Persecuted from Within | Alec Torres & Joshua Charles
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- In this gripping episode, Michael Knowles sits down with authors Alec Torres and Joshua Charles to delve into their groundbreaking new book, 'Persecuted from Within.' This riveting discussion explores the book's core theme: the silent yet profound internal struggles and persecution faced within various communities and institutions often overlooked by mainstream narratives.
Alec and Joshua bring a wealth of knowledge and insight, shedding light on the stories and experiences that inspired their work. Together with Michael's probing questions, they unravel the complexities of this often-hidden reality, discussing the implications for society and the individuals affected.
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Thank you Michael for having Joshua Charles on 👏🏽 He is a rising star to watch for someone who has studied our faith intensely and provides nuggets of truth that confirms the Church is in fact the One True Church. Keep up the great work Joshua ❤
Joshua does some great apologetic work on twitter, with citations from Church fathers, and it's always respectful
What are these "Church Fathers" that he speaks of?
Adding my obligatory "I'm an adult reconvert" comment. You played a big role in my reconversion Michael, and after watching your conversion story with Matt Fradd, I can say we have a nearly identical path to the church. All the way from our reasons for leaving the church, to our decade of atheism to, being brought back into the fold over many years of serious intellectual pursuit and admiration and the reverent latin mass.
My sister is shocked that I converted and doesn't understand it. We were both atheists for so long, she can't grasp that I now sit around learning latin to browse through church documents. I can't articulate my story nearly as well as you can, but since they are so identical I actually sent her your clip telling your story to Matt Fradd over a cigar as my ice breaker to explain the general arch of how it happened.
I relate to this so much! My sister and I were raised as atheists and I am in the same boat. She was shocked speechless and completely discombobulated when I told her I believe in God now. It was so awkward and weird that the conversation ended before I could fully explain that I am a full-blown, church-attending, Bible-believing follower of Christ. I don't even know what will happen when she finds that out. She'll probably spontaneously combust.
Let's hope that both our sisters can eventually accept our conversions and be happy for us! And better yet, perhaps follow in our footsteps someday.
Beautiful!!!
I love how close to Christ the Catholic Church has brought me over the years. The early Church fathers and apologetics helped me find my way back after years.
I'm going to be honest, I'm a protestant but have immense respect for the Catholic church.
It really pains me to see my protestant friends bash Catholics, their brothers and sisters in christ. They were making false claims about the Catholic beliefs on the Eucharist and denying the salvation of Catholics. I don't know how to respond to this, it's a very confusing situation.
You are under informed in the RCC. We are warned many times in the Bible about Law vs grace. RCC believes you are still bound to the Law for salvation, not freed from the Law. Obeying the 10 commandments is "necessary for salvation" they just like ignoring the other 600+ laws of the Torah. For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become guilty of all of it. Likewise, my brothers, you also have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who has been raised from the dead, in order that we may bear fruit for God.
Stating facts is not "bashing."
@@kazager11
While some Catholics certainly believe that, that is not a belief of the broader Catholic church. Similar to how some protestants may believe works are necessary for salvation, despite this not being a broader Protestant belief.
I also think its best to give as much context to scripture as possible.
"8 If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, “Love your neighbor as yourself,”[a] you are doing right. 9 But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. 11 For he who said, “You shall not commit adultery,”[b] also said, “You shall not murder.”[c] If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker."
James 2 is simply saying that following the law in some regards does not negate the times you do not follow the law. Nothing more, nothing less.
This is made clear by the following discussion of demonstrating faith through works, e.g. "In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead."
It's not good to misrepresent people, and then condemn them on the basis of that misrepresentation.
With that said, thank you very much for taking the time to try to help me make sense of the situation, it is much appreciated.
We Catholics are not bound by dietary or ceremonial laws of the OT. These two comments above are a perfect illustration of what the OP is stating. Ignorance and untruths abound with many prots
Looking forward to read your book,no matter what I stay Catholic. Thanks guys.
Holy Orthodoxy is incorruptible and eternal. Roman Catholicism is apostasy and reaps the fruits of false religion.
It’s a great read to put things into perspective and persevere
I have several Catholic friends and love them dearly.
We must help them break loose from deception. They have to know that it's only Jesus Himself who can forgive sins. Don't be afraid of ridicule. Plant as many seeds as you can. Good luck. God bless you.
