안녕하세요 장민영 입니다. 오늘은 선생님께 배달이 된 의문의 포르투갈 와인을 리뷰 해봤습니다. 1-4번 테이스팅은 편집되었음을 알려드립니다. 같은 프로듀서의 와인들이 대부분이어서, 혹시나 와인메이커에 해가 될까 모든 와인들을 블라인드 처리 했으니 이해 부탁드립니다. 영상으로 인해 혹시라도 포르투갈의 위상이 떨어질까 걱정이 되서 영상을 올릴까 고민 했지만, 영상 앞에서 보듯이 페트릭 선생님께서도 포르투갈의 와인을 좋아 하신다 하고, 몇배 비싼 와인을 마셔봤지만, 여기 와인들이 좋다고 하신점, 피터 선생님께서도 오늘 테이스팅 한 와인 몇개가 안좋았을 뿐이지, 더 좋은 포르투갈 와인을 찾아보자고 하신 점을 감안해, 선생님들과 의견 나누고 올리게 되었습니다. 피터 선생님께서 짙은색 포도를 사용 하는게 좋다는 부분에 대한 부연설명을 드리자면, 포트 와인을 양조할때는, 스위트한 와인을 생산하기 위해 발효 중간에 주정강화를 합니다. 효모가 당분을 다 발효하지 못한 상태에서 발효가 중단되는 것인데, 따라서 껍질과의 접촉 시간이 드라이한 와인을 만들 때보다 짧기 때문에 색소가 많은 포도 품종을 쓰는게 유리합니다. 즐겁게 봐주시고, 기회가 되시면 포르투갈 와인에도 많은 관심을 가져주시면 감사하겠습니다! Two Masters of Wines review Portuguese wines today. The wines were delivered anonymously in the beginning. Since 3 of the wines were from the same producer, revealing the wine potentially could hurt the reputation of the producer. Hence, we decided not to reveal the wines. We practiced the medical phrase " First, do no harm" Please comment below if you know good producers in Douro region !! 00:00 포르투갈 와인 산지의 배경지식 06:52 와인 테이스팅 14:59 클로징 [[ Links]] - Peter MW Website : peterkoffmw.com/ - Peter MW Website Discount Code : SoulofWine - Free shipping for 12+ bottles, and $20 for 6-11bottles - Patrick MW Instagram : @Plrfarrell - Patrick MW TH-cam : www.youtube.com/@dr.patfarrellmasterofwine1496 - Elle -Instagram @Elleleerealty - The Soul Of Wine Instagram : @Thesoulofwine_official [[자문 Advice]] - PDT Seoul 임다정, 이시행 - Instagram: @pleasedonttell.seoul
Because of this comment, I’ve lost a lost a great deal of respect for this channel. If you are not revealing the name of a wine producer for fear of harming the winery, you’re in the wrong business. One more bs video like this and you’ve lost this subscriber.
That's a pertinent question. We could surmise that the wines weren't revealed because the protagonists in this channel are merely grifters interested - not in wine - but only their self-promotion and financial gain (however slight).
Try wines from wine & soul, casa ferreirinha ((the best ones (quinta da leda for exemple)) from who come the most iconic Portuguese wine (Barca Velha), try Chryseia, try Quinta do Crasto wines. There are many high quality wines in the Douro. That Portuguese guy in the video gave really crap wines to Peter and Patrick to taste that's for sure.
I so often find that Portugal really is a place where producers make better wines thinking they´re not doing that. So many expensive bottles from there can be seriously unpleasant while at the cheaper end some wines can be absolutely stunning!
Hilarious and classic. This is why I love Peter and Patrick together tasting. I understand both sides here. On one hand, it would be helpful for viewers to see which wines did poorly so they can avoid them. But on the other hand, I understand respecting the producers by not showing them. It's one thing to call out Meiomi which is owned by a massive giant, Constellation Brands, but another thing to call out smaller Portuguese winemakers trying to make a living. For me personally, I've rarely come across Portuguese reds that I like. They are too heavily extracted, deep red and rich for my liking. I much more prefer the region for their quaffable whites and rosés in the summer.
@@TheSoulOfWine You're not hurting their reputation. The makers did that to themselves. You're in the US, you're protected by the world's strongest free speech rights, and the country has a long history of product reviews all kinds, from food to wine, film to theatre, and autos to mobile phones. They know the deal and can take it. That's doing business in the US. You ought to rethink your position. Failure to be s straight shooter will only harm your channel.
