I'm sure Dan Dierdorf was very sad here too, after all this was HIS team for 13 Hall of Fame years. Forgot that DD did the sports here. Love that guy, did broadcasting on all levels after his HOF playing career for 30 years. But he never got rich playing for that miserable spendthrift Bidwill. Best OFFENSIVE TACKLE ST. Louis ever saw, until Orlando Pace came to town
Arizona Cardinals has had some good years and helped market football in the Arizona region..Sun Devil Stadium hosted the annual Fiesta Bowl and finally got to host Super Bowl for 1995 season..UofP/State Farm Stadium was built in 2006 and has hosted multiple college football championship games and two Super Bowls..🏟🏈🏜The upcoming Super Bowl in Feb. 2023 will be held in Arizona..
Who was the runner up city for the Cardinals? Baltimore, MD. The Bidwells chose Phoenix because the weather was warmer. Would have gotten a stadium sooner in Charm City.
rockvilleraven - Your name leads me to believe you're a Marylander such as I. Do you remember seeing Cardinals shirts being sold in the Baltimore area at the time? I can't seem to find anyone else who does. I know I'm not crazy. lol. Well I am but that's irrelevant.
Some other Ravens fans reported Baltimore Cardinals shirts, back then. Essentially Art Modell moved here to avoid bankruptcy in Cleveland. John Moag who was then head of the Maryland Stadium Authority, had other offers of teams moving, the Bucs, Cardinals (again) and the Raiders who were rumored in coming to Charm City had Art didn't. Moag decided to go with Modell and the original Browns, because he felt the organization had the best chance of success here. I was rooting for the Stallions at the time and got on board after the out of court settlement that left the name, colors and history in Cleveland freeing the team from the one year left on the lease there. I'd rather have the deal where the team was rechristen the Ravens, which were a hybird expansion team, with the old players but a reboot with the new nickname and colors. Sorry If I give both angles, but that's just me.
worked out much better for Baltimore, as Bidwill has been one of the worst owners in NFL history; Balt Ravens have already won 2 SBs and made playoffs more than half of the time they have been here
I also remember those "Baltimore Cardinals" shirts being sold in late 1987. I was born and raised in Baltimore (Greektown) and I had a friend who had one of those shirts. I was probably the only St. Louis Cardinals fan in Baltimore, if not on the East Coast back in those days. I still remember the last game of the 1987 season against Dallas. I watched it at Looney's Pub in Canton (before Canton became yuppified) and if the Cards would of beaten a washed up Dallas team, they would have gotten the last NFC wildcard that year, instead of Minnesota. I remember praying that Baltimore would get the Cardinals back in 1988 because I was a Cards, an Eagles, and just football fanatic in general back then. Imagine Lomax, Cunningham, R. White, L.T., Singletary, and all of the other NFL legends during that time right in your own back yard. Although we got the Browns (Ravens) in 96, I never did embrace that team til this day.
Jacksonville was the runner-up for the Cardinals back in '88; but Phoenix offered more incentive. Jacksonville was granted a franchise in 1993 to begin play in 1995.
St. Louis is not a football town, and it never has been. As long as they've got the Blues and the baseball Cardinals, they'll be just fine. Try and take one of those teams away, and St. Louis would go up in smoke.
St Louis will never host a football team for long, because the NFL doesn't look fondly on this region. The Cardinals and Rams prove the NFL wants big markets.
Yes I also loved the Cardinals going back into the 60's with Charley Johnson, Sonny Randall John David crow Larry Wilson many big names hall of famers why one year the cardinal offensive lineadebip the pro bowl Bob young Conrad dobler, Dan dierdorff, center tom banks and Roger finny. Great offense but no defense they had to outscore them. They weren't bthe cardiac Cardinals for nothing.yes there gone now from St .Loui s hard to believe they now have been in Arizona longer than they wasbin dt.louis.before coming from Chicago.but the Cardinals do have one NFL championship against the Philadelphia eagles when they were in Chicago. And would of won there first super bowl If only Kurt Warner would of came along sooner. Gone but never forgotten.there will always be a special place iny ❤️ for then ST lOUIS Cardinals!!!
The expansion of 1994 was supposed to be a new city, which Charlotte was and an old one, either Baltimore (Bombers) or St. Louis Stallions. Carolina obviously got it because, the league did business with Bank of America which had headquarters there. Jacksonville pulled out and then came back and got the second team. Baltimore had 3 different ownership groups for the Bombers and two got NFL teams located somewhere else. The Glazier family purchased the Buccaneers and got a new stadium there. Al Learner became the owner of the expansion Cleveland Browns. The odd man out was Leonard "Boogie" Weinglass of the Merry Go Round Clothing store chain. Who was blackballed by the league because he had a pony tail and didn't dress in 3 piece suit.
Bill Bidwill vetoed the team being named the Arizona Cardinals when it first moved from St. Louis. That's why the team was the Phoenix Cardinals from 1988-93. Bidwill again did not want to change the name to Arizona in 1994, but his son overruled him and the name was changed.
They should have been called Arizona Cardinals from the beginning since they were in Tempe, not Phoenix. And the new stadium is in Glendale, so from a marketing strategy, Michael Bidwill is right.
@@mr.intensity2685 It is all the Phoenix metro area. Lots of teams do not play in the city proper that they are branded. But add me in I never knew that about the branding. I always thought Arizona sounded better and thought they went with the flow of other teams branding over larger areas.
When the Cardinals moved to Phoenix (Tempe)...they played at ASU (college stadium) that head metal bleachers. Every game was hot. The Bidsell's team had the highest average ticket prices in the NFL in 1988 for a team that never did anything. This quickly made Phoenix fans annoyed with Bidwell. In the coming years after 1988 Bidwell never got good talent to come. The fans grew tired of his act and decided to build a baseball only stadium in downtown Phoenix for the Diamondbacks. In 2006 the Bidwells finally got their new stadium but right up before that Cardinals were trying to move to LA....but LA didn't want them.
