You worded that perfect! You definitely don’t run a Gear drive Tractor wide open because it will wear out the clutch, jerk you around, dangerous, etc. the best feature they ever put on a gear drive tractor was the foot throttle.
Great advice from a man who has several tractors and knows how to use them, by the way Ben I am always impressed on how clean and organized that you keep your shop keep the videos coming
Great advice and I agree with you on full throttle on a tractor for every situation. Tractor Time guy isn't very knowledgeable in the use of real tractors in real situations. I have a small Deere gas powered hydrostatic for mowing and I do run it full throttle WHILE I am mowing. I have an Allis B with a 60" Woods belly mower, a John Deere 40 that I use with all kinds of implements, a Ford 4000SU diesel and a Massey 283 diesel. None of the 4 tractors do I ever run full throttle except when I'm driving from one place to another. Mowing with finish mowers, 6 and 8' bush hogs I use 540 PTO rpm speeds (1800 rpm on both the Ford and Massey with 2400 rpm being full throttle) The only thing I will say about babying your diesel, especially the older ones is that if you just putter around and don't work them they will start to slobber, or in other words leak raw fuel out the exhaust pipe. Been there done that so I run them up to mid throttle as much as possible.
Another, I agree with you! New tractors need to work. Not rev high when not working but not so low that carbon builds up in the soot filter. I won’t idle mine longer than needed to attach implements Longer than 3 minutes, shut it down. Unless I am mowing at 540, I keep revs at about 1500-1800 and use foot throttle! I run a Kubota M6060 also however I run super wide turf tires for general yard work. The wide stance helps on North Georgia mountain land.
@@khtractors yes here in Wv crazy high winds and now temperatures dropping in to 20s and teens most power around us is out but so far we ok so I thank the Good Lord for His Blessings
I agree to a point. I agree that a farm tractor doesn't need to be ran at WOT. There isnt much point. The point at which i dont ahree is heavy equipment like a backhoe, bulldozer, excavator. Those are different and require different needs. Maybe some people think they should ran the same. I have operated both since i was a child and run equipment at WOT, i do not however run my tractor like that. Just my opinion.
Ben I completely agree with you.. I’m so glad you put this video out! I like you have been around tractors all my life and mostly pre-emissions stuff and it kills me when I see someone pull it wide open for no reason at all just to work around the yard. I do have one hydrostatic lx2610 kubota and I run it wide open more than the rest but that’s just so the transmission works better. But like I always say you can fool the fan but you can’t fool the players and on TH-cam to me anyway it’s obvious who’s worked tractors forever and who hasn’t. And it’s a shame but all these newbies to the tractor world seem to follow these bigger guys on TH-cam like they’re the best thing ever . However you just have so much more valuable advice than any of them ever have. To me and you it’s common sense though
I have a LX2610 as well. From everything I have read the engine in my tractor is a de tuned engine to stay under emissions ratings. Due to this I have read a lot from people saying run it toward the top end because it’s still below what it was designed for.. curious on anyone’s thoughts on that.
@@mikeneeley1836 idk about running it towards the top end but it definitely makes sense about it being detuned. That’s got to be the stoutness little 25 horse I’ve ever used. Most of these small diesels won’t “lug” around they have to be run wide open to get the power out of them but this one to me seems to be really happy around 1800-2000 rpm’s
I agree 100% with not running the tractor wide open all the time. You’ve gotta match you tractor engine and transmission speed to the job you’re doing. If I’m feeding hay or doing loader work, I may run half throttle or so, just to get my hydraulic pressure up. If I’m cutting hay, rolling hay, bush hogging, pretty much anything else PTO wise, then it’s 540 PTO speed, and I’ll gear up or down accordingly. I wouldn’t run wide open and just driving around, unless I was on the road. Totally agree 100%.
Excellent advice from a man that knows how to operate a tractor. You and I are on same page. TTT has small garden machines you have to run them at wot lol
My dad said you have done it again Ben, you’ve created a very interesting & instructional video, I totally agree with you on the not running your tractor wide open, if your running a mile & you run wide open how tired do you think you’ll be before you reach that mile marker? If you run at a jog first a mile you can go the total distance without getting tired, my dad said as he was watching here that my grandfather never ran his tractors at wide open throttle!! He said he always set the RPM’s where the engine wasn’t in a strain & left it there unless like you said he was going down a hill or up a hill, he adjusted the throttle where it worked the engine but didn’t over work it!!! He said that only rich guys or idiots run their equipment wide open!!! His Ford 2000 which was supposed to be mine when he passed but somehow my cousin wound up with it, well it’s 52 yrs old & still going & I believe it’s because he only gave it enough RPM’s for the job at hand that wouldn’t overwork the tractor, my Ford 3000 is 54yrs old & is still going strong & I do like he did, only use enough throttle to work the tractor & not over work it!! Great Video, be blessed Ben!!
Ben, I agree with you 100%. I live in upstate New York and it gets cold . I start my tractor and let it idle until the temperature gauge comes up into the operating range. If I’m not using the pro I run it at 1500 to 1800 rpm. It’s a new tractor with 20 hours on it . I’m used to a 8N Ford so I don’t have any experience with the new diesel’s. My tractor is a Kubota MX5400 gear drive open station and I really like it. I just hope I’m running it correctly. Thanks for sharing your opinion I really value it.
If your IH heater is like the ones I have worked on in the past there is a speed control gismo in the blower duct next to the fan motor that has burned out..... two philips headed screws secure it in the duct.... It is subject to get hot is why it is in the airflow...
