I actually believe both guns are pretty good but it's solely based on the map and your agent's role. If you're a duelist and you're required to rush in, I think phantom is better at close combat but if you're more of the "behind the team" type of player, vandal is good for you because of it's long range damage. Just my opinion tho
i think you should give them infinite credits to avoid situations like vandal team having to use phantom (do not read the replies if you want to keep your sanity)
you should make a series with a team being able to use only ghost, spectre and phantom vs sheriff, stinger and vandal. And they have to buy either of those weapons every round
the nrg strat, basically vandal takes the same ttk when you shoot someone with light and heavy armor so if they enemy team buys vandal only, you can run light shields and save some creds, you have to be careful of not taking chip damage though
You should've make it that they have infinite creds so they can always bought Vandal/Phantom. Amd they are Iron anyways, so util doesn't matter for them
@@tickets7029 bro. trust me, what is from gold + is insane. i`m silver 2 and what is more than gold 3 know things we dont. and the hours give them a better aim. all is about the time you play this game or other shooter games.
You should do an iron gun tournament where 5 teams can only use their one category of gun- classic/stinger/phantom, ghost/spectre/phantom, shorty/Bucky/judge, sheriff/Marshall/op, frenzy/ares/Odin. I think that would be very fun to see how it goes in iron.
I switch depending on which side I’m playing (Attacker/Defender). I find I use Phantom more on Defense as a KJ main and Vandal for Attack. And sometimes… I just use my Phantom because it has the Spectrum skin on it 😅
I think what was lacking was a knowledge of where the enemy team was playing but more so what they were doing every single round. Vandal team kept being aggressive as hell and flanking. Take out the flanks and you're a map up already. On Ascent the attackers were the defenders and the defenders were trying to take the site called "Attackers' spawn"
As an iron player i can confirm save rounds dont exist the amount of times i have to tell my team not to buy vandal second round is insane. I once saw a instalock jett my op second round.
I started playing val around act 2, ep 4. back then I used to only play unrated for fun and to learn about the characters. Back then, I used to be terrible. I have a vivid memory of a person yelling at me to uninstall the game once for being the worst your main of all time. After a bit of recovery and some more grinding, I finally build up the courage to play comp for the first time. After playing some comps, I got ranked iron 3. Ever since then, I had the goal to reach gold 1, to get out of elo hell and to prove to myself that I could be successful of at least 1 thing in life. For the past year and a half on multiple different accounts, I grinded and grinded all the way to silver 1, occasionally getting in gold lobbies (though I'm in b2 bc of the rank reset rn). Looking at current irons almost make me laugh, though at the same time, its a reminder, that I once was like them.
Dear Eggwick, I would love to be in the next video of this kind. I’m hardstuck bronze but if this is iron I deserve at least silver or gold. I would like to see how I would perform against other iron players like these. Love the vids and keep doing TH-cam❤❤❤
I think phantom is better for iron players cuz they always spray and phantom is easier to control. They also have bad aim so they don't need this long range one tap damage because the don't click head shots.
27:43 I'd actually disagree, the phantom spray is more forgiving so you're more likely to rely on the spray and pray than on a vandal. Especially at iron.
it is! even the gap between iron 2 and 3. insane. got bronze one for a week, now im iron 3 again. And every Time i get to iron 2, its such a big difference how easy it gets.
@@callmesnowboo iron 2, 3 and bronze 1 are all the same. I’m iron 2 and my unrated games have more strategy and better players than comp games. I don’t really like comp much so I don’t bother playing it. I don’t really want a higher rank . I just like being better. Some of my friends and cousins are plat and diamond and I see the difference when I play in normal matches when and I play with them . They are much better. I just try to aim and get better, don’t really care about ranks or wins/losses. Most people till bronze 3 are kinda the same. At bronze 3, slightly better but most people just crouch spray and die to stupid kj setups too.