@@Jacques.Smith_ Anyone who really knows the full history of the Church will Not be swayed. They would not step away from the Fullness of Faith. Protestants only have bits and pieces that all came from its origin which is our Catholic Church. All 35k+ are just splinters. That's why we can find some things we agree on. That's all!
They love you as well.
@@Jacques.Smith_LOL 🤣🤣🤣
Then you'll tell them to come to Christ and find salvation. They won't find it through the RCC.
I am a huge fan of Joshua Charles. He’s the “smarter guy.”
I'm always greeted with his post as soon as I open my twitter. Converts like him help strengthen my faith.
And humble to boot
This commentary brings to mind this verse:
“Therefore, since Christ suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves also with the same mind, for he who has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin,”
I Peter 4:1 NKJV
I’d love to tour those bookshelves 😅
That battle between Protestant/Catholic I have always challenged and in the end for most of us it's whatever faith our parents raised us.
But there are those of us who went on a long, years-long search for the truth and and went far away from the religion of our parents. I came back to Christianity, but not the Methodist faith of my upbringing. I'm still, as far as I know, the only Catholic in my family and that includes aunts, uncles, and cousins. But you're right, it does seem to be that the majority stay in their parents' tradition, or, I'd add, these days leave religion altogether.
Most of the Catholic theologians and apologists I listen to are converts from Protestantism. Dr Scott Hahn, Dr John Bergsma, Tim Staples, Steve Rey, Jimmy Akin, and Marcus Grodi who has a whole decades long show of converts to Catholicism called "The Journey Home."
Until you take responsibility for what you believe
Loved this!
I don’t appreciate him calling Awanas weird. I liked Awamas as a kid lol.
The secret: 24/7 humility, faith, hope and, love for God and humanity.
'The Faith of the Early Fathers'.. by Wm Juergens. has helped convert Protestants
Great Stuff!
As a lifelong protestant I find the Catholic vs Protestant argument counter productive. There really is only one conversion, and that is converting to faith in Christ. However, I am very grateful for my brothers and sisters in Christ who are devoted to the Catholic way, and the healthy impact on our culture. If I were to be objective, the biggest issue facing Protestants is their lack of theological unity and the straying from Scripture. My main observation of Catholics, and this is only my opinion, is there is a lot of apathy among believers. However, it was through the Catholic church that I was first introduced to the charismatic movement and that has had a profound influence on my life and faith. Bottom line our focus needs to be outward on our needy world, not inward on our insignificant differences.
You are right that converting to Christ first is the most important part but not enough. If we want to follow Him then we should want to be in the Church He Instituted.
Agree, but the sola Fide based of protestantism is Uber destructive. You do need to repent, to confess, to comply, according to The Bible, not only to 2000 years of Tradition and Magisterium.
@@peaceandlove544 The Sola Fide you refer to without any context at all is very misleading. The truth is Protestants are more in tune with Scripture than Catholics, and understand the requirements that come with it.
I was listening to Proverbs while working out today. - great video and talk gentlemen!
What a book at a moment where we have already the prophecized persecution from real Christians from the outside and now the inside 😢😢😢
Michael, you and Matt need to watch and review the movie "Nefarious". The most realistic portrayal of demonic possession according to exorcists with great social commentary on hot button Christian issues. Great movie 🎥🎥
So proud to be Catholic !!!!
I doubt that St Mary Mackillop made it into the book, but maybe she should have. She got excommunicated. Just ordered the book. Thanks, gentlemen ❤
She did. 😁
@@joshuatcharles Amazing! I live very close to her birthplace and to the church where she was baptised! Also, thanks for the reply and congratulations on the book
For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
awesome! catholic masculinity. VIVA!
11:05 I wouldn't say you have to bear the internal Judas element with Him but rather He has to bear it with you
There is nothing in the New Testament that is in anyway similar to the Catholic Church.
There are not one hundred people in the United States who hate The Catholic Church, but there are millions who hate what they wrongly perceive the Catholic Church to be.
Fulton J. Sheen
Thank you. I have no idea where they get this idea. If you took someone who knew nothing about the RCC and nothing about the Bible and you had them just read the New Testament, without telling them anything or trying to sway them in either direction, there is no way that person would come away with the ideas of the Roman Catholic Church. They could not, because they are not there. And I don't mean the words "Catholic Church" or any of the other modern terms that obviously did not exist at the time. I mean the very concepts. They're not there!