With the Senior Bill Bidwell now recently handing over day-day control to his sons, hopefully the family stays permanently in Arizona. Arizona being in the southwest is a football hotbed and if they have a good team the Redbirds will always be the #1 team in that part of the country. The Phoenix area (along with Indy) should have just gotten expansion teams in the mid/late '80's. The greedy NFL owners waited way too long before giving new expansion teams in '95 to Jacksonville(terrible pick) and Carolina(excellent pick). By 1990 the NFL could have expanded to the current 32 teams it now has in 2017. Instead they played the game of musical chairs of club relocation for the last 30 years or so. I doubt it happen but nothing against Jacksonville but the Jaguars ideally should move to say either St Louis or San Diego and not maybe London as their current owner Mr. Khan is thinking about.
If you follow the lines from the corners of Dan Dierdorf's mouth up and imagine them meeting in the middle of his nose, they would actually make a perfect Gateway Arch.
Being an old St. Louis Cardinal fan, it would of been soooo freaking awesome if the Cards would have beaten the Cowgirls in the last game of the 1987 season and snuck into the NFC playoffs as the last wildcard. The might of beaten an overrated Saints team but I severely doubt if they would of beaten the 49ers (like the Vikings did) especially at Candlestick. Alas, they choked as usual but nonetheless they were on my favorite teams from the mid eighties to early 2000's. BTW, the Bidwells will always "SUCK THE BIG ONE"..
But they didn't and Herschel tore through that crap Cardinal defense. I remember Lomax being butthurt after the game and bitching about how old and bad the Cowboys defensive line was. To be fair he wasn't wrong, but it was still hilarious to listen to.
And if the Cardinals hadn't tied the 2-11-1 Pittsburgh Steelers, at St. Louis, in 1968, they would've won the NFL Century Division that year. St. Louis finished 9-4-1 to the Cleveland browns' 10-4-0, but St. Louis swept Cleveland that year. Charley Winner is still haunted by it.
Im from Baltimore and when this went down, I was saying the St.Louis and Missouri brass as usual, waited way late, and did so just to say "we tried". Of course since then, the Rams have come and gone, and the egg is still on the "suits" of Missouri faces. I said, when I saw that dome stadium, I looked at my friend in 1999 that the Rams weren't going to be there long. That stadium was outdated when it was built, and basically waisted goid tax payer money and public bonds. Its a shame, but if you want to be a NFL city, you had better have "foresight" to be ahead of the curve and see the trends before you stick one shovel in that dirt. If your city doesn't research the numbers according to and with other NFL cities first. Properly analyze the intrest, income status, and the ability of that fanbase to support the team. Then build a real state of the art, multipurpose, high tech, and architectural wonder of a stadium. Hope the team wins or is at least competitive to keep the intrest going. Don't do those things, and guess what? Your team could roll out on you after 20 or so years just like the Cards and Rams. St.Louis will probably never have NFL football again, but then again, 3 times might be the magic number.
Spryfol II now its retractable roof stadiums now and if it wasn’t for Georgia F. threatening to sue the NFL the rams never would have moved. However Anaheim stadium was very bad for football and she wanted a new stadium in LA but the government in southern California didn’t get along with her. St. Louis was her home and they got her a deal in Missouri she couldn’t refuse.
The Dome was perfectly fine. "Outdated"? There was nothing wrong with it! Cryin' out loud, Fenway Park is 117 years old, and the Red Sox think it will last another 41 years! The Rams had a clause in their lease, stating that the Dome had to be #1 in "fan amenities." This was completely subjective. The Dome was certainly better than Busch Stadium.
The problem with St Louis is everyone wanted a piece of the pie and overly complicated city government structure. See St Louis is one of very few Metro Areas that is NOT part of any County. St Louis County is a totally separate suburb of St Louis City. Each has its own government meaning St Louis has a mayor and St Louis County has a County Executive (equivalent of mayor). So when it always comes to getting anything done that needs cooperation between city and county...yeah right.
I'm from Saint Louis we will never I repeat ever get a football team again I don't care what anyone says. Our best shot would be to get the Jaguars to relocate to Saint Louis.
Enisei I doubt people from cleveland want their team to leave again. Last time they tried it, it didnt go too smoothly. No, the best chance st louis has of getting another football team is via expansion
Nah the Cardinals should move to San Antonio and rebrand completely even leave the history in Arizona, while the Jaguars go to Arizona to replace the Cardinals, the name makes more sense and it's cooler Plus I don't have to dislike a team in Phoenix
Wow. A then Kid Gary Apple who later would have a long career as a NYC local sports anchor for WCBS-TV and later SNY aka the NY Mets owned cable channel.
They went from chicago to st louis now arizona.i moved to Arizona 4 years ago .i live by Glendale.its cool having a nfl team. Go cardinals. St louis. Now lost 2 nfl teams the cardinals and rams.i hate that cities lose teams it hurts people. We love are teams.now the Raiders are going to las Vegas.when will it end?
@@crazeyjoe stop that myth about St Louis not being a foot ball town. What the fck is a football town anyway? Is Jacksonville a football town? What makes New Orleans a football town? Just because we have a baseball team that's been there over 100 years doesn't mean it's a baseball town. The fcking Blues will tell you St Louis loves hockey. Shit when the Rams were actually competitive that dome was always sold out. Always. And one of the loudest in the league. Go back and look at the greatest show on turf. Those last few years fans gave up because they knew if the league approved it, no way was Kroenke not moving...no matter what.
@@ChillydontCap The Rams were stolen from LA by some bitch who has thankfully kicked the bucket. Stan did the right thing and moved the Rams back to their rightful home.
Dierdorf really had the whole studio news thing down. I wish there was half this class and silky smooth delivery today. Both in sports and real news. It's like everyone's trying too hard to be a character.
Black dude in the background of the Bidwill news conference looks like he time traveled from 2021 just to see this interview. I swear I saw that dude at 7-11 just 1 hour ago lol.
The Cardinals never should have left St. Louis. St. Louis ended up "borrowing" the Rams from 1995-2015, but I never felt the Rams were really a part of St. Louis. The Cardinals were a part of St. Louis.
The whole NFC East did it during parts of the 80s. The Redskins wore white all the time at home throughout the 80s. In the early 80s the Giants and Cardinals wore white against the Cowboys and when Buddy Ryan coached the Eagles they would wear white against the Cowboys
They won't win one in Arizona. Since moving there, the Cardinals are a disgraceful 191-272. That's a pathetic .412 winning percentage. Compare that to their winning percentage of .479 in St. Louis. It isn't even close.
