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My H1 rev1 has been doing fine post recall. NZXT even sent me a free replacement glass panel after It scratched mine. Yes I'd probably Consider the rev2 case but not at $350-380
Had no interest in the original H1. This one I'd actually consider using, but honestly with the SuppD Meshlicious I don't see why I'd go with the H1 V2. The Meshlicious is more compact and supports 280 AIOs. I also rather supply my own cooler and power supply.
I think they initially responded poorly but seem to be working to change things. I bought a Creator PC from them last year (10900k, 64GB mem, EVGA 3090 FTW3) and it’s been perfect. I’ve been building my own since the 286sx days (the IBM XT doesn’t count as a build to me 😂) so I haven’t had any need for their support but overall I’m happy with what I got for the money. I recommended them to some other people who don’t have any real experience with hardware and they have been problem free as well with their custom builds. If not for the original H1 issue I wouldn’t have any reservations buying from them at all.
I thought the old version in white kind of looked like a miniature popcorn machine at the movies, then I realized that making popcorn might actually be possible with that pcie riser.
I mean there's a health condition called 'popcorn lung' relating to the toxicity of the fake butter in microwave popcorn, melted plastic may be preferable after all!
As someone who bought an early H1 (and I really like it!) I appreciate you all keeping NZXT in check and resolving issues. I was a bit behind the curve on what was going on until I received a replacement riser which I credit you guys for making happen. I really like the case, except the one USB-A on top is a pain and thermals are a bit sketchy at times. I've taken to using a desk fan pointed at the GPU intake for when I'm gaming just for my own peace of mind, even though I'm using a 3070 and haven't had any issues. I was one of the people that loved the idea of this case because it came with CPU cooler and PSU prewired...I hate building in small form factor but love the size.
People have reported NZXT downgrading the Seasonic PSU that V1 originally came with to some unknown PSU. NZXT didn't even disclose which PSU the V2 comes with this time (NZXT doesn't have SFX PSUs, it's just a label) and shutting off with 3080 doesn't inspire confidence. It's not even the SFX issue, Corsair's SF750 doesn't do that, for example. The best alternative for H1 would be SSUPD Meshlicious, slightly smaller, also very small footprint, with similar or better cooling, better HW compatibility (you're not stuck with that AIO) and cheaper when comparing case price alone, without cooler and PSU...
Meshlicious is a fantastic case, I run mine with a 9700k and 3080 and it conveniently is perfect for a deshroud mod on a gpu, my fans are directly up against the mesh.
@@Time_Traveling_Lesbian I think the nr200p is a great case, I used to have one but I switched to a meshlicious. The main problem for me was that it was just large enough to struggle to fit into small luggage’s, and as a college student I want to fly with my computer so I downsized into a meshlicious. It’s still a good case though, but it’s worth noting for anyone who wants to fly with their pc
I love the Meshlicious case. I dont want the H1 case cuz it has a preassembled AIO that is not standard. If is broken or not working anymore u cant even find one in the internet to buy it. Even in NZXT webpage. that sucks
I'm suprised they did not call it H2. I guess they still have H1 V1 inventory out there in the wild needing to be sold and they did not want people to be able to easily separate both cases lol
I've had the v1 for over a year now with a 5800x and a hybrid 3080 with the 650w psu. So far not once crash or shut down due to power. Really happy with the case to be honest. Good changes with this one. But I prefer my smaller one
I have since gotten a super cheap 3090 and still running the same system, still no issues with the power supply. But the AIO failed and NZXT does not replace it anymore.
@@ph0ftvv I sent it in for warranty but instead of sending me a new cooler they sent me a new case which I didn't want. I went with the noctua nh-l12s ghost s1 to accommodate for a 140x30mm fan. Temps idle around 40-42 and in gaming around 60
@@flatmotion1 Did you get a (partial?) refund on the H1 V1 because the AIO should have been covered under warranty? The temps with the L12S sound pretty good, it's something I've been struggling with for my 5900X. How loud does it get, compared to the H1 AIO for example?
@@ph0ftvv no I didn't get a refund due to them sending me a new h1 v2. I requested my defective cooler back so I can fix it myself. I did undervolt the 5800x3d for better temps. Since the cooler works better than the aio it's in fact quieter but ab aftermarket Fan would be regardless, I ditched the stock fan
If you've never done it yet, there's actually a quite viable pdf manual available from NZXT for free as part of the build-it-yourself BLD kit they have. It's not guaranteed to be perfect for everyone, but Jayz2cents did a test build where they got a complete newbie in to test it, and he managed it with only asking 1-2 questions to the pros. That despite Jay having...basically no capacity to wait without goofing around massively. I've breezed through it myself, and, while I don't recommend it as your only source of information, it's definitely a solid source to draw on, even without having a kit where each component is in Box A, Box B and so on for ease of identification. This is assuming you're looking to guarantee you get everything right and are working with more expensive stuff. My first computer build was some DOS-era machine cobbled together out of archaic spare parts my Dad still had in the storeroom - stuff that was sufficiently obsolete that it really didn't matter if it wound up broken. I think we'd just upgraded to Windows 98 or something at the time, so I'd have been maybe 10 or so? But he took a very hands off approach - he explained things like "this is the motherboard, it's the hub everything else connects to" and "that goes directly on the motherboard, do you see a slot that looks like it would fit?" It was a great experience, and the computer did boot to DOS as intended when I was done, but...there was room for me to turn things around and experiment and treat it like a weird jigsaw puzzle because A: I had someone watching who could point out things like "be careful with the CPU pins, they're very delicate" and B: if I did screw it up and break something, it didn't matter. (It's amazing how much things have changed over the years, though - back in those days, there were "sister boards" that filled up most of the PCI slots. (And yes, no e. PCIe was not a thing yet One was what passed for a video card in those days...which is to say, it translated the digital video output from the CPU to an analogue signal to be sent to a CRT monitor. One was a sound card, because onboard sound was limited to the monotone buzzer used primarily for error codes when the motherboard is detecting major problems. One was a board with extra memory slots, because the motherboard's 2 SIMM slots could only handle about 32 kB of RAM and we wanted more like 128kB. And one, to this day, I have no idea what it did. It was a board with a few chips on it. Don't recall it having any outputs or anything else. Also....this was a full tower case and the motherboard basically occupied the entire thing top to bottom along the side of the case that now houses the back panel. And we plugged in the hard drive (which was something like a hundred megabytes? It was a pretty late-gen DOS computer, so not quite as absurd as the 256kB hard drives you hear some talk about) and the 5-1/4 inch floppy drive via 40-strand IDE cables, great ribbons that stretched across the case. ...And for all that's changed, the 24 pin motherboard power plug...looks pretty much the exact same. Generally with more aesthetically pleasing plastic on the plug than the natural off-white colour back then, but it's still a great honking cable that's entirely unwieldy.)
Whatever you do, don't start with an ITX build! It's a ton of hassle to get everything connected and fitting in such a way that the case can be closed (whatever ITX case it might be). You don't want to expose children to the kinds of curses usually uttered in this kind of building process.
It's wild to me how so many people want NZXT products despite how poorly they have handled their myriad issues. At least they seem to be trying to improve now.
I own a H440 and a Kraken X62, still a great case and the cooler used to be among the best before Arctic Liquid Freezer launched. So clearly used to be capable of making awesome products. That's why I have high hopes they'll turn things around for the better in the future.
I know people have had some bad experiences along with occasional PR mishaps but I came from iBUYPOWER which IMO was horrific. Not entirely that is, but quality control was so bad on my first PC. Turned me off for years. My new 5950x + 3080 build is very nice and support has been mostly great minus refusing to make a somewhat last minute RAM swap, which I personally thought was a little ridiculous but oh well. That being said I initially wanted this case but went for 710i instead and vented panels to help airflow. Wasn’t gonna make that mistake.
