The issues with the Corvette shifting is due to him not being use to shifting with the opposite hand. Shifter input and clutch pedal timing are off. As is his dexterity finding third with that hand. The synchros have no issues with ripping second fast and hard but if shifter input is not matched with your clutch pedal movement....synchros grind. Once he is use to it he would find the numbers and no grinding.
MovieMuscle your absolutely right and I test drove a 08 Z06 with 21k miles and I felt the synchros grinding and it worries me. The second one I drove which I bought with 17k, I did the same thing, so I thought my timing with the clutch rpms and shifter is off. So I learn the timing and bang, smooth as silk!
Don’t understand….every other ZO6 test I’ve seen matches the stated 0-60 numbers. Either the driver has an issue or something is wrong with the car or there’s another reason. Interesting there was nothing positive said about the Z06, it’s an amazing car especially for the price. Is it a hatred for all things American? I don’t know. Regarding resale value over time, wealthy individuals own Porches and they bid up the values, throwing a bunch of money at them. A Corvette is attainable for most of us, affordable to maintain AND the Z06 and ZR1 trims do hold their value quite well with low mileage, which I suspect is what most Porches have.
Marcus Riller Just the block, nothing else is 3K. The car I mentioned had a cracked water jacket. So all you would need is a new block. That and new bearings/rings but still.
+AllyourBaseArebelongToUs Dude i would like to own a c6 z06 if i could afford it of course and i don't care if it's not the fstest car i'm an ordinary car driver after all this car is already too much for me but is also very cool :-) Many times i've read stupid comments..people arguing themselves for all cars just like they are experts and supposely they will drive those cars to the limit ?? Where ??? in public roads ?? Just asking !! In Nordschleife ?? Haha just everybody check in videos how many stupid drivers overrating themselves go there and crashes their cars and yet they want Koenigsegg One ..ahahaha let me LAUGH fucking laughable idiots !! Dude my comment it's not against you i'm just saying things :-)
@MikeBR92 Yes, they do rate the Z06 at 3.6-3.7 0-60 here. They normally use 1 foot roll-out because your allowed to do that in the 1/4 and normally they test with it and without it and give both times. However comparing 1/4 times to other 1/4 times is reasonable. The fastest 1/4 times in both of these stock in 2008 left the Z06 as the winner.
I see what you're coming from, In Porsche you experience a more versatile every day car with more attention to detail and amenities but I would still take a Z06/ZR1 over a 911 Turbo/Turbo s. The turbo models seem to me to be less involving and more for touring, the Z06 seems a little more connected maybe and is for certain more thrilling, at least from my experiences. I havent driven a 997 Turbo I have driven the 996 and thought the c5 Z06 to be a more thrilling (also frightening) experience.
I agree they act more like a composite sway bar than a leaf spring on the vehicle. Great handling car, a set of adjustable coil overs does wonders for this car's track times.
Chris honestly, my favorite host and great driver but your shifting was trash in the z06. That z06 seemed beat up with the 2nd gear synchros shot and bogged launch. Consistently ( mine included before i got the zr1) my z06 (like others) stock (without prep) hits 60 in mid 3's and easy mid 11's . prepped stock z06's ive seen even faster. Hell, stock z06 from 2008 ran the nurburgring in 7:22 smashing majority of exotics like enzo (7:25), carrera gt (7:28) and a 2008 911 turbo was at 7:29. I know this is older but i feel the bias a bit . Still my favorite reviewer by far. Well, tiff is close LOL
@blackvapour The corvettes' suspension is very different from the leaf spring you are thinking of. It's a double wishbone suspension just like a lot of other sports cars use, just not paired with coil springs over the dampers. Instead, the corvette has a single leaf running horizontally. The advantages to this suspension are that it is more durable than coil springs, and they are 1/3 of the weight of coil springs. The disadvantage is that they are more expensive than coil springs.
I'm an American and have never bought an American car and probably never will. American car companies just don't and won't understand the importance of quality. You can look at the interior of the $120K+ flagship Corvette ZR1 and all the materials look like they were taken out of a $15K Chevy Sonic. Even after GM was bailed out of bankruptcy they still haven't learned about the importance of quality. GM should have been left to go bankrupt because of their stubbornness for decades.
It goes 0-60 mph in first gear. MotorTrend in 2005 magazine comparisons got it I. 3.5 0-60 mph for the Z06 and most other mags get it at 3.7 secs 0-60 (Yes I know it's a 2006 car. Yes I know mph and kph are diff, just advising what I read in 2005.)
The Porsche was expensive new however in the UK it has gained value to about £140k whereas the vette sells at £50k at the moment(still not cheap). So you can almost take the cost out of the equation.
@@azimy9388 I accept the Vette is more accessible. My point was that the difference in cost is not an issue provided one has the capital, seeing as the Porsche is appreciating and will therefore pay for ownership whereas the Corvette isn't.
Suggestive Biscuits Yes but let’s not forget the moment they get their hands on it the value goes down since that’s another owner on the title. And the moment they begin driving it that also drives the value down. You can’t really buy cars like these expecting a return and enjoying it at the same time
@@azimy9388 I used to work in classic car trading and the number of owners doesn't greatly affect value, its significantly more about condition seeing as neither of these cars are new. In my experience Porsches are a lot less affected by mileage than other sports car brands. Even the highest mileage GT2s still fetch over £110k, so a similar loss to the Vette in terms of retail price.
Suggestive Biscuits GT2s aren’t really considered “classic” yet. Also the cost to maintain then. Nowadays there are much better investments than a GT2.
Brits just love making fun of the Vette's leaf springs.. apparently they don't understand it very well. It's not set up anything like a truck, and is actually double wishbone similar to any good race car. The leafs are composite too, quite an impressive suspension package (for someone who knows anything about suspension)
@RocketNothing Thanks. I bought the car to try out a muscle car. I prefer the Z06 add ons than the plain Vette. I know what you mean about the fanboys. I just got the latest car & track. They test the Z06 vs 911 Turbo S vs R8 5.2 vs Aston V12 Vantage. The 911 spits all 3 out the back. 2 secs faster to 100mph. 10.7 through the 1/4 mile. The funniest one though. Z06 0-10mph 0.4secs. 911 0-10mph 0.1secs. It's pushrod alright but works well enough. I moved here from Ireland so I had to try one.
craig thomas the GT2 did the 1/4 mile in around 11.3 @ 130 mph depending on what test you look at. Motor Trend tested it at 11.4 @ 127.9 mph. The time you put down is for the more powerful GT2 RS that has 620 horsepower versus the regular GT2’s 530 horsepower. The GT2 RS was a much better car than the GT2.