@@Yesica1993 a couple of the ideas are there when the New Testament talks about the falling away. Which lets you know that Catholicism was foretold. It is when the church of the New Testament started going their own way instead of God’s way.
That is not true. Try reading with a less biased tone and you’ll see it.
@@MB-zn9vg I have no reason to be biased. If Catholicism was true to God’s word it would be very appealing. All the pomp and circumstance would be cool. God is not into idolatry, popes, praying to Mary or having priest forgive sins. Or selling of indulgences or crossing one’s self in the presence of an idol. Nothing the Catholic Church does is found in the New Testament. The infallible pope who oversees the abuse of children by the priest who are supposed to forgive other people’s sins? What a joke! The whole organization of the Catholic Church is foreign to the New Testament church.
Just read the Bible and do what it says and then you know God approves. Start making up stuff and how do you know it is okay with God?
You should not love Herr Luther. You should respect his theology. You should love God, Luther is not God, he was a man who saw corruption and didn't stand down.
I first want to say FOCUSING on Catholic vs. Protestant differences in this age is FRUITLESS. We need to find ways to UNITE as MERE-Christians. There’s a lost world out there, a woke one leading our young in wayward directions. We need to teach our young a BIBLICAL and Christian worldview. We need to share the gospel. Our banner should be the cross and solidarity in Jesus. Frankly, if a lost soul comes to saving faith in Christ, that is what counts more. Be it Catholic or Evangelical.
Getting back to the differences, I will only say the church fathers are only correct so long as it agrees with scripture. There are many traditions and governances in the Catholic Church that are foreign to the word of God. To the blueprints laid out to us for the church in the New Testament.
Exactly, it is the Word of God which is our standard as Christians. Teachers, elders, pastors and such are good and needed in reinforcement and edification of the faith. But it is to God and His Word they are held. Not the other way around.
EXACTLY - Unite as Fellow Christians.
There are many EVILS to stand against right now - we shouldn't be creating DIVISION among each other.
You are grossly misinformed concerning Catholicism. The Catholic Church is the Church Jesus established.
Roman Catholics are not Christian. There is no uniting. It's really sad to see.
The Lord already provided a way: the Catholic Church.
Thank yoy for this.
Great conversation.
I hope each of you find Jesus Christ.
For all of the Christians that are questioning if Romanists are saved, I ask you when and how are you saved? RCC teaches that Baptism saves you, then as you sin later in life you must expiate your sins through penance, and you can lose your salvation. You must obey the 10 Commandments or lose your salvation, but why don't they agree w/ Jews what the 10 are? How do you change God's word to make the Sabbath on Sunday? What about the other 600+ commands of The Law? Be sure that they also teach you can not be saved outside of becoming Catholic "it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff." They don't believe in divorce (the relationship between Christ and believers personified), but believe your sin will cause Christ disown you? When Christ said "I will remember their sins no more", that just meant until you sin, then he remembers them again? They have a poor understanding of agape love (unconditional, so if you lose your salvation by sinning...it's conditional). We have received "adoption as sons", until we sin, then we are unadopted?
RoMaNiSt. Argument dismissed. Just read more from the actual sources instead
@@MB-zn9vgI cited the Catechism & Bible. What are you even saying?
Yes this is one of my main problems with Catholicism. It seems to be dependent on a person’s ability to be good enough. That’s not what the Bible teaches at all. We can never be good enough. That’s the whole point of Jesus.
@@desertrose0601Our Lord, not because You Say Oh Lord Oh Lord You Will be saved, but You have to follow His teachings. Look it up.
@@desertrose0601that’s why we Catholics have the sacrament of reconciliation.
Protestant ism is, of course, christian, but imagine a group of children without parents caring for them, trying to care for themselves, and trying to figure things out. Im evangelical, and that's what i see and feel.
I challenge Mr. Knowles to a deul...I mean a debate... with Dr. James White of Alpha and Omega ministries. I have watched virtually every podcast -- including many of the drinking games -- of Michael for over 3 years, and virtually every podcast of J.W for about 2 years. I can attest it would be an incredible debate!
"Persecuted from Within" That's a good one. Care to discuss the Holy Office of Inquisition?
And the persecution of trads by Pope Francis
You can’t convert from one religion to the same religion practiced in a different way? The wording makes no sense to me. I don’t want to restart the crusades, I’m just curious.