I really look forward to your content daily. It's honest, hilarious, and super informative. Big fan here! I was dying when the New Egg stuff was going on because at one point, no video came out for like a week lol. Heading to the store to support GN. The products you guys put together look awesome.
Super happy with my H1 V1. I have it hot rodded with slim back panel fans and the temps are great. If I had to get a new case, it would be the V2, since it's not that much bigger in dimensions but has better cooling.
Around this time last year I had an original NZXT H1. I immediately returned it to Amazon after seeing the initial coverage. Thank you Steve & team for bringing the fire issue to light. I liked the original H1, great layout, excellent design, very noob friendly. Unfortunately NZXT’s response to the fire issue has been less than ideal, and I’m staying away from them until them until they have a proven track record of being a responsible company, not just when the world is staring at them.
It's very funny to me that this whole PR nightmare would have just vanished like poof if they just dealt with the issue properly recalling the bunk risers and sending new ones out.
Love the new Xbox case! I mean PC… it’s nice, like a puzzle to put together. I would say problem resolved, i would feel fine with a case purchase from them. Great review, like the thermals.
good to see that they finally figured out that one USB3 connector contains the contacts for two ports, it's such a frustrating design decision to not break both of them out
Especially since the internal USB C connector is still not widely adopted. I recently built a PC for a friend based on 10th or 11th gen intel in a NZXT case and the board he chose doesn't have a USB-C internal connector, so I had to leave part of the front panel unconnected. Very dissatisfying! I must say that building inside this case was the smoothest experience I've ever had. Part of this was due to there being no RGB fans/controllers and no SATA drives for sure, but the cable management of NZXT cases is really excellent.
@@LRM12o8 the only problem I’ve had with SATA drives in their cases (specifically with the 2.5” drives in the h500/510) is that they only give 90° connectors meaning that if you put a drive in the side of the case (where the 2.5” drives are supposed to go) it’s extremely difficult to get the SATA cable plugged in.
@@myrealusername2193 Yeah, that can be annoying. Not having angled plugs can also be annoying in other cases. But my point was more that having no SATA drives actually significantly reduced the amount of wires I needed to manage. Plus, the 3.5" and 2.5 bays in the cases I've worked with in the past were either difficult to access or tricky to cable manage, so it did really make the build much quicker and easier. In fact, last time I built a PC for the very same guy, I lost like two hours troubleshooting and fixing a build error, because while I pre-routed all cables before inserting the motherboard (which would cover up several important cable passthroughs), I unfortunately confused the ends of two identical SATA cables and ended up plugging the SSD and HDD together with one cable and two SATA ports with the other one. I noticed it when trying to install the OS and only the ODD showed up. Now, to unplug the SATA cables from the motherboard I had to remove the GPU, and because we tried to save every penny back then (I already advised him 100€ over budget to get something actually decent), we used a case that was so cheap and small that in order to remove the GPU I had to remove the HDD first, as I actually couldn't reach the retention clip on the PCIe slot otherwise 😖 lesson learned: mark identical cables on both ends!
@@LRM12o8 yeah other than that 1 thing it was pretty easy, plus there’s a huge space next to the power supply to shove cables into. Makes it super easy to just hide all the cables.
@@LRM12o8 No such thing as a type C internal connector, it's a 3.2gen2 connector. Can easily have type C port as one of the 3.2gen1 ports or do a type A 3.2gen2 (supposedly they exist).
They have the same issu. there was a LTT video where they compared a 3090 to a 6900xt and both tripped the opp of the PSU that they used. (Both where factory overclocked cards)
I appreciate this build and specs so much! I'm running the 10900K with a GIG 3070. Initially purchased this same small cooler from NZXT(1st PC build), and they actually warned me it might not be enough cooling for that high of a processor. Kudos to them for the warning, but after this exquisite testing from GN(as usual), I guess i can run this power house in an ITX with a smaller rad. Appreciate the videos as always. Doing the gamer Lords work!
I have three H1 v1’s in my household and went through the entire nylon screw and riser replacement. They even replaced the replacement riser with multiple holes for me with the “better” version with the single version. 20 months after ownership the AIO has packed up. Pump was still spinning at 4000+rpm and I believe the block was all gunked up due to poor internal design of the radiator. A quick visit to their chat support and they have dispatched me a replacement AIO. Note that the warranty for the AIO is three years and all other parts are two years (atleast in Europe). Also you don’t get a full three years on the replacement AIO and it is not an upgraded replacement (like the riser). The warranty just continues until the end of the three year mark. When the replacement AIO packs up again, I will aircool it or move on to a different case. I love my H1 v1 with its custom front metal vented metal grill and I get great temps with a Ryzen 3600, Asus TUF 3070 (with undervolt) and an upgraded Noctua 140mm chromax AIO fan. No need to strap on all these external case fans. Just a shame about the quality of some of it parts but atleast NZXT have acted and improved things with the V2. They still should have offered a vented front grill as an optional item.
I liked the look of the H1, luckily I found out about the fire issue before I bought it and ended up going down the Meshy route instead, given the H1 v2, I'm still pretty happy with that decision..
Just built a system in the H1 V2. 12700 and a tuf 3080 OC. I am using the aorus b660i pro. The temperatures have been excellent. Under 60 for the cpu under heavy gaming load. Great machine. And great case.
When you need a fire extinguisher in your room Supposedly Lovelace is going to use 400-600W so that will probably need a fire extinguisher within close reach as well.
@@Khloya69 More importantly however, they don't stop to think that even 400W is way, way too much power draw. Not even for environmental reasons, just the power bill and heat.
Liquid cooled GPUs with modified vBIOSes could do that for a long time now. My old 1080Ti on a custom loop with an XOC vBIOS was hitting ~520w averages at max loads. My friends liquid cooled XOC vBIOSed 2080Ti hits smth like 550w. My other friends 3090 hits 600w with the same deal. Pretty much nothing new apart from Nvidia realizing that power capping cards to all heck is stupid.
@@michelvanbriemen3459 Assuming a billing of 0.1$/kWh, an hour of gaming at 400W power draw will cost 0.04$, make that a total of 100 hours in a month and you get 4 dollars a month for 100 hours of gaming. Not bad at all
tl;dr: NZXT stood behind their AIO after almost two years and they deserve credit in my particular case. A note on NZXT's customer support and standing behind their product. I purchased two H1's in June '20. In Nov. '21 I noticed the AIO fan ramping up at idle and determined the pump was malfunctioning. NZXT offered to RMI the AIO even though I had been using the case for over a year, but I declined because its operation returned to normal after tilting the radiator down a few times--I thought perhaps just an airlock. The issue returned after a dust cleaning session and after almost two years of using the case, NZXT *still* RMI'd the AIO and I have installed the new one they provided.
Came to watch this video 4 MONTHS AFTER buying the V2 (the PRO version was on sale at that time). I wasn't aware of the "fire" issue plaguing the product, nor did I bother to do some research other than what other PRE-BUILT computers I can buy out there for my budget. I also didn't care about any of the components other than the GPU (PRO came with 3060ti) since -- as someone coming from playing on a 5-year old Helios 300 laptop, anything up to date is better IMO. I'm really happy with it. I guess I am one of their target customers. Even after knowing the issue/s of the first Gen, I didn't bother returning it.
Really needed this, love my h1 v1 and I did get a new riser cable quickly from nzxt but it did get toasty and pretty loud sometimes. The upgraded power supply, fan on the back of the case, additional usb on top, gen 4 riser cable and larger space for upgrades I can’t afford made this appealing to me. Price seems steep but glad to see this is heading is a more positive direction than the v1 case, at some point I’ll look into picking one up.
