Can't be on a runeless 0-5 because the trigger for the cavern key door IS killing the king, and therefore obtaining Homunculus. Of course you can make it easier by picking it up but never using it, it just wouldn't be a true runeless
Well now I feel kindah dumb 😅 In Powers video that got me thinking about runeless runs, he says to just get the homunculus for the key, since a legendary javelin drop is ridiculous. I figured this way you can still do it and avoid "breaking the rules" too much.
@@GaiaGhost yeah, the moment the cutscene ends when killing the king, you get the rune. I even tried to close the game out via task manager's end task during the cut scene.
@@POWERMF64 Damn, well sounds like it's entirely unavoidable then, except in the case of a *very* lucky javelin, too bad. I'm mostly just toying around with weapon mechanics at this point. Also found an alternative for reaching Graveyard without spider that you might get a kick out of.
@@suismarc BRO.. it's just another way to do it. Using the kunai for extra distance was definitely not a mechanic many players used or knew about, only ever saw 1 other player doing it which is mainly why i shared. It is also a weapon that you have at the beginning of the game, so it's likely starter equipment if you got 1 BC right away (i.e doing those types of challenge runs.) But more than anything this is just showcasing that you can get around a lot of the platforming this way. It is specifically arranged so that you're not supposed to be able to make it with only 2 jumps, and yet you can.
Not gonna lie after beating the game a few times through normal and not being able to get past boss cell +1 this would've been cool to know about before hand but doing it the normal way the first time felt accomplishing. This game really gives the sense of great feats and the feeling of actually learning something from each death. Dark souls just pisses me off but this game, why, it's a masterpiece.
Easiest way I ever got in there was using the assault shield roll strat. You just use the shield and roll off the platform, and then have two jumps to get in
Here's another idea I thought out of it myself and don't know if other people use it but you can activate the switch with your head and yes it can reach over there and once you're there you can grab the key with your head as well and go back honestly the quickest way I think but your way is interesting as well
thank you for this. I was struggling to get the Homunculus rune to actually work as intended, and doing this (I used ice shards, they stall you just as well) Allowed me to get in and get the key far easier than trying to do shit with the rune
It _is_ kind of pointless, not really meant for vanilla playthroughs. Another player recently did a "runeless" run but the *only* other way to reach the cavern is if you're lucky enough to find a legendary war javelin, incredibly unlikely. So they said to just make an exception for the H rune to access the key room. But in keeping with the theme of the run, try to find another way across.
Im confused on how the game wants you to get in there, is it not just shooting your head over? Its by far the most consistent and easiest strat just shoot your head right then jump underneath and activate the buttons, recall head then jump across..
@@inukgamerrz6341 I'm actually not. Never did a full playthrough, but that might be the next retro game i play now that you mention it though. Some of the best devs from that era.
Just saying I haven’t read every comment but the real easiest way to get over there is just by launching your head cell thing over and using your double jump to land on the the hanging part and boom you can open the doors and jump and roll across
Yeah, just part of a silly challenge. I was uploading a few random videos highlighting how certain weapons act, in terms of movement. For some reason this one got a lot of hits 🤷♂️ but it wasn't really meant to be of any great use.
The first time I got over there without using the H-rune was using Lightspeed. But this is way more accessible. Lol
same lol
Same for me
Can't be on a runeless 0-5 because the trigger for the cavern key door IS killing the king, and therefore obtaining Homunculus. Of course you can make it easier by picking it up but never using it, it just wouldn't be a true runeless
Well now I feel kindah dumb 😅
In Powers video that got me thinking about runeless runs, he says to just get the homunculus for the key, since a legendary javelin drop is ridiculous. I figured this way you can still do it and avoid "breaking the rules" too much.
@@GaiaGhost yeah, the moment the cutscene ends when killing the king, you get the rune. I even tried to close the game out via task manager's end task during the cut scene.
@@POWERMF64 Damn, well sounds like it's entirely unavoidable then, except in the case of a *very* lucky javelin, too bad.
I'm mostly just toying around with weapon mechanics at this point. Also found an alternative for reaching Graveyard without spider that you might get a kick out of.
Bro he didn't USE the rune to make the jump, therefore making it a runeless jump who cares if he's actually got it he made the jump without using it
@@suismarc BRO.. it's just another way to do it. Using the kunai for extra distance was definitely not a mechanic many players used or knew about, only ever saw 1 other player doing it which is mainly why i shared. It is also a weapon that you have at the beginning of the game, so it's likely starter equipment if you got 1 BC right away (i.e doing those types of challenge runs.)
But more than anything this is just showcasing that you can get around a lot of the platforming this way. It is specifically arranged so that you're not supposed to be able to make it with only 2 jumps, and yet you can.
Not gonna lie after beating the game a few times through normal and not being able to get past boss cell +1 this would've been cool to know about before hand but doing it the normal way the first time felt accomplishing. This game really gives the sense of great feats and the feeling of actually learning something from each death. Dark souls just pisses me off but this game, why, it's a masterpiece.
I forgot that the homunculus rune existed so I just used an amulet with an extra mid air jump to get it
Easiest way I ever got in there was using the assault shield roll strat. You just use the shield and roll off the platform, and then have two jumps to get in
Here's another idea I thought out of it myself and don't know if other people use it but you can activate the switch with your head and yes it can reach over there and once you're there you can grab the key with your head as well and go back honestly the quickest way I think but your way is interesting as well
I think what you meant by using the head is... The homonbulus rune ?, The thing they tryna to avoid using
I just reset until i had an amulet with an extra jump, because I didn't know Homunculus Rune worked like that.