Fun video
I don’t get a lot of the catholic thing or most of the Protestant stuff as a Christian who’s Torah Observant as the Bible says and as Messiah Taught it’s a fine between line of Judaism and what we call Christianity
Likewise. I grew up in or in proximity to both and found TO, then figured out so much of the "Christian/Catholic" faith was off or plain wrong
I would never presume to assign or deny salvation to anyone. In fact, I know numerous Catholics that have a heart for God and I believe them to be saved.
However, the Catholic doctrine has many non-Biblical practices. I.e.-praying to Mary and the saints, priests assigning penance and acting as a mediary.
When Christ died, the veil of the inner temple was torn in 2. Meaning that there was now a direct line to God and the intermediary was no longer needed.
I see no scripture that tells us to pray to ANYONE but God.
The Catholic church was NOT the 1st Christian church. The Apostles started the 1st church and it was NOT Catholic. Sure, Christ said He would build His church on the "rock". However, He was speaking about what Peter said, not Peter. Peter had just declared that Christ was God. THAT is the rock that His church is built upon.
I was confirmed in a Catholic church in 3rd grade and have been through their entire catycism.
I am not Catholic. I worship at the feet of my Saviour, Jesus Christ.
@@Anna-oc54sk
The only written source, that is the Word of God, and inspired by the Holy Spirit, is the Bible. Why would anyone accept guidance from anything else? I would certainly never place the words of a human over God's directive.
Yes, Mary was a great woman. But she isn't God. Do you ever see Jesus or the apostles praying to her in the Bible? Nope. Do you see them praying to anything or anyone, other than God? Nope. I agree that she was a woman of honor. But she still isn't God.
There is 1 true God. I would highly encourage you to direct your prayers to Him and not made-made gods (Mary & saints) and idols (crucifix)...
“I would never presume” Then shut your piehole and stop spewing bull-
@@Anna-oc54sk
I never claimed ANY of that was OK or not OK.
All I said was that there is 1 true God. I wouldn't be taking the advice of man over that of God.
And yes, Mary was highly regarded in her time. SHE'S NOT GOD.
There is only 1 we should be praying to.....God!
Take what your Bible says as the Gospel truth. Leave the human commentary at the bookstore.
God tells us that He is a jealous God. He only wants us worshiping and praying to Him.
I would highly recommend taking His direction to heart. It's written down for all to read.
Leave traditions alone and worship like He wants....at the feet of your Saviour. The Saducees and Pharisees were excellent at traditions too. I don't want to be likened to them....ever.
FYI....I'm not protestant or catholic. I worship at the feet of Jesus Christ.
@@Anna-oc54sk
When Christ's disciples asked Him how they should pray, to whom is the prayer directed? Moses? Elijah? Mary? Noah? Adam? No. The prayer is directed toward God. "Our Father, who art in heaven"...
And right after that, in Luke 11, Christ tells a parable of how to pray. To summarize, your prayers should be like someone knocking on a door and pleading or petitioning to bring attention to your plight. Christ never says to go get a bunch of influential or honored friends to petition for you. You need to do that yourself.
The only time that I can recall, in the Bible, that someone is petitioning for me is the Holy Spirit.
We are also warned by Christ that anyone bringing a different Gospel than what He gave, is of the anti-Christ. No deletions. No additions.
God Almighty is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. His Gospel is the same today as the day Christ gave it.
There is theology and tradition in the modern church (Catholic, Protestant and Evangelical) that doesn't follow His Gospel.
The only way to find His Gospel is to read it for yourself. Not someone else's interpretation of it. Let Him speak directly to YOUR heart.
We don’t pray to Mary or the saints. We don’t worship them either. We ask them to pray for us, like asking a family’s member to pray for us. These members are saints in heaven in the presence of God, their prayers are powerful.
I don't understand the Catholic hate? Aren't Catholics Christians, I thought they are, isn't hate of Catholics go against teachings of the Bible,of Jesus?!!🥺🙏🙏🙏
No, they're not.
Disagreeing with someone and/or stating you believe they are wrong is not hate, it is love. And according to scripture Catholics are not Christians because they do not follow the teachings of the New Testament.