I built in the NZXT H1 V2 with a Ryzen 7 5800X and AMD RX 7800 XT all at stock settings. It's black & green screening with hard crashes to restart most frequently during high-power draw gaming scenarios. I'm using known good RAM and MemTest86/Prime 95 aren't generating any errors. I've updated windows, clean installed windows, tried running BIOS settings 100% stock with no SAM or DOCP. I updated the BIOS, chipset drivers, used DDU to try different graphics card drivers using driver only and/or the full AMD Adrenaline software. I've also disabled fast boot and done some other basic troubleshooting. My GPU temps are normal for AMD cards and the CPU is 50's/60's when crashing. It doesn't crash my PC when i'm benchmarking the Ryzen 7 5800X bumping up on 90C in Prime 95 or Cinebench 2024. Event Viewer is showing WHEA 18, WHEA 46, and Kernal Power 41. I've built several similar PC's and although issues aren't uncommon this one seems a lot like the low tier included NZXT H1 V2 750 watt power supply can't handle transient spikes. I'll figure out soon enough what the culprit is but to my knowledge the 7800 XT transient spikes aren't as drastic as RTX 30 series transient spikes. It seems like a 750w (although SFX) PSU should be able to handle the transient spikes of a 250watt GPU.
It's a pity that everyone focused on the PCI raiser and not a single word about the PSU and the pump. Many people complain about the noise already without a computer load.The pump can be controlled by DC on the motherboard but still audible. The fan in the PSU is constantly spinning.
@Gamers Nexus I have seen various reports with the H1 v1 AIOs block starting to get all gunked up causing the CPU to overheat. I believe this has something to do with the poor finish of the metals in the radiator and /or coolant used. Not sure how widespread this is but I think it may be worth you taking a look and maybe advising on how fix the issue or effectively air cool instead. Owners do get a three year warranty on the AIO and they can of course get it replaced by NZXT for free as long as they don’t open the unit. Problem is that the replacement AIOs are identical and have not been improved in anyway like the risers. Maybe this is an issue with AIO’s in general and not specific to this model. I just had the expectation that a sealed AIO would last 4-5 years.
I told my friend to pick this one up during Black Friday 2022. Was 200$, which for an SFF case, cooler, and power supply begins to look like a real bargain. Its also VERY easy to build in for a case of it's size. For those willing to spend more than 200, I think the SSUPD, DAN Liquid, and Formd T1 are clearly superior (But require far more work and planning). Shame the GN team just isn't super hot on SFF cases!
Do these transient load issues exist with AMD RX 6000 Series cards as well? If not, could you then just pair this with a 6800 xt or 6900 xt to get similar performance to the RTX 3080/3090 that may or may not work? I just like the idea of a small box like this with the power to run anything
Honestly, I NEVER even opened the package containing the replacement riser cable for the H1. The moment I heard about the problem, I ordered a (considerably more-costly) riser cable from a more reputable company, and one that only makes cables. As for the H2...or ANY NZXT case...is that I will probably never buy another NZXT case.
Pretty lame completely boycotting a company because of one mistake, despite resolving the problem. That said, I won't buy NZXT cases because they cost too much. Many equally efficient cases available for less.
@@HardPumpers It wasn't one mistake. It was a cascading series of mistakes relating to one fire hazard. If they had responded acceptably to knowledge of the fire hazard, no one would be mad. But they played stupid games with people's lives, and they won stupid prizes in the form of their torpedoed reputation.
@@HardPumpers In addition to everything CptJistuce said (which is 💯% accurate, NZXT did *NOT* 'resolve' the problem...they only CLAIMED to. Yes, they did come up with a riser cable that WOULD have completely resolved the problem, and they sent 'pre-production samples' to several media sources (including Gamers Nexus), but these 'pre-production samples' we're just a ruse. Something you are either completely unaware of, or are purposely ignoring, is that the "samples" sent to media sources were PURPOSELY created to present FALSE information. NZXT knew that the media sources would test these 'replacement riser cables', and report to all their followers that the replacement cables were of "superior quality", and were guaranteed to resolve the problem. However, when it came to shipping the actual replacement cables to consumers, the cables shipped were NOT the same as those previously shipped to Media sources. Although they were better than the original riser cables, they were seriously inferior to the "samples" sent to the media sources.
I honestly think they did great with this version, 'Mini-ITX tax' aside!! Steve is one hard guy to impress... "... it's fine, to good even... depending on..." 🤣
there's an issue going around with the NZXT H1 where the stock aios quickly develop (like 1 year or so) some sort of sediment inside them that destroys thermal performance (think 60 degC cpu idle temperature) would be nice if a big channel could highlight it
To add a recommendation to Steve's list of ITX alternatives, take a gander at Silverstone. The SG-14, while large for an ITX case, fits almost anything you want to, including s 3-slot GPU and an ATX PSU. The SG-13 is significantly smaller, comes in a mesh/flow version, but will fit "only" a 2-slot GPU, a rather short (150mm) PSU, and you will find CPU cooling a challenge unless you use water. The LD03-AF is closer to the NZXT H1 in look and feel, and fits reasonably sized components, but goes SFX (L).
I think for this case a 3070ti is the best option if you do not want to replace the PSU with a Siverstone SX1000 (pricey). If you do not mind replacing the preinstalled 750w with a Silverstone SX1000 (including rerouting cables and all) then you are safe to go for a 3080ti or higher with no issues. But again, I would stick with 3070ti for this case and then upgrade to 4070ti when available next year.
I’m still using the H1 v1 (with nylon screws) for my 3070 and i7 12700 (limited to 130w). Its main weakness in 2022 is the 140 mm aio. my other itx case, the ssupd meshlicious fits a 240 aio, and my evga 3080ti. I’m considering buying another meshlicious to replace the h1. However I have more issues with hdmi cables on the meshlicious.
Seems like a good case if mini-ITX is something you are looking for and you dont want to totally custom build it. Good thing they did V2, bad that it took so long and only after so much backlash.
9:02: "we measured a hole diameter of 3.4mm with a 1.7mm spacing" You should clarify that the 1.7mm is not the hole spacing but rather the width of metal between the holes. The actual hole spacing is 3.4 + 1.7 = 5.1mm for the V1 and 4.9 + 1.7 = 6.6mm for the V2. The % air to metal is: (3.4/2)^2*pi / (3.4+1.7)^2 = 34.91% (4.9/2)^2*pi / (4.9+1.7)^2 = 43.29%
A good looking case with a small footprint. Personally, I love it. However, I don't want to pay for the CLC when I already have an air cooler that would almost certainly fit and actually perform better.
Steve, can the PSU be replaced with the Cooler Master V850 SFX because it's better, quieter and it gives me a little overhead, and peace of mind with 3090? EDIT: Or should I just pick Fractal Torrent Nano, which can fit a normal ATX PSU?
I don’t know if this case brings enough to the table for the price point. The SSUPD Meshlicious has just as much cooling, can fit full size ATX psus, a triple slot gpu and 240 aios all at the same time. I do appreciate the small footprint though.
May have launched at 400, but it's only 250 bucks in my place right now. Sweet deal considering I'm low on space and it includes CLC, power supply and fans already.
Glad to see nzxt went above and beyond on the pcie riser cable. hopefully that becomes their standard moving forward. For what it's worth, it's possible to get sfx psu's that can handle the nvidia transients. I have a corsair SF750 powering a ryzen 9 5900x and a rtx 3080 ti with no issues even when maxing out cpu and gpu usage. Interesting case, but I prefer my nr200p
NZXT never sent me my replacement parts for my H1, even after emailing them about it after they said they sent out replacement parts - no response. Hopefully it doesn't catch on fire!