@InitialDAmine Autozeitung test track, Germany ZR1 1:34.1 GT2 1:37.0 Hockenheim Short, Germany ZR1 1:09.7 GT2 1:09.7 Nordschleife, Germany ZR1 7:26.4 GT2 7:31 Top gear Track ZR1 1:20.4 (Damp) GT2 1:19.5 (Partly Damp) The interesting thing is I can't find 1 track in the US that they both competed on so I would love to know the 5-6 you are talking about.
@Marc99GT where is the last digit on the Hockenheim short huh wasn't it 1:09:71 for the GT2 and 1:09:76 for the ZR1? i ll add Luk Driving Center : GT2 1:04.82 ZR1 1:06.58 Anglesey:GT2 0:59.8 ZR1 0:59.9 you forgot to mention these duh so? there is another track i mentioned before but can't remember it name
As soon as he said "its got leaf springs so it is not the most advanced vehicle on the planet" proved this guy is a tool and had no idea what he was talking about.
aja342 Chris Harris a tool??? I love the Z06, but Harris' evaluation of automobiles is top notch, and people poked fun at the vette's use of leaf springs all the time. GT2 is just a beast, though at over twice the cost.
Well fact...1-2 shift on a cold Z06 is gonna grind. A warm transmission is a happy transmission, I wonder what this guy was launching at, probably way too low on the RPMs or too much wheel spin. And if you take all the nannies off and punch a Z06 I guarantee you are going all over the road, it not be the composed straight line leisurely jaunt that was, you have to master the beast. The Z06 is and aggressive car, but really kind of a waste on the drag strip, its more at home on a road course. How do I know... I drive a modded 535 RWHP Z06 only every day. Oh and by the way they are transverse leaf springs, but you can upgrade to aftermarket coil-overs. I guess if you want a smooth soul-less ride you can drink tea in buy European. If you want a car that you have to master and gives you an experience get a Z06.
"I guess if you want a smooth soul-less ride you can drink tea in buy European. If you want a car that you have to master and gives you an experience get a Z06." In other words, if you want precious and finesse, buy European. If you want cheaply made car with no refinement, buy GM.
***** Unreliable... coming from some supporting GM, now that's funny! And European cars are boring because they don't have huge V8's with laughable suspension setups?
***** Where did you get the impression that Porsche's are terribly unreliable? Sure, they didn't have the best reputation for reliability when they used air-cooled engine, but they've been pretty damn good for a sports car since changing to water-cooled units in the late 90's. And I don't see how you can suggest a Corvette gives an "experience", whereas something like a Porsche doesn't. They give to different kinds of experience I guess; with a newer Corvette you get pure, unadulterated power, with a Porsche you get one of the best handling chassis ever fitted to a sports car.
***** Because, with the exception of new 2014 Stingray, Corvettes are known for being unpredictable and simply lacking balance of something like a Porsche. I mean with the 640BHP the ZR1 gets, it would simply monster a 415BHP GT3 if it had a comparable chassis, but it doesn't. Perhaps a Vette does have a really good chassis, but a Porshce must have a really, really good chassis.
@Marc99GT where is the last digit on the Hockenheim short huh wasn't it 1:09:71 for the GT2 and 1:09:76 for the ZR1? i ll add Luk Driving Center : GT2 1:04.82 ZR1 1:06.58 Anglesey:GT2 0:59.8 ZR1 0:59.9 you forgot to mention these huh so? there is another track i mentioned before can't remember it right now but can find it np
Shifting gears like a rookie, thats why I dont like his reviews, because he cant drive a real macho car, the fact it has leaf springs doesnt make it slower in a straight line.I ve seen almost every review of z06 and the real racing drivers all liked corvette, saying it is proper weapon on the track but also proper fun
+kize32 You may or may not like his reviews, but there's no doubting his driving abilities ...including some great finishes at the Nurburgrig 24 hours. He's also driven a lot more macho cars than your Corvette, including a 1200 hp 9FF and oh, you know, a formula 1 car. And he likes the corvette, nowhere does it say he doesn't, including this review. He even says it's the gas that might be bad; I'm sure if the Porsche was slower and he made that excuse, you'd be ridiculing him.
He may be able to drive some other cars, I dont care, this one he can't. And F1 car is really macho with all the clever electronics and traction control etc. It was macho 25 years ago with manual transmition and 1000 hp without the gadgets. Now it's a boring piece of shit
+kize32 I'm sure you can easily jump in a F1 car and drive it fast. Or just after 1 or 2 days training. When you're used to work with slick gearboxes it's not easy to suddenly work on a gearbox developed for a truck, like the one in this Corvette. Even the new Corvette Stingray has an auto that is developed for both trucks and the Corvette (the one Chevy says changes gears faster than Porsche PDK but feels just junk). And I guess for some other Chevy cars. You know, to save money. There is an actual reason some cars are more expensive.
He's not use to shifting with his opposite hand. His clutch and shifter inputs are not timed correctly. He just needs to get use to shifting with the other hand.
+gws108 I think the British would rather see the American win this than the German once again. They are fed up with German wins so it's not any propaganda against American cars. Specially from Chris Harris that likes US cars.
@Marc99GT as for price you are comparing a car with import fee taxs ect to a local product, mind you on neutral ground (aka outside north america) the ZR1 cost about 180k$ so got anything else to add?