They are the original Christians. “To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant” John Henry Newman
@@sueseelie I’m not Protestant, I’m not Catholic. I’m a Christian like the Christians of the New Testament. I believe in restoration of the New Testament church not reformation of the Catholic Church. Martin Luther wanted to reform Catholicism but not go so far as being just a Christian like the many examples we have in God’s word. If you follow scripture you will not be Catholic.
Are you excited about the new LGBT rules?
Church has been in crises various times in the hierarchy, even in the early centuries.
What LGBTQ rules? The idea they can repent and be baptized?
There's a lot of propaganda about Luther. But he's really worth looking into - knew what he was talking about and loved the Church.
Try reading his actual words, instead of a book about him. He hated the Catholic Church because he was a heretic and didn't want to follow her teachings.
@@eb4203 Well, start selling indulgences again. You should do a land office business.
@@eb4203 I can guarantee I've read more of his "actual words" and work than you.
@@jpc9923 The selling of indulgences was a teaching of the Catholic Church for purely mercenary reasons. Your remark about propaganda in the Bondage of the Will makes no sense whatsoever. Despite what Luther wrote to Erasmus, the papacy, purgatory and indulgences are NOT merely extraneous points. They are the devilish out- workings of Catholic doctrine. They were not TRIFLES. Luther was being a little too easy on Erasmus.
Luther rewrote scripture to benefit his narrative. He was selfish in his actions to break the church and is a heretic.
Michael Knowles I have some questions for you. I know The Holy Bible is the only written Word of God on earth. For an answer to be valid it would need to be totally reliant upon the written Word of God, The Holy Bible. (I am aware of the Catholic Daily Missal which I do not see as the written Word of God.)
My Bible tells me that The Lord Jesus Christ is the head of The Church. My Bible also specifically states not to call any man "father".
1)Why does Catholicism give the honor of head of the Church to an elected man known as a pope?
2) why do Catholics refer to the Catholic priests as "father"?
3) My Bible tells me that the dead know nothing, also to be absent from the body is to be present with The Lord. My Bible tells me The Lord Jesus Christ is my High Priest, my intercessor so that I may pray to God through/in the name of The Lord Jesus Christ? Why do Catholics pray to people who have died, referring to them as saints?
4) my Bible tells me that Mary, the Mother of the Lord Jesus Christ while He was here on earth, is blessed among women. My Bible also tells me The Lord Jesus Christ-during the Crucifixion- said to a disciple "behold thy Mother" referring to Mary. I take that to mean He wanted that disciple to look after Mary. My Bible also tells me not to make a graven image and bow to it/worship it. The question is : 4)Why do Catholics pray to Mary? 5)Do Catholics actually believe Mary and saints intercede for them before God?
6) (I understand disciples are saints. They walked with The Lord Jesus Christ when He was on earth & wrote down the words given them through The Holy Spirit). Question is Who decides in Catholicism that people are to be saints?
7) there is no mention of a pope found anywhere in The Holy Bible. What is the ideology behind pope & who came up with that?
I'm sure I have other questions, but would appreciate answers that address these concerns before anything else. Because these issues would have me dismiss what The Holy Bible actually states and embrace what Catholicism teaches.
I am a fundamental Christian i.e. I believe The Holy Bible from Genesis through Revelation as the only written Word of God on earth. Any ideology not found within the confines of Genesis through Revelation is something man has came up with, and not from God.
I’m not even Catholic, but I’ll try to answer as best as I can.
1) The Catholic Church does not disagree with the notion that Christ is the head of the church.
“Christ "is the head of the body, the Church." He is the principle of creation and redemption. Raised to the Father's glory, "in everything he [is] preeminent," especially in the Church, through whom he extends his reign over all things.” (CCC 792)
Catholics will argue that Jesus gave authority to special authority to the Apostle Peter, which has been handed down to successors. So in a sense, Christ is the head of the Church, and the pope is the prime minister.
2) Catholics refer to priests as father because he is his parish’s spiritual father much in the sense that Paul was the Corinthians spiritual father:
“Even if you had ten thousand guardians in Christ, you do not have many fathers, for in Christ Jesus I became your father through the gospel.” (1 Corinthians 4:15)
3) Since those who are in heaven are righteous in the sense that they are fully sanctified, Catholic’s ask for their intercession because God “hears the prayers of the righteous” (Proverbs 15:29). This is similar to asking a fellow believer to pray for you. You can and should still pray to God through Jesus; it’s just that you can also ask the saints to pray for you just like you would ask a friend.