What a wonderful relaxed atmosphere again. Full of interesting things, statements and a relativizing smile! "More, more, more, it gives them less!"(9:35), with regard to wine. Heart warming Patrick. Gold! Peter's last words and his cautious conclusion, are very valuable and is often reality. Especially based on only a few wines. In a general sense, this applies to many well-known wine regions, such as the Douro. On average, the prices of dry Douro wines are highest (also within Portugal). Portugal as a whole is actually a patchwork of wine regions. I have been coming to Portugal for more than 20 years and the land, the people and the wines continue to fascinate. Thanks enthusiasts, let this be continued!
Thing is: if you don't mention the wines you end up damaging the whole Portuguese wine scene and not just this bad bunch of wines/producers. Your videos are improving though, and Peter and Patrick are great and knowledgeable. Cheers from Argentina!
Now, as a Brazilian , and heavy consumer of Portuguese wine , I ask if it’s possible to do a Dão region episode . P.S: Douro has a lot of good wines for better prices than that . The people that as marketing this wines to the U.S are not doing the work properly . Cheers !
If you get the chance try the wines from two cooperatives in the Douro namely Montes Ermos, Adega vila real . A good single quinta wine is pinalta . Do not know if these wines are in your market .
Douro might produce fine wines but the finest are made in Dão 😋 But still I believe none of the wines you had was Quinta da Leda which is the 3rd wine of Casa Ferreirinha from the same vineyard of Barca Velha.
Quinta dos Aciprestes Reserva for 18-22€ Grainha Reserva for 18-22€ Papa Figos for 8-12€ Duas Quintas for 12-15€ Excelent Portuguese wines for a very low price (all Duoro)
I am not sure wath you were tasting ... Portuguese wines are really good. and if you are drinking Baga keep the bottle at least 15 20 years baga needs time. If you need some sugestions i can give really nice wines at a fractions of the prices you are talking
You were unlucky with the wines, most probably the wines that are shipped to the US are the commercial least good wines. And Portugal has multiple wine regions Alentejo, Dao, Douro, Bairrada, Beira Interior, Tras os Montes,...
I had few bad wines in a row with Bret, it's not that they bad from that region but the line up lacked. Really appreciated the zoomed shots in this one seem as I usually watch on my phone. Made it much more emmersive. The shot with the three in the same frame on mobile is hard to see much face detail. Great and thanks again, this was a really good although I would love to of seen te wines. But I understand with what happened happening to wine king jay is a reasonable fear.
Come on, why cannot we see the wines, and why do you start with number 5? If you really want this channel to succed, you the 2 most famous and sought after entertainers in Peter and Patrick, please make a prooper format of these blind tastes
I am sorry the first 4 wines, not shown here, were of poor quality so you skipped showing them? Is that correct? Then the video starts with wines 5 through 8 and the first three of those were also undrinkable???
We never said that. I stated clearly that my favorite wines from Portugal come from central Portugal and from older areas around Lisbon. Colares remains my favorite, though shrinking region.
It America 🇺🇸 , not Korea!! We have free speech rights. Next time don’t be a fool and say what wines they were. If they sue like they did wine king, it will be thrown out instantly. They don’t even have a claim
The problem with this video is that you really should show the wines, good or bad. Sorry, but wine producers that make a bad wine should be shamed for that bad wine, especially for selling crap for $50.
Sorry but this wasn't a good video at all. I'm Portuguese, I drink many fine wine like Bordeaux Grand Cru Classes, Barolos, Chiantis, Riojas, and some Napas as well and we have many wines wo can compete with that ones in the Douro. What wines that guy gave u too taste? 5€ bottles of wine or what? U need to taste Douro wines like Pintas or Pintas Character, Quinta da Leda, Chryseia (made from Symington Family and Bruno Prats from Cos d'estournel) Roquete & Cazes made from Cazes (Portugal) and Bages families from Lynch-Bages so please try some Douro decent wines before u do proper comments about probably the most beautiful wine region in the world
U think Portuguese wines taste like shit but Portuguese wines often get 95 until 100 points from Wine Advocat, Wine Spectator, Wine Enthusiast, James Suckling etc and I don't think that's good from your reputation! 2 Masters of wine who don't know nothing about Portuguese fine wine which is much more interesting as south african wine for example, at least we do it with our grape varieties and we're not just another copy paste of Bourdeaux. Very sad to see one video like that from both of u. Maybe I need to come back to Attorney und Konstantin Baum again
It America 🇺🇸 , not Korea!! We have free speech rights. Next time don’t be a fool and say what wines they were. If they sue like they did wine king, it will be thrown out instantly. They don’t even have a claim
안녕하세요 장민영 입니다.