Corvette fans are HILARIOUS. Here is a typical conversation : Vette fan: the Porsche is AWD so of course it is faster. 911 fan: Umm no the GT2 is RWD Vette fan: well.. Umm. Tne 911 is ugly and is crap!! 911 fan: SMH. It will be ok bro. You're just mad Vette fan (kicking and screaming hurling typically American racial insults about European crap etc
Racial insults? You daft mate? Americans are white. Europeans are White. You cannot be racist against your own race, not even when you are from a different ethnic group within said race...say English, German, Swedish, Norwegian etc. That said, the Corvette (the ZR-1 and the new Stingray) are great cars. Racist = Believing your specific race (black, brown, white etc) to be superior to that of other races. That is the definition, you cannot add your own or change the damn goalpost like the cultural Marxists, lefties, feminists, socialists and communists always do to include just about anything. Language does *not* work that way. If it did we would not be able to communicate in the first place, this is why we have *set* definitions for words. If we didn't communication would break down, communication would not work because everyone would be using their own definitions and they would change by the minute. But I digress.
funniest part is that 7.0 is more compact, lighter, and has triple the warranty the GT2 has. the GT2 at this time was the top of the line porsche you could get (rs later) it was amazing performance for the time and cost nearly 3X the z06. in europe about 2X.
+Astralwurksdk Wow nice speech. but really now dude haven't you ever seen complaints and stupid excuses by other car funs ??? Just take a look for the ferrari fun boys - GT-R fuboys and e.t.c And i'm not american !! And i have 2 cars as super favorites No-1 c7 z06 and No-2 by half clic below the Godzillas Yet i'm not saying that other cars are shit like others :-)
997 around Nürburgring 7:31, the C6 Z06 7:22 (Z07 package, still 1/2 price of the 997). Spend $5-6k on a HCI for the ZO6 and that 997 would be toast in the dig race. There is no mod under $20k for the 997 to gain significant HP.
The Z06 was cold. Not really a good excuse, but these transmissions won't shift fast until they're warmed up a bit. When you push them cold, 2nd gear is very stiff and will grind if forced.
@Marc99GT the standard GT2 stock with stock tires won't be able to do under 11s simply because all the GT models don't come with twin clutch pdk which save time they all use a proper manuel
There is a difference between springs and shock-absorbers. The Porsche has normal coil springs while the Vette (yes that includes the Z06) has leaf springs. The Porsche has single sleeve gas pressurized shock absorbers while the Vette (again including the Z06) has those magnetorheological MagneRide shock-absorbers.
@Marc99GT inside line test in one track.... for acceleration and 1/4... the ZR1 has been tested several times by them. while the turbo had only one chance....
@InitialDAmine search: 2009 ZR1 Bone-Stock on Stock Tires--10.74 133.21 I know it is not on drag radials because no company makes drag radials that rim size.
not entirely sure why this was a question... the vette is fast as hell, but the GT2 has more power, torque, and weighs the same, has all the weight on the rear axle... and crucially the better gearbox.
@jarrus464 The Z06 has leaf springs just like the rest of the range. The only different is they are composite but they're still leaf springs. I was looking at them 3 weeks ago while my car was up on a lift while the wheels got painted.
@ohai2u >----> leaf springs are simple build and provide all the necessary suspension to the rear of the car. No other setup is needed! That's why they Cheverolet still uses them on the Corvette!
@InitialDAmine Let me explain something to you. The ZR1 uses a TWIN DISC clutch setup for more durability and to handle the 600 ft-lbs of torque without slipping. It is a true manual with clutch pedal. It is not a Semi-Automatic wet Dual clutch transmission. I wish GM came out with that because all of the cars would be much faster with lightning quick shifts.
Have you ever wondered why the UK folks always run these "XYZ German/Italian Car vs Corvettes" set ups when it's cold, windy and "a slight uphill incline" or something similar. Yea, now that's a fair set up. You put some sticky cup tires on the Z06 and line it up on a flat to start 10 mph roll out on a "professional" road course on a warm 80 degree day and see what happens. The GT2 would be lucky to stay on the same lap as the Z06. Anyone who knows anything about race cars would concur.
@nicknickk no you'll understand the difference when you'll see the race between the GT2 vs ZR1 (which autocar did it ) 530hp vs 638hp just search for the video
The Porsche is probably also safer, even though its known for snap oversteer. The Corvettes are completely mad with traction control off, you need to muster every bit of concentration possible and have very quick reactions to control a Corvette on the limit but it is pretty rewarding.
I agree. I would rather have a Z06 as well because the power you can make with a 427 will never be matched by a 4 cylinder, 6 or small 8 especially on 93 octane. A Z06 has already run 8s on 93 octane.
Enough with the 'leaf springs are crude' BS. Those transverse composite springs are very light, package well, and reduce un-sprung weight. The rest of the suspension is all-aluminum, with double wishbones at the front and multi-link at the rear. There is nothing crude about it. The leaf spring's only downside is limited ride-height adjustability, which is no downside at all for the vast majority of owners. For the rest, there are solutions available.
The Corvette and the Porsche 911 are quite a pair, if you think about it. Both have been in continuous production for going-on half a century now. Both still hold strong traditions from the original model, including rear-engine for the Porsche, and the fiberglass body for the Corvette. Both have been described as the penultimate sports car of their respective countries. Both have heaps of racing pedigree, and of course, both are absolutely fast as hell. ... But nothing launches like a 911.
Supercharging the LS7 would have killed the competition without a problem, but I believe the walls were too thin on the 427. Some people have successfully done this, but it didn't offer GM the reliability they were looking for to cover the 5 yr/100K mile warranty. Lingenfelter has already gone 10.03 @ almost 142 mph with the zr1 and minor upgrades. It made 739 rwhp so there is alot left on the table with the stock ZR1. Video - watch?v=rBjZOtTfnHA
@destin325 i dont think it was a 5 mile track though. the skid and slalom was pretty much no contest for the vette. just the 1/4 mile was close really which is understandable. i dont really think it was a smoking either but it was pretty damn close lol. 2 secs per lap is a big diff.
Zr1 vs GT2 isn't fair either , 6.2l supercharged vs 3.6l turbo isn't fair in any racing regulations. smaller specialized companies need larger profits per car in order to survive, larger car companies move higher volumes and don't need such profits per unit. then you add the car's prestige and exclusivity. let's face it , no matter how fast a Corvette is, no one will pay a Porsche or Ferrari price on it.
