Those in attendance in Vienna for this performance thought knew how fine it would be -- but they were in for a surprise. This was THE finest interpretation od Eroica ever!! Perhaps U'm growing old and sappy, but this simply brings me to tears .
And they also knew - as did Furtwängler himself - that the end of the Third Reich was near.
No public attendance this recording I guess
@@alleespach YOU do know now. Forget about that, just think about the glorious music. You're so tiresome...
Is it not a pity that this being the best performance played into Goebbel's propaganda campaign. He had replied to foreign criticism for excluding the jews from participating in the music scene of Germany by saying, "No, we do not miss the jews. Our Orchestras play better now without them!" What gall ! 😳
@@aliena2979 The music is indeed glorious, but you can't separate art from its cultural context.
Foi com grande impacto positivo e inesquecível,que ouvi,pela primeira vez,a terceira sinfonia de Beethoven, em 1979,aos meus 17 anos, através desta inigualável interpretação de Wilhelm Fürtwängler,em fita de áudio cassete.É a minha sinfonia favorita, não apenas entre as outras do Beethoven,mas entre as de outros compositores.
Its this moment when music becomes so much more then just notes on a paper.
Listening to this full piece I felt I had died and gone to heaven. It was pure, complete bliss and thorough enjoyment.
Furtwangler ha scolpito nella mia anima l'amore per la Musica Sinfonica !
Ningún otro director comprende a Beethoven, ningún otro director interpreta a Beethoven, ningún otro director hace el sonido de Beethoven, la fuerza, la meditación, el metamensaje, la construcción arquitectónica de la música Beethoveniana, solamente Furtwängler era capaz de transmitir el mundo de Beethoven. Simplemente insuperable.
100% de acuerdo con vos hermano melomano.
"With Beethoven, music became for the first time capable of expressing what in Nature is the catastrophic element. This catastrophe is no less natural than the slow organic development of evolution: it is another form of Nature's expression. So far the character of music had been epic, now it gradually became dramatic. In ancient Greece, too, Homer preceded the tragic poets". - Wilhelm Furtwangler, Concerning Music (1953)
I believe that book 'Concerning Music' (or 'On Music') is a collection of 1937 or 1938 interviews with a British reporter/critic. The publication date might have been 1953 due to war-related delays. Great book, and not at all predictable. I suppose Furtwangler was still building up steam for his greatest period, feeling powerful and unchallengeable; after the war, he might have sounded less confident and spontaneous, not just because he'd been humiliated by the denazification process but probably far more by the revelations of the holocaust-he knew the nazis were obnoxious and dangerous but wasn't prepared for the truth of what had been going on.
Odd that de Gaul, Churchill and Eisenhower all wrote lengthy, detailed histories of the war, and none of them give any indication that what is alleged ever happened.
@@debwagner7505 ?
Furtwangler is born for this symphony absolutely phenomenal balance & intensity exactly expressing epic behind the composition I adore ........
I miss all those past recordings with tube tech recording gear, a less detailed sound, a rich mass sound and mono.
Nowadays is a crazy run for a crystal clear sound, never a recording sound will sound as a live presence sound.
Un critico Italiano de la poca dijo ...Mientras exista humanidad se doblegaran ante la música de Beethoven.......
Favorite symphony with favorite conductor!
Quale amorevole ricordo porto per mio Padre che riempiva gli scaffali di dischi di Musica Classica !
La photographie de Furtwängler est en parfait accord avec l'esprit de cette Héroïque qu'il dirige parfaitement. Il a une inquiétude dans le regard qui répond au terrible tourment de ce premier mouvement. La musique n'est pas uniquement une question de "beau son", comme le croit un certain Karajan.
The simultaneous tension and beauty from 12:00-12:15. So glorious, this is definitely the most alive version ever!
The greatest interpretation of all time, without question.
The best
Agreed in all respects! And his galvanizing and tortured March 1942 reading of the Ninth is VERY CLOSE.
@Luigi Raimondo Pomo And greetings to you, Luigi! And thank you for your thoughts. The PERFORMANCE of the Eroica is what I am after, in EVERY movement, of this magnificent symphony. This is where Furtwangler leaves everyone else behind, in building the structure, in shaping the music, and in controlling the tension and tempo.His recordings were all in mono and NOT the best in sound quality. But in Beethoven, Brahms, and Bruckner, he is unrivaled. No one else is close and this Teutonic 1944 Vienna Phil recording proves it in spades.