All the newer ones with dpf and Def are made to operate with the engine at a higher rpm. I generally run wide open especially with my 12ft batwing. But like you lower my rpm in lighter work. If it's something I just need to put around on I'll generally grab one of our older tractors. Luckily my kubota warranty is up so we are looking into having it deleted to get rid of the problem all together. Enjoy your videos Ben, God Bless
Do you run wide open as in throttle maxed out or at 540 pto speed? I’ve never tried it on mine but what is the pto rpm at wide open throttle? Thanks for watching?
@@khtractors with my batwing I have to run just a little under max. When I purchased the setup I was told it would need to be max throttle but it does fine running just under max, and Regens less. Kinda glad I didn't go with the 15ft batwing because I'd be running max all the time
I agree 100% I agree with everything that you said. I never run my tractor at max RPM . I'm a mechanic for almost 30 years and to me makes no sense. Love your videos Tim Strickland from Louisiana
Agreed fully with your point of view. If you are supposed to run your newer tractor at full speed, why did the manufacturer give you the option to control it? It’s what they call seat time. You need to drive the tractor and understand what the tractor is telling you and adjust as necessary. At the end of the day, it’s your equipment, you are paying for it, drive it the way you want.
I think that's some good advice your giving here. When I was a young teenager I was taught by my dad to run pto when doing machine work like baling hay or bush hogging. Being keyed in on your equipment is the ticket, for sure each sinario dictates a common sense approach, heavy throttle use is specific to each type of work. Good one, thanks for sharing, have a great weekend!
Completely agree with your lesson on rpm. Even when I’m on the road I don’t run at wide open throttle. I don’t reason to put the added wear on my engine. I just pick the right gear to do what I need to do. For the heater on your truck ….. there should be a resister block that’s gone bad.
I agree 100%. Task at hand dictates your rpm need, “especially” when pto is not being used. I don’t run my tractors or autos wide open, just common sense…….👍🇱🇷
Thanks Ben for the mechanical common sense video. Hy burn fuel to make power You won't use. I found pulling a 90" finish mower.11-1200 rpm was eough. If gras was heavier just bump the throttlee up to 1200 or slow the ground speed so tractor can ease throughwhat You're cutting. Most people that ask that question don't have the common sense to come in wwhen it rains. Thanks for passing down Your knowledge of tractors.
Usually tractor design is such that torque and power curves cross at proper PTO rpm and the implement should match the tractor power. If you pull an 8 foot wide implement at idle and shift up so you go 8 miles an hour or pull a 16 foot implement 4 miles an hour with throttle at the PTO mark you may get as much done in the same amount of time but the larger implement will only make half as many rounds. Half as much wear on the drive train. I agree that if you are doing light work there is no need to run high rpm, but if you could do the job with a 20 hp tractor it would be more efficient to use it at a higher rpm than using a 200 hp tractor on the same load and running it at idle. You are right. There are just too many variables for a definite answer and only experience will tell what is best for you.
Yes you’re right on torque and power curves. You really don’t gain much by going beyond that 540 pto mark other than more fuel consumption. Thanks for watching
I totally agree with you 💯, running any engine at full RPM is just wearing out that engine sooner.Think about all the internal parts that will wear out faster.Bottom line,be nice to your equipment if you want it to last longer.Thanks for your opinion Ben,hope people with tractors will have learned something from this video.Take care my friend,stay warm and be safe.Have a blessed day.🚜👏👍❤️🙏
Good morning Ben. You didn't mention running it by ear. 😁 I have a tractor that I have ran for years with a broken tachometer cable. That would blow many of new owners minds 😂
I've run many ford brush chopping with no tach, I spin em up wide open, then bump the throttle back a bit, till it sounds right.. I'm talking a 3600 pulling an 8ft brush chopper or a 4000 pulling a 10 foot chopper.
I have been around engines for years. Mostly small gas engines. But I agree with you, Ben. Running an unloaded engine wide open, especially a diesel, makes no sense, and I know it shortens the life. It's just physics. Higher rotational speeds and linear piston velocity changes means more wear. Just as lugging an engine is not good. Be smart and consider the load and work being done. I have a shuttle shift 40hp LS, and I vary the RPM all the time, and don't idle it long. Saves fuel. In 375 hours, it has regenned 6 times. That's it. When brush hogging, depending on grass length and terrain is about the only time I need to run 540 PTO rpm, which is about 2200 engine rpm. But with loader work, and backhoe use, I run 1200-1500 rpm. And use the foot throttle to speed up loader lift and curl as needed. I can't stand watching vudeos of hydrostats wide open as light loader, trailer pulling, or backhoe use happens and very slow ground speeds are made on level ground. Maybe autothrottle (rpm management) is the best feature for my video watching! Thanks for your info. Cheers, From SE Tenn. Oh, and I can't imagine what in this video would offend someone. It's not politics or religion!! Some folks just can't seperate discussion from confrontation. It'll be interesting to read the comments.
Really appreciate your thoughts on the subject! I did offend at least 1 because he said I falsely accused Tim and is unsubscribing. But that’s ok. Thank you and have a safe week!