Interesting .. I run a 5800X and 3080 XC3 in the H1 V1 I’ve never run into issues with the power supply. Perhaps my variant is a better fit for this build. Maybe test is with some other cards? 6900XT, 3080FE.. alternatively, maybe a small under volt would be something worth considering. none the less, great review!
My TUF 3080 has occasionally caused my Seasonic Platinum Focus 750w PSU to shut off too. I thought it was the card going bad, but it turns out that's the only PSU it has this problem with. My older Seasonic Focus Gold Focus 850W never had this issue. I'd probably recommend the SSUPD Meshlicious as a good alternative to the H1, but you have to buy your own components.
Had my h1 v2 for a couple of weeks now, no power issues so far with a ryzen 5 3600, x570 and rtx 3080 asus rog strix combo. But i wouldn't mine if the front panel was a mesh insteed of glass, it properly would help a bit with the temps of the gpu.
why would you rather set fan curves in bios? i have specificaly bought corsair commander pro for my current build just to be able to set curves and monitor temps (it has 4 sensors) without having to constantly restart
Would you consider the following methodology for testing mini-ITX cases? Instead of having standardized parts, use a standardized reference case - something like a full tower with well established good airflow. For each mini-ITX case, put together a build that you feel is appropriate for the case, collect thermal data, and then install the same parts into your reference case and collect thermal data in that. Show a bar chart of the different deltas among mini-ITX cases between their thermals and their build's thermals in the reference case. It would show us if the equipment is actively being choked by the mini-ITX case, and by how much (a 'normal' amount of choking among mini-ITX cases, or something especially sealed up, or something that essentially has the same airflow or better than in a well-ventilated full-tower). Same approach for sound, especially if there is also a spectrogram for what is getting thru in the mini-ITX build. I've definitely been interested in the mini-ITX cases, and would be happy to see this kind of content on your channel.
Okay, I want to know who is in charge of making the thumbnails for the video. because they are having a lot of fun with it and I enjoy them immensely :D Cheers guys!
I liked the V1 and was planning to build a PC for my father in it...until SSUPD Meshilicious came out. Was a joy to build in it and thermals are just mind blowing for such a small case.
I am fine with none standard dimension part so long as they are made available for individual purchase into the future for a price comparable to an in standard part. In my state "lifetime" legally means 7 years, if I recall correctly, and that seems like a reasonable minimum parts availability time. Of course, buyers should be able to freely register the product and be given ample warning of when replacement parts may no longer be available in case they want to purchase a replacement before the support ends.
Whats with the craze of having the smallest case possible and potentially sacrificing cooling and thus performance? I absolutely love my Rosewill Thor v2 with it's massive cooling and I really like it's dominating presence. There are small planets that have entered it's orbit
Right?? Gigabyte just ain’t the same anymore. Friend of mine bought x570 board from them and the board’s ram slots started dying within a year. Poor computer was on life support running on one ram stick. Sometimes it wouldn’t post, or would randomly crash his computer especially playing vr. He was not happy lol.
I just recently bought the Fractal Torrent Compact if I drill out a couple of tiny holes and put a grommet in at the bottom of my matx motherboard do you think it would mess with thermals any? I'm talking maybe a 2" or less hole for running cables to the bottom. I will wait till I hear something back before I act.
Because of Fractal's recall response, I actually bought one of their cases. A company that is willing to admit a failure and take action on it immediately is a company I trust! I will never buy a NZXT case until they show that they learned from their lesson.
I've been using Fractal cases for a good while and so far not a single complaint. Sure they cost a bit more but they are so sturdy that you can probably use one case for 3 consecutive builds. fan placement makes sense, plenty of place for drives, dust filters? Yeah, sign me up for Fractal until I die or they stop producing cases.
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NZXT's original fire issues demonstrated: th-cam.com/video/fjUscSRLwks/w-d-xo.html
X-Raying the NZXT H1 riser: th-cam.com/video/c9PlibqsBWg/w-d-xo.html
My H1 rev1 has been doing fine post recall. NZXT even sent me a free replacement glass panel after It scratched mine. Yes I'd probably Consider the rev2 case but not at $350-380
Had no interest in the original H1. This one I'd actually consider using, but honestly with the SuppD Meshlicious I don't see why I'd go with the H1 V2. The Meshlicious is more compact and supports 280 AIOs. I also rather supply my own cooler and power supply.
I think they initially responded poorly but seem to be working to change things. I bought a Creator PC from them last year (10900k, 64GB mem, EVGA 3090 FTW3) and it’s been perfect. I’ve been building my own since the 286sx days (the IBM XT doesn’t count as a build to me 😂) so I haven’t had any need for their support but overall I’m happy with what I got for the money. I recommended them to some other people who don’t have any real experience with hardware and they have been problem free as well with their custom builds. If not for the original H1 issue I wouldn’t have any reservations buying from them at all.
@@RojasTKD7 cool story. Not relevant.
@@Xfade81 Than you for your opinion. Have a nice day.
Up there with the coveted "It's better than Dell" award is the "It doesn't catch fire or explode award"
There's the MSI pre built two videos ago so now the award is "It's better than MSI"
@@BrianBBBB *Insert clip of Steve burying Lucky the dragon*
"it's better than Gigabyte award"
Better then gigabyte ?
Should make an actual sticker or trophy with that
You deserve some kind of bug bounty reward for all the issues you discover. Thank you for the fantastic journalism.
And instead companies want to try and blacklist gn from reviewing their product, only to get literally worse! See: Asrock and its temper tantrums XD
He makes plenty off you sheep with merchandise and ad revenue
@@alec57 sheep? sorry for not wanting power supplys that catch on fire
@Jason Fitch I mean he did do something with new egg recently so it’s not all for nothing
@Jason Fitch you described yourself lmao. Imagine criticizing information you dont easily get.
I thought the old version in white kind of looked like a miniature popcorn machine at the movies, then I realized that making popcorn might actually be possible with that pcie riser.
While it is possible to use the original H1 in that way. I wouldn't recommend to the popcorn. The burning plastic might release harmful compounds.
I mean there's a health condition called 'popcorn lung' relating to the toxicity of the fake butter in microwave popcorn, melted plastic may be preferable after all!
@@ResilientME Haha, I had no idea. That's crazy. We really do like to poison ourselves for profit.
With the full break room fire alarm experience
@@ResilientME they dont use the flavouring that caused it anymore
As someone who bought an early H1 (and I really like it!) I appreciate you all keeping NZXT in check and resolving issues. I was a bit behind the curve on what was going on until I received a replacement riser which I credit you guys for making happen.
I really like the case, except the one USB-A on top is a pain and thermals are a bit sketchy at times. I've taken to using a desk fan pointed at the GPU intake for when I'm gaming just for my own peace of mind, even though I'm using a 3070 and haven't had any issues. I was one of the people that loved the idea of this case because it came with CPU cooler and PSU prewired...I hate building in small form factor but love the size.
GN: "What testing should we add next?"
NZXT: "How about Fire Testing!"
People have reported NZXT downgrading the Seasonic PSU that V1 originally came with to some unknown PSU. NZXT didn't even disclose which PSU the V2 comes with this time (NZXT doesn't have SFX PSUs, it's just a label) and shutting off with 3080 doesn't inspire confidence. It's not even the SFX issue, Corsair's SF750 doesn't do that, for example.
The best alternative for H1 would be SSUPD Meshlicious, slightly smaller, also very small footprint, with similar or better cooling, better HW compatibility (you're not stuck with that AIO) and cheaper when comparing case price alone, without cooler and PSU...