My god even as a bronze i was in so much pain when they were spraying vandal across the map. I used to do that until i bought prime vandal now I can't spray lol. Phantom is basically useless to me now
i dont get why people say spraying with vandal is bad cause its spray is so easy to control at even like medium range its way easier than phantom to spray i usually only have phantom days when my bursting is good
I hit Pause in the right moment when Fade Plantet the Spike at 10:00 Minutes. Dude it was literratly 4.01 Seconds Left for the Round. The timing was just Pixel Perfect on Point xD
before when I was a new player I liked the phantom so much, after playing for a few months I got decent crosshair placement and now I like vandal. I like vandal with skin and if without skin I'll go for phantom :)
11:25 “why aren’t you guys buying anything” bro you’ve been saying that they’ve needed to save for the first 12 rounds and now that they’re saving you’re shocked xD
I havent watched the whole video yet but I'm assuming this is the only video you have that chat doesn't question what rank they are. This is some real irons.
Bro im bronze and I’ve went 33/25 against radiants/diamonds in unrated how are these people only a rank below me? Also ik a lot of people are gonna say 🧢 which I can’t prove wrong so ur gonna have to trust me here
also as a iron who watched ppl who are ascendant or and shit i always am like "lets split push" or "dont forget to do this" and the other irons are just like- "wtf r u talking abt"
I can't... I can't finish watching this video. All of them are deaf or simply don't care about what they hear in game and watching their aim actually hurts. One could almost think they miss on purpose 😂😂
Gun usage in this Video:
1% Vandal
1% Phantom
101% Spectre
funny XD
This is that iron math, I love it.
Lol
love the iron math
true im bronze and i didnt realize irons play so diffrent from bronze
3:43 "we got this guy inspecting his default skin" I can relate to that.. lol
that part got me 😂😂😂
“But they’re all irons” my absolute FAVORITE series!!! 🥚
I still dont believe that phoenix is iron..
@@aimxmhx I do
@@riker8214 good for you
@@aimxmhx Yeah, what is he ssying, weird 🥴
@@user-kn7hs8en5d 👍🏼👊🏻
I like how at 9:07 Sage decides to shoot neither of them but just shoot between both of them, truly some of the most gameplay I've seen
lmaooooo
Very "most gameplay", yesyes
Whatever that means xD
that was one of the plays of all time
@@gsvino4345 its a meme thing
@@snowpools8498 it was one of the moments of all time
Eggwick -“don’t try to understand them”
Eggwick - immediately questions everything done 😂😂
the phantom kj with the mollies during the ult was insane
I am bronze with a fear of dropping into iron, but this video assured me that I would have to TRY to get iron. this physically hurt me
Same
Bronze and Iron the exact same lmao
Y’all the same bronze and iron
Not those irons
bronze is literally just as bad 😂
6:00 that reyna aim 🔥🔥
10:03 If you go frame by frame, you can actually see the plant was at freacking 0.01 seconds left, fade's insane
i.imgur.com/mU1czD2.png TRUE BRO :)
Ye
i saw 0.03 but i couldve been on the wrong frame idk
@@dasquisher9344 You can go frame by frame in pc with " , " and " . " (at least thats in my keyboard, next to the M, if not, try something else)
@@josuevargas1952 I didn't know that so that's prob y, thx
I actually believe both guns are pretty good but it's solely based on the map and your agent's role. If you're a duelist and you're required to rush in, I think phantom is better at close combat but if you're more of the "behind the team" type of player, vandal is good for you because of it's long range damage. Just my opinion tho
Also, characters that have smokes in most situations a phantom is better because of the silencer so no bullet tracer
i think you should give them infinite credits to avoid situations like vandal team having to use phantom
(do not read the replies if you want to keep your sanity)
w h a t
they cost the same
idk if im getting trolled
@@dragonex4723 I think he means that the vandal team force buys and pick up the phantoms cause they would be broke otherwise
@@dragonex4723 No, what they are trying to say is that they should have infinite credits so that they wouldn't have to force or go for eco rounds
@@dragonex4723 what i'm trying to say is that every round should be a full buy vandal vs phantom to avoid players using other primary guns.
this reply section gave me brain damage
In iron there's no aim, no comms, no saves, no team play, they don't even buy eachother guns when they have full money
This was the best Iron game so far
I was laughing like a maniac in middle fo the night
Same
just call my name, im yours to tame.....