Bill Bidwell is still alive. He saw them win the NFL Championship as the Chicago Cardinals in 1947. Of course, at his age, if the Cards are gonna win a SB in his lifetime, they'd better hurry up.
Used to enjoy visiting the Cardinals’ training camp at Eastern IL Univ a few times on the way home from visiting relatives in southern IL Really miss them in St. Louis. The Rams never belonged.
yikes!!! and once again, the City of St.Louis has lost its football team.....yesterday, the NFL announced that the Rams will be moving back to Los Angeles for the 2016 season...maybe the Jaguars or Raiders could switch to Saint Lou
Jaguars or Raiders? Uhm, no. The only team that would be truly supported by St. Louis are the Cardinals. Back then, it was a different time period and people weren't as interested in the NFL. If the Cards moved back to St. Louis today, they'd be in the top 5 every year for attendance easily.
@@alexdelagrange2140 ...IF they build a competitive team! Bill Bidwell complained that Busch Stadium was too small: it seated just over 50,000. But he had no right to complain, since he never built a team good enough to have a home playoff game, anyway.
The NFL should have used this opportunity to realign their divisions in 1988 as follows: AFC East: Buffalo, Miami, New England, NY Jets, Pittsburgh AFC Central: Cincinnati, Cleveland, Houston, Indianapolis, Kansas City AFC West: Denver, LA Raiders, San Diego, Seattle NFC East: Atlanta, NY Giants, Philadelphia, Tampa Bay, Washington NFC Central: Chicago, Detroit, Green Bay, Minnesota, New Orleans NFC West: Dallas, LA Rams, Phoenix, San Francisco
Features of this alignment would have included: Dan Marino playing a home-and-home with his hometown team, the Steelers Two 49ers-Cowboys games a year, which would have increased the chances that Frank and Al and Dan got to call a game in this rivalry. Tampa Bay having home games against three Northeastern teams a year, given the amount of NE transplants in the area the games might have been highly-attended, if not sellouts - the Bucs didn't sell out much then.
Basing the 1987 standings on this proposed alignment, here's what the non-division games would have been in 1988: AFC Central VS. AFC East (non-fifth place): Buffalo at Cincinnati Cleveland at Miami Houston at Buffalo Indianapolis at New England Cincinnati at Pittsburgh Miami at Houston New England at Cleveland Pittsburgh at Indianapolis AFC Central VS. AFC West (non-fifth place): Cleveland at Denver Denver at Houston Houston at San Diego Indianapolis at Seattle Cincinnati at LA Raiders LA Raiders at Indianapolis San Diego at Cincinnati Seattle at Cleveland AFC East VS. AFC West (non-fifth place): Buffalo at Seattle Denver at New England LA Raiders at Buffalo Miami at LA Raiders New England at San Diego Pittsburgh at Denver San Diego at Miami Seattle at Pittsburgh AFC Central VS. AFC West (fifth place): Kansas City at San Diego Kansas City at Seattle Denver at Kansas City LA Raiders at Kansas City AFC East VS. AFC West (fifth place): NY Jets at Denver NY Jets at LA Raiders San Diego at NY Jets Seattle at NY Jets NFC Central VS. NFC East (non-fifth place): Chicago at Philadelphia Minnesota at NY Giants New Orleans at Washington NY Giants at Green Bay Philadelphia at New Orleans Tampa Bay at Chicago Tampa Bay at Green Bay Washington at Minnesota NFC Central VS. NFC West (non-fifth place): Chicago at San Francisco Dallas at Minnesota Green Bay at LA Rams Green Bay at Phoenix Minnesota at LA Rams New Orleans at Dallas Phoenix at Chicago San Francisco at New Orleans NFC East VS. NFC West (non-fifth place): Dallas at Tampa Bay LA Rams at Philadelphia LA Rams at Tampa Bay NY Giants at Dallas Philadelphia at Phoenix Phoenix at Washington San Francisco at NY Giants Washington at San Francisco NFC Central VS. NFC West (fifth place): Detroit at Dallas Detroit at San Francisco LA Rams at Detroit Phoenix at Detroit NFC East VS. NFC West (fifth place): Atlanta at LA Rams Atlanta at Phoenix Dallas at Atlanta San Francisco at Atlanta Intraconference fifth place home-and-homes: Atlanta VS. Detroit Kansas City VS. NY Jets AFC Central VS. NFC East (non-fifth place): Cleveland at NY Giants Cleveland at Washington Houston at NY Giants Houston at Washington Indianapolis at Philadelphia Indianapolis at Tampa Bay Cincinnati at Philadelphia Cincinnati at Tampa Bay NY Giants at Indianapolis NY Giants at Cincinnati Philadelphia at Cleveland Philadelphia at Houston Tampa Bay at Cleveland Tampa Bay at Houston Washington at Indianapolis Washington at Cincinnati AFC East VS. NFC Central (non-fifth place): Buffalo at Green Bay Buffalo at New Orleans Chicago at Buffalo Chicago at Miami Green Bay at New England Green Bay at Pittsburgh Miami at Green Bay Miami at New Orleans Minnesota at Buffalo Minnesota at Miami New England at Chicago New England at Minnesota New Orleans at New England New Orleans at Pittsburgh Pittsburgh at Chicago Pittsburgh at Minnesota AFC West VS. NFC West: Dallas at Denver Dallas at LA Raiders Denver at Phoenix Denver at San Francisco LA Raiders at Phoenix LA Raiders at San Francisco LA Rams at Denver LA Rams at LA Raiders Phoenix at San Diego Phoenix at Seattle San Diego at Dallas San Diego at LA Rams San Francisco at San Diego San Francisco at Seattle Seattle at Dallas Seattle at LA Rams Interconference fifth place: Atlanta at NY Jets Kansas City at Atlanta Detroit at Kansas City NY Jets at Detroit
@@michaelleroy9281 The Cowboys weren't owned by him when the Cardinals moved to Arizona, he would have taken over right after the Cowboys' first season in the NFC West had this realignment happened
This was a much different move than the Rams. The Cardinals shared a stadium,which was owned by the brewery, with the baseball Cardinals. In addition, the Rams had much better attendance than the Cardinals ever did. St. Louis supported the Rams and did everything possible to keep the team, in the end greed won out. The NFL didn't even follow their own rules. It was a total sellout to the dollars of Stan Kronkie, who ironically inherited most of his fortune.