Meshlicious is a fantastic case, I run mine with a 9700k and 3080 and it conveniently is perfect for a deshroud mod on a gpu, my fans are directly up against the mesh.
I think the NR200p is the best overall mini ITX and a good alternative. its got a sideways profile instead of upright though.
Thanks for the recommendations. Will consider them!
@@Time_Traveling_Lesbian I think the nr200p is a great case, I used to have one but I switched to a meshlicious. The main problem for me was that it was just large enough to struggle to fit into small luggage’s, and as a college student I want to fly with my computer so I downsized into a meshlicious. It’s still a good case though, but it’s worth noting for anyone who wants to fly with their pc
I love the Meshlicious case. I dont want the H1 case cuz it has a preassembled AIO that is not standard. If is broken or not working anymore u cant even find one in the internet to buy it. Even in NZXT webpage. that sucks
It’s great to see NZXT improve other aspects of the case while fixing the fire hazard issue.
I'm suprised they did not call it H2. I guess they still have H1 V1 inventory out there in the wild needing to be sold and they did not want people to be able to easily separate both cases lol
H2: Hydrogen is a colorless, odorless gas. It is easily ignited. (Molecular Formula H2)
H1V1 confused me for a moment. Then I realised H1N1 is swine flu.
@@HecticTrainGuy Oh, now I get why H1Z1 is called that.
H1 V1.1 would've been better
H2 is the bigger one
I've had the v1 for over a year now with a 5800x and a hybrid 3080 with the 650w psu. So far not once crash or shut down due to power.
Really happy with the case to be honest. Good changes with this one. But I prefer my smaller one
I have since gotten a super cheap 3090 and still running the same system, still no issues with the power supply. But the AIO failed and NZXT does not replace it anymore.
@@flatmotion1 What options did they give you as alternatives to replacing your AIO?
@@ph0ftvv I sent it in for warranty but instead of sending me a new cooler they sent me a new case which I didn't want. I went with the noctua nh-l12s ghost s1 to accommodate for a 140x30mm fan. Temps idle around 40-42 and in gaming around 60
@@flatmotion1 Did you get a (partial?) refund on the H1 V1 because the AIO should have been covered under warranty? The temps with the L12S sound pretty good, it's something I've been struggling with for my 5900X. How loud does it get, compared to the H1 AIO for example?
@@ph0ftvv no I didn't get a refund due to them sending me a new h1 v2. I requested my defective cooler back so I can fix it myself.
I did undervolt the 5800x3d for better temps.
Since the cooler works better than the aio it's in fact quieter but ab aftermarket Fan would be regardless, I ditched the stock fan
This is the review i waited for this case. Other reviews are non-comparable to Steve's.
Meeee tooo I don’t buy until Steve
@@peterjazii6925 Its STEVE, or NOTHING
I'm hoping to build a computer with my kids. I've learned a ton watching your videos. Thank you
If you've never done it yet, there's actually a quite viable pdf manual available from NZXT for free as part of the build-it-yourself BLD kit they have. It's not guaranteed to be perfect for everyone, but Jayz2cents did a test build where they got a complete newbie in to test it, and he managed it with only asking 1-2 questions to the pros. That despite Jay having...basically no capacity to wait without goofing around massively. I've breezed through it myself, and, while I don't recommend it as your only source of information, it's definitely a solid source to draw on, even without having a kit where each component is in Box A, Box B and so on for ease of identification.
This is assuming you're looking to guarantee you get everything right and are working with more expensive stuff. My first computer build was some DOS-era machine cobbled together out of archaic spare parts my Dad still had in the storeroom - stuff that was sufficiently obsolete that it really didn't matter if it wound up broken. I think we'd just upgraded to Windows 98 or something at the time, so I'd have been maybe 10 or so? But he took a very hands off approach - he explained things like "this is the motherboard, it's the hub everything else connects to" and "that goes directly on the motherboard, do you see a slot that looks like it would fit?" It was a great experience, and the computer did boot to DOS as intended when I was done, but...there was room for me to turn things around and experiment and treat it like a weird jigsaw puzzle because A: I had someone watching who could point out things like "be careful with the CPU pins, they're very delicate" and B: if I did screw it up and break something, it didn't matter.
(It's amazing how much things have changed over the years, though - back in those days, there were "sister boards" that filled up most of the PCI slots. (And yes, no e. PCIe was not a thing yet One was what passed for a video card in those days...which is to say, it translated the digital video output from the CPU to an analogue signal to be sent to a CRT monitor. One was a sound card, because onboard sound was limited to the monotone buzzer used primarily for error codes when the motherboard is detecting major problems. One was a board with extra memory slots, because the motherboard's 2 SIMM slots could only handle about 32 kB of RAM and we wanted more like 128kB. And one, to this day, I have no idea what it did. It was a board with a few chips on it. Don't recall it having any outputs or anything else. Also....this was a full tower case and the motherboard basically occupied the entire thing top to bottom along the side of the case that now houses the back panel. And we plugged in the hard drive (which was something like a hundred megabytes? It was a pretty late-gen DOS computer, so not quite as absurd as the 256kB hard drives you hear some talk about) and the 5-1/4 inch floppy drive via 40-strand IDE cables, great ribbons that stretched across the case. ...And for all that's changed, the 24 pin motherboard power plug...looks pretty much the exact same. Generally with more aesthetically pleasing plastic on the plug than the natural off-white colour back then, but it's still a great honking cable that's entirely unwieldy.)
Whatever you do, don't start with an ITX build! It's a ton of hassle to get everything connected and fitting in such a way that the case can be closed (whatever ITX case it might be). You don't want to expose children to the kinds of curses usually uttered in this kind of building process.
It's wild to me how so many people want NZXT products despite how poorly they have handled their myriad issues. At least they seem to be trying to improve now.
Marketing is a hell of a drug sometimes.
Good marketing I guess
I own a H440 and a Kraken X62, still a great case and the cooler used to be among the best before Arctic Liquid Freezer launched. So clearly used to be capable of making awesome products. That's why I have high hopes they'll turn things around for the better in the future.
I know people have had some bad experiences along with occasional PR mishaps but I came from iBUYPOWER which IMO was horrific. Not entirely that is, but quality control was so bad on my first PC. Turned me off for years. My new 5950x + 3080 build is very nice and support has been mostly great minus refusing to make a somewhat last minute RAM swap, which I personally thought was a little ridiculous but oh well. That being said I initially wanted this case but went for 710i instead and vented panels to help airflow. Wasn’t gonna make that mistake.
I like the h1 look. Unless you can recommend something that looks similar and comes in white I'm all ears
Not the case for me but good job NZXT for stepping up with this refresh and update. Glad to see they took the right steps.
I really look forward to your content daily. It's honest, hilarious, and super informative. Big fan here! I was dying when the New Egg stuff was going on because at one point, no video came out for like a week lol. Heading to the store to support GN. The products you guys put together look awesome.
Super happy with my H1 V1. I have it hot rodded with slim back panel fans and the temps are great. If I had to get a new case, it would be the V2, since it's not that much bigger in dimensions but has better cooling.
I just opened the box on this yesterday for my daughter's desktop. Awesome 👌
Solid review, as always, nice to see NZXT not fouling it up this time.
I bought that case in my country for £230 and it's the one what comes with the power supply and the AIO.
Around this time last year I had an original NZXT H1. I immediately returned it to Amazon after seeing the initial coverage. Thank you Steve & team for bringing the fire issue to light.
I liked the original H1, great layout, excellent design, very noob friendly. Unfortunately NZXT’s response to the fire issue has been less than ideal, and I’m staying away from them until them until they have a proven track record of being a responsible company, not just when the world is staring at them.