For those of you hating on the Z06 Driver saying he cannot drive i suggest you look into 2 things, 1 his current job as a car journalist vs yours and 2 watch the other videos of him he knows what hes doing hes a pretty good driver you're just going to have to accept that porsches are one of the worlds finest cars and that a corvette wont match up to them, oh and don't mention the ZR1 for god sake.
@Marc99GT the ZR1 is capable of mid 10s that i agree with as a stock, but with drag radials not with stock tires.sure the Turbo is a 4wd but i remind you about 150hp less than the ZR1 and weight hundreds of lbs more that the ZR1 the diffrence is quite big and yet with the help of it double clutch gear box and extra traction it pulls better times than the ZR1 As for the GT2 check my last post i clearly said a stock GT2 with stock won't be able to do under an 11s but can get so close to it
Many times it is maintenance, without regular oil changes, filter replacements, etc., any car will soon become unreliable. In fact a couple of years ago I bought a used '02 Honda Accord and the previous owner hadn't taken care of it correctly, so I had to replace the engine over Christmas. I agree that if people didn't screw around with their cars so much they would last a lot longer.
I'm sort of baffled by your response. The GT2's torque is not "leagues beyond" the Corvette's; it has 70ft/lbs less, and the turbos insure that it's not going to be as well distributed as the NA engine's. As much as I love him, I think Harris was probably right when he implied that he was just having an off-day. The GT2 would still win, probably, but not by nearly as much as this video suggests.
Thank GM because all of the 2010 Manual Corvettes have launch control. I can't wait to see the new numbers for the Z06 and ZR1. Hell, the base Corvette is now down to 3.9-4.0 which is really quick.
@InitialDAmine You used Top Gear is a Reference which is fine. Did you see the Motortrend comparison? Straight from Motortrend: The GT2 trips the lights in just 11.4 sec at 127.9 mph, the 599 in 11.3 sec at 126.4 mph, and the mighty ZR1 in a blazing 11.2 sec at 130.5 mph. Translated from numbers into English: The ZR1 simply spanks the pricey European bluebloods. Not my words.
@freezazoid dont forget the vette uses runflat tires, with normal sport tires it will do alot better driving it around a track and it did a 1.22.4 on the Top Gear track which is faster than the zonda, f430 and murcielago for example
I'm American, a big fan of Porsche, but c'mon. Do you think anyone really expects a Zo6 to beat a GT2 in a competition? The fact that its close enough to warrant a competition, at half the price, is saying quite enough about the Vette in my opinion.
The victory of the GT2 is hardly surprising vs. Z06, given the higher power (530 vs. 505), the superior traction due to the weight distro (RR vs. FR), and the flatter power band since it's a turbo vs. the normally-aspirated Z06. This is all perfectly fine, but what I cannot STAND is when journalists lament the "leaf" spring in the 'Vettes. The Vette has a high-tech COMPOSITE TRANSVERSE LEAF SPRING at the back, not the ELLIPTIC leaf springs found in trucks or "lorries"!!!!
@ePauloX I just sold my 09 M3 and am now driving a Z06. You should try one before you know it. There's no comparison in quality but I think of it as a North American TVR. If you have some skill and keep concentrating it's excellent fun. Don't knock the car because of some moron. The front end is Carbon Fiber unlike the std Corvette so it's not all plastic :) The Chassis is nicely balanced but like I say you need to be on top of it. The acceleration is a buzz. My M3 was a better car all round tho
I would say the Vette did a awesome job because it is less than half the price of the 911!
I would take 2 Vettes over one 911...
Chrisfix here
hello 2010 chris fix
Hahahaha legendary
That corvette is a bag of shite
Wtf Chris fix has always been based.
The issues with the Corvette shifting is due to him not being use to shifting with the opposite hand. Shifter input and clutch pedal timing are off. As is his dexterity finding third with that hand. The synchros have no issues with ripping second fast and hard but if shifter input is not matched with your clutch pedal movement....synchros grind. Once he is use to it he would find the numbers and no grinding.
MovieMuscle your absolutely right and I test drove a 08 Z06 with 21k miles and I felt the synchros grinding and it worries me. The second one I drove which I bought with 17k, I did the same thing, so I thought my timing with the clutch rpms and shifter is off. So I learn the timing and bang, smooth as silk!
Chris Harris is a pro race car driver
gt2 is porsches fastest car it should be compared with the zr1 not zo6
C6 ZR1 hadn't been built yet.
Don’t understand….every other ZO6 test I’ve seen matches the stated 0-60 numbers. Either the driver has an issue or something is wrong with the car or there’s another reason. Interesting there was nothing positive said about the Z06, it’s an amazing car especially for the price. Is it a hatred for all things American? I don’t know. Regarding resale value over time, wealthy individuals own Porches and they bid up the values, throwing a bunch of money at them. A Corvette is attainable for most of us, affordable to maintain AND the Z06 and ZR1 trims do hold their value quite well with low mileage, which I suspect is what most Porches have.
C6 Z06's are 35K used now.
997s are 90K used.
SANIC closer to 40K but still.. AMAZING car for the price. New Camaro SS (w/all options) is 40K.. twice the car for the same price
Ksole89 I saw one for 23k 13,000 mikes.
Owner cracked the water jacket.
Nothing a $3k ls7 blobk from Chevy performance can't fix
+AllyourBaseArebelongToUs are you serious? An LS7 short block is nearly 6-7K. Long block 10+
Marcus Riller Just the block, nothing else is 3K.
The car I mentioned had a cracked water jacket.
So all you would need is a new block.
That and new bearings/rings but still.
+AllyourBaseArebelongToUs
Dude i would like to own a c6 z06 if i could afford it of course and i don't care if it's not the fstest car i'm an ordinary car driver after all
this car is already too much for me but is also very cool :-)
Many times i've read stupid comments..people arguing themselves for all cars just like they are experts and supposely they will drive those cars to the limit ??
Where ??? in public roads ?? Just asking !!
In Nordschleife ?? Haha just everybody check in videos how many stupid drivers overrating themselves go there and crashes their cars and yet they want Koenigsegg One ..ahahaha let me LAUGH fucking laughable idiots !!