4) Catholic’s pray to Mary and venerate her because they believe that she when Jesus declared her to be John’s mother, He made her the mother of all Christians. As far as graven images are concerned, Catholics would argue that many things changed from the Old Covenant to the New Covenant. Consider circumcision. According to Old Testament law, one had to be circumcised in order to be apart of God’s people. In Acts 15, the church gathered together and decided this Old Testament law did not apply to God’s people anymore. And since Catholics believe that the authority to “bind and loose” is given not only to the apostles but to the apostles successors, they would say that the successors of the apostles at the Council of Nicaea 2, had the authority to state that people were allowed to make and venerate icons.
5) Yes Catholics believe Mary and the Saints intercede on their behalf.
6) Catholics believe that the Holy Spirit can reveal things to the church, including whether or not a person is a saint.
7) Catholic’s believe that Peter was the first Pope because Christ told Peter that his name is Peter (which means rock) and that on that rock He will build his church. Since Peter is the rock on which the church is built he and his successors have a special authority in the church.
Ok, so now I have a question for you. You say that if something is not found in Genesis through Revelation, then it is something that man has come up with. Using only the Bible, how do you know that Genesis and Revelation are part of the Bible?
Peter in modern terms is The Kings Prime Minister. The "Prime Minister" in the Davidic Kingdom was given The Keys of David. It was a show of him welding the Kings Authority. Which is a similar position to what Joseph arose to with Pharoah. He had a signet ring similar to the keys. They both were called Father.
Joseph: Prime Minister/Signet ring(keys)/Father
Joseph becomes Prime Minister with signet ring.
Genesis 41:41 So Pharaoh said to Joseph, “I hereby put you in charge of the whole land of Egypt.” 42 Then Pharaoh took his signet ring from his finger and put it on Joseph’s finger. He dressed him in robes of fine linen and put a gold chain around his neck. 43 He had him ride in a chariot as his second-in-command, and people shouted before him, “Make way!” Thus he put him in charge of the whole land of Egypt.
Joseph a father to Pharoah:
Gen 45:8 "So now it was not you who sent me here, but God; and He has made me a father(Papa in Italian, Pope in Latin) to Pharaoh, and lord of all his house, and a ruler throughout all the land of Egypt."
Davidic Kingdom:
Eliakim Prime Minister/Succession/Father/Keys:
Isaiah 22:19 19 So I will drive you out of your office,
And from your position he will pull you down.
20 ‘Then it shall be in that day,
That I will call My servant Eliakim the son of Hilkiah;(Succession)
21 I will clothe him with your robe
And strengthen him with your belt;
I will commit your responsibility into his hand.
He shall be a father(Papa in Italian, Pope in Latin) to the inhabitants of Jerusalem
And to the house of Judah.
22 The key of the house of David
I will lay on his shoulder;
So he shall open, and no one shall shut;
And he shall shut, and no one shall open.
Peter Prime Minister/Keys/Succession(historical)/Father(historical):
Mathew 16:16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”
17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven. 18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”
@sonicgeeksquad4g106 thank you for your time. I do understand what Catholicism teaches. I do not believe it is supported by The Holy Bible, not Biblical. I have friends I am aware Catholicism claims Peter as first Pope. Zero mention of that in The Holy Bible. Perhaps a practicing devout Catholic could address my questions. It is kind of you to share your opinion.
@@sonicgeeksquad4g106 RE: your question. My answer is simple, faith.
@dantelepanto
Thank you for your help.
hmmm Joseph and Pharaoh was concerning governance of Egypt.
The Holy Bible does not say Peter was a pope. The Holy Spirit dwells within every Christian and is The Comforter that The Lord Jesus Christ left with us. Catholics are not the only human beings with access to The Holy Spirit.
All the disciples knew The Lord Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God. (Even judas knew that which is why he hung himself after betraying The Lord Jesus.)
Uhm... WHICH Bible? Did you read the "Catholic" version? That has quite a few verses/chapters/books that aren't in the canon that are in KJV, NIV, versions, so, which is it?
The books that RCC accepts are easily proven uninspired, containing many errors.
Luther removed books from the Bible in the 16th century when he “founded” Protestantism
@@kazager11Go to an atheist website that points all the "hundreds of contradictions" in the bible. Unless you can reconcile every single one of them, the whole bible would be invalidated by your own standards.