@@ligate7830 I THOUGHT OF THE SAME
In the middle of the night, in the middle of the night
I'm wide awake, I crave your taste
@@peexel bro 💀
I think if we want to focus on the “VANDAL VS PHANTOM” they should have inf creds plus same agents or just inf creds
you should make a series with a team being able to use only ghost, spectre and phantom vs sheriff, stinger and vandal. And they have to buy either of those weapons every round
Unfair switch sting to ares
So basically you want a battle between accuracy and one taps
@@definitleynotobama9044 nah its fine
@@VanillaYT. The spray and pray andies vs the tap and run chads
@@definitleynotobama9044 stinger can be way better that spectre in some situations
Eggeick was like at 2:00 you don’t need to understand then he says these are insane skins lol
There is a trick where heavy and light sheilds dont matter when they have full vandel so the phantoms had a advantage that they did not know.
The vandal head shots no matter what except if you go long
@@nayr711_ no lol
tbf this whole game everyone had spectres so it doesnt rly apply lol
@@asmartphoneinquarantine3269 bro are you high
the nrg strat, basically vandal takes the same ttk when you shoot someone with light and heavy armor so if they enemy team buys vandal only, you can run light shields and save some creds, you have to be careful of not taking chip damage though
12:42 "he's gonna catch 2" famous last words
You should've make it that they have infinite creds so they can always bought Vandal/Phantom. Amd they are Iron anyways, so util doesn't matter for them
Am Iron and am not that bad I just don’t play comp
@@tickets7029 u are bad I’m sorry to tell u
@@tickets7029 even if you dont play comp, if you placed iron then youre bad.
@@tickets7029 bro. trust me, what is from gold + is insane. i`m silver 2 and what is more than gold 3 know things we dont. and the hours give them a better aim. all is about the time you play this game or other shooter games.
thats not how it works bud i have really good aim and im iron these guys in the video were terrible@@Hs-sm9iv
14:50
Start looking at the chat...
They figure out that phoenix was watching the stream.
Watching irons play is like a fever dream
Ngl watching me isn’t a fever dream it’s a coma
This is NA try playing eu
Why is no one acknowledging the insane play that KJ did with the mollies and ult? The fact that it came from an iron player makes it even crazier
im in iron 3 and everyone here is just as crazy, i dont get it. i swear the difference from iron 2 to iron 3 is insane
@@callmesnowboo there's like no diff from iron 2 to iron 3 lol, you're just coping
@@ehsanlol4478 truee
IRON 1 - Newbies
Iron 2 - 95% Irons + 3.8% bronze + 1% silver + 0.2% higher ranks
IRON 3 - 80% Irons + 12% bronze + 3% silvers + 1%gold + 1%diamond + 1% immortals + 1% radiants + 1%(unknowns)
@@thunderp1719 cap 🧢
The Phantom vs Vandal battle is like the Coke vs Pepsi battle
And the Ford and Chevy battle.
but the coke is vandal
This perfectly explains it
You should do an iron gun tournament where 5 teams can only use their one category of gun- classic/stinger/phantom, ghost/spectre/phantom, shorty/Bucky/judge, sheriff/Marshall/op, frenzy/ares/Odin. I think that would be very fun to see how it goes in iron.
I would love an 4 iron 1radiant but radiant can only use non damaging abilities and call outs to see if they can direct the team to victory
This please. We have to have the coms as well. I foresee lots of yelling from the rad
Also I think you can set an observer for each team in customs so 5v5 iron with a radiant coach would be interesting as well.
3:19 Phantom Reyna has the crosshair on the enemy reyna's head and still manages to miss
precise gunplay - its like that way too often
I switch depending on which side I’m playing (Attacker/Defender). I find I use Phantom more on Defense as a KJ main and Vandal for Attack. And sometimes… I just use my Phantom because it has the Spectrum skin on it 😅
I use vandal defending and phantom attacking. Or just vandal for the reaver, phantom for playing around smokes.
14:20 phoenix uses a phantom. :there’s a spy among us, it could be you it could be me!”
Ah yes. Eggwick bringing the content we really want.
Bro other people do these types of videos too smh
@@voidfy8298 yes but are they eggwick?