Yup and still is CBS St Louis station. (as of Sept. 2017) PS I did not know Dan Dierdorf was the sports anchor at KMOV at that time. I guess Dan had 2 separate deals in which he worked full time at KMOV and also did the "Monday Night Football" games with Al Micheals and Frank Gifford during that time as well during the NFL season. Similar to how in recent years Micheal Strahan is a co-host on "Good Morning America" for ABC during the week and co-host/lead studio analyst for FOX Sunday Morning's pre-game show during the NFL season. Showed how good Monday Night Football broadcast crew of the late '80's and early '90's of Micheals, Gifford and Dierdorf were. All 3 were all play-play announcers at one point as well. Gifford was the lead MNF announcer in the late '70's and early '80s before Micheals, and Dierdorf did play-play for college football and boxing matches as well.
Dierdorf started at KMOX radio... Channel 4 was also KMOX-TV until 1986 changing the X to V for VIDEO, or also Viacom, which was the owner of the station then. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/KMOV
@@americangiant1003 Dierdorf was on the field for the WORST... ABSOLUTE WORST Monday Night Football game in history, October 24, 1983...a 20-20 tie vs. the N.Y. Giants, but Dierdorf was injured most of the season and didn't play in the game, and has joked about it saying, "Don't blame me..." 🤣
kozmobillions I'm not glad, I'm a Seahawks fan and I understand how they feel having no team for a sport, you all in la have the chargers and rams, guess what we got for basketball in seattle, nothing! It's messed up the rams should have never came back you all have to many teams in California anyways, it should be one team per State anyways
@@rspister meanwhile, LA did absolutely nothing to get the Rams back. Kroenke built his own stadium there. Same stuff he could've done here, but chose not to.
The NFL should require rebranding when teams move.
I'm a Redskins fan, especially for the Titans. The Texans should be allowed to change the name to the Oilers.
@@w41duvernay i agree with that. bring back big blue
True I think all sports should do that.
Nope. They pay a lot of money for the team, they own the history
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I am still sad Cardinals left St. Louis. They were the team to watch around Christmas time. I am also still sad Colts left Baltimore.
As an old St. Louis Cardinals fan, I agree.
Absolutely, Especially the Colts, They should still be in Baltimore.
I on the other hand wish Mike Brown had carried through with his threat to take the Bengals out of Cincinnati back in the 90s.
Rip Boston Redskins lmao
@@JayDogTitan The irony of that is Baltimore was the runner up city for the Cardinals, but the Bidwells wanted to move to someplace warm.
I'm sure Dan Dierdorf was very sad here too, after all this was HIS team for 13 Hall of Fame years.
Forgot that DD did the sports here. Love that guy, did broadcasting on all levels after his HOF playing career for 30 years. But he never got rich playing for that miserable spendthrift Bidwill. Best OFFENSIVE TACKLE ST. Louis ever saw, until Orlando Pace came to town
I hold Dierdorf in high regard because he was part of the first era of MNF I was exposed to.
I didn't know Dierdorf started off as a local sportscaster. I also didn't know he looked just like Webster's dad when he was younger.
Don’t know a lot of things
Alex Karras also an NFL Hall of Famer.
Arizona Cardinals has had some good years and helped market football in the Arizona region..Sun Devil Stadium hosted the annual Fiesta Bowl and finally got to host Super Bowl for 1995 season..UofP/State Farm Stadium was built in 2006 and has hosted multiple college football championship games and two Super Bowls..🏟🏈🏜The upcoming Super Bowl in Feb. 2023 will be held in Arizona..
Who was the runner up city for the Cardinals? Baltimore, MD. The Bidwells chose Phoenix because the weather was warmer. Would have gotten a stadium sooner in Charm City.
rockvilleraven - Your name leads me to believe you're a Marylander such as I. Do you remember seeing Cardinals shirts being sold in the Baltimore area at the time? I can't seem to find anyone else who does. I know I'm not crazy. lol. Well I am but that's irrelevant.
Some other Ravens fans reported Baltimore Cardinals shirts, back then. Essentially Art Modell moved here to avoid bankruptcy in Cleveland. John Moag who was then head of the Maryland Stadium Authority, had other offers of teams moving, the Bucs, Cardinals (again) and the Raiders who were rumored in coming to Charm City had Art didn't. Moag decided to go with Modell and the original Browns, because he felt the organization had the best chance of success here. I was rooting for the Stallions at the time and got on board after the out of court settlement that left the name, colors and history in Cleveland freeing the team from the one year left on the lease there. I'd rather have the deal where the team was rechristen the Ravens, which were a hybird expansion team, with the old players but a reboot with the new nickname and colors.
Sorry If I give both angles, but that's just me.
worked out much better for Baltimore, as Bidwill has been one of the worst owners in NFL history; Balt Ravens have already won 2 SBs and made playoffs more than half of the time they have been here
I also remember those "Baltimore Cardinals" shirts being sold in late 1987. I was born and raised in Baltimore (Greektown) and I had a friend who had one of those shirts. I was probably the only St. Louis Cardinals fan in Baltimore, if not on the East Coast back in those days. I still remember the last game of the 1987 season against Dallas. I watched it at Looney's Pub in Canton (before Canton became yuppified) and if the Cards would of beaten a washed up Dallas team, they would have gotten the last NFC wildcard that year, instead of Minnesota. I remember praying that Baltimore would get the Cardinals back in 1988 because I was a Cards, an Eagles, and just football fanatic in general back then. Imagine Lomax, Cunningham, R. White, L.T., Singletary, and all of the other NFL legends during that time right in your own back yard. Although we got the Browns (Ravens) in 96, I never did embrace that team til this day.
Jacksonville was the runner-up for the Cardinals back in '88; but Phoenix offered more incentive. Jacksonville was granted a franchise in 1993 to begin play in 1995.
bring them back to St. Louis!
Kyle Reese not happening
Not in 100 yrs.