@Luigi Raimondo Pomo Hello Luigi! You are so right, Carlos Kleiber’s Beethoven is exceptional, in particular his 5th and 7th! A prodigious musician, he was also a huge admirer of Furtwangler. Kleiber’s Brahms’ 4th is otherworldly.
By the way, have you heard Ibert’s Escales (Ports of Call)? One of the selections is entitled “Palermo”. Exotic, lovely music from a French master.
Unfassbare Erlebnistiefe 🤫
So many great moments to choose from this version but to my amateur, untrained ear, one of the most remarkable is that build-up in the first movement from 7:33 - 8:16. I never have heard that segment played like that in all the versions of Eroica I've heard the last 20 years - like someone trying to hold back a snarling large dog on a leash that keeps pulling harder and harder to break free and finally does- mesmerizing and stunning!
Die ersten zwei smashs of music begeistern mich, aber was noch kommt, es strebt weiter und weiter und dann kommt noch die Trompete, ganz oben...
You have great taste. I like that part too. This development section in it's entirety is one of the best.
What a brilliant metaphor... the snarling dog straining at the leash!!
Listening to the 2nd movement Funeral March, I feel the suffering that all in attendance must have witnessed, during this point of the war. I imagine that each would hear this personally with the spirits of their departed rising to heaven. Start around 23 minutes, if you can't wait. Thank you for posting this and blessings.
When this recording was released on LP. (on the reference label I believe) a music critic characterized the Adagio as a "Cry for help".
Le Plus grand enregistrement de la plus grande œuvre de tous les temps !
Et pourtant je ne peux ignorer les admirables versions Toscanini ! Mais cela n'enlève bien sûr rien à Furtwängler….
Les comparaisons sont toujours difficiles et dire que telle œuvre est la plus grande est nécessairement arbitraire. J'ai depuis longtemps envie de dire que le sommet de la musique est le quintette avec deux violoncelles de Schubert, mais on ne peut oublier l'Orfeo de Monteverdi, les quatuors ou Fidelio de Beethoven, Don Giovanni ou Cosi fan tutte de Mozart, Tristan de Wagner ou les chefs-d'œuvre de Stravinski (Sacre du printemps) et de Bartok (quatuors ou 2e concerto de piano), ni Wozzeck d'Alban Berg…
@@crawyler Oui, bien entendu, j'ai utilisé un superlatif. Cela étant dit j'ai tendance à penser que vous oubliez les oeuvres de Schoenberg et de Bach.
Genial. Es un gran placer escuchar a Furtwangler interpretando a Beethoven. Gracias por compartir.
Saludos desde México.
thunderously beautiful , we need this encouragement in this dark age of the 21st Century ! =D
А кто ты такая ?
Yes indeed! Beethoven the supreme optimist :) This work expresses an indomitable spirit in the face of suffering. Oh Ludwig, how we all can learn from you....
@@mag-wp6yt I would like to give you 20 thumbs!
@@mag-wp6yt Ja, für ihn galt das "Per aspera ad astra".
👍👍👍❤️
... for the good that men do lives after them..... thank you maestro and of coarse Herr Beethoven
dFurtwangler Beethoven wartime : astonishing , art forever and ever
Notable! Extraordinaria performance. Admiro a Furtwängler óptimo director de Beethoven!
the best of the best
En 1944 en Alemania se sabía lo que había sucedido y lo que estaba pasando.
Se percibe profundamente la tristeza de los músicos intérpretes, la transmiten a través de esrá versión.
Resignación a la derrota, muy dolorosa para ellos.
Seguramente ejecutan la pieza en un bunker ñ. Arriba caen las bombas, hay devastación y desolación, la gente perece en serie, muchos heridos, familiares o amigos de los músicos que llevan a cabo un acto heróico.
La orden era no dejar de producir música, mientras hubiese una mínima posibilidad física suficiente al efecto.
Ejemplo heróico y sublime para toda la Humanidad y la eternidad.