Good information shared according to my opinion. Please also make some short clips with load on tractor as you said in video so that everyone can get a practical understanding of rpm and power requirements of some equipments which are easily available nearby you. Hope we will get more information from your experience 🙏
I push snow with a Kubota M7040 and I was wondering what RPM I should run it at while pushing snow. I asked Neil from Messicks and he said wind it up. If I remember correctly I asked full throttle and he said it'll take it all day long. I didn't like that idea because I wouldn't do that with any other engine I wanted to keep in good shape and get a long life out of it. I thought about it and came to the conclusion that he's in the business of selling parts and tractors and he doesn't have to buy the parts to fix this tractor. I also thought that the tractor is made to run all day long all hay session at 540 PTO RPM so I run it at about 2100 RPM. If I remember correctly 540 PTO is 2160 RPM. I run it 2100 RPM so the loader lifts faster and it takes me about 5 hours to do all the snow removal I need to do unless we get a long storm then it takes me around 11 hours. The engine will turn about 2600 RPM and it gets a lot louder at that RPM. I won't turn it that fast for extended periods of time. I changed the fuel filter in it and the manual says after changing the filter to pressurize the system with the manual pump and start the tractor at full throttle. I didn't like that idea so I started it at about half throttle and it started and died. I pumped it back up and tried starting it at half throttle again and it did the same thing. I finally started it at full throttle against my better judgement and it started, sputtered and died down some but kept running. I didn't like starting it cold with no oil flowing and going to wide open throttle. That's hard on engines. What procedure do you use after changing the fuel filter? Thanks for the videos and God bless you all!
Mine has an electric fuel lift pump so I just turn the key on and let it run for a good bit. Eventually it will recirculate to the tank once the filter gets full. On a mechanical pump pre-fill the filters first. Then you should have a bleeder to open somewhere. Pump until you see pure fuel with no air coming out. Close the bleeder then pump a few extra pumps. At that point it should start right up. On the rpm’s I’ll run hours on end at pto speed, but going beyond that for extended periods of time is tuff on them I think. Just do what you’re comfortable with. Thanks for watching
@@khtractors I haven't been around big diesel tractors much so I just didn't know what RPM to run it at but I knew I didn't want to run it wide open for very long. That's just asking for trouble. I was shocked when Neil said that. It's one thing if you need the power to operate a piece of equipment but to push snow it's not needed. I appreciate the fact that you made this video and are willing to share your knowledge. It will be nice to see what RPM you run your tractor at when you are working it if you choose to put that in future videos. Thanks again and God bless you!
Same thoughts here also Ben, my answer to their question would be just enough to accomplish the work your doing. Any extra RPM is just wasting fuel and wear on the machine. I think this question probably comes from the hydrostatic transmission users. I have 2 hydrostatic, 2 gear drive(shuttle shift), and a couple ole school farmall and find myself pushing the throttle up “excessively” on the hydrostatic units to avoid hearing the transmission whining at lower RPMs. ✈️2🚜
Good video, Sir. You made some excellent points and I hope those folks seeking some practical input watch this and learn a bit. I like how you pulled no punches but did not act like a butthole as many folks trying to get their point across here on youtube do.
Thank you so much. I was more vocal here than normal in a video but felt it was important to express my concern for people who really need help on the subject.
A lot of people, and maybe most people, have tractors that are smaller, and under powered for what they need. I think this is where some of the run at full throttle comes from Along with everything that you are saying, and I agree. As with tractor time with Tim, they are always trying to see how under powered tractor will get them by.
But like someone said in the comments pto speed is where the power and torque curves are the most efficient. By going wide open throttle your not gaining much if anything to help. But most small engines do have the pto speed near wide open throttle. But the comments I’m referring are on 5E Deere’s and that size range tractor. Thanks for watching
I agree. Go to a machine shop and ask them to build an engine. They are gonna wanna know how much horsepower you want and how many rpm. When you wanna be able to run 6000 rpm the price goes up significantly. Rpm definitely is harder on engines.
With my hydro, if I’m not mowing or using a pto implement, I usually run mine halfway between the full 540 pto speed and idle if I’m just working the loader. If I need more power I give her some more fuel haha. I’ve never really thought about that question. Like you said, I’m varying my rpm depending on what I’m doing. Stay warm next week. It’s going to be cold!
Thanks for the insights, Ben. I tend to run my JD 2038R around 2100 RPM when I'm box blading our gravel road, especially uphill -- seems to feel right in terms of the power I need.
Also each engine is different some run pto speed at higher rpm’s than others. For example on the Massey 245, 1850 rpm is at 540 pto, that’s much lower than most. I just want people to know running around with a pinned throttle isn’t necessary. Thanks for watching
Ben, I 100% agree with you regarding not needing to run your tractor wide open for the vast majority of tasks. I have a new (2021) Mahindra 5155 tractor that’s 55 horsepower. I believe wide open is 2,300 rpm, and I’ve never pushed it that far. It’s a 12 by 12 shuttle and I have no problem at all finding the right gear and throttle combination to get me the right balance of power and speed for everything I do. The tractor has E-PTO so it lets you basically select an overdrive for the PTO so you can throttle down to about 1,800 RPM and get 540 out of the PTO. So unless I was needing every bit of power out of the PTO, I don’t see any reason to use the standard PTO setting and have to crank up the engine to 2,300 in order to get 540 on the PTO. With the newer tractors with emissions, like mine, they don’t want you idling around like you could with old school tractors. But anything above about 1,500 satisfies the emissions system and just seems so much easier on things. Mine really seems to like around 1,500-1,900 RPM and I’m never lacking for power for heavy pulls or loader work. Good topic and it will be interesting to see the comments!
I agree on Tim, he is an IT and good marketing guy with no clue about farming or farms. I called him out on a video where he was totally wrong and his followers all jumped on me. His channel is the blind leading the blind. The last of his videos I watched he went to his family's farm where he hadn't been since a teen, and tore up a corn head because he didn't know how to use it. He reminds me of the fake homesteading channels in YT, talking about things they don't have a clue about but read it somewhere.