오늘은 선생님께 배달이 된 의문의 포르투갈 와인을 리뷰 해봤습니다.
1-4번 테이스팅은 편집되었음을 알려드립니다.
같은 프로듀서의 와인들이 대부분이어서, 혹시나 와인메이커에 해가 될까 모든 와인들을 블라인드 처리 했으니 이해 부탁드립니다.
영상으로 인해 혹시라도 포르투갈의 위상이 떨어질까 걱정이 되서 영상을 올릴까 고민 했지만, 영상 앞에서 보듯이 페트릭 선생님께서도 포르투갈의 와인을 좋아 하신다 하고, 몇배 비싼 와인을 마셔봤지만, 여기 와인들이 좋다고 하신점, 피터 선생님께서도 오늘 테이스팅 한 와인 몇개가 안좋았을 뿐이지, 더 좋은 포르투갈 와인을 찾아보자고 하신 점을 감안해, 선생님들과 의견 나누고 올리게 되었습니다.
피터 선생님께서 짙은색 포도를 사용 하는게 좋다는 부분에 대한 부연설명을 드리자면,
포트 와인을 양조할때는, 스위트한 와인을 생산하기 위해 발효 중간에 주정강화를 합니다. 효모가 당분을 다 발효하지 못한 상태에서 발효가 중단되는 것인데, 따라서 껍질과의 접촉 시간이 드라이한 와인을 만들 때보다 짧기 때문에 색소가 많은 포도 품종을 쓰는게 유리합니다.
즐겁게 봐주시고, 기회가 되시면 포르투갈 와인에도 많은 관심을 가져주시면 감사하겠습니다!
Two Masters of Wines review Portuguese wines today.
The wines were delivered anonymously in the beginning.
Since 3 of the wines were from the same producer, revealing the wine potentially could hurt the reputation of the producer. Hence, we decided not to reveal the wines.
We practiced the medical phrase " First, do no harm"
Please comment below if you know good producers in Douro region !!
00:00 포르투갈 와인 산지의 배경지식
06:52 와인 테이스팅
14:59 클로징
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무엇을 우려하시는 지는 아나 어떤 방향이 구독자들에게 더 유익할지를 우선 고려해 주셨으면 좋겠다는 바람이에요
@@타키타키 이해 했습니다. 피드백 감사드립니다! 앞으로 더 좋은 채널을 만들 수 있도록 노력하겠습니다
Because of this comment, I’ve lost a lost a great deal of respect for this channel. If you are not revealing the name of a wine producer for fear of harming the winery, you’re in the wrong business. One more bs video like this and you’ve lost this subscriber.
Nice to have Peter and Patrick back
Why weren't the wines revealed? I'm taking a trip to the Douro later this year and would like to know what to avoid!
If i can give you a tip: quinta do infantado. I LOVED their Port and i liked most of their non-port wines
That's a pertinent question. We could surmise that the wines weren't revealed because the protagonists in this channel are merely grifters interested - not in wine - but only their self-promotion and financial gain (however slight).
Try wines from wine & soul, casa ferreirinha ((the best ones (quinta da leda for exemple)) from who come the most iconic Portuguese wine (Barca Velha), try Chryseia, try Quinta do Crasto wines. There are many high quality wines in the Douro. That Portuguese guy in the video gave really crap wines to Peter and Patrick to taste that's for sure.
I so often find that Portugal really is a place where producers make better wines thinking they´re not doing that. So many expensive bottles from there can be seriously unpleasant while at the cheaper end some wines can be absolutely stunning!
Yes it's like they have no idea what the value of their wines is, no marketing skills whatsoever. It's difficult to navigate!
I've been hoping you guys would be back tasting. Made my day. Subscribed.
Hilarious and classic. This is why I love Peter and Patrick together tasting.
I understand both sides here. On one hand, it would be helpful for viewers to see which wines did poorly so they can avoid them. But on the other hand, I understand respecting the producers by not showing them. It's one thing to call out Meiomi which is owned by a massive giant, Constellation Brands, but another thing to call out smaller Portuguese winemakers trying to make a living. For me personally, I've rarely come across Portuguese reds that I like. They are too heavily extracted, deep red and rich for my liking. I much more prefer the region for their quaffable whites and rosés in the summer.
리스트는 공개 안되었지만 포르투갈 와인을 이해하는데 좋은 자료였습니다 감사합니다 ^^
시청 감사합니다 🎉
So happy that my favourite Masters of Whine are back!!