Love your work man!!!
It's very funny to me that this whole PR nightmare would have just vanished like poof if they just dealt with the issue properly recalling the bunk risers and sending new ones out.
Just got around to watching the first part earlier today, pretty impecable timing guys 😂👍
what are the odds haha, was looking at this case on my phone about an hour ago just to come back to my pc and see this. Interesting.
What if we knew!?
@@GamersNexus Mark? Mr zuck?
Love the new Xbox case! I mean PC… it’s nice, like a puzzle to put together. I would say problem resolved, i would feel fine with a case purchase from them. Great review, like the thermals.
Best mini itx case I have ever used! 13700k overclocked 5.9g 6900xt absolutely no issues ddr5 6800.
good to see that they finally figured out that one USB3 connector contains the contacts for two ports, it's such a frustrating design decision to not break both of them out
Especially since the internal USB C connector is still not widely adopted. I recently built a PC for a friend based on 10th or 11th gen intel in a NZXT case and the board he chose doesn't have a USB-C internal connector, so I had to leave part of the front panel unconnected. Very dissatisfying!
I must say that building inside this case was the smoothest experience I've ever had. Part of this was due to there being no RGB fans/controllers and no SATA drives for sure, but the cable management of NZXT cases is really excellent.
@@LRM12o8 the only problem I’ve had with SATA drives in their cases (specifically with the 2.5” drives in the h500/510) is that they only give 90° connectors meaning that if you put a drive in the side of the case (where the 2.5” drives are supposed to go) it’s extremely difficult to get the SATA cable plugged in.
@@myrealusername2193 Yeah, that can be annoying. Not having angled plugs can also be annoying in other cases.
But my point was more that having no SATA drives actually significantly reduced the amount of wires I needed to manage. Plus, the 3.5" and 2.5 bays in the cases I've worked with in the past were either difficult to access or tricky to cable manage, so it did really make the build much quicker and easier.
In fact, last time I built a PC for the very same guy, I lost like two hours troubleshooting and fixing a build error, because while I pre-routed all cables before inserting the motherboard (which would cover up several important cable passthroughs), I unfortunately confused the ends of two identical SATA cables and ended up plugging the SSD and HDD together with one cable and two SATA ports with the other one. I noticed it when trying to install the OS and only the ODD showed up. Now, to unplug the SATA cables from the motherboard I had to remove the GPU, and because we tried to save every penny back then (I already advised him 100€ over budget to get something actually decent), we used a case that was so cheap and small that in order to remove the GPU I had to remove the HDD first, as I actually couldn't reach the retention clip on the PCIe slot otherwise 😖
lesson learned: mark identical cables on both ends!
@@LRM12o8 yeah other than that 1 thing it was pretty easy, plus there’s a huge space next to the power supply to shove cables into. Makes it super easy to just hide all the cables.
@@LRM12o8 No such thing as a type C internal connector, it's a 3.2gen2 connector. Can easily have type C port as one of the 3.2gen1 ports or do a type A 3.2gen2 (supposedly they exist).
As of a year ago I knew nothing about pc's thanks to you guys I've learned so much, Thank you and keep up the great work!
Love to see this tested with an AMD card to see if they get bursty transient load issues with the PSU
They have the same issu. there was a LTT video where they compared a 3090 to a 6900xt and both tripped the opp of the PSU that they used.
(Both where factory overclocked cards)
Yes I would have liked to have also seen a 6800xt in this review for comparison.
Thanks for the Disappointment tee Steve! Love this channel, and the work y’all do
I appreciate this build and specs so much! I'm running the 10900K with a GIG 3070. Initially purchased this same small cooler from NZXT(1st PC build), and they actually warned me it might not be enough cooling for that high of a processor. Kudos to them for the warning, but after this exquisite testing from GN(as usual), I guess i can run this power house in an ITX with a smaller rad. Appreciate the videos as always. Doing the gamer Lords work!
I have three H1 v1’s in my household and went through the entire nylon screw and riser replacement. They even replaced the replacement riser with multiple holes for me with the “better” version with the single version.
20 months after ownership the AIO has packed up. Pump was still spinning at 4000+rpm and I believe the block was all gunked up due to poor internal design of the radiator.
A quick visit to their chat support and they have dispatched me a replacement AIO.
Note that the warranty for the AIO is three years and all other parts are two years (atleast in Europe).
Also you don’t get a full three years on the replacement AIO and it is not an upgraded replacement (like the riser). The warranty just continues until the end of the three year mark.
When the replacement AIO packs up again, I will aircool it or move on to a different case.
I love my H1 v1 with its custom front metal vented metal grill and I get great temps with a Ryzen 3600, Asus TUF 3070 (with undervolt) and an upgraded Noctua 140mm chromax AIO fan. No need to strap on all these external case fans.
Just a shame about the quality of some of it parts but atleast NZXT have acted and improved things with the V2. They still should have offered a vented front grill as an optional item.
I liked the look of the H1, luckily I found out about the fire issue before I bought it and ended up going down the Meshy route instead, given the H1 v2, I'm still pretty happy with that decision..
Same
I am glad they stepped up. That's awesome!
Just built a system in the H1 V2. 12700 and a tuf 3080 OC. I am using the aorus b660i pro. The temperatures have been excellent. Under 60 for the cpu under heavy gaming load. Great machine. And great case.
When you need a fire extinguisher in your room
Supposedly Lovelace is going to use 400-600W so that will probably need a fire extinguisher within close reach as well.
People act like that’s a huge increase, 3090s already get close to 500, power limit on mine is like 480.
@@Khloya69 More importantly however, they don't stop to think that even 400W is way, way too much power draw. Not even for environmental reasons, just the power bill and heat.
@@michelvanbriemen3459 i do not value the environment. MORE POWER BABY
Liquid cooled GPUs with modified vBIOSes could do that for a long time now. My old 1080Ti on a custom loop with an XOC vBIOS was hitting ~520w averages at max loads. My friends liquid cooled XOC vBIOSed 2080Ti hits smth like 550w. My other friends 3090 hits 600w with the same deal.
Pretty much nothing new apart from Nvidia realizing that power capping cards to all heck is stupid.
@@michelvanbriemen3459 Assuming a billing of 0.1$/kWh, an hour of gaming at 400W power draw will cost 0.04$, make that a total of 100 hours in a month and you get 4 dollars a month for 100 hours of gaming. Not bad at all
Paul Lilly! I've known that guy since the LR days, and other forums as well. Great to see his name on an article, if not an older one! :)
just bought this for 199 at best buy on 11/21/2023! looking forward to the build!
How is the psu?
tl;dr: NZXT stood behind their AIO after almost two years and they deserve credit in my particular case.
A note on NZXT's customer support and standing behind their product. I purchased two H1's in June '20. In Nov. '21 I noticed the AIO fan ramping up at idle and determined the pump was malfunctioning. NZXT offered to RMI the AIO even though I had been using the case for over a year, but I declined because its operation returned to normal after tilting the radiator down a few times--I thought perhaps just an airlock. The issue returned after a dust cleaning session and after almost two years of using the case, NZXT *still* RMI'd the AIO and I have installed the new one they provided.
Came to watch this video 4 MONTHS AFTER buying the V2 (the PRO version was on sale at that time). I wasn't aware of the "fire" issue plaguing the product, nor did I bother to do some research other than what other PRE-BUILT computers I can buy out there for my budget. I also didn't care about any of the components other than the GPU (PRO came with 3060ti) since -- as someone coming from playing on a 5-year old Helios 300 laptop, anything up to date is better IMO. I'm really happy with it. I guess I am one of their target customers. Even after knowing the issue/s of the first Gen, I didn't bother returning it.