Dios tenga en su Regazo sus espíritus nobles y leales, bellos y engendradores de belleza ínclita, aupada por el heroismo de los Cruzados europeos y su pueblo msgnífico, de Sangre fecunda, del Listor redentor y sus discípulos de vanguardia.
The funeral march was played at Rommel's funeral in Ulm in the fall of '44.
Are you sure? Nazis put Beethoven into category of sub- arians, he was also considered to be a jew, never mind Hitler himself was an Austrian jew. Rommel was one of the closest to Hitler generals, brilliant though.
Diese Aufführung seiner Eroica hätte Beethoven begeistert!
This has been fan--tas--tic!! Thank you for uploading. Loved every note of it, including the silences.
Furtwängler's best performance of the 3rd in my humble opinion!
Beyond measure gratitude for the recording technology and preservation.
I think even Beethoven would have been impressed after he had gotten over the shock of modern instruments.
I don't have adequate words to describe my gratitude!!!!!!!
there is a film of this performance showing the Nazi Goebbles & others in the audience. Furtwangler was openly anti- Nazi but chose to stay in Germany despite the harassment by Hitler himself. can you imagine what feelings were raging in the minds of the musicians? their courage is outstanding
@@yarazooom
This and the other Beethoven Symphonies which I've heard which were conducted by Furtwängler during the latter years of the Second World War seem to have a passion which is quite amazing. It's like as if their lives depended on it!
To still be able to hear these performances in 2021 is a huge privilege.
@@fpcoleman57 yes. I believe that musical passion is what LvB intended for the future of humanity. sadly Modernity is falling short of his ideals
@@yarazooom
Unfortunately I think you are right.
Also the actual percentage of people who are moved by Classical music is depressingly low.
So much of music is just about a superficial, transient experience rather than anything "deep".
This has frustrated me for over 50 years.
The third is so powerful, so POWERFUL!
Beautiful! Thank you for posting!
Wilhelm Furtwängler .... und die Wiener Philharmoniker ... ein musikalisches Phänomen! Brillant!
Thanks for this!
Grazie, è meravigliosa.
One must remember Furtwangler was married to the greatest orchestra "Berlin Phil:" a partnership never
surpassed as Beethoven would agree......German composer, conductor, and orchestra. Amen.
23:05-26:30. I've always wanted to hear this portion of the funeral march this way. Incredible.
Yes, this fugue part. I’m not a religious person but it makes me want to believe in something. It is incredible. Brings me to tears.
I sincerely appreciate TH-cam for uploading this wonderful piece
May God Bless You.
L'Eroique, à Vienne, en 1944, par un chef allemand ... Incroyable interprétation où l'on frôle à tout moment l'abime. Magistral !!!
Excellent tempo. BRAVE, but it pays off!
Thank you! It is my believe that pure beauty, love and goodness go's together with harshness pain and misery and that is why Furtwangler during the war and the downfall of Germany and mankind, could make Beethoven sound the way it needs to sound, because Beethoven himself was experiencing that when he wrote this philosophical and emotional profound work.....
The liberties Furgwangler takes with this symphony sets him far above the others. The same is true of his performance of Schubert's 9th Symphony.
Also a January 1945 Brahms 2nd.
Божественный Фуртвенглер!!!
You only have to look at a photo of Furtwangler to know he is not going to sleepwalk through a recording. I remember this recording was the first one I owned about 50 years ago followed by a Karajan DG boxed set which cannot compare for energy. I have not found a better version on utube...
+Paul Rogers
.... "to sleepwalk through a recording"..... yes ..... yes ..... !!
What do you mean, by that, @@jamesupton4996?
His eyes were wide open as he benefitted from it and its cosy relationship with Bayreuth. Brilliant conductor, but not a good man.
Perhaps Karajan sleepwalked through his Beethoven. Furtwängler embarrasses his successor in this recording.
@@jamesupton4996 Who are you to judge? Furtwängler wanted to stay in his country and helped many jewish musicians to escape from the third "Reich"! Please do your research before writing bullshit! :D
Who could really tell what he/she had done in those dark times? By the way Karajan was member of the NSDAP ... (Böhm was even supporter of the Nazis!) Nobody ever questioned those two musicians but why questioning Furtwängler? I really don't get it! :P
Furtwangler outstanding, beautiful.