Hahaha who do You think wrote the Canon of the Bible, your luckwarm edited- more than 1000 years later- Bible is based on? The Catholic Church!!
Im a Protestant and the only things about Catholicism is what appears to be the worship of saints, especially Mary and the infallibility standard of the Pope. Maybe a few other things that I recall that are minor, I think the Catholic faithis as legitamate as most Protestant and Eastern and Greek Orthodoxy. And I agree with the notion that the Catholic faith is excellent in its knowlege and display of the faith. Alot of very smart officals in the higher eschalons of the church, its impressive to say the least.
We don't worship saints or Mary . That's a fabrication. We ask them to pray for us. Just as you ask people to pray for u.
Catechism of the Catholic Church
IV. "YOU SHALL NOT MAKE FOR YOURSELF A GRAVEN IMAGE . . ."
2129 The divine injunction included the prohibition of every representation of God by the hand of man. Deuteronomy explains: "Since you saw no form on the day that the Lord spoke to you at Horeb out of the midst of the fire, beware lest you act corruptly by making a graven image for yourselves, in the form of any figure...." 66 It is the absolutely transcendent God who revealed himself to Israel. "He is the all," but at the same time "he is greater than all his works." 67 He is "the author of beauty." 68
2130 Nevertheless, already in the Old Testament, God ordained or permitted the making of images that pointed symbolically toward salvation by the incarnate Word: so it was with the bronze serpent, the ark of the covenant, and the cherubim. 69
2131 Basing itself on the mystery of the incarnate Word, the seventh ecumenical council at Nicaea (787) justified against the iconoclasts the veneration of icons - of Christ, but also of the Mother of God, the angels, and all the saints. By becoming incarnate, the Son of God introduced a new "economy" of images.
2132 The Christian veneration of images is not contrary to the first commandment which proscribes idols. Indeed, "the honor rendered to an image passes to its prototype," and "whoever venerates an image venerates the person portrayed in it." 70 The honor paid to sacred images is a "respectful veneration," not the adoration due to God alone:
Religious worship is not directed to images in themselves, considered as mere things, but under their distinctive aspect as images leading us on to God incarnate. The movement toward the image does not terminate in it as image, but tends toward that whose image it is. 71
Why do Catholics ask Mary for grace? That is asking her for something Jesus gives. The prayer is not asking her to pray for you, it is asking her directly for grace. That is what I have a problem with.
Can't we all just love Jesus and be friends?
@@jcthomas3408I assume you mean the Hail Mary prayer. Tge Hail Mary prayer does not ask Mary for grace. The words are, Hail Mary, full of grace (it's a description of her that comes from scripture)... Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.
Obviously, those words are a plea to ask Mary to pray for us.
The problem with modern day Christianity is exactly what Messiah taught against adding to and taking away from The Word and inserting man made traditions into Scripture he gave us Laws and Feasts and we are to keep all the Feasts in spirit since we don’t have a temple and the ultimate sacrifice has been made by The Son Of GOD Yeshua Hamashiach and a majority of the laws still stand because he clearly states He didn’t come to destroy the Torah or Prophets and all the apostles preach the same message Paul, John and James are super heavy making this point but some how people just ignore this and what the Penitence of the Saints is to Keep the Law (Torah) of GOD and Faith in Yeshua (Jesus) and recognize Him as Highpriest of GOD Lord and King of Creation and that he died sinless and was raised from the dead being the first fruits of The Almighty Father GOD if you can understand that the “O.T.” Is valid and the Renewed covenant is being the Gentiles into covenant and we all await Messiahs Reign and the New Covenant where no man will have to teach one another to kno GOD or his laws as it will be written soon our hearts and we will be in HIS Glory
Man made traditions like Sola Scriptura?
@@EpoRose1lol thank you. How can they not see this?
I thought this was going to be a video about Ben Shapiro, supporting Ron DeSantis…
You've finally got a weird outro. It'd be funny if you played a different chord every time.
It's not just a chord, it also happens to be the national anthem.
@@dogman15 The word is chord, and unless it's the complete piece it's still just a chord.
@@anon_y_mousse I was using voice recognition on my phone, and I didn't take the time to double-check what it had heard before I posted my reply. I know what a chord is; I play the piano. And anyway, even if it's just the notes G-E-C-E-G-C, that's a broken chord, and is undeniably ALSO the first six notes of the United States anthem.