Lol funny you say not to run wide open I usually stall mine once or twice then I bump the fuel or drop to low range but I'm always in mid range on my kubota L3130 hst about 1-1500rpm. If it's thick brush hogging I may run little over 540 about 560 to account for the hst but if the grass ant crazy thick I'll be under 540.
I only run my tractor (bx 2370) at 2000 - 2500 rpm unless I have on the bush hog or finish mower then I run it up to the 540 mark! I only run my tiller at 2000 to 2200 rpm at max and it does just fine. I have never had that little tractor at full throttle!!!
I can't imagine running around on a tractor full throttle all the time lol. That be like having a diesel pickup and saying I gotta run this wide open all the time cause it's a diesel lol.
Most everything I do with my tractor is between 1500 and 2000 rpm but it doesn't have any emission controls. My neighbor is an older farmer and kinda money tight. He has a Massey 135, a Massey 275, and a JD 2440 cab tractor. I'll say he never runs either one over 1000 rpm no matter if hes bush hogging or carrying a round bale. He would have alot of regens 🎉with a new tractor. Not critisizing just saying.
100% agree! 👍 On my old JD (10-Series Europe) 310 i do Rearblade and Boxblade work a Lot. I`m able to handle Repair`s on my own - with this old Type of tractors without Turbo, Hydrostatic Drive and the hole Electronic-grap but a lot of cubic, 12 Gear`s and low Poweroutput i stay between half and max. one-third trottle. Sorry to say but i stay away from TTWT, This here is one of my favorit Chanels on YT. Guess why... Best Regards, Alfred
I think that are correct in saying that you don't need to run your tractor at max RPM's for all jobs, however, I don't believe that Tim has ever recommended that for all things either. I just unsubscribed from your channel because of your false accusations. You would do well to state your own opinions and not speak for anyone else.
That’s your right but if you watched Tim enough to be that loyal you’ve had to heard him say wide open throttle many times. Especially running those 1025’s. It’s not a false accusation at all.
The following is a comment from a Tractor Time with Tim video. The comment is on video "too much to handle 5 ft tiller....." Here is the comment - You mentioned running wide open for 540 the pto. Not sure if it’s true for all manufacturers. Look up the comment for yourself.
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Dave you’re the best, not me! I knew you’d agree with my point of view because I can tell by how you operate in your videos. Yes these big TH-camrs keep new tractors, they aren’t still running equipment from the 70’s like my 245 or my Farmtrac that I’ve had for 20 years since new. I want this stuff to last me. Thank you for your incredible support my friend! Stay warm!
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You worded that perfect! You definitely don’t run a Gear drive Tractor wide open because it will wear out the clutch, jerk you around, dangerous, etc. the best feature they ever put on a gear drive tractor was the foot throttle.
I appreciate that!
Good advice from a seasoned operator 👍
I appreciate that!
I run my rpm at whatever point I need. Mark D. Florida
Yes sir that’s the best! Thanks for watching
Right on point, like you usually are! Thanks for the chat!
I really appreciate your confidence in me! Thanks for watching!
Great advice from a man who has several tractors and knows how to use them, by the way Ben I am always impressed on how clean and organized that you keep your shop keep the videos coming
Keeping my shop clean is something I’ve worked on hard these past few years. Here and at work. Thanks for watching
Thanks Ben! Great video!
Glad you liked it! Thanks
@@khtractors I really like all of your videos.
Great answer
Thank you!
Great advice and I agree with you on full throttle on a tractor for every situation. Tractor Time guy isn't very knowledgeable in the use of real tractors in real situations. I have a small Deere gas powered hydrostatic for mowing and I do run it full throttle WHILE I am mowing. I have an Allis B with a 60" Woods belly mower, a John Deere 40 that I use with all kinds of implements, a Ford 4000SU diesel and a Massey 283 diesel. None of the 4 tractors do I ever run full throttle except when I'm driving from one place to another. Mowing with finish mowers, 6 and 8' bush hogs I use 540 PTO rpm speeds (1800 rpm on both the Ford and Massey with 2400 rpm being full throttle) The only thing I will say about babying your diesel, especially the older ones is that if you just putter around and don't work them they will start to slobber, or in other words leak raw fuel out the exhaust pipe. Been there done that so I run them up to mid throttle as much as possible.
I really appreciate your input and I’ll say I’d love to have a 283 Massey! That’s a good tractor!
Another, I agree with you! New tractors need to work. Not rev high when not working but not so low that carbon builds up in the soot filter. I won’t idle mine longer than needed to attach implements Longer than 3 minutes, shut it down. Unless I am mowing at 540, I keep revs at about 1500-1800 and use foot throttle! I run a Kubota M6060 also however I run super wide turf tires for general yard work. The wide stance helps on North Georgia mountain land.
I’d like to see a picture of that M6060 if you get a chance to email one. Thanks for watching!
Great and sound advice Ben, yes we are having some crazy weather, God Bless
I dread this coming week, it keeps looking worse each time I see a forecast. Thanks for watching
@@khtractors yes here in Wv crazy high winds and now temperatures dropping in to 20s and teens most power around us is out but so far we ok so I thank the Good Lord for His Blessings
You are correct sir.
Thank you!!