The greatest symphonic recording that there is.
It wouldn't be wrong to say the same thing about ANY Furtwangler recording.
@@michaelstearnes1526 True, but in my view this one is extraordinary even for Furtwangler.
@@johanneswiegand5987 Thank you for the reply to my post. I may have exaggerated a bit as I tend to do when it comes to the subject of Furtwangler, but my love and respect for him knows few restraints. The only other wartime recording of his which stands out for me is the Bruckner ninth which he never performed again. Again many thanks and best wishes.
Superb
Sublime!
Beethoven!
Furtwängler!
Eroica!
1944!
Possible imminent death!
Pure passion!
Unforgettable!
today is 250th anniversary of the most significant of births - stop wretched world & rejoice! who better with than Furtwangler
Gracias!
nobody, nobody, interpret Beethoven the way Furtwangler did it. Nobody has even come close to him.
I would say Barenboim.
Gunter wand did it, IMO equally good as him.
Carlos Kleiber is calling :)
If only Kleiber recorded a full cycle. Honestly, from what I can hear of Furtwangler, he's sounds great, but the recording quality is always just too terrible for me to properly enjoy the performance (the same often goes for the likes of Kondrashin's Shostakovich symphonies, for example). Not a huge fan of Barenboim's Beethoven symphonies. I quite like Karajan's early cycle, although some people might think that makes me a philistine. I keep forgetting to check out the full cycle of Gunther Wand, I might do that now.
Barenboim vale quanto il due di briscola, come direttore e come pianista. Non è facile stabilire in quale delle due attività raggiunga i risultati peggiori. Prodotto deteriore del più degenerato star-system.
Des moments difficiles certe , mais des moments extatiques de pur bonheur
偉大で深淵で崇高で気品に満ち満ちたドイツ🇩🇪万歳、万歳、万歳
Amazing
23' 47 '' à ... des minutes de musique extraordinaires.
23:47
23:47
i have nothing but saying, "bravo".
この演奏は、戦中に行われたもの、戦後にも、レコーディングしているが、これは、カラヤンのプロイセン国立歌劇場管弦楽団の名演を凌ぐほどであり、他では、考えられない次元に到達した演奏で大変いい演奏。
I listen to this several times a week on an 'Eloqence' CD in my car. When I listen to other versions, I find them a bit too different, and rejoice in playing my CD again . . . but this is something else - beyond beautiful; beyond earth - beyond heaven. Thank you for posting this for us mere mortal listeners.
... not THIS version, naturally, on my CD! It is an Eastern European orchestra - and I always, as with Russian orchestras, find them good, and not adequately rated.
Fantastic and eternity.....
incredible performance by all concerned. not sure it has ever been bettered
Guys & gals, this is an awesome recording 😊. I send many thanks to incontrario motu!
Extraordinaria ejecución en la extensión de la palabra.
As Carlos Kleiber always stated : nobody can equal Furtwangler. Almost 80 years after Furtwangler’s death, we can still hear here that Kleiber was right.
No . Someone conducted the Eroica as well : Erich Kleiber .
Kleiber was right, Furtwängler is STILL the best in this glorious music.
@@marionkiker1346
Carlos was only polite , he knew that his father was better than Furtwängler in the Eroica .
Please listen to the Erich Kleiber Eroica , his nervosity , this brilliance , the young Beethoven as perfect Apollo .
only furtwangler can capture the lack of refinement in execution and incredible refinement in composition that defines beethoven
Funny, that many people think, that Furtwängler is the greatest but CK is even better than the best.
these clipping noises and sound distortions are THE Furtwängler !
A masterpiece with huge interpretation from a Karajan lover
奇しくも、2020年12月20日この演奏に出会えたことに感謝。 心にずっしりと刻み込まれた最高の
エロイカです。 私達人類が決して忘れてはならない歴史、心の叫びが突き刺さります。
The Erotica, my fave.
Genial, gracias por compartir es la mejor versión de la 3 del genio Beethoven que oigo.
Beethoven würde sich freuen
Joachim Kaiser explained: "Furtwängler was never better than during WWII!" How right he is you can hear in this excellent performance. I'm also impressed by the quality of this live recording of 1944! :D I cannot listen to other interpretations without refering to this recording!