I don’t get it! Why not reveal the tasted wines? I feel I’ve just wasted 15 minutes😏
Sorry, I did not want to hurt the reputation of the producer since some of the wines from the same producer/importer were actually good.
@@TheSoulOfWine You're not hurting their reputation. The makers did that to themselves.
You're in the US, you're protected by the world's strongest free speech rights, and the country has a long history of product reviews all kinds, from food to wine, film to theatre, and autos to mobile phones. They know the deal and can take it. That's doing business in the US.
You ought to rethink your position. Failure to be s straight shooter will only harm your channel.
Without having these wines identified, we run the risk of blowing our money on wines that Patrick and Peter did not like.
@@marilynbeardslee2163I agree. I will keep that in mind next time
Or...identify these wines as a comment here.
What a wonderful relaxed atmosphere again. Full of interesting things, statements and a relativizing smile! "More, more, more, it gives them less!"(9:35), with regard to wine. Heart warming Patrick. Gold!
Peter's last words and his cautious conclusion, are very valuable and is often reality. Especially based on only a few wines. In a general sense, this applies to many well-known wine regions, such as the Douro. On average, the prices of dry Douro wines are highest (also within Portugal). Portugal as a whole is actually a patchwork of wine regions. I have been coming to Portugal for more than 20 years and the land, the people and the wines continue to fascinate. Thanks enthusiasts, let this be continued!
The Portuguese red wines at Grocery Outlet are very good and cost ~$6. Would love to see them reviewed.
Would love for you guys to taste Portuguese wines from a more discerning importer. There are gems!!
We plan on doing so as I love Portuguese wines! This was why we were so disappointed.
Thing is: if you don't mention the wines you end up damaging the whole Portuguese wine scene and not just this bad bunch of wines/producers. Your videos are improving though, and Peter and Patrick are great and knowledgeable. Cheers from Argentina!
Will reveal next time! Thanks for watching
스위트 와인도 한번만 다뤄주세요 ㅠ 토카이 소테른 아이스바인 포트 셰리 종류도 참많은데 mw 분들의 리뷰는 찾기가 정말 힘들어서요 ㅠ
really happy to see peter and patrick again here :)
This was _very_ funny, but those producers were not quite as entertained. Public enema number 1 😅🤣
Now, as a Brazilian , and heavy consumer of Portuguese wine , I ask if it’s possible to do a Dão region episode . P.S: Douro has a lot of good wines for better prices than that . The people that as marketing this wines to the U.S are not doing the work properly . Cheers !
Yes to Dão wines! My favorite Portuguese table wines have come from the Dão region.
I also love many of those wines. We’re working on better wines for a future video.
Nice video but you should make a video about Alvarinho, testing Alvarinho , It is the norther most region of Portugal with incredible white wines.
We will and I love those wines.
If you get the chance try the wines from two cooperatives in the Douro namely Montes Ermos, Adega vila real . A good single quinta wine is pinalta . Do not know if these wines are in your market .
Douro might produce fine wines but the finest are made in Dão 😋
But still I believe none of the wines you had was Quinta da Leda which is the 3rd wine of Casa Ferreirinha from the same vineyard of Barca Velha.
심지어 무슨 와인인지 1도 모르는 상태인데도 공부가 됩니다.. 역시 스승님들*
Quinta dos Aciprestes Reserva for 18-22€
Grainha Reserva for 18-22€
Papa Figos for 8-12€
Duas Quintas for 12-15€
Excelent Portuguese wines for a very low price (all Duoro)
Papa Figos is a low quality wine, there's 200 wines better in same price range.
@@andrecosta8679 Name 2 then, if there are 200.
@@andrecosta8679I would pay 2€ more and get Vinha Grande. Is way better than Papa Figos and for the price a great value as well.
오 포르투갈 와인 이군요 ㅎㅎ 개인적으로는 알렌떼쥬의 트린카데이라 품종하고 다옹의 엔크루자두로 만든 와인이 맘에 들더라구요 ㅎㅎ 선생님들께서 드신 와인들이 어떤건지 좀 궁금하긴 합니다 ㅎㅎ
I love the Alentejo region also.
@@dr.patfarrellmasterofwine1496 wow! I'm so honored that you commented on it yourself!