Rather odd to compare the reaction from St. Louis to that of Baltimore..circumstances different..but seemingly no outrage..?
St. Louis is not a football town, and it never has been. As long as they've got the Blues and the baseball Cardinals, they'll be just fine. Try and take one of those teams away, and St. Louis would go up in smoke.
St Louis is a football town. Gtfoh with that baseball,hockey bullshit. We love all our teams.
1999-2006 tells a different story.
St Louis will never host a football team for long, because the NFL doesn't look fondly on this region. The Cardinals and Rams prove the NFL wants big markets.
St.Louis Cardinals were a grideron football and baseball team at the same time lol
Just like the ny giants lol
The cardinals started in chicago
Ravens started in Cleveland 😂
They upgraded in St. Louis
@@metalmanalishi that's irrelevant.
@@geebee6010They're the best team to come out of that town.
From the Midwest to the West Coast what a move..
Growing up in the 1970s I used to love watching the St. Louis Cardinals.
Baseball and football
Yes I also loved the Cardinals going back into the 60's with Charley Johnson, Sonny Randall John David crow Larry Wilson many big names hall of famers why one year the cardinal offensive lineadebip the pro bowl Bob young Conrad dobler, Dan dierdorff, center tom banks and Roger finny. Great offense but no defense they had to outscore them. They weren't bthe cardiac Cardinals for nothing.yes there gone now from St .Loui s hard to believe they now have been in Arizona longer than they wasbin dt.louis.before coming from Chicago.but the Cardinals do have one NFL championship against the Philadelphia eagles when they were in Chicago. And would of won there first super bowl
If only Kurt Warner would of came along sooner. Gone but never forgotten.there will always be a special place iny ❤️ for then ST
lOUIS Cardinals!!!
@@slivereaglexx353 when they weren't blacked out. Back when blackouts happened.
Update to this story is that Bidwells funded STL charities and programs after Rams abandoned them when they moved to LA
And he also voted against Rams moving.
St. Louis should of opted for an expansion team rather than making a deal with the lady that stole the Rams from Los Angeles.
They did but lost the St Louis Stallions.
The expansion of 1994 was supposed to be a new city, which Charlotte was and an old one, either Baltimore (Bombers) or St. Louis Stallions. Carolina obviously got it because, the league did business with Bank of America which had headquarters there. Jacksonville pulled out and then came back and got the second team.
Baltimore had 3 different ownership groups for the Bombers and two got NFL teams located somewhere else. The Glazier family purchased the Buccaneers and got a new stadium there. Al Learner became the owner of the expansion Cleveland Browns. The odd man out was Leonard "Boogie" Weinglass of the Merry Go Round Clothing store chain. Who was blackballed by the league because he had a pony tail and didn't dress in 3 piece suit.
Jacksonville and Cleveland didn’t deserve any expansion teams.
If it weren't for Robert Kraft you guys would have gotten the Patriots in the early '90s!
M249SAWzALL Hartford CT almost got the Patriots
Bill Bidwill vetoed the team being named the Arizona Cardinals when it first moved from St. Louis. That's why the team was the Phoenix Cardinals from 1988-93. Bidwill again did not want to change the name to Arizona in 1994, but his son overruled him and the name was changed.
Interesting, I always wondered bout that.
They should have been called Arizona Cardinals from the beginning since they were in Tempe, not Phoenix. And the new stadium is in Glendale, so from a marketing strategy, Michael Bidwill is right.
@@mr.intensity2685 It is all the Phoenix metro area. Lots of teams do not play in the city proper that they are branded. But add me in I never knew that about the branding. I always thought Arizona sounded better and thought they went with the flow of other teams branding over larger areas.
@@realazduffman me too lol.. Arizona sound better i agree 💯
@@realazduffman I'll play. Cowboys, Redskins, Giants, 49ers, Rams, Dolphins, Jets, Bills, Chargers.
When the Cardinals moved to Phoenix (Tempe)...they played at ASU (college stadium) that head metal bleachers. Every game was hot. The Bidsell's team had the highest average ticket prices in the NFL in 1988 for a team that never did anything. This quickly made Phoenix fans annoyed with Bidwell. In the coming years after 1988 Bidwell never got good talent to come. The fans grew tired of his act and decided to build a baseball only stadium in downtown Phoenix for the Diamondbacks. In 2006 the Bidwells finally got their new stadium but right up before that Cardinals were trying to move to LA....but LA didn't want them.
With the Senior Bill Bidwell now recently handing over day-day control to his sons, hopefully the family stays permanently in Arizona. Arizona being in the southwest is a football hotbed and if they have a good team the Redbirds will always be the #1 team in that part of the country. The Phoenix area (along with Indy) should have just gotten expansion teams in the mid/late '80's. The greedy NFL owners waited way too long before giving new expansion teams in '95 to Jacksonville(terrible pick) and Carolina(excellent pick). By 1990 the NFL could have expanded to the current 32 teams it now has in 2017. Instead they played the game of musical chairs of club relocation for the last 30 years or so.
I doubt it happen but nothing against Jacksonville but the Jaguars ideally should move to say either St Louis or San Diego and not maybe London as their current owner Mr. Khan is thinking about.
Trying to move to Los Angeles?? Who told you that??
Joe Anderson that was the thing with other teams before the rams moved back to LA teams would say they want to move to LA to get stadium deals.
Do you have a news section on the Cardinals moving to LA? I need to read that
lol los angeles cardinals lol
If you follow the lines from the corners of Dan Dierdorf's mouth up and imagine them meeting in the middle of his nose, they would actually make a perfect Gateway Arch.
I was totally thinking that!
I was thinking the same thing. That's funny!
Being an old St. Louis Cardinal fan, it would of been soooo freaking awesome if the Cards would have beaten the Cowgirls in the last game of the 1987 season and snuck into the NFC playoffs as the last wildcard. The might of beaten an overrated Saints team but I severely doubt if they would of beaten the 49ers (like the Vikings did) especially at Candlestick. Alas, they choked as usual but nonetheless they were on my favorite teams from the mid eighties to early 2000's. BTW, the Bidwells will always "SUCK THE BIG ONE"..