Difficult for people from peoples involved in WW2 to judge objectively - you have always in mind how difficult to play such great music at 1944. But on the other hand it's said, the most beautiful flowers bloom near death...
MusikPiratCH Ja, einer der berühmteren Musikkritiker erzählte einmal anekdotenhaft, dass die besten Aufnahmen unter den Luftangriffen entstanden seien, in deren Szenerie keiner der Anwesenden - Zuhörer, Musiker und Dirigenten - wissen konnten, ob er den morgigen Tag erleben würden. Es ist nicht verwunderlich, dass wahre Größe entsteht, wenn man buchstäblich um sein Leben spielt!
Allerdings meinte selbiger Kritiker auch, dass ihm die späteren, vielleicht nicht ganz so guten Aufnahmen in Friedenszeiten lieber gewesen seien. Was er nicht ohne Schmunzeln zu sagen hatte. Das Leben über die Kunst - selbst bei den "Unsterblichen".
@@Aristoteles83
Endlich'mal etwas vernünftiges auf YT . Vielen Dank Herr Memoriam .
@@pega17pl haha .... > , you want to say : "how easy" .....
@@Fritz_Maisenbacher have you been there in 1944? Furtwängler, Karajan and other musicians were extremely lucky to survive! Many other brilliant musicians, artists and scientists were sent to the fronts, where they needlessly died.
Esta hermosa sinfonía que compuso beethoven., se la dedico a Napoleón. ya que lo admiraba porque creían que cambiaría a Europa y también por su discurso Antiaristocratico. sin embargo cuando Napoleón se proclamo emperador.. se desilusiono tanto ..que le cambio el nombre a HEROICA..
貴重な音源をどうもありがとうございます。
Magnifica eroica,de las mejores q se han grabado,esta eroica la de klemperer del 59y la de karajan del 63 son las mejores eroicas de la historia.Esta esta muy bien grabada y la de karajan tambien,pero la mejor marcha funebre,para mi gusto es la de klemperer del 59 pero tanto esta como la de karajan del 63 como la de klemperer las mejores de la historia
ESTA tiene un caracter historico se hrabo en 1944 en viena cuando ALEMANIA se puede decir q ya habia perdido la guerra y Furtwangler tenia conocimiento por parte de speer q el gobierno se queria ddsacer de FURTWANGLER.Por lo tanto esta eroica tiene un toque muy especial,solo hay que escuchar el dramatismo de su marcha funebre el momento con q FURTWANGLER LA DIRIGIO TEMIENDO POR SU VIDA LO QUE LE HIZO MARCHARSE A SUIZA
Por muchas mayúsculas que pongas, listillo, sois unos pesados, pontificando desde el siglo XXI, con la ridícula superioridad que da hablar de un "futuro" que para ti ya es pasado. Y tenéis una imaginación... Si se suma todo lo que se dice por ejemplo de Furtwängler, con lo incompatible que es, da para, al menos, cinco biografías de cinco personas completamente distintas.
@@aliena2979 Te agradezco tu sinceridad ,pero YO en ningun momento e puesto en duda q NO se puedan grabar buenas eroicas,ni ahora ni en el futuro,YO digo q para MI gusto estas 3 versiones,son las mejores ,POR Q PARA MI LAS 3 MARCHAS FUNEBRES SON SOBERBIAS,TAMBIEN PODRIAMOS CITAR la de FRICSAY,q tambien es muy buena,PERO FRICSAY ME GUSTA MAS SU NOVENA,Y MUCHAS OTRAS COSAS COMO POR EJEMPLO SU MOZART,Q JUNTO CON EL DE BOHM, Y KLEMPERER Q PARA MI GUSTO,SON LAS MEJORES GRABACIONES DE MOZART,ESTO ES UNA OPINION PERSONAL NADA MAS ENTIENDES,ESTO ES COMO SI,YO TE DIGO Q LAS MEJORES VERSIONES DE LA 9 DE BRUCKNER,PARA MI GUSTO,SON POR ORDEN DE PREFERENCIA SON LAS DE KARAJAN DEL 66,LA DE GIULINI, Y TAMBIEN L A DE HAITINK
Phew !!!! powerful
Furtwängler: Gott gibt's den Seinen im Schlaf, heißt es. Im Wachen hat Furtwängler wie kein anderer, was draus gemacht. Warum? Er war nicht nur Musiker, sondern wie Beethoven ein großer Geist, ein großer Kopf und ein Komponist. Aus jeder Aufführung machte daraus eine eigene Übersetzung. Jeder Übersetzer weiß, daß eine Übersetzung wie eine Neu-Schöpfung ist.