Unam Sanctam Catholicam et Apostolicam Ecclesiam!!!!
Catholic is not the way to go no matter what nobody says, all the Hail Marys you can say in a lifetime will not save you or get you forgiven only the blood of Jesus can do that, not his mother.
Can you tell me in the catechism where it says Catholics are saved by saying Hail Marys, or that we *have* to say the rosary, or that we *have to* pray to saints? No, you can’t, because it doesn’t. “There are not one hundred people in the United States who hate The Catholic Church, but there are millions who hate what they wrongly perceive the Catholic Church to be.” Fulton J. Sheen
Don’t be one of the ignorant millions.
Thank you! It's maddening.
There are saved Catholics,who are Bible believing,what are you talking about, Catholics are Christian!!!🤣🤣🤣🤦
@@EpoRose1 Can you tell me that Jesus Christ is your lord and savior, if so, none of the rest of it matters, no Hail Marys or none of our Works can get us into heaven as being a Catholic are any other denomination, that will not get your sins forgiven, only the blood of Christ can do that and that's a simply truth.
@@EpoRose1they are completely ignorant.
Wait, Catholic convert from Protestantism? How does that even happen?! How can you KNOW what the Bible teaches, and then go to a system that rejects that? Mind boggling.
Because he knows the correct interpretation. We read the Bible every day. Taking all contexts into account. Try looking into it. There’s a reason why you have so many different denominations over Scriptural interpretation.
“To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant” John Henry Newman. Learn the history
By the way, there are many converts from Protestantism to Catholicism. Check out Pints with Aquinas. He does many interviews, all very inspirational.
3:44
"So I wasn't super anti Catholic. But, you know, I I just love the Bible. And I kept reading the Bible. And, you know, frankly, over many years, things just
weren't adding up."
What things weren't adding up? So... he went to Catholicism? How on earth do you get Catholicism from the Bible?! There's nothing in there about Christ coming to form some organization eventually to be called the RCC. There's nothing in there about special people who have to designated saints by this organization. (How arrogant is that!). All born again/regenerate followers of Christ are called saints in the New Testament. Don't believe me? Look up Paul's letters. Most, if not all, start off with some version of, "To the saints" in such-and-such location.
There's nothing in the Bible with all this focus on Mary, as though she's anything more than a young woman who was given this honor by God. But she wasn't sinless. That's why she called God her Savior. Luke 1:46-48
And Mary said,
“My soul magnifies the Lord,
47 and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior,
48 for he has looked on the humble estate of his servant.
She did not stay a virgin forever. Don't believe me? READ THE BIBLE! It mentions Jesus had brothers and sisters! (Matthew 12:46, Luke 8:19, Mark 3:31, Matthew 13:55, Matthew 13:56).
We don't pray to her, ask her to talk to Jesus for us, or anything of that sort. There is ONE mediator between God and man, and that is Jesus.
1Timothy 2:5-6
For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all, which is the testimony given at the proper time.
Good grief! What's the fixation with her virginity anyway? God designed sex for marriage. That's how babies are born. There's nothing wrong with that. Why do Catholics have this obsession that she stayed a virgin forever - again, when the Bible EXPLICITLY says otherwise! There's nothing about the Mass, an abomination where Christ is sacrificed week after week. He was sacrificed ONCE. (Hebrews 7:26-28)
I could go on and on. See the common denominator here? It's SCRIPTURE. Not my ideas or opinions. THAT is the authority for Christians.
You’re ignorant that’s why.
Have you looked at Catholic responses to all of these? Catholic apologetics is actually quite prominent online, and apologists have already attempted to provide answers to all of these concerns.
They talk in circles. And the final authority is never Scripture. (Which is the whole problem in the first place.)@@AJ-hi4lx
So many protis offended by this. Why?
You let youre children smoke cigars?? Lol
As long as they are Mayflower 🤑
cringe
I love you, Michael, but I just can’t listen to a couple of apostates boasting about their apostasy.
Is Michael an apostate too since he is Catholic?
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Michael is catholic. Are you okay?? Hello??
@@MB-zn9vg yeah, I’m fine. I realize he is catholic. I love him just the same. I love hod two guests also. I just think they’re wrong, and have left their first love
Why are protis so angry over this? They’re not boasting. They’re telling their conversion stories. “To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant” John Henry Newman. Learn the history of Christianity and you will see that the Catholic Church is the one true church.