Dude my comment it's not against you i'm just saying things :-)
@MikeBR92 Yes, they do rate the Z06 at 3.6-3.7 0-60 here. They normally use 1 foot roll-out because your allowed to do that in the 1/4 and normally they test with it and without it and give both times.
However comparing 1/4 times to other 1/4 times is reasonable. The fastest 1/4 times in both of these stock in 2008 left the Z06 as the winner.
I see what you're coming from, In Porsche you experience a more versatile every day car with more attention to detail and amenities but I would still take a Z06/ZR1 over a 911 Turbo/Turbo s. The turbo models seem to me to be less involving and more for touring, the Z06 seems a little more connected maybe and is for certain more thrilling, at least from my experiences. I havent driven a 997 Turbo I have driven the 996 and thought the c5 Z06 to be a more thrilling (also frightening) experience.
I agree they act more like a composite sway bar than a leaf spring on the vehicle. Great handling car, a set of adjustable coil overs does wonders for this car's track times.
Chris honestly, my favorite host and great driver but your shifting was trash in the z06. That z06 seemed beat up with the 2nd gear synchros shot and bogged launch. Consistently ( mine included before i got the zr1) my z06 (like others) stock (without prep) hits 60 in mid 3's and easy mid 11's . prepped stock z06's ive seen even faster. Hell, stock z06 from 2008 ran the nurburgring in 7:22 smashing majority of exotics like enzo (7:25), carrera gt (7:28) and a 2008 911 turbo was at 7:29. I know this is older but i feel the bias a bit . Still my favorite reviewer by far. Well, tiff is close LOL
@blackvapour The corvettes' suspension is very different from the leaf spring you are thinking of. It's a double wishbone suspension just like a lot of other sports cars use, just not paired with coil springs over the dampers. Instead, the corvette has a single leaf running horizontally. The advantages to this suspension are that it is more durable than coil springs, and they are 1/3 of the weight of coil springs. The disadvantage is that they are more expensive than coil springs.
They needed to swap drivers. The presenter was having shifting issues (with what to him is the wrong hand).
Let me guess, you are a fucking yank.
@@Eidrian111 Let me guess. You're a fucking moron.
Z06 Guy your mother didn’t think so. Plus you need to learn how to use punctuation. Ignorant bitch.
Corvettes haven't had leafsprings for decades. Since the sixties, Corvettes have had a single transverse leaf spring.
Dear lord 240p..... Autocar wtf !?
maybe they should go back in time and re-shoot it?
I'm an American and have never bought an American car and probably never will. American car companies just don't and won't understand the importance of quality. You can look at the interior of the $120K+ flagship Corvette ZR1 and all the materials look like they were taken out of a $15K Chevy Sonic. Even after GM was bailed out of bankruptcy they still haven't learned about the importance of quality. GM should have been left to go bankrupt because of their stubbornness for decades.
It goes 0-60 mph in first gear. MotorTrend in 2005 magazine comparisons got it I. 3.5 0-60 mph for the Z06 and most other mags get it at 3.7 secs 0-60
(Yes I know it's a 2006 car. Yes I know mph and kph are diff, just advising what I read in 2005.)
A bone stock c6z is extremely fast. I’m really impressed with the that Porsche
Ah..Chris Harris before he was famous.
The Porsche was expensive new however in the UK it has gained value to about £140k whereas the vette sells at £50k at the moment(still not cheap). So you can almost take the cost out of the equation.
Vette Z06 in USA sells at 35-50k USD. You can’t really take cost out of the equation.
@@azimy9388 I accept the Vette is more accessible. My point was that the difference in cost is not an issue provided one has the capital, seeing as the Porsche is appreciating and will therefore pay for ownership whereas the Corvette isn't.
Suggestive Biscuits Yes but let’s not forget the moment they get their hands on it the value goes down since that’s another owner on the title. And the moment they begin driving it that also drives the value down. You can’t really buy cars like these expecting a return and enjoying it at the same time
@@azimy9388 I used to work in classic car trading and the number of owners doesn't greatly affect value, its significantly more about condition seeing as neither of these cars are new. In my experience Porsches are a lot less affected by mileage than other sports car brands. Even the highest mileage GT2s still fetch over £110k, so a similar loss to the Vette in terms of retail price.
Suggestive Biscuits GT2s aren’t really considered “classic” yet. Also the cost to maintain then. Nowadays there are much better investments than a GT2.
Brits just love making fun of the Vette's leaf springs.. apparently they don't understand it very well. It's not set up anything like a truck, and is actually double wishbone similar to any good race car. The leafs are composite too, quite an impressive suspension package (for someone who knows anything about suspension)
@RocketNothing Thanks. I bought the car to try out a muscle car. I prefer the Z06 add ons than the plain Vette. I know what you mean about the fanboys. I just got the latest car & track. They test the Z06 vs 911 Turbo S vs R8 5.2 vs Aston V12 Vantage. The 911 spits all 3 out the back. 2 secs faster to 100mph. 10.7 through the 1/4 mile. The funniest one though. Z06 0-10mph 0.4secs. 911 0-10mph 0.1secs. It's pushrod alright but works well enough. I moved here from Ireland so I had to try one.
Learn how to shift man...
Do you even know who he is? Imbecile.
Z06 11.2@126
GT2 10.9@134
1/4 mile
craig thomas the GT2 did the 1/4 mile in around 11.3 @ 130 mph depending on what test you look at. Motor Trend tested it at 11.4 @ 127.9 mph. The time you put down is for the more powerful GT2 RS that has 620 horsepower versus the regular GT2’s 530 horsepower. The GT2 RS was a much better car than the GT2.
I blame porsche for this mess,why do they have to make the GT 997 so great? this is not fair.
@InitialDAmine
Autozeitung test track, Germany ZR1 1:34.1 GT2 1:37.0
Hockenheim Short, Germany ZR1 1:09.7 GT2 1:09.7
Nordschleife, Germany ZR1 7:26.4 GT2 7:31
Top gear Track ZR1 1:20.4 (Damp) GT2 1:19.5 (Partly Damp)
The interesting thing is I can't find 1 track in the US that they both competed on so I would love to know the 5-6 you are talking about.
the zo6 clutch needs pushing in a bit more than other cars and good footwork to get it to dance..
no wonder he smothered the synchros in 2nd.