Really needed this, love my h1 v1 and I did get a new riser cable quickly from nzxt but it did get toasty and pretty loud sometimes. The upgraded power supply, fan on the back of the case, additional usb on top, gen 4 riser cable and larger space for upgrades I can’t afford made this appealing to me. Price seems steep but glad to see this is heading is a more positive direction than the v1 case, at some point I’ll look into picking one up.
It's been great to me so far!
I built in the NZXT H1 V2 with a Ryzen 7 5800X and AMD RX 7800 XT all at stock settings. It's black & green screening with hard crashes to restart most frequently during high-power draw gaming scenarios. I'm using known good RAM and MemTest86/Prime 95 aren't generating any errors. I've updated windows, clean installed windows, tried running BIOS settings 100% stock with no SAM or DOCP. I updated the BIOS, chipset drivers, used DDU to try different graphics card drivers using driver only and/or the full AMD Adrenaline software. I've also disabled fast boot and done some other basic troubleshooting. My GPU temps are normal for AMD cards and the CPU is 50's/60's when crashing. It doesn't crash my PC when i'm benchmarking the Ryzen 7 5800X bumping up on 90C in Prime 95 or Cinebench 2024.
Event Viewer is showing WHEA 18, WHEA 46, and Kernal Power 41. I've built several similar PC's and although issues aren't uncommon this one seems a lot like the low tier included NZXT H1 V2 750 watt power supply can't handle transient spikes. I'll figure out soon enough what the culprit is but to my knowledge the 7800 XT transient spikes aren't as drastic as RTX 30 series transient spikes. It seems like a 750w (although SFX) PSU should be able to handle the transient spikes of a 250watt GPU.
NZXT cases are still lovely anyway, ive been falling in love since its original Phantom white ❤️
It's a pity that everyone focused on the PCI raiser and not a single word about the PSU and the pump. Many people complain about the noise already without a computer load.The pump can be controlled by DC on the motherboard but still audible. The fan in the PSU is constantly spinning.
@Gamers Nexus
I have seen various reports with the H1 v1 AIOs block starting to get all gunked up causing the CPU to overheat. I believe this has something to do with the poor finish of the metals in the radiator and /or coolant used.
Not sure how widespread this is but I think it may be worth you taking a look and maybe advising on how fix the issue or effectively air cool instead.
Owners do get a three year warranty on the AIO and they can of course get it replaced by NZXT for free as long as they don’t open the unit.
Problem is that the replacement AIOs are identical and have not been improved in anyway like the risers.
Maybe this is an issue with AIO’s in general and not specific to this model. I just had the expectation that a sealed AIO would last 4-5 years.
I told my friend to pick this one up during Black Friday 2022. Was 200$, which for an SFF case, cooler, and power supply begins to look like a real bargain. Its also VERY easy to build in for a case of it's size. For those willing to spend more than 200, I think the SSUPD, DAN Liquid, and Formd T1 are clearly superior (But require far more work and planning).
Shame the GN team just isn't super hot on SFF cases!
Do these transient load issues exist with AMD RX 6000 Series cards as well? If not, could you then just pair this with a 6800 xt or 6900 xt to get similar performance to the RTX 3080/3090 that may or may not work? I just like the idea of a small box like this with the power to run anything
Your review is solid as usual 😁
Honestly, I NEVER even opened the package containing the replacement riser cable for the H1. The moment I heard about the problem, I ordered a (considerably more-costly) riser cable from a more reputable company, and one that only makes cables. As for the H2...or ANY NZXT case...is that I will probably never buy another NZXT case.
Pretty lame completely boycotting a company because of one mistake, despite resolving the problem. That said, I won't buy NZXT cases because they cost too much. Many equally efficient cases available for less.
@@HardPumpers It wasn't one mistake. It was a cascading series of mistakes relating to one fire hazard.
If they had responded acceptably to knowledge of the fire hazard, no one would be mad. But they played stupid games with people's lives, and they won stupid prizes in the form of their torpedoed reputation.
@@HardPumpers In addition to everything CptJistuce said (which is 💯% accurate, NZXT did *NOT* 'resolve' the problem...they only CLAIMED to. Yes, they did come up with a riser cable that WOULD have completely resolved the problem, and they sent 'pre-production samples' to several media sources (including Gamers Nexus), but these 'pre-production samples' we're just a ruse.
Something you are either completely unaware of, or are purposely ignoring, is that the "samples" sent to media sources were PURPOSELY created to present FALSE information. NZXT knew that the media sources would test these 'replacement riser cables', and report to all their followers that the replacement cables were of "superior quality", and were guaranteed to resolve the problem. However, when it came to shipping the actual replacement cables to consumers, the cables shipped were NOT the same as those previously shipped to Media sources. Although they were better than the original riser cables, they were seriously inferior to the "samples" sent to the media sources.
@@HardPumpers Mistake? LOL. This is pure negligence. They knew and refused to fix it.
I honestly think they did great with this version, 'Mini-ITX tax' aside!!
Steve is one hard guy to impress... "... it's fine, to good even... depending on..." 🤣
there's an issue going around with the NZXT H1 where the stock aios quickly develop (like 1 year or so) some sort of sediment inside them that destroys thermal performance (think 60 degC cpu idle temperature)
would be nice if a big channel could highlight it
To add a recommendation to Steve's list of ITX alternatives, take a gander at Silverstone. The SG-14, while large for an ITX case, fits almost anything you want to, including s 3-slot GPU and an ATX PSU. The SG-13 is significantly smaller, comes in a mesh/flow version, but will fit "only" a 2-slot GPU, a rather short (150mm) PSU, and you will find CPU cooling a challenge unless you use water. The LD03-AF is closer to the NZXT H1 in look and feel, and fits reasonably sized components, but goes SFX (L).
I think for this case a 3070ti is the best option if you do not want to replace the PSU with a Siverstone SX1000 (pricey). If you do not mind replacing the preinstalled 750w with a Silverstone SX1000 (including rerouting cables and all) then you are safe to go for a 3080ti or higher with no issues. But again, I would stick with 3070ti for this case and then upgrade to 4070ti when available next year.
I’m still using the H1 v1 (with nylon screws) for my 3070 and i7 12700 (limited to 130w). Its main weakness in 2022 is the 140 mm aio. my other itx case, the ssupd meshlicious fits a 240 aio, and my evga 3080ti. I’m considering buying another meshlicious to replace the h1. However I have more issues with hdmi cables on the meshlicious.
Your work is the reason I have common sense. Thank you!
I recently purchased a v1 (with riser cable update) at microcenter for about $210. I think for that price it was a very good deal
Seems like a good case if mini-ITX is something you are looking for and you dont want to totally custom build it. Good thing they did V2, bad that it took so long and only after so much backlash.
9:02: "we measured a hole diameter of 3.4mm with a 1.7mm spacing"
You should clarify that the 1.7mm is not the hole spacing but rather the width of metal between the holes. The actual hole spacing is 3.4 + 1.7 = 5.1mm for the V1 and 4.9 + 1.7 = 6.6mm for the V2. The % air to metal is:
(3.4/2)^2*pi / (3.4+1.7)^2 = 34.91%
(4.9/2)^2*pi / (4.9+1.7)^2 = 43.29%
You'd have to be crazy to buy this case. So many better, original looking and more practical options.
A good looking case with a small footprint. Personally, I love it. However, I don't want to pay for the CLC when I already have an air cooler that would almost certainly fit and actually perform better.
Steve, can the PSU be replaced with the Cooler Master V850 SFX because it's better, quieter and it gives me a little overhead, and peace of mind with 3090?