Gee - I don't speak German .. but I read, "Furtwangler: God's gift ..." ! If correct, I agree! Cheers from Australia.
Furtwangler during the second world war was simply incredible, at the height of his powers.
As "sad" it could be for your "logic" or "morality", Second World War GAVE Furtwängler the height of his power . . . .
@@Fritz_Maisenbacher yes he was perverted
@@222mozart
Perverted ? ... In what sense ?
@@Fritz_Maisenbacher - I see that you are still waiting for 222mozart's reply. Perhaps many of us are.
@@jinnymudlark1815
Yes .... but the guy has not the courage to give his answer . Because the answer is actually very dangerous to give .... not main stream thinking .....
Je connais de bonnes têtes toutes infatuées d'interprétations modernes ultra rapides qui voueraient aux Gémonies cette interprétation Il reste que pour moi elle est tout bonnement insurpassée.
Et probablement insurpassable !
Les nuances, la dynamique, la tension dramatique, la maîtrise extraordinaire des pupitres de l'orchestre, sa façon de faire chanter les violoncelles, tout est frappé au sceau d'une intime compréhension de l'œuvre. Alors, qu'importe qu'il prenne des libertés avec le tempo, qu'il accélère ici, qu'il ralentisse là, c'est toujours au service de cette musique géniale, la première symphonie qui rompt avec le modèle classique et qui est aussi importante dans l'évolution du langage musical que le seront à la fin du siècle les partitions de Debussy.
Doesn't anybody want to speak English and have EVERYBODY understand?
Vivien Sauvenergues # tout à fait de votre avis #
@@MashedTubers
Fuck you . That's good english . And now , learn french language , my friend .
Having got Some of Willhelm Furtwangler's Recordings in My own Record Collection I've got to admire the Man not only was he one of the Greatest Conducters of the last Century he was also a Humanitarian who despised Hitler and the Nazi's and he did his best to help a lot of Jewish Musicians when he stayed in Germany till towards the end of World war two and I found that the best Version of Tchaikovsky Symphony Number six is his old 1937 Recording P1939 and Even Arturo Toscanini another Great Conducter of the Past I admire had to admit that no one could play it like Willhelm Furtwangler could,saying that I found the best Version of Tchaikovsky B flat Minor Piano Concerto is the 1941 Recording with Vladimir Horowitz and Arturo Toscanini and the NBC Symphony Orchestra and it was such a shame that both Conducters died before they could Make Recordings in Stereo
I love this version and I understand this is Beethoven's musical tribute to a Colossus (originally intended for Napoleon). The sound and fury of it suggests his campaigns, especially coming after a funeral march is a milestone in the history of Classical music. Colossus who made the world sit up and notice after all is a mortal. Around 46' the woodwinds reprise the themes till the horns take over, have a transcendental quality. Sublime.
my understanding of this monument to hero ism is about his own struggles with suicide as his impending deafness became appearent. coincendently napolean was 'liberating' the enslavement of ppl by a heirarchal caste system that prevented him from marrying the woman he loved, his Immortal Beloved. i have listen to this piece 100s of times due to my own struggles, however this version is important in context of the time...when nazi were terrorizing their own people n millions of others around the world. i believe LvB saw this event in humanitys future and this was basis of of the 9th symphony...to shed light on human-ness and love the earth as he did, which was his solace n nourishment to create music while being deaf....to share his inner mind with us
you are talking bollocks
Furtwängler was the God of Maria
Callas, Gleen Gould and Carlos Kleiber. We understand here why. There is nothing to add.
Страшно даже представить, о чём думали венские слушатели этой симфонии в 1944 году... И кто из них пережил предстоящий им 1945-й ?
По сравнению с берлинцами венцы еще легко отделались...