I think what was lacking was a knowledge of where the enemy team was playing but more so what they were doing every single round. Vandal team kept being aggressive as hell and flanking. Take out the flanks and you're a map up already. On Ascent the attackers were the defenders and the defenders were trying to take the site called "Attackers' spawn"
10:04 My favourite part is that he only had 1 millisecond left
0.03
As an iron player i can confirm save rounds dont exist the amount of times i have to tell my team not to buy vandal second round is insane. I once saw a instalock jett my op second round.
the fact that they had enough to op 2nd round is crazy tho
Those phantom users need to be sneaky and try to fight close combat since they need that one tap potential of the phantom
u acting like irons even aim at the head
@@SUPADOG111 yeah they prob don't but some get lucky close range even if they blinded they just spam it
I mean there's a reason they're iron
@@SUPADOG111 i am a iron but i only aim head IDC if it hits or not I just aim head (vandal Andy here)
@@SUPADOG111 Apparently the phoenix knows to aim the head though
as a iron, i can confirm being able to afford a vandal and phantom is a luxury
always interesting to see how iron players play
That Jett named Vibe stole the entire show. That player is the funniest of all XD XD
everyone: discussing about Vandal and Phantom
me as a Spector main cuz i can’t aim
practice makes perfect. you cant get better if you dont try
practice with guardian
I started playing val around act 2, ep 4. back then I used to only play unrated for fun and to learn about the characters. Back then, I used to be terrible. I have a vivid memory of a person yelling at me to uninstall the game once for being the worst your main of all time. After a bit of recovery and some more grinding, I finally build up the courage to play comp for the first time. After playing some comps, I got ranked iron 3. Ever since then, I had the goal to reach gold 1, to get out of elo hell and to prove to myself that I could be successful of at least 1 thing in life. For the past year and a half on multiple different accounts, I grinded and grinded all the way to silver 1, occasionally getting in gold lobbies (though I'm in b2 bc of the rank reset rn). Looking at current irons almost make me laugh, though at the same time, its a reminder, that I once was like them.
bro am literally unranked and confused with some of these plays ☠️☠️
why am i scared of playing ranked in bronze when i see this peak gameplay 💀
i prefer vandal becuase headshotting someone with phantom then getting headshotted back by a vandal and dying is the worst feeling
dinking someone with phantom just for them to be like 4hp
I had a game where because I normally play vandal I shot a sage in the head then stopped and got killed
after climbing to gold since 6 months ago, watching irons play is so much fun lmaoooo
alternative title: SPECTRE vs SPECTRE mains but they sometimes buy rifles... SO BASICALLY A NORMAL IRON MATCH
@12:43 one of the funniest scenes in valorant
Dear Eggwick,
I would love to be in the next video of this kind. I’m hardstuck bronze but if this is iron I deserve at least silver or gold. I would like to see how I would perform against other iron players like these.
Love the vids and keep doing TH-cam❤❤❤
Yes bro me too they play so bad so i drop down
10:01 that fade planted on 4.00 seconds left holy shit
I think phantom is better for iron players cuz they always spray and phantom is easier to control. They also have bad aim so they don't need this long range one tap damage because the don't click head shots.
yeah just watching the vandal users it’s like rng if they get a kill with the gun
27:43 I'd actually disagree, the phantom spray is more forgiving so you're more likely to rely on the spray and pray than on a vandal. Especially at iron.
As a hardstuck b1 I never knew the gap between iron and bronze was this big...
it is! even the gap between iron 2 and 3. insane.
got bronze one for a week, now im iron 3 again. And every Time i get to iron 2, its such a big difference how easy it gets.
@@callmesnowboo iron 2, 3 and bronze 1 are all the same. I’m iron 2 and my unrated games have more strategy and better players than comp games. I don’t really like comp much so I don’t bother playing it. I don’t really want a higher rank . I just like being better. Some of my friends and cousins are plat and diamond and I see the difference when I play in normal matches when and I play with them . They are much better. I just try to aim and get better, don’t really care about ranks or wins/losses. Most people till bronze 3 are kinda the same. At bronze 3, slightly better but most people just crouch spray and die to stupid kj setups too.
This makes me so much more confident in myself after dropping to immo 3
My god even as a bronze i was in so much pain when they were spraying vandal across the map. I used to do that until i bought prime vandal now I can't spray lol. Phantom is basically useless to me now
Youre as bad as them bruh
@@ramezramez569 ok lol go back to your valo cave
@@ramezramez569 thats not nice at all
i dont get why people say spraying with vandal is bad cause its spray is so easy to control at even like medium range its way easier than phantom to spray i usually only have phantom days when my bursting is good
@@wintlvr let him be. His personal feelings were hurt lol
This is the worst gameplay I've ever seen. I love the energy. I need more. I'm hooked.