I agree to a point. I agree that a farm tractor doesn't need to be ran at WOT. There isnt much point. The point at which i dont ahree is heavy equipment like a backhoe, bulldozer, excavator. Those are different and require different needs. Maybe some people think they should ran the same. I have operated both since i was a child and run equipment at WOT, i do not however run my tractor like that. Just my opinion.
Also that equipment is built to a different caliber then farm equipment and usually able to reach much higher hour life spans. Thanks for the input!
Thanks first time I listen to a basic common sense opinion on this subject 👍
Thank you so much!
Ben I completely agree with you.. I’m so glad you put this video out! I like you have been around tractors all my life and mostly pre-emissions stuff and it kills me when I see someone pull it wide open for no reason at all just to work around the yard. I do have one hydrostatic lx2610 kubota and I run it wide open more than the rest but that’s just so the transmission works better. But like I always say you can fool the fan but you can’t fool the players and on TH-cam to me anyway it’s obvious who’s worked tractors forever and who hasn’t. And it’s a shame but all these newbies to the tractor world seem to follow these bigger guys on TH-cam like they’re the best thing ever . However you just have so much more valuable advice than any of them ever have. To me and you it’s common sense though
Big difference in being a TH-cam expert vs actually being knowledgeable on the subject. Thanks for watching!
I have a LX2610 as well. From everything I have read the engine in my tractor is a de tuned engine to stay under emissions ratings. Due to this I have read a lot from people saying run it toward the top end because it’s still below what it was designed for.. curious on anyone’s thoughts on that.
@@mikeneeley1836 idk about running it towards the top end but it definitely makes sense about it being detuned. That’s got to be the stoutness little 25 horse I’ve ever used. Most of these small diesels won’t “lug” around they have to be run wide open to get the power out of them but this one to me seems to be really happy around 1800-2000 rpm’s
Alarm for Alabama on my friend, please stay warm.
Thank you
Some very good information you are passing on 💯
Thank you very much!
I agree 100% with not running the tractor wide open all the time. You’ve gotta match you tractor engine and transmission speed to the job you’re doing. If I’m feeding hay or doing loader work, I may run half throttle or so, just to get my hydraulic pressure up. If I’m cutting hay, rolling hay, bush hogging, pretty much anything else PTO wise, then it’s 540 PTO speed, and I’ll gear up or down accordingly. I wouldn’t run wide open and just driving around, unless I was on the road. Totally agree 100%.
Thank you very much for explaining your methods of operation as well!
@@khtractors a lot of folks over think this stuff, gotta use a little common sense on operation, and be willing to adapt.
Excellent advice from a man that knows how to operate a tractor. You and I are on same page. TTT has small garden machines you have to run them at wot lol
I really appreciate that!!
My dad said you have done it again Ben, you’ve created a very interesting & instructional video, I totally agree with you on the not running your tractor wide open, if your running a mile & you run wide open how tired do you think you’ll be before you reach that mile marker? If you run at a jog first a mile you can go the total distance without getting tired, my dad said as he was watching here that my grandfather never ran his tractors at wide open throttle!! He said he always set the RPM’s where the engine wasn’t in a strain & left it there unless like you said he was going down a hill or up a hill, he adjusted the throttle where it worked the engine but didn’t over work it!!! He said that only rich guys or idiots run their equipment wide open!!! His Ford 2000 which was supposed to be mine when he passed but somehow my cousin wound up with it, well it’s 52 yrs old & still going & I believe it’s because he only gave it enough RPM’s for the job at hand that wouldn’t overwork the tractor, my Ford 3000 is 54yrs old & is still going strong & I do like he did, only use enough throttle to work the tractor & not over work it!! Great Video, be blessed Ben!!
The thought of running is a good analogy, I had thought of it that way. Thanks for watching!
Ben, I agree with you 100%. I live in upstate New York and it gets cold . I start my tractor and let it idle until the temperature gauge comes up into the operating range. If I’m not using the pro I run it at 1500 to 1800 rpm. It’s a new tractor with 20 hours on it . I’m used to a 8N Ford so I don’t have any experience with the new diesel’s. My tractor is a Kubota MX5400 gear drive open station and I really like it. I just hope I’m running it correctly. Thanks for sharing your opinion I really value it.
I’m glad you went gearing up drive! You just so much more pushing and pulling strength from a geared machine. Thanks for watching
If your IH heater is like the ones I have worked on in the past there is a speed control gismo in the blower duct next to the fan motor that has burned out..... two philips headed screws secure it in the duct.... It is subject to get hot is why it is in the airflow...
Yes sir I think you’re right. I have one ordered, hopefully that’s the cure! Thanks for watching
All the newer ones with dpf and Def are made to operate with the engine at a higher rpm. I generally run wide open especially with my 12ft batwing. But like you lower my rpm in lighter work. If it's something I just need to put around on I'll generally grab one of our older tractors. Luckily my kubota warranty is up so we are looking into having it deleted to get rid of the problem all together. Enjoy your videos Ben, God Bless
Do you run wide open as in throttle maxed out or at 540 pto speed? I’ve never tried it on mine but what is the pto rpm at wide open throttle? Thanks for watching?
@@khtractors with my batwing I have to run just a little under max. When I purchased the setup I was told it would need to be max throttle but it does fine running just under max, and Regens less. Kinda glad I didn't go with the 15ft batwing because I'd be running max all the time
@@danieltravis2555 yeah that’s a lot especially in thick stuff.
I agree 100% I agree with everything that you said. I never run my tractor at max RPM . I'm a mechanic for almost 30 years and to me makes no sense.
Love your videos
Tim Strickland from Louisiana
Thank you very much!