안그래도 10월달에 D5 fortified wine 시험 치는데 도움 많이 됐습니다 감사합니다!(가능하시면 스파클링 와인 테이스팅 팁도 조심스럽게 부탁드려봐요ㅎㅎ)
are wines like those still around? ...looks like no one has realised that the 90s are gone!!! ;)
I am not sure wath you were tasting ... Portuguese wines are really good. and if you are drinking Baga keep the bottle at least 15 20 years baga needs time. If you need some sugestions i can give really nice wines at a fractions of the prices you are talking
For a good dry Douro go for Seabra. Stellar wines
You were unlucky with the wines, most probably the wines that are shipped to the US are the commercial least good wines. And Portugal has multiple wine regions Alentejo, Dao, Douro, Bairrada, Beira Interior, Tras os Montes,...
흥미로워용 😆
저두 Duoro Branco 마셨습니다 ㅎ
고수님 오셨네요@.@
I had few bad wines in a row with Bret, it's not that they bad from that region but the line up lacked.
Really appreciated the zoomed shots in this one seem as I usually watch on my phone. Made it much more emmersive. The shot with the three in the same frame on mobile is hard to see much face detail.
Great and thanks again, this was a really good although I would love to of seen te wines. But I understand with what happened happening to wine king jay is a reasonable fear.
Thanks for understanding 🙏
What is happening and happened to wineking? Can you explain please? Thank you🎉
@@jurajbrugos1093 he has videos on his channel of being taken to court by a wine company for a critical video on his channel.
something like that
Interesting to see Peter being nice to that last wine. Usually he is the one that issues the death penalty
Come on, why cannot we see the wines, and why do you start with number 5?
If you really want this channel to succed, you the 2 most famous and sought after entertainers in Peter and Patrick, please make a prooper format of these blind tastes
👍
최근 똥맛나는 와인 두병 마셨...
I am sorry the first 4 wines, not shown here, were of poor quality so you skipped showing them? Is that correct? Then the video starts with wines 5 through 8 and the first three of those were also undrinkable???
Douro is not the only place that produces fine wine in Portugal. That’s straight false
Dão wines can be spectacular.
Aljandro is the same
We never said that. I stated clearly that my favorite wines from Portugal come from central Portugal and from older areas around Lisbon. Colares remains my favorite, though shrinking region.
It America 🇺🇸 , not Korea!! We have free speech rights. Next time don’t be a fool and say what wines they were. If they sue like they did wine king, it will be thrown out instantly. They don’t even have a claim
사실 저는 선생님들이 싫어하는 와인들에서 더 공부를 많이 했늗데 ㅋ 아쉽네요
저렴이들로 한번 준비 하겠습니다!
The problem with this video is that you really should show the wines, good or bad. Sorry, but wine producers that make a bad wine should be shamed for that bad wine, especially for selling crap for $50.
역시 포르투갈은 비뉴베르드!! 더운날씨에 벌컥벌컥!! 이 의문의 와인들이 가성비 최강 알렌테쥬가 아니길……
Good video but I strongly disagree with the decision to not reveal the wines. You're an independent channel, are you not?
I am independent. I am also new to TH-cam as well. Learning process
Sorry but this wasn't a good video at all. I'm Portuguese, I drink many fine wine like Bordeaux Grand Cru Classes, Barolos, Chiantis, Riojas, and some Napas as well and we have many wines wo can compete with that ones in the Douro. What wines that guy gave u too taste? 5€ bottles of wine or what? U need to taste Douro wines like Pintas or Pintas Character, Quinta da Leda, Chryseia (made from Symington Family and Bruno Prats from Cos d'estournel) Roquete & Cazes made from Cazes (Portugal) and Bages families from Lynch-Bages so please try some Douro decent wines before u do proper comments about probably the most beautiful wine region in the world
By not revealing the name of a producer or a brand in order to protect them, you are tarnishing the name of an entire region.
U think Portuguese wines taste like shit but Portuguese wines often get 95 until 100 points from Wine Advocat, Wine Spectator, Wine Enthusiast, James Suckling etc and I don't think that's good from your reputation! 2 Masters of wine who don't know nothing about Portuguese fine wine which is much more interesting as south african wine for example, at least we do it with our grape varieties and we're not just another copy paste of Bourdeaux. Very sad to see one video like that from both of u. Maybe I need to come back to Attorney und Konstantin Baum again
Fantastic you changed the copycat name good luck!
We prefer no association with our previous associate!
@dr.patfarrellmasterofwine1496 obviously. It was a very poor choice of channel name.
It America 🇺🇸 , not Korea!! We have free speech rights. Next time don’t be a fool and say what wines they were. If they sue like they did wine king, it will be thrown out instantly. They don’t even have a claim