Lebron James hairline.
I hate comparisons..i love both cars and your traditions!!
"As soon as I see that wheel move I will go" haha i love that. btw Porsche all the way!!
@Marc99GT where is the last digit on the Hockenheim short huh wasn't it 1:09:71 for the GT2 and 1:09:76 for the ZR1?
i ll add Luk Driving Center : GT2 1:04.82 ZR1 1:06.58
Anglesey:GT2 0:59.8 ZR1 0:59.9
you forgot to mention these duh so?
there is another track i mentioned before but can't remember it name
Does Chris Harris drive a GT2 RS on any videos through Evo or Autocar?
drive both and the porsche is faster
997 likes. I ain't liking!
Ohh mighty Porche :-)
Completely random, but does anybody know the name of the tune that plays in all intros of these autocar videos`?
What's the name of the song at 0:43?
As soon as he said "its got leaf springs so it is not the most advanced vehicle on the planet" proved this guy is a tool and had no idea what he was talking about.
aja342 Chris Harris a tool??? I love the Z06, but Harris' evaluation of automobiles is top notch, and people poked fun at the vette's use of leaf springs all the time. GT2 is just a beast, though at over twice the cost.
Well fact...1-2 shift on a cold Z06 is gonna grind. A warm transmission is a happy transmission, I wonder what this guy was launching at, probably way too low on the RPMs or too much wheel spin. And if you take all the nannies off and punch a Z06 I guarantee you are going all over the road, it not be the composed straight line leisurely jaunt that was, you have to master the beast. The Z06 is and aggressive car, but really kind of a waste on the drag strip, its more at home on a road course. How do I know... I drive a modded 535 RWHP Z06 only every day. Oh and by the way they are transverse leaf springs, but you can upgrade to aftermarket coil-overs. I guess if you want a smooth soul-less ride you can drink tea in buy European. If you want a car that you have to master and gives you an experience get a Z06.
"I guess if you want a smooth soul-less ride you can drink tea in buy European. If you want a car that you have to master and gives you an experience get a Z06."
In other words, if you want precious and finesse, buy European. If you want cheaply made car with no refinement, buy GM.
*****
Unreliable... coming from some supporting GM, now that's funny! And European cars are boring because they don't have huge V8's with laughable suspension setups?
*****
Where did you get the impression that Porsche's are terribly unreliable? Sure, they didn't have the best reputation for reliability when they used air-cooled engine, but they've been pretty damn good for a sports car since changing to water-cooled units in the late 90's. And I don't see how you can suggest a Corvette gives an "experience", whereas something like a Porsche doesn't. They give to different kinds of experience I guess; with a newer Corvette you get pure, unadulterated power, with a Porsche you get one of the best handling chassis ever fitted to a sports car.
***** Because, with the exception of new 2014 Stingray, Corvettes are known for being unpredictable and simply lacking balance of something like a Porsche. I mean with the 640BHP the ZR1 gets, it would simply monster a 415BHP GT3 if it had a comparable chassis, but it doesn't. Perhaps a Vette does have a really good chassis, but a Porshce must have a really, really good chassis.
***** Certainly would have helped with balance, I mean it's not exactly a small engine
Conclusion: never let an idiot drive a Corvette...
+pepitomateo1
Hahaha Lol :-)
Do you even know who he is? Imbecile.
@jhuberdeau1 the ZR1 got a huge AETON SUPERCHARERwhy does it only have 638hp? while the GT2 RS with 3.6L got 620hp?
@Marc99GT where is the last digit on the Hockenheim short huh wasn't it 1:09:71 for the GT2 and 1:09:76 for the ZR1?
i ll add Luk Driving Center : GT2 1:04.82 ZR1 1:06.58
Anglesey:GT2 0:59.8 ZR1 0:59.9
you forgot to mention these huh so?
there is another track i mentioned before can't remember it right now but can find it np
Shifting gears like a rookie, thats why I dont like his reviews, because he cant drive a real macho car, the fact it has leaf springs doesnt make it slower in a straight line.I ve seen almost every review of z06 and the real racing drivers all liked corvette, saying it is proper weapon on the track but also proper fun
+kize32 You may or may not like his reviews, but there's no doubting his driving abilities ...including some great finishes at the Nurburgrig 24 hours. He's also driven a lot more macho cars than your Corvette, including a 1200 hp 9FF and oh, you know, a formula 1 car.
And he likes the corvette, nowhere does it say he doesn't, including this review. He even says it's the gas that might be bad; I'm sure if the Porsche was slower and he made that excuse, you'd be ridiculing him.
He may be able to drive some other cars, I dont care, this one he can't. And F1 car is really macho with all the clever electronics and traction control etc. It was macho 25 years ago with manual transmition and 1000 hp without the gadgets. Now it's a boring piece of shit
+kize32
I'm sure you can easily jump in a F1 car and drive it fast. Or just after 1 or 2 days training. When you're used to work with slick gearboxes it's not easy to suddenly work on a gearbox developed for a truck, like the one in this Corvette. Even the new Corvette Stingray has an auto that is developed for both trucks and the Corvette (the one Chevy says changes gears faster than Porsche PDK but feels just junk). And I guess for some other Chevy cars. You know, to save money. There is an actual reason some cars are more expensive.
You don't know how to drive a clutch, dude?
you know it's Chris Harris, right? Take your words back then..IDIOT...
He's not use to shifting with his opposite hand. His clutch and shifter inputs are not timed correctly. He just needs to get use to shifting with the other hand.
typical uk propaganda.
+gws108
I think the British would rather see the American win this than the German once again. They are fed up with German wins so it's not any propaganda against American cars. Specially from Chris Harris that likes US cars.
@Marc99GT as for price you are comparing a car with import fee taxs ect to a local product, mind you on neutral ground (aka outside north america) the ZR1 cost about 180k$ so got anything else to add?
what does he mean with beatin the syncros or something like that?