Great video good information God bless you and your family
Thank you! You too!
Agreed fully with your point of view. If you are supposed to run your newer tractor at full speed, why did the manufacturer give you the option to control it? It’s what they call seat time. You need to drive the tractor and understand what the tractor is telling you and adjust as necessary. At the end of the day, it’s your equipment, you are paying for it, drive it the way you want.
Really appreciate you watching and the comment!
I think that's some good advice your giving here. When I was a young teenager I was taught by my dad to run pto when doing machine work like baling hay or bush hogging. Being keyed in on your equipment is the ticket, for sure each sinario dictates a common sense approach, heavy throttle use is specific to each type of work. Good one, thanks for sharing, have a great weekend!
Thank you for watching!
One of the best videos you done to date 👍
Thank you very much for that!
Completely agree with your lesson on rpm. Even when I’m on the road I don’t run at wide open throttle. I don’t reason to put the added wear on my engine. I just pick the right gear to do what I need to do. For the heater on your truck ….. there should be a resister block that’s gone bad.
I only run wide open on the road normally when rain is coming 😂! I ordered a resistor, hopefully that’s it. Thank you!
I agree 100%. Task at hand dictates your rpm need, “especially” when pto is not being used. I don’t run my tractors or autos wide open, just common sense…….👍🇱🇷
Thank you so much!
Thanks Ben for the mechanical common sense video. Hy burn fuel to make power You won't use. I found pulling a 90" finish mower.11-1200 rpm was eough. If gras was heavier just bump the throttlee up to 1200 or slow the ground speed so tractor can ease throughwhat You're cutting. Most people that ask that question don't have the common sense to come in wwhen it rains. Thanks for passing down Your knowledge of tractors.
I really appreciate that comment buddy!
Usually tractor design is such that torque and power curves cross at proper PTO rpm and the implement should match the tractor power. If you pull an 8 foot wide implement at idle and shift up so you go 8 miles an hour or pull a 16 foot implement 4 miles an hour with throttle at the PTO mark you may get as much done in the same amount of time but the larger implement will only make half as many rounds. Half as much wear on the drive train. I agree that if you are doing light work there is no need to run high rpm, but if you could do the job with a 20 hp tractor it would be more efficient to use it at a higher rpm than using a 200 hp tractor on the same load and running it at idle. You are right. There are just too many variables for a definite answer and only experience will tell what is best for you.
Yes you’re right on torque and power curves. You really don’t gain much by going beyond that 540 pto mark other than more fuel consumption. Thanks for watching
I totally agree with you 💯, running any engine at full RPM is just wearing out that engine sooner.Think about all the internal parts that will wear out faster.Bottom line,be nice to your equipment if you want it to last longer.Thanks for your opinion Ben,hope people with tractors will have learned something from this video.Take care my friend,stay warm and be safe.Have a blessed day.🚜👏👍❤️🙏
Thank you so much Harlon! Take care!
Good morning Ben. You didn't mention running it by ear. 😁 I have a tractor that I have ran for years with a broken tachometer cable. That would blow many of new owners minds 😂
My Farmtrac is that way also. Thanks for watching
I've run many ford brush chopping with no tach, I spin em up wide open, then bump the throttle back a bit, till it sounds right.. I'm talking a 3600 pulling an 8ft brush chopper or a 4000 pulling a 10 foot chopper.
I have been around engines for years. Mostly small gas engines. But I agree with you, Ben. Running an unloaded engine wide open, especially a diesel, makes no sense, and I know it shortens the life. It's just physics. Higher rotational speeds and linear piston velocity changes means more wear. Just as lugging an engine is not good. Be smart and consider the load and work being done.
I have a shuttle shift 40hp LS, and I vary the RPM all the time, and don't idle it long. Saves fuel. In 375 hours, it has regenned 6 times. That's it.
When brush hogging, depending on grass length and terrain is about the only time I need to run 540 PTO rpm, which is about 2200 engine rpm. But with loader work, and backhoe use, I run 1200-1500 rpm. And use the foot throttle to speed up loader lift and curl as needed.
I can't stand watching vudeos of hydrostats wide open as light loader, trailer pulling, or backhoe use happens and very slow ground speeds are made on level ground. Maybe autothrottle (rpm management) is the best feature for my video watching!
Thanks for your info.
Cheers, From SE Tenn.
Oh, and I can't imagine what in this video would offend someone. It's not politics or religion!! Some folks just can't seperate discussion from confrontation. It'll be interesting to read the comments.
Really appreciate your thoughts on the subject! I did offend at least 1 because he said I falsely accused Tim and is unsubscribing. But that’s ok. Thank you and have a safe week!
I agree with you 💯‼️🚜😎
Thank you!!
Great video buddy 👍
Thank you very much!
Good information shared according to my opinion.
Please also make some short clips with load on tractor as you said in video so that everyone can get a practical understanding of rpm and power requirements of some equipments which are easily available nearby you. Hope we will get more information from your experience 🙏
I will try to point my rpm’s some in future videos when doing various task. Thanks for watching
I push snow with a Kubota M7040 and I was wondering what RPM I should run it at while pushing snow. I asked Neil from Messicks and he said wind it up. If I remember correctly I asked full throttle and he said it'll take it all day long. I didn't like that idea because I wouldn't do that with any other engine I wanted to keep in good shape and get a long life out of it.
I thought about it and came to the conclusion that he's in the business of selling parts and tractors and he doesn't have to buy the parts to fix this tractor. I also thought that the tractor is made to run all day long all hay session at 540 PTO RPM so I run it at about 2100 RPM. If I remember correctly 540 PTO is 2160 RPM.