10:05 i went frame by frame and the fade literally had 0.01 SECONDS LEFT WTF
WTF
I hit Pause in the right moment when Fade Plantet the Spike at 10:00 Minutes. Dude it was literratly 4.01 Seconds Left for the Round. The timing was just Pixel Perfect on Point xD
Bro plastic rank?
started watching u a week ago and i actually enjoy the vids and the ideas
ok I officially think I deserve silver (I’m hard stuck iron and I’m still losing braincells from these players OCE btw)
Same.
I might not be great but I'm better than iron
@thenewbb same lil bro
Sometimes when I feel like I’m not doing so well, I watch iron game play to remind myself how far I’ve climbed and improved.
the fact that when i was iron i wasnt that bad- but nice work everyone!
As an ares main i petition for a ares vs spectre series
14:27 “There is no Sova Dart, in Ba Sing Se”
would be interesting to see something like this in plat/diamond to prove the point that they re interchangeable
before when I was a new player I liked the phantom so much, after playing for a few months I got decent crosshair placement and now I like vandal.
I like vandal with skin and if without skin I'll go for phantom :)
Thank you man for sharing this stuff
“This is how you do it down there?!!”😂
only eggwick thinks of these big brain vid ideas
This video should be called: SPECTRE Mains VS SPECTRE Mains... But They're ALL IRON
16:50 YOOO the timing of that lmaoo
this is the teammates i always get, aiming at the ground
10:04 the spike plant... i slowed it down and i saw he had 0.01 seconds to spare...
11:25 “why aren’t you guys buying anything” bro you’ve been saying that they’ve needed to save for the first 12 rounds and now that they’re saving you’re shocked xD
as an iron myself, I feel as if this lobby has got many problems and that this is worse than my iron lobbies.
I genuinely don’t understand how I’m still stuck in iron watching this
Watching this made me feel better about myself
why aren't these types of irons in my lobbies. all of the enemies in iron just seem to one tap me every time i peek
after losing a good number of matches, this video cheered me up
09:08 bro has beef with the wall💀
being bad enough to be in irons gotta be some kind of flex ive never known anyone who was iron at some point
3:43 lmao this part got me
Video idea. Have a tournament where it’s all irons and there’s a team for each specific weapon. So phantom vs classic ghost vs frenzy etc.
and then people wonder why im hardstuck iron when im in a team full of people not resetting their crossheir
There was more killjoy detains in this 30 minute video than i've ever seen or experienced playing valorant.
I love eggwicks "hello yootoob!"
his voice is so cute omfg + the pfp matches the voice
I havent watched the whole video yet but I'm assuming this is the only video you have that chat doesn't question what rank they are. This is some real irons.
even vandal mains, if they're iron, they panic and spray. they just use it because they see pro players use it more than phantom
i thought it was vandal vs phantom but its specter vs specter
Back in the day iron players were bad but now it just that everyone is under plat is gold ig
Reminding old days 🙂👍🏽
you should do iron vs iron and both teams has radiant coach that helps them throughout the game
Iron lobbies hit different 😂 my brain hurts watching but I love it
Bro im bronze and I’ve went 33/25 against radiants/diamonds in unrated how are these people only a rank below me?
Also ik a lot of people are gonna say 🧢 which I can’t prove wrong so ur gonna have to trust me here
These people deserve their own- Special.. Rank
also as a iron who watched ppl who are ascendant or and shit i always am like "lets split push" or "dont forget to do this" and the other irons are just like- "wtf r u talking abt"
i laughed so hard at the wiffs these people have
this was a confidence boost to watrch
I can't... I can't finish watching this video. All of them are deaf or simply don't care about what they hear in game and watching their aim actually hurts. One could almost think they miss on purpose 😂😂
Watching games like this encourage me to play ranked
Riot games: We would like to announce a new rank:
Wood
After seeing this video all these players were put in wood 1
10:03 i slowed playback time to .25 cuz thats all i can do on yt, he started RIGHT AT 4 seconds. Not a sliver of a second earlier