Corvette fans are HILARIOUS. Here is a typical conversation :
Vette fan: the Porsche is AWD so of course it is faster.
911 fan: Umm no the GT2 is RWD
Vette fan: well.. Umm. Tne 911 is ugly and is crap!!
911 fan: SMH. It will be ok bro. You're just mad
Vette fan (kicking and screaming hurling typically American racial insults about European crap etc
Racial insults? You daft mate? Americans are white. Europeans are White. You cannot be racist against your own race, not even when you are from a different ethnic group within said race...say English, German, Swedish, Norwegian etc. That said, the Corvette (the ZR-1 and the new Stingray) are great cars.
Racist = Believing your specific race (black, brown, white etc) to be superior to that of other races.
That is the definition, you cannot add your own or change the damn goalpost like the cultural Marxists, lefties, feminists, socialists and communists always do to include just about anything. Language does *not* work that way.
If it did we would not be able to communicate in the first place, this is why we have *set* definitions for words. If we didn't communication would break down, communication would not work because everyone would be using their own definitions and they would change by the minute.
But I digress.
funniest part is that 7.0 is more compact, lighter, and has triple the warranty the GT2 has.
the GT2 at this time was the top of the line porsche you could get (rs later) it was amazing performance for the time and cost nearly 3X the z06. in europe about 2X.
+Astralwurksdk
Wow nice speech. but really now dude haven't you ever seen complaints and stupid excuses by other car funs ???
Just take a look for the ferrari fun boys - GT-R fuboys and e.t.c
And i'm not american !!
And i have 2 cars as super favorites No-1 c7 z06 and No-2 by half clic below the Godzillas
Yet i'm not saying that other cars are shit like others :-)
The GT2 is RWD not AWD
997 around Nürburgring 7:31, the C6 Z06 7:22 (Z07 package, still 1/2 price of the 997).
Spend $5-6k on a HCI for the ZO6 and that 997 would be toast in the dig race. There is no mod under $20k for the 997 to gain significant HP.
The Z06 was cold. Not really a good excuse, but these transmissions won't shift fast until they're warmed up a bit. When you push them cold, 2nd gear is very stiff and will grind if forced.
@Marc99GT the standard GT2 stock with stock tires won't be able to do under 11s simply because all the GT models don't come with twin clutch pdk which save time they all use a proper manuel
@7magnavox it is 2010 it is been on sell for quite a while now and i think the turbo S is will be on sell in some days from now
There is a difference between springs and shock-absorbers.
The Porsche has normal coil springs while the Vette (yes that includes the Z06) has leaf springs. The Porsche has single sleeve gas pressurized shock absorbers while the Vette (again including the Z06) has those magnetorheological MagneRide shock-absorbers.
@InitialDAmine You realize that you are talking about 100ths of a second on a few of them? you didnt mention
Willow Springs Z06 - 1:32.06 GT2 1:33.7
what is the name of the song at start? please help!
@Marc99GT inside line test in one track.... for acceleration and 1/4... the ZR1 has been tested several times by them. while the turbo had only one chance....
what name of th song in the firtst ofthe video pleaaasssss
0 to 6 sec.
pleaaas
@Deviant9125 so why the vette fans compare ZR1 with GT2 when the difference is 90hp?
@TheArfdog what do you mean ? the Z06 got a more efficient engine than the GT2 ???????!
Did anyone see that Jag XK120 drive by in the background?!?!?
@InitialDAmine
search: 2009 ZR1 Bone-Stock on Stock Tires--10.74 133.21
I know it is not on drag radials because no company makes drag radials that rim size.
@Acadeelee the gt2 is also 6M/T.
not entirely sure why this was a question... the vette is fast as hell, but the GT2 has more power, torque, and weighs the same, has all the weight on the rear axle... and crucially the better gearbox.
@jarrus464 The Z06 has leaf springs just like the rest of the range. The only different is they are composite but they're still leaf springs. I was looking at them 3 weeks ago while my car was up on a lift while the wheels got painted.
@Patgta81 with drag racing tires so it doesn't make it stock at all.
but what does syncros mean?
C6 ZR1 vs 997 GT2 RS is a more fairer comparison
source ?
I heard that on Drive's review for the GT2
@ohai2u >----> leaf springs are simple build and provide all the necessary suspension to the rear of the car. No other setup is needed! That's why they Cheverolet still uses them on the Corvette!
@InitialDAmine Let me explain something to you. The ZR1 uses a TWIN DISC clutch setup for more durability and to handle the 600 ft-lbs of torque without slipping. It is a true manual with clutch pedal. It is not a Semi-Automatic wet Dual clutch transmission. I wish GM came out with that because all of the cars would be much faster with lightning quick shifts.
Have you ever wondered why the UK folks always run these "XYZ German/Italian Car vs Corvettes" set ups
when it's cold, windy and "a slight uphill incline" or something similar. Yea, now that's a fair set up. You put some sticky cup tires on the Z06 and line it up on a flat to start 10 mph roll out on a "professional" road course on a warm 80 degree day and see what happens. The GT2 would be lucky to stay on the same lap as the Z06. Anyone who knows anything about race cars would concur.
Euro bias as usual, he shifted the Corvette like a grandma and the Porsche like a drag racer! Euro testers always seem to cheat. Kind of pathetic.
Agree, they can't even help it
@nicknickk no you'll understand the difference when you'll see the race between the GT2 vs ZR1 (which autocar did it ) 530hp vs 638hp just search for the video
your camera guy is kind of iffy. I would have gone with a few gopro's and maybe zoom h4n for audio and you would have had a nice production.
Was the tester for the corvette taking naps between shifts? He probably added at least a extra half second to his time.
The Porsche is probably also safer, even though its known for snap oversteer. The Corvettes are completely mad with traction control off, you need to muster every bit of concentration possible and have very quick reactions to control a Corvette on the limit but it is pretty rewarding.
I agree. I would rather have a Z06 as well because the power you can make with a 427 will never be matched by a 4 cylinder, 6 or small 8 especially on 93 octane. A Z06 has already run 8s on 93 octane.