But they didn't and Herschel tore through that crap Cardinal defense. I remember Lomax being butthurt after the game and bitching about how old and bad the Cowboys defensive line was. To be fair he wasn't wrong, but it was still hilarious to listen to.
And if the Cardinals hadn't tied the 2-11-1 Pittsburgh Steelers, at St. Louis, in 1968, they would've won the NFL Century Division that year. St. Louis finished 9-4-1 to the Cleveland browns' 10-4-0, but St. Louis swept Cleveland that year. Charley Winner is still haunted by it.
Im from Baltimore and when this went down, I was saying the St.Louis and Missouri brass as usual, waited way late, and did so just to say "we tried". Of course since then, the Rams have come and gone, and the egg is still on the "suits" of Missouri faces. I said, when I saw that dome stadium, I looked at my friend in 1999 that the Rams weren't going to be there long. That stadium was outdated when it was built, and basically waisted goid tax payer money and public bonds. Its a shame, but if you want to be a NFL city, you had better have "foresight" to be ahead of the curve and see the trends before you stick one shovel in that dirt. If your city doesn't research the numbers according to and with other NFL cities first. Properly analyze the intrest, income status, and the ability of that fanbase to support the team. Then build a real state of the art, multipurpose, high tech, and architectural wonder of a stadium. Hope the team wins or is at least competitive to keep the intrest going. Don't do those things, and guess what? Your team could roll out on you after 20 or so years just like the Cards and Rams. St.Louis will probably never have NFL football again, but then again, 3 times might be the magic number.
Spryfol II now its retractable roof stadiums now and if it wasn’t for Georgia F. threatening to sue the NFL the rams never would have moved. However Anaheim stadium was very bad for football and she wanted a new stadium in LA but the government in southern California didn’t get along with her. St. Louis was her home and they got her a deal in Missouri she couldn’t refuse.
The Dome was perfectly fine. "Outdated"? There was nothing wrong with it! Cryin' out loud, Fenway Park is 117 years old, and the Red Sox think it will last another 41 years! The Rams had a clause in their lease, stating that the Dome had to be #1 in "fan amenities." This was completely subjective. The Dome was certainly better than Busch Stadium.
David Lafleche it was boring. Just a big bowl with no chips. Well one chip lol
@@cmfunk7665 actually they won 2 NFC championships in St Louis.
The problem with St Louis is everyone wanted a piece of the pie and overly complicated city government structure. See St Louis is one of very few Metro Areas that is NOT part of any County. St Louis County is a totally separate suburb of St Louis City. Each has its own government meaning St Louis has a mayor and St Louis County has a County Executive (equivalent of mayor). So when it always comes to getting anything done that needs cooperation between city and county...yeah right.
I once asked my dad why he never watched football. He told me he quit watching after this.
I'm glad Gene Stallings won a national championship at Alabama. Good guy.
People were furious about this for years. They hated Bill Bidwell and rooted for any team playing the Cardinals.
I'm from Saint Louis we will never I repeat ever get a football team again I don't care what anyone says. Our best shot would be to get the Jaguars to relocate to Saint Louis.
Andrew Taylor jags? lmao no. Maybe the browns.
Enisei I doubt people from cleveland want their team to leave again. Last time they tried it, it didnt go too smoothly. No, the best chance st louis has of getting another football team is via expansion
HashTiger TV they didn’t care about the Rams they had to leave Cleveland and move out to LA.
Or that new Alliance of American Football might want to put a team in St. Louis.
Nah the Cardinals should move to San Antonio and rebrand completely even leave the history in Arizona, while the Jaguars go to Arizona to replace the Cardinals, the name makes more sense and it's cooler
Plus I don't have to dislike a team in Phoenix
Horrible crowds at Sun Devil Stadium except for Dallas Cowboys
That's so freaking crazy. Dan called out all of the next expansion franchises - years before they got one.
Sucks so many cities and states have multiple teams. While Stl had 2 teams taken away for no reason.
We had the All stars in 1923 and the Gunners in 1934 so we’ve sadly lost 4 teams
Wow. A then Kid Gary Apple who later would have a long career as a NYC local sports anchor for WCBS-TV and later SNY aka the NY Mets owned cable channel.
They went from chicago to st louis now arizona.i moved to Arizona 4 years ago .i live by Glendale.its cool having a nfl team. Go cardinals. St louis. Now lost 2 nfl teams the cardinals and rams.i hate that cities lose teams it hurts people. We love are teams.now the Raiders are going to las Vegas.when will it end?
They got a new xfl team wonder if they will stay
Indeed as St Louis was never a football town.
@@crazeyjoe stop that myth about St Louis not being a foot ball town. What the fck is a football town anyway? Is Jacksonville a football town? What makes New Orleans a football town? Just because we have a baseball team that's been there over 100 years doesn't mean it's a baseball town. The fcking Blues will tell you St Louis loves hockey. Shit when the Rams were actually competitive that dome was always sold out. Always. And one of the loudest in the league. Go back and look at the greatest show on turf. Those last few years fans gave up because they knew if the league approved it, no way was Kroenke not moving...no matter what.
@@ChillydontCap The Rams were stolen from LA by some bitch who has thankfully kicked the bucket. Stan did the right thing and moved the Rams back to their rightful home.
The St Louis Cardinals were fun to watch in the 1970s.
Cardiac Cardinals. Original Air Coryell offense.
Except in their ONLY 2 playoff games
Dierdorf really had the whole studio news thing down. I wish there was half this class and silky smooth delivery today. Both in sports and real news. It's like everyone's trying too hard to be a character.
Busch Stadium only sat about 50,000 apparently not good enough for the Bidwills
Black dude in the background of the Bidwill news conference looks like he time traveled from 2021 just to see this interview. I swear I saw that dude at 7-11 just 1 hour ago lol.
Good eye Bill D! I was thinking the same thing 😂
To this day, I still call the Arizona Cardinals the St Louis Cardinals. They have the same uniforms Jim Hart and Mel Gray wore.
You meant the Chicago Cardinals...
not anymore. Wish they'd wear the old jerseys again someday
Oh, come on. Let it go. After all, nobody ever refers to the Milwaukee Brewers as the "Seattle Pilots."
No they don't, and didn't two years ago. They did a material change to the uniforms in 2005.