I forgot I can use homunculus rune for the key, so i rerolled the run many times to get the extra jump amulet lol
You still need to kill the hand of the king to get in the room
The easiest way to get in there is to pop your head in and open the molds
thank you for this. I was struggling to get the Homunculus rune to actually work as intended, and doing this (I used ice shards, they stall you just as well) Allowed me to get in and get the key far easier than trying to do shit with the rune
you can get there with the help of an assault shield
I remember spending a good couple hours double jumping and eventually getting it without any weapons, can't for the life of me remember how though.
-How much stupid do you wanna feel?
-Yes.
I didnt use the homunculus rune because i forgot about it so i used wings to get there
Do know what I appreciated more. This helpful tip to get through this obstacle OR the Chronotrigger frog theme music. 🤔
Ok? But why? Don't you NEED to have homunculus to even access that room?
Like I guess this method is faster... But still...
It _is_ kind of pointless, not really meant for vanilla playthroughs. Another player recently did a "runeless" run but the *only* other way to reach the cavern is if you're lucky enough to find a legendary war javelin, incredibly unlikely. So they said to just make an exception for the H rune to access the key room. But in keeping with the theme of the run, try to find another way across.
I also wanted to do this without the rune, so I got the speed buff, teleported near the room and just ran across it, don't need any item
Well done, sir! I'll take a trick over a slog any day of the week
U were meant to use the homonculus rune I just got a triple jump
Took advantage of the multiple jump feature that necklaces can come with.... didn’t know this could be this cheesed
I enjoyed background music, thanks!
oh gr8 another way to obtain the cavern key
my stupid ass did this with dash, and didn't even think to pop the beheaded head xD
You can also do it by a well timed dash with the katana
Worked like a charm👌🏽👌🏽👌🏽 thank you
i just got lucky with a +2 jump necklace and went by not even knowing the humoncolous rune was used for this
based chrono trigger enjoyer
Im confused on how the game wants you to get in there, is it not just shooting your head over? Its by far the most consistent and easiest strat just shoot your head right then jump underneath and activate the buttons, recall head then jump across..
okay but, after 300+ hr i figured out to use homunculus rune here?
im a potato
I used the kraken's arm, cause I didn't think about homunculus for so long
I don't know but that song remind me of chrono trigger
it is from chrono trigger
Love the throwback dude... Chrono Trigger track or FF or ?? track?
Chrono trigger, Frogs theme
@@GaiaGhost SO great. You familiar with the ActRaiser soundtrack, my man?
@@inukgamerrz6341 I'm actually not. Never did a full playthrough, but that might be the next retro game i play now that you mention it though. Some of the best devs from that era.
I just used the little grass ball head thing that you get when beating the game😅
king scepter reaction
Just saying I haven’t read every comment but the real easiest way to get over there is just by launching your head cell thing over and using your double jump to land on the the hanging part and boom you can open the doors and jump and roll across
I didnt know you had to use the rune
I just used a triple jump amulet
i remember doing this when i had the homunculus rune, but i forgot that it could be used for this. cause i think its pretty useless
I used assault shield instead of the h rune
Assault shield roll boost go whooosh
But whats point of it? If i remember good you should arleady killed kings hand to unlock this passage
anyone know what the outfit in the first scene is called? 0:05
Chrono Trigger - Frogs Theme
If only I could go there
Or you could just use the assault shield
Actually I dont know the expected answer at first, and I use the Tentacle to solve this
Impressive 10/10
Another way is to use tentacle as a grappling hook
All I did was jump over leave my body and activate the plates with my cell thing
I thought you were going to telluric animation cancel, but weapon air stalling? I used air stalls soo much but I didn't think to consider it.
I used assault shield and it works good too
But why?
You can shoot your head over instead and it can activate the buttons for you opening up the doors and clearing the way :)
I did this without any weapons I just jumped twice then rolled
I did it with assault shield and just did it with the tentacle
Song?
Chrono Trigger OST - Frog's Theme
but u only open the door on 1bc, and u will get homonc at beating 0bc anyway, any purpose? or just a challenge
Yeah, just part of a silly challenge.
I was uploading a few random videos highlighting how certain weapons act, in terms of movement. For some reason this one got a lot of hits 🤷♂️ but it wasn't really meant to be of any great use.
What’re y’all in about, I did it first try with just two jumps
I was just uploading some random weapon mechanic highlights. Didn't expect anyone to watch this really 🤷♂️
@@GaiaGhost understandable
bruh you can easily just leave body with homunculus then jump once to do it
I know. It's just to show that you can make it around obstacles that are designed to be overcome in 1 specific way, a number of ways.
We goin hollow knight in dead cells
Me I still managed to open it using the head
charge shield is a better option and way safer
How can you brake this gate
Just use ur head ?
What's the first outfit he's using?
I just used head to get to there
That's the intended way 😊 this is just to show how it's often possible to get past platforming puzzles in multiple ways.
Wait, you need this rune to Open this shit????? I made it with Crow Wings wtf, thought it was the only way
'-'
Oh what skin is that?
One of the queen outfits. 3bc iirc
Good job my guy, I guess
I did that with light speed then d-jump
I used assault shield
much easier to just throw your head, unlock both doors and go.
How ?
Faz tempo que não escuto essa musiquinha de chronno trigger
How can i get the girl charcter or outfit
The female outfits drop from the Queen, Time Keeper and Mama Tick bosses. You get that one for beating the Queen on 4BC
Bro I just used the head launched it and got there ez
I used king scepter for this super easy
Me in katana zero:
Thanks bro
I have a another method
Wait you are supposed to use the homúnculos rune?
Fuck
I did it! Heh!