Enough with the 'leaf springs are crude' BS. Those transverse composite springs are very light, package well, and reduce un-sprung weight. The rest of the suspension is all-aluminum, with double wishbones at the front and multi-link at the rear. There is nothing crude about it. The leaf spring's only downside is limited ride-height adjustability, which is no downside at all for the vast majority of owners. For the rest, there are solutions available.
The Corvette and the Porsche 911 are quite a pair, if you think about it. Both have been in continuous production for going-on half a century now. Both still hold strong traditions from the original model, including rear-engine for the Porsche, and the fiberglass body for the Corvette. Both have been described as the penultimate sports car of their respective countries. Both have heaps of racing pedigree, and of course, both are absolutely fast as hell.
... But nothing launches like a 911.
Supercharging the LS7 would have killed the competition without a problem, but I believe the walls were too thin on the 427. Some people have successfully done this, but it didn't offer GM the reliability they were looking for to cover the 5 yr/100K mile warranty.
Lingenfelter has already gone 10.03 @ almost 142 mph with the zr1 and minor upgrades. It made 739 rwhp so there is alot left on the table with the stock ZR1.
Video - watch?v=rBjZOtTfnHA
I have a ZO6, do you wanna race? What cheap Xsss
car do you have?
@destin325 i dont think it was a 5 mile track though. the skid and slalom was pretty much no contest for the vette. just the 1/4 mile was close really which is understandable. i dont really think it was a smoking either but it was pretty damn close lol. 2 secs per lap is a big diff.
Zr1 vs GT2 isn't fair either , 6.2l supercharged vs 3.6l turbo isn't fair in any racing regulations. smaller specialized companies need larger profits per car in order to survive, larger car companies move higher volumes and don't need such profits per unit. then you add the car's prestige and exclusivity. let's face it , no matter how fast a Corvette is, no one will pay a Porsche or Ferrari price on it.
@Camaromandave98 i think it has to do with the fact that it was a bit wet and the vette is rwd
For those of you hating on the Z06 Driver saying he cannot drive i suggest you look into 2 things, 1 his current job as a car journalist vs yours and 2 watch the other videos of him he knows what hes doing hes a pretty good driver you're just going to have to accept that porsches are one of the worlds finest cars and that a corvette wont match up to them, oh and don't mention the ZR1 for god sake.
is'nt the corvette's clutch and gearbox supposed to be very heavy
@babroncos11 How else would he have shifted? Push clutch in, move hand. Not that hard. It's the car, you can't shift that fast on a Z06, I've tried.
Z06 for me. No matter how much money in the bank
@Marc99GT the ZR1 is capable of mid 10s that i agree with as a stock, but with drag radials not with stock tires.sure the Turbo is a 4wd but i remind you about 150hp less than the ZR1 and weight hundreds of lbs more that the ZR1 the diffrence is quite big and yet with the help of it double clutch gear box and extra traction it pulls better times than the ZR1
As for the GT2 check my last post i clearly said a stock GT2 with stock won't be able to do under an 11s but can get so close to it
Many times it is maintenance, without regular oil changes, filter replacements, etc., any car will soon become unreliable. In fact a couple of years ago I bought a used '02 Honda Accord and the previous owner hadn't taken care of it correctly, so I had to replace the engine over Christmas. I agree that if people didn't screw around with their cars so much they would last a lot longer.
I'm sort of baffled by your response. The GT2's torque is not "leagues beyond" the Corvette's; it has 70ft/lbs less, and the turbos insure that it's not going to be as well distributed as the NA engine's. As much as I love him, I think Harris was probably right when he implied that he was just having an off-day. The GT2 would still win, probably, but not by nearly as much as this video suggests.
@rollick3434 read the date, they ve made the test before the ZR1 was out, and once it came out they repeated the same test just search on the videos
I'm sorry but I have a c6 z06... and I have never had a problem shifting to second ...
@3XICS now on thwe viedo your talking about they got the new gt2 2010 i think
Thank GM because all of the 2010 Manual Corvettes have launch control. I can't wait to see the new numbers for the Z06 and ZR1. Hell, the base Corvette is now down to 3.9-4.0 which is really quick.
Looks like a cool day.. great for boost.. sucks for Vette because it is fast but outclassed in this weather and or altitude
@InitialDAmine You used Top Gear is a Reference which is fine. Did you see the Motortrend comparison? Straight from Motortrend:
The GT2 trips the lights in just 11.4 sec at 127.9 mph, the 599 in 11.3 sec at 126.4 mph, and the mighty ZR1 in a blazing 11.2 sec at 130.5 mph. Translated from numbers into English: The ZR1 simply spanks the pricey European bluebloods.
Not my words.
@freezazoid dont forget the vette uses runflat tires, with normal sport tires it will do alot better driving it around a track and it did a 1.22.4 on the Top Gear track which is faster than the zonda, f430 and murcielago for example
what is a zed o 6?
I'm American, a big fan of Porsche, but c'mon. Do you think anyone really expects a Zo6 to beat a GT2 in a competition? The fact that its close enough to warrant a competition, at half the price, is saying quite enough about the Vette in my opinion.
The victory of the GT2 is hardly surprising vs. Z06, given the higher power (530 vs. 505), the superior traction due to the weight distro (RR vs. FR), and the flatter power band since it's a turbo vs. the normally-aspirated Z06. This is all perfectly fine, but what I cannot STAND is when journalists lament the "leaf" spring in the 'Vettes. The Vette has a high-tech COMPOSITE TRANSVERSE LEAF SPRING at the back, not the ELLIPTIC leaf springs found in trucks or "lorries"!!!!
@ePauloX I just sold my 09 M3 and am now driving a Z06. You should try one before you know it. There's no comparison in quality but I think of it as a North American TVR. If you have some skill and keep concentrating it's excellent fun. Don't knock the car because of some moron. The front end is Carbon Fiber unlike the std Corvette so it's not all plastic :)
The Chassis is nicely balanced but like I say you need to be on top of it. The acceleration is a buzz. My M3 was a better car all round tho
Hi, mate. Currently in the same position - I have an E92 M3 and am looking at a Z06. Any more thoughts 11 years on..?