@@davidlafleche1142 lmaoo
Bring the football Cardinals back.
The Cardinals love St. Louis.
St. Louis loves the Cardinals.
The baseball Cardinals, St Louis is a baseball town What the Cardinals are playing in Arizona is a better facility than what the Rams left from
One the Cardinals players is glad they're going to playing on the grass field at Sun Devil Stadium
They lost 2 teams that's one thing I couldn't imagine going through twice
Imagine how Oakland feels, losing the Raiders twice.
Atlanta also lost two teams when two NHL teams, the Flames and Thrashers, left Atlanta.
It was going to be as bitter a pill to swallow as the Colts leaving Baltimore, or the Oilers leaving Houston...
The Bears and George Halas forced the Cardinals out of Chicago it has been said
Explain?
The Hunt family pressured the state of Missouri NOT to contribute to a new Rams stadium.
The Cardinals never should have left St. Louis.
St. Louis ended up "borrowing" the Rams from 1995-2015, but I never felt the Rams were really a part of St. Louis.
The Cardinals were a part of St. Louis.
I always liked the Cardinals made the Cowboys wear their blue jerseys when they came to town
A lot of teams did
Yup, big D has actually been competitive this year (2021) in the blues...but oh yeah the Blue Jersey Jinx was pioneered by the STL Football Cardinals!
The whole NFC East did it during parts of the 80s. The Redskins wore white all the time at home throughout the 80s. In the early 80s the Giants and Cardinals wore white against the Cowboys and when Buddy Ryan coached the Eagles they would wear white against the Cowboys
Bill Bidwell never lived to see a Super Bowl championship. Nor have any of us his family members.
They won't win one in Arizona. Since moving there, the Cardinals are a disgraceful 191-272. That's a pathetic .412 winning percentage. Compare that to their winning percentage of .479 in St. Louis. It isn't even close.
Bill Bidwell is still alive. He saw them win the NFL Championship as the Chicago Cardinals in 1947. Of course, at his age, if the Cards are gonna win a SB in his lifetime, they'd better hurry up.
Arizona Cardinals should be a strong contender in the 2017 season to win Super Bowl LII in Feb. 2018.
Because his team sucks
Ken Akerman so much for that loool
I glad Dan reminded us that Phoenix is in Arizona. Phoenix Arizona, the largest city in the world that doesn't know where it's located.
What I like about the Packers, is that the team is owned by the city of Green Bay, and that the people can own a share of the team...
I guess Football isn’t your sport, St. Louis. Just admit it.
we prefer stanley cup winning hockey and one of the greatest franchises in baseball history
@@Huna98 you prefer
It was a big day for bill bidwill Cardinals leave st. Louis move to the Valley of the Sun Phoenix Arizona become Phoenix Cardinals for 1988 NFL season
Is that what really happened? Thanks for that inside info
@@TL2354 you're welcome ☺
Used to enjoy visiting the Cardinals’ training camp at Eastern IL Univ a few times on the way home from visiting relatives in southern IL Really miss them in St. Louis. The Rams never belonged.
Sad day.
St. Louis always! Even tho they started in Chicago.
yikes!!! and once again, the City of St.Louis has lost its football team.....yesterday, the NFL announced that the Rams will be moving back to Los Angeles for the 2016 season...maybe the Jaguars or Raiders could switch to Saint Lou
+Will Drucker already enough thugs in Ferguson, keep the Raiders out of STL
Not after hearing the racist crap you've just dumped on the conversation...
Jaguars or Raiders? Uhm, no. The only team that would be truly supported by St. Louis are the Cardinals. Back then, it was a different time period and people weren't as interested in the NFL. If the Cards moved back to St. Louis today, they'd be in the top 5 every year for attendance easily.
@@alexdelagrange2140 Good luck with the XFL team.
@@alexdelagrange2140 ...IF they build a competitive team! Bill Bidwell complained that Busch Stadium was too small: it seated just over 50,000. But he had no right to complain, since he never built a team good enough to have a home playoff game, anyway.
Apple must have been about 12 years old.
The NFL should have used this opportunity to realign their divisions in 1988 as follows:
AFC East: Buffalo, Miami, New England, NY Jets, Pittsburgh
AFC Central: Cincinnati, Cleveland, Houston, Indianapolis, Kansas City
AFC West: Denver, LA Raiders, San Diego, Seattle
NFC East: Atlanta, NY Giants, Philadelphia, Tampa Bay, Washington
NFC Central: Chicago, Detroit, Green Bay, Minnesota, New Orleans
NFC West: Dallas, LA Rams, Phoenix, San Francisco
Features of this alignment would have included:
Dan Marino playing a home-and-home with his hometown team, the Steelers
Two 49ers-Cowboys games a year, which would have increased the chances that Frank and Al and Dan got to call a game in this rivalry.
Tampa Bay having home games against three Northeastern teams a year, given the amount of NE transplants in the area the games might have been highly-attended, if not sellouts - the Bucs didn't sell out much then.