I run it 2100 RPM so the loader lifts faster and it takes me about 5 hours to do all the snow removal I need to do unless we get a long storm then it takes me around 11 hours.
The engine will turn about 2600 RPM and it gets a lot louder at that RPM. I won't turn it that fast for extended periods of time.
I changed the fuel filter in it and the manual says after changing the filter to pressurize the system with the manual pump and start the tractor at full throttle. I didn't like that idea so I started it at about half throttle and it started and died. I pumped it back up and tried starting it at half throttle again and it did the same thing. I finally started it at full throttle against my better judgement and it started, sputtered and died down some but kept running. I didn't like starting it cold with no oil flowing and going to wide open throttle. That's hard on engines. What procedure do you use after changing the fuel filter?
Thanks for the videos and God bless you all!
Mine has an electric fuel lift pump so I just turn the key on and let it run for a good bit. Eventually it will recirculate to the tank once the filter gets full. On a mechanical pump pre-fill the filters first. Then you should have a bleeder to open somewhere. Pump until you see pure fuel with no air coming out. Close the bleeder then pump a few extra pumps. At that point it should start right up. On the rpm’s I’ll run hours on end at pto speed, but going beyond that for extended periods of time is tuff on them I think. Just do what you’re comfortable with. Thanks for watching
@@khtractors I haven't been around big diesel tractors much so I just didn't know what RPM to run it at but I knew I didn't want to run it wide open for very long. That's just asking for trouble. I was shocked when Neil said that. It's one thing if you need the power to operate a piece of equipment but to push snow it's not needed.
I appreciate the fact that you made this video and are willing to share your knowledge. It will be nice to see what RPM you run your tractor at when you are working it if you choose to put that in future videos.
Thanks again and God bless you!
@@michaelboyle1983 I’m going to try and start incorporating that information in occasionally.
Same thoughts here also Ben, my answer to their question would be just enough to accomplish the work your doing. Any extra RPM is just wasting fuel and wear on the machine. I think this question probably comes from the hydrostatic transmission users. I have 2 hydrostatic, 2 gear drive(shuttle shift), and a couple ole school farmall and find myself pushing the throttle up “excessively” on the hydrostatic units to avoid hearing the transmission whining at lower RPMs. ✈️2🚜
Really appreciate you sharing your experience! Thanks for watching
I’ve never run tractor wide open , enough to do job without lugging
Thank you!
Good video, Sir. You made some excellent points and I hope those folks seeking some practical input watch this and learn a bit. I like how you pulled no punches but did not act like a butthole as many folks trying to get their point across here on youtube do.
Thank you so much. I was more vocal here than normal in a video but felt it was important to express my concern for people who really need help on the subject.
A lot of people, and maybe most people, have tractors that are smaller, and under powered for what they need. I think this is where some of the run at full throttle comes from Along with everything that you are saying, and I agree. As with tractor time with Tim, they are always trying to see how under powered tractor will get them by.
But like someone said in the comments pto speed is where the power and torque curves are the most efficient. By going wide open throttle your not gaining much if anything to help. But most small engines do have the pto speed near wide open throttle. But the comments I’m referring are on 5E Deere’s and that size range tractor. Thanks for watching
I agree. Go to a machine shop and ask them to build an engine. They are gonna wanna know how much horsepower you want and how many rpm.
When you wanna be able to run 6000 rpm the price goes up significantly. Rpm definitely is harder on engines.
It sure is! Thanks for watching
With my hydro, if I’m not mowing or using a pto implement, I usually run mine halfway between the full 540 pto speed and idle if I’m just working the loader. If I need more power I give her some more fuel haha. I’ve never really thought about that question. Like you said, I’m varying my rpm depending on what I’m doing. Stay warm next week. It’s going to be cold!
Yeah I was blown away seeing that asked then to see people recommend wide open as a standard just blew my mind. Thanks for watching
Thanks for the insights, Ben. I tend to run my JD 2038R around 2100 RPM when I'm box blading our gravel road, especially uphill -- seems to feel right in terms of the power I need.
Also each engine is different some run pto speed at higher rpm’s than others. For example on the Massey 245, 1850 rpm is at 540 pto, that’s much lower than most. I just want people to know running around with a pinned throttle isn’t necessary. Thanks for watching
Ben, I 100% agree with you regarding not needing to run your tractor wide open for the vast majority of tasks. I have a new (2021) Mahindra 5155 tractor that’s 55 horsepower. I believe wide open is 2,300 rpm, and I’ve never pushed it that far. It’s a 12 by 12 shuttle and I have no problem at all finding the right gear and throttle combination to get me the right balance of power and speed for everything I do. The tractor has E-PTO so it lets you basically select an overdrive for the PTO so you can throttle down to about 1,800 RPM and get 540 out of the PTO. So unless I was needing every bit of power out of the PTO, I don’t see any reason to use the standard PTO setting and have to crank up the engine to 2,300 in order to get 540 on the PTO. With the newer tractors with emissions, like mine, they don’t want you idling around like you could with old school tractors. But anything above about 1,500 satisfies the emissions system and just seems so much easier on things. Mine really seems to like around 1,500-1,900 RPM and I’m never lacking for power for heavy pulls or loader work. Good topic and it will be interesting to see the comments!
I love your comment and thanks for taking time to explain your experiences! I really appreciate that. Thanks for watching
Hello Ben, 😂well i would say what ever RPM that makes the tractor move🤣 you are wise beyond your years my friend 🪵👍🏼🇺🇸
Thank you so much Larry!