Durante l'ascolto di questa meravigliosa musica sono stato interrotto, due volte, dai cosiddetti "annunci" ! Si puo' essere piu' cafonacci di cosi' ?
The pathos and intensity of the Marcia funebre in this recording are unparalleled. Nobody can conduct it the way Furtwängler did on this occasion (actually there were two recordings, one from 19 December and one from 20 December 1944, and what we have here is probably a combination of the two). Some people have told me that he was threatened by the Nazis, which added to the war situation itself may explain why he conducted it the way he did.
El pathos y la intensidad de la Marcia funebre de esta grabación no tienen parangón. Nadie lo puede dirigir como lo hizo Furtwängler en esa ocasión (realmente hubo dos grabaciones, una del 19 y otra del 20 de diciembre de 1944, y lo que oímos aquí probablemente sea una combinación de ambas). Me comentaron que Furtwängler estaba amenazado de muerte por los nazis, lo cual, añadido a la situación de guerra, explicaría por qué lo dirigió como lo hizo.
Excuses are not needed on behalf of Furtwangler - or Wagner - or 'anybody else' in the world, for there are none among us who is perfect according to our human ideas of what is 'good' and 'bad' - human constructions only, anyway ... and the truth probably is that all of our noble 'goodness' concepts are pretty directly related to our own survival anyway - that there is no real good and that there is no real bad.
Yes, this REMARKABLE recording was spliced from the two performance in late 1944. His glorious 1952 recording of the Eroica with the BPO Is ALMOST as good as this magisterial performance with the VPO.
Maybe the most famous classical music recording that there is.
Kanishk Nishar I'm guessing he's saying that Furtwängler's 1944 recording of the Eroica is held in high regard. There may be better quality sound recordings, but that can fall aside to a single perfect performance.
Kanishk Nishar Wrong as wrong can be! All "perfect" sound is not worth anything if there isn't enough musicality in it. Here there is so much more "music" in this "Eroica" than in any other you can hear (on TH-cam or elsewhere)! :D
Yes, you can blame the listener if he/she gives this not even a try! xD
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Sadly, I don't think so. It sounds too old-fashioned to be enjoyed by most of the people; and all the classical music audience is however very limited. Neverthless, it is great.
Giulio Santini Do you really know a better recording (of the "Eroica")? I don't think there is one! :P
MusikPiratCH not many better. But a lot more popular.
German high culture. Deutsche Leitkultur! 👌
Such a brilliant performance. Everyone in the concert hall knew that Red Army steamroller was on its way to Vienna.
OMG Beethoven is so great
Cada interpretacion tiena su differencien
por su tiempo de la historia.
Todas belas, divinos os músicos e as canções, é como vinho quanto mais velho melhor.
December 1944, around the time of the Battle of the Bulge
Austria hasn't fallen yet
Soberbia contribución de aquélla WFO a la creación de la atmósfera musical del genio de Bonn oficiada por el colosal W. Furtwängler. Permaneció en Alemania y preservó a la BFO- entre otras- del riesgo de ser sometidas a las dominantes barbaries nazis. ¡Qué explosión de precisos sonidos! recogimiento, rotunda percusión…Su escucha es bálsamo en las dolencias físicas.
No pudo en cambio preservar nada, qué pena, de los bombardeos aliados y de la barbarie soviética, destructora y presta a la rapiña, que dejó Berlín y lo que no era Berlín hecho unos zorros. Lástima.
there is a film of this performance showing the Nazi Goebbles & others in the audience. Furtwangler was openly anti- Nazi but chose to stay in Germany despite the harassment by Hitler himself. can you imagine what feelings were raging in the minds of the musicians? their courage is outstanding
I would like to know what timpani Furtwangler uses...
They are thunderous.
Haotian Yu The timpani are actually the sound of RAF 500-pound bombs going off.
Whatever 51:36 was, it was no earthly instrument! Too bad he didn't keep it in his 1952 Dec 8 performance, maybe it didn't fit the mood as well.
Having got a copy of Willhelm Furtwangler's 1953 Recording in My own Record Collection I found this Performance to be far better as it has got More depth and feeling in the this Recording,although it's a war time Recording it's very clear and I carn't Understand why this Recording has never been Transferred to a His Master's Voice Long Play Record