Basing the 1987 standings on this proposed alignment, here's what the non-division games would have been in 1988:
AFC Central VS. AFC East (non-fifth place):
Buffalo at Cincinnati
Cleveland at Miami
Houston at Buffalo
Indianapolis at New England
Cincinnati at Pittsburgh
Miami at Houston
New England at Cleveland
Pittsburgh at Indianapolis
AFC Central VS. AFC West (non-fifth place):
Cleveland at Denver
Denver at Houston
Houston at San Diego
Indianapolis at Seattle
Cincinnati at LA Raiders
LA Raiders at Indianapolis
San Diego at Cincinnati
Seattle at Cleveland
AFC East VS. AFC West (non-fifth place):
Buffalo at Seattle
Denver at New England
LA Raiders at Buffalo
Miami at LA Raiders
New England at San Diego
Pittsburgh at Denver
San Diego at Miami
Seattle at Pittsburgh
AFC Central VS. AFC West (fifth place):
Kansas City at San Diego
Kansas City at Seattle
Denver at Kansas City
LA Raiders at Kansas City
AFC East VS. AFC West (fifth place):
NY Jets at Denver
NY Jets at LA Raiders
San Diego at NY Jets
Seattle at NY Jets
NFC Central VS. NFC East (non-fifth place):
Chicago at Philadelphia
Minnesota at NY Giants
New Orleans at Washington
NY Giants at Green Bay
Philadelphia at New Orleans
Tampa Bay at Chicago
Tampa Bay at Green Bay
Washington at Minnesota
NFC Central VS. NFC West (non-fifth place):
Chicago at San Francisco
Dallas at Minnesota
Green Bay at LA Rams
Green Bay at Phoenix
Minnesota at LA Rams
New Orleans at Dallas
Phoenix at Chicago
San Francisco at New Orleans
NFC East VS. NFC West (non-fifth place):
Dallas at Tampa Bay
LA Rams at Philadelphia
LA Rams at Tampa Bay
NY Giants at Dallas
Philadelphia at Phoenix
Phoenix at Washington
San Francisco at NY Giants
Washington at San Francisco
NFC Central VS. NFC West (fifth place):
Detroit at Dallas
Detroit at San Francisco
LA Rams at Detroit
Phoenix at Detroit
NFC East VS. NFC West (fifth place):
Atlanta at LA Rams
Atlanta at Phoenix
Dallas at Atlanta
San Francisco at Atlanta
Intraconference fifth place home-and-homes:
Atlanta VS. Detroit
Kansas City VS. NY Jets
AFC Central VS. NFC East (non-fifth place):
Cleveland at NY Giants
Cleveland at Washington
Houston at NY Giants
Houston at Washington
Indianapolis at Philadelphia
Indianapolis at Tampa Bay
Cincinnati at Philadelphia
Cincinnati at Tampa Bay
NY Giants at Indianapolis
NY Giants at Cincinnati
Philadelphia at Cleveland
Philadelphia at Houston
Tampa Bay at Cleveland
Tampa Bay at Houston
Washington at Indianapolis
Washington at Cincinnati
AFC East VS. NFC Central (non-fifth place):
Buffalo at Green Bay
Buffalo at New Orleans
Chicago at Buffalo
Chicago at Miami
Green Bay at New England
Green Bay at Pittsburgh
Miami at Green Bay
Miami at New Orleans
Minnesota at Buffalo
Minnesota at Miami
New England at Chicago
New England at Minnesota
New Orleans at New England
New Orleans at Pittsburgh
Pittsburgh at Chicago
Pittsburgh at Minnesota
AFC West VS. NFC West:
Dallas at Denver
Dallas at LA Raiders
Denver at Phoenix
Denver at San Francisco
LA Raiders at Phoenix
LA Raiders at San Francisco
LA Rams at Denver
LA Rams at LA Raiders
Phoenix at San Diego
Phoenix at Seattle
San Diego at Dallas
San Diego at LA Rams
San Francisco at San Diego
San Francisco at Seattle
Seattle at Dallas
Seattle at LA Rams
Interconference fifth place:
Atlanta at NY Jets
Kansas City at Atlanta
Detroit at Kansas City
NY Jets at Detroit
Jerry Jones would never allow the Cowboys to be in a division on the West Coast or Arizona
@@michaelleroy9281 The Cowboys weren't owned by him when the Cardinals moved to Arizona, he would have taken over right after the Cowboys' first season in the NFC West had this realignment happened
We are back in 1995
go steelers
1:23 Atlanta Fulton County Stadium?
Nailed it
Cardinals back to st Louis
This was a much different move than the Rams. The Cardinals shared a stadium,which was owned by the brewery, with the baseball Cardinals. In addition, the Rams had much better attendance than the Cardinals ever did. St. Louis supported the Rams and did everything possible to keep the team, in the end greed won out. The NFL didn't even follow their own rules. It was a total sellout to the dollars of Stan Kronkie, who ironically inherited most of his fortune.
thfzn St. Louis is a dying American city.
Real Splitters OK so what did I say that wasn't true?
Was "KMOV" a CBS affilate?
Yup and still is CBS St Louis station. (as of Sept. 2017) PS I did not know Dan Dierdorf was the sports anchor at KMOV at that time. I guess Dan had 2 separate deals in which he worked full time at KMOV and also did the "Monday Night Football" games with Al Micheals and Frank Gifford during that time as well during the NFL season. Similar to how in recent years Micheal Strahan is a co-host on "Good Morning America" for ABC during the week and co-host/lead studio analyst for FOX Sunday Morning's pre-game show during the NFL season.
Showed how good Monday Night Football broadcast crew of the late '80's and early '90's of Micheals, Gifford and Dierdorf were. All 3 were all play-play announcers at one point as well. Gifford was the lead MNF announcer in the late '70's and early '80s before Micheals, and Dierdorf did play-play for college football and boxing matches as well.
Dierdorf started at KMOX radio... Channel 4 was also KMOX-TV until 1986 changing the X to V for VIDEO, or also Viacom, which was the owner of the station then.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/KMOV
@@americangiant1003
Dierdorf was on the field for the WORST... ABSOLUTE WORST Monday Night Football game in history, October 24, 1983...a 20-20 tie vs. the N.Y. Giants, but Dierdorf was injured most of the season and didn't play in the game, and has joked about it saying, "Don't blame me..." 🤣
St Louis is a great baseball town but the NFL will never work in St. Louis. I’m just glad we got our Rams back!!!
kozmobillions I'm not glad, I'm a Seahawks fan and I understand how they feel having no team for a sport, you all in la have the chargers and rams, guess what we got for basketball in seattle, nothing! It's messed up the rams should have never came back you all have to many teams in California anyways, it should be one team per State anyways
Kyle Bergman Rams are home, dude. NFL got it right. StL took our team and thankfully we got them back.
They got a xfl team now lol
@@rspister St Louis didn't TAKE anything. They moved on their own.
@@rspister meanwhile, LA did absolutely nothing to get the Rams back. Kroenke built his own stadium there. Same stuff he could've done here, but chose not to.
StL supports baseball and nothing else.
everyone loves a winner in LA
You couldn't be further from the truth. Why don't you stick to stuff you aren't ignorant about?
they didn't pack the stadium for the rams return
No I agree.... Talking about St. Louis just being a baseball town. That's a bunch of bullshit
it was better football town than LA, but there's more $$$ in LA