EDIT: Or should I just pick Fractal Torrent Nano, which can fit a normal ATX PSU?
I don’t know if this case brings enough to the table for the price point. The SSUPD Meshlicious has just as much cooling, can fit full size ATX psus, a triple slot gpu and 240 aios all at the same time. I do appreciate the small footprint though.
While the meshilicious exists I can't think of a reason to choose this.
Did the fire extinguisher come with the case? Or is it a NZXT optional buy? Good work as always.
$400 was a terrible pricing point to launch, I ended up getting a V2 for $249 and love it. Running a 5800X3D & 7900XT with no issue.
Every detail in engineering components can be important. It's worth doing.
May have launched at 400, but it's only 250 bucks in my place right now. Sweet deal considering I'm low on space and it includes CLC, power supply and fans already.
Steve , I can confirm that the transient power spike on my RTX 3090 tripped my Seasonic Prime 750 OCP
Glad to see nzxt went above and beyond on the pcie riser cable. hopefully that becomes their standard moving forward. For what it's worth, it's possible to get sfx psu's that can handle the nvidia transients. I have a corsair SF750 powering a ryzen 9 5900x and a rtx 3080 ti with no issues even when maxing out cpu and gpu usage. Interesting case, but I prefer my nr200p
same config aside from the cpu ( 10900k is 250 w max ) & ....gpu..thx for the info, plan on having a 30 serie gpu soon
I have a SF750 and it powers my 3090FE and 5900X without any issues, and I watercooled the system and overclocked the 3090 easily
Good to see them finally doing good again
NZXT never sent me my replacement parts for my H1, even after emailing them about it after they said they sent out replacement parts - no response. Hopefully it doesn't catch on fire!
Dude don't use the riser cable/PCB. Don't use it! Watch the previous video and take note.
I still ended up buying my own nylon screwss and washers. Still haven't recieved the replacement kit... it's like 1.5 years ago...
Wow that's awful. Sounds like they've stopped caring about their older customers.
@@ThatKoukiZ31 whatever it is, never buying from them again
@@ethanwcheatham yeah agreed. Their stuff isn't that amazing anyway. No need to care about any risk to my self or my home.
yeah but I hope you can also discuss the aio issue. less than a year they have build ups in the pump and stop working.
Interesting .. I run a 5800X and 3080 XC3 in the H1 V1 I’ve never run into issues with the power supply. Perhaps my variant is a better fit for this build. Maybe test is with some other cards? 6900XT, 3080FE.. alternatively, maybe a small under volt would be something worth considering. none the less, great review!
My TUF 3080 has occasionally caused my Seasonic Platinum Focus 750w PSU to shut off too. I thought it was the card going bad, but it turns out that's the only PSU it has this problem with. My older Seasonic Focus Gold Focus 850W never had this issue. I'd probably recommend the SSUPD Meshlicious as a good alternative to the H1, but you have to buy your own components.
Had my h1 v2 for a couple of weeks now, no power issues so far with a ryzen 5 3600, x570 and rtx 3080 asus rog strix combo.
But i wouldn't mine if the front panel was a mesh insteed of glass, it properly would help a bit with the temps of the gpu.
I like this case, good on NZXT implementing the improvements
Did I miss the part of the case review where you covered whether AMD cards caused the same behavior with the power supply in the H1 V2?
why would you rather set fan curves in bios? i have specificaly bought corsair commander pro for my current build just to be able to set curves and monitor temps (it has 4 sensors) without having to constantly restart
If I was to ever do a mini-itx build, the H1 is more than likely what I'd want to use.
There a lot of other cases that are better and smaller : lian li Q58, meshlicious.
Would you consider the following methodology for testing mini-ITX cases?
Instead of having standardized parts, use a standardized reference case - something like a full tower with well established good airflow. For each mini-ITX case, put together a build that you feel is appropriate for the case, collect thermal data, and then install the same parts into your reference case and collect thermal data in that. Show a bar chart of the different deltas among mini-ITX cases between their thermals and their build's thermals in the reference case. It would show us if the equipment is actively being choked by the mini-ITX case, and by how much (a 'normal' amount of choking among mini-ITX cases, or something especially sealed up, or something that essentially has the same airflow or better than in a well-ventilated full-tower). Same approach for sound, especially if there is also a spectrogram for what is getting thru in the mini-ITX build.
I've definitely been interested in the mini-ITX cases, and would be happy to see this kind of content on your channel.
This is good to know, I still have the V1 version for about a year now, no fires yet so far.
Okay, I want to know who is in charge of making the thumbnails for the video. because they are having a lot of fun with it and I enjoy them immensely :D Cheers guys!
Love your videos definitely made me buy a 5000d after watching your videos about cases, especially with the NZXT fire hazard.
I liked the V1 and was planning to build a PC for my father in it...until SSUPD Meshilicious came out. Was a joy to build in it and thermals are just mind blowing for such a small case.
I am fine with none standard dimension part so long as they are made available for individual purchase into the future for a price comparable to an in standard part. In my state "lifetime" legally means 7 years, if I recall correctly, and that seems like a reasonable minimum parts availability time. Of course, buyers should be able to freely register the product and be given ample warning of when replacement parts may no longer be available in case they want to purchase a replacement before the support ends.
Whats with the craze of having the smallest case possible and potentially sacrificing cooling and thus performance? I absolutely love my Rosewill Thor v2 with it's massive cooling and I really like it's dominating presence. There are small planets that have entered it's orbit
Hats off to NZXT, not many companies own up to their mistakes *cough*Gigabyte*cough*.
Right?? Gigabyte just ain’t the same anymore. Friend of mine bought x570 board from them and the board’s ram slots started dying within a year. Poor computer was on life support running on one ram stick. Sometimes it wouldn’t post, or would randomly crash his computer especially playing vr. He was not happy lol.
All NZXT cases should come with a fire extinguisher from now on.
wow funny meme
Hi Tom5tom
I still miss their Phantom Full Towers. Still rocking my og Phantom 12 years strong... Sort of.
Did I miss how you got the case? Based on past videos, I'd be sceptical if the case was provided by nzxt. Thanks.
Love those SD cards! Great sponsor 👍
I just recently bought the Fractal Torrent Compact if I drill out a couple of tiny holes and put a grommet in at the bottom of my matx motherboard do you think it would mess with thermals any? I'm talking maybe a 2" or less hole for running cables to the bottom. I will wait till I hear something back before I act.
I suppose the good thing about the CAM control is you could just bypass it and plug everything into your mobo.
one question, i have an H1 V2 with a 4070Ti and i am getting a baseline of 50 degrees on idle, how are you getting so low on the temperatures? TY
Thanks Steve been waiting for this 👍 🙌 🙏 👌 😀 👏
Because of Fractal's recall response, I actually bought one of their cases. A company that is willing to admit a failure and take action on it immediately is a company I trust! I will never buy a NZXT case until they show that they learned from their lesson.
I've been using Fractal cases for a good while and so far not a single complaint. Sure they cost a bit more but they are so sturdy that you can probably use one case for 3 consecutive builds. fan placement makes sense, plenty of place for drives, dust filters? Yeah, sign me up for Fractal until I die or they stop producing cases.
Hey Steve, for your curls, try cleansing conditioner instead of shampoo, it'll get rid of the frizziness.
So I just ordered this but I have a 3080 Ti. Should I cancel because of the transient spikes?
Would transient spikes sill be an issue if using a CPU with a lower TDP (like a 7700 at 65w TDP) vs a i9-10900 used in the video (125w TDP)?
Given how greasy that glass was, you really MANHANDLED that thing, and it will survive even the most brutal users.
No malfunctions, but that price tag is ablaze!