I agree on Tim, he is an IT and good marketing guy with no clue about farming or farms. I called him out on a video where he was totally wrong and his followers all jumped on me. His channel is the blind leading the blind. The last of his videos I watched he went to his family's farm where he hadn't been since a teen, and tore up a corn head because he didn't know how to use it. He reminds me of the fake homesteading channels in YT, talking about things they don't have a clue about but read it somewhere.
Thanks for watching!
Lol funny you say not to run wide open I usually stall mine once or twice then I bump the fuel or drop to low range but I'm always in mid range on my kubota L3130 hst about 1-1500rpm. If it's thick brush hogging I may run little over 540 about 560 to account for the hst but if the grass ant crazy thick I'll be under 540.
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I only run my tractor (bx 2370) at 2000 - 2500 rpm unless I have on the bush hog or finish mower then I run it up to the 540 mark! I only run my tiller at 2000 to 2200 rpm at max and it does just fine. I have never had that little tractor at full throttle!!!
I run a tiller at lower then 540 as well. Especially in rocky areas! Thanks for watching
I can't imagine running around on a tractor full throttle all the time lol. That be like having a diesel pickup and saying I gotta run this wide open all the time cause it's a diesel lol.
Yes you have a valid point!! Thanks for watching
If I didn't have dpf I would idle it around. This DPF garbage is ruining everything.
You got that right! Thanks for watching
Most everything I do with my tractor is between 1500 and 2000 rpm but it doesn't have any emission controls. My neighbor is an older farmer and kinda money tight. He has a Massey 135, a Massey 275, and a JD 2440 cab tractor. I'll say he never runs either one over 1000 rpm no matter if hes bush hogging or carrying a round bale. He would have alot of regens 🎉with a new tractor. Not critisizing just saying.
He’s better off with that combination of machines anyways. Thanks for watching
When I'm plowing I'll run it full throttle loader work around half throttle
What size plow do you pull?
Finally, someone with some sense. I have been shaking my head at the 'internet experts'. (70 year old farmer)
Thank you for that!!
100% agree! 👍 On my old JD (10-Series Europe) 310 i do Rearblade and Boxblade work a Lot. I`m able to handle Repair`s on my own - with this old Type of tractors without Turbo, Hydrostatic Drive and the hole Electronic-grap but a lot of cubic, 12 Gear`s and low Poweroutput i stay between half and max. one-third trottle. Sorry to say but i stay away from TTWT, This here is one of my favorit Chanels on YT. Guess why...
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Thank you very much!!
It sounds like y'all have been having the same weather that we had. I'm the same way about the RPM as you are. It depends on the area that you're in
Thank you Joey!
@@khtractors you're welcome
What about hydros?
Run at a higher rpm but still I don’t recommend wide open throttle in most cases. Thanks.
You ought to see if the folks that own the property you bush dogged with the trailer on it if they would let you scrap it
I think that are correct in saying that you don't need to run your tractor at max RPM's for all jobs, however, I don't believe that Tim has ever recommended that for all things either. I just unsubscribed from your channel because of your false accusations. You would do well to state your own opinions and not speak for anyone else.
That’s your right but if you watched Tim enough to be that loyal you’ve had to heard him say wide open throttle many times. Especially running those 1025’s. It’s not a false accusation at all.
The following is a comment from a Tractor Time with Tim video. The comment is on video "too much to handle 5 ft tiller....." Here is the comment - You mentioned running wide open for 540 the pto. Not sure if it’s true for all manufacturers. Look up the comment for yourself.
you need to get to the point.
@@DanielAbel-uy7iw what’s the deal?
Good Morning Sir, ( we have a pretty cold and windy snowstorm right now !!! ) I'm happy that you have the much needed rain ( Iowa ) need it so much !!! Gary At Tractor talk with Gary is suffering a lot from it 😢Sir you are the Spear Leading by Example and that is why Good Folk's going to ask you since YOU ARE SIMPLY THE BEST 👌😇👍✨🚀Hey BE CAREFULL WE NEED YOU ( DO NOT GET BURN MAAAAN ) 🤣👍👍Truly OUTSTANDING INFORMATIVE VIDEO SIR 👍😇👌💪 Running a tractor Full throttle is THE WORST Thing You Can Do To A Diesel Engine and I agree with you ( I'M GOING MAD !!! ) ( YES Never RUN AN DIESEL FULL TROTTLE WITH NO LOAD, THAT IS VERY VERY BAD !!! ) I do not like that (Tim) at all,,, 😤 He also do not like Mahindra or TYM Tractor at all 😢 Yes Be Smart About of our expensive tractors or machinery 😇👍👍Sir, I'm fully back you up My Friend 🧐👍👌and If Someone's do not agree about your TRULY INFORMATIVE VIDEO, THEY ARE BLOODY WRONG 😉👍👍Time Will Show That We Are Right Sir 👍👍😇😇👌👌( these High Profile You Tube Creators ) have always New Tractors,,, 🤔 ( Sir do not be sorry Sir they do not deserve it !!!) 😉👍👍Be Well My Friend Cheers 👍😉😇👌🍻
Dave you’re the best, not me! I knew you’d agree with my point of view because I can tell by how you operate in your videos. Yes these big TH-camrs keep new tractors, they aren’t still running equipment from the 70’s like my 245 or my Farmtrac that I’ve had for 20 years since new. I want this stuff to last me. Thank you for your incredible support my friend! Stay warm!