Black mountain F1 Buckfast queen introduced into an angry hive. Need nicer genetics in this colony!
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- These were the bees which we collected as a swarm in one of our other videos. I started to see signs early on that they were quite a defensive colony. They just got worse and worse. Great foragers but not the characteristics that I want. So I decided to re-queen with a UK mated Buckfast from Laurence @BlackMountainHoney I followed his steps that he mentions in his videos. I really hope they take to this queen 🤞
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Pine bedding is very calming in the hives. No gloves and no sleeves. Smoke is nowhere in this video
Hello buddy I just came across your channel. Really interesting. Looking forward to seeing more from you. I’m just going into my first year 🎉
Thank you for the king words. I’m glad you find the videos interesting. It’s hopefully a big year for us beekeeping wise and I’ll put it up on the channel. Have a good first year with your bees 🐝
Andy
I am near Houston TX so we have a good share of Africanize genetics. About 1/5 of my open bred queens result in a relatively hot hive.
When I get a hot hive I like to do a Taranov split. The original hive gets new local genetics and usually results in a relatively calm hive. The split that receives the old queen usually does well as I find the hot queens do expand well and after the new hive establishes I keep splitting. When I get tired of dealing with the hot hive I pop of her head and force them to requeen. Usually my hot queen crossed end up being relatively mild.
Most of my hot hives seem to have a lot of disease/pest resistance or they wouldn’t get very strong so I want that while diluting the bad side. I can buy good commercial Queen cells for $7.00 but my forced breeding gives me good results and there is great benefit from interrupting the brood cycle for varoa reduction
Just discovered your channel great vids for background noise while I work! I even get to learn about the bees! Thank you!
Glad you enjoy the videos, thank you for the kind comments
Che grande lavoro, tanti saluti dall'Italia (Piemonte).
Ringrazio TH-cam che mi ha consigliato il tuo canale anche se un po in ritardo (un anno).
P.S. anch'io sono un apicoltore.....
Buckfast are renowned for the aggravation in the second generation! I know this from experience about 18years ago ,I’ve only breed my own queens every since this with no more aggressive bees.good luck
I agree. How did you breed your own if the second generation was bad? Where did you start?
@@cyclist20 I just removed the queens to nucs just in case and let them build emergency cells ,waited 10 days and reduced to one cell .once the new queen was laying i said good bye to the original queen! Not all were good but I breed from my best,,it didn’t take long for a massive improvement! Good luck and use swarm cells if you get them
@@cyclist20I bred through it,I produced a lot of drones,if I get an aggressive hive I never kill the queen I put in a protected queen cell and forced a superseder,I never use a queen excluder or welding gloves ,unfortunately I look at a lot of other people’s aggressive bees and it’s usually poor handling! On a side note there’s not actual Buckfast bee breed they’re just what different breeders call them,I go to Buckfast Abbey quite a bit as it close to me and have friends in the bee unit,they’ve not breed commercial queens for long time! You own local stock will always be the best for your area.
Ive had extreme mean bees but only a few times..in each case they were in swarm mode and hadnt quite got there yet.
Thank you for interesting video of your apiary and internal life of the hive and honey bees. Best wishes to the entomologists and beekeepers and bumble-bees lovers and insect lovers!
Such a positive comment, thank you.
Glad to enjoyed the video
I would need to float a bit of smoke across the front and top of hive otherwise my bees would be exactly the same. Do you not use smoke to calm them?
Excited to see how they get on :D Subscribed to your channel.
Thank you for subscribing please don’t judge my videos too much 🫣 and thank you for supplying such great queens, I keep meaning to do an update video but it’s too hot. There is definitely a difference in temperament.
@@pureyorkshirehoney ha! No judging here! Your videos are awesome! Keep them up. Glad the queens are doing well 😀
Hey was wondering if you have an update on your UK F1 Buckfast. Did you find that she completely changed the temperament of the colony?
I only ask as I have purchased mine this year from Black mountain and was hoping to get some really chilled results. Thank you
Hi Danny
I was thinking of doing an update video as they have overwintered very well and are a very strong colony. Check all my hives last week and they are on 5/6 frames of brood! They only have a single brood on them as well. I’m really impressed, I have a couple of other queens off Laurence but they have been in Nucs, just transferred them into full size boxes.
Temperament is very good to very workable, so may even graft of them this year as a bit of an experiment to see what I get
@@pureyorkshirehoney Thank you for the reply.
So glad you had a great result, I'm really keen to see your update , a new video would be great.
I'll definitely be following you.
I’m curious you put a new queen in because of the aggression and I wouldn’t you get rid of all the drones that were made from her eggs also cause they would have that same angry treat just curious
That’s a good comment, this season I have bought in probably 90% of the queens which were already mated so the angry drones shouldn’t get chance to mate with any of my stock.
I would say that hive is queenless and that's why they have emergency cells, probably an old queen with the swarm that was failing and she either died or they balled her
Drones carry the genes of the aggresive bees as well.
Thanks for your comment, you are correct that’s why I bought in mated queens this season so I have good stock going forward, in theory at least.
My bee’s would kill me with a suit if I didn’t smoke em
So the hive was queenless?
Hi there,
Yes I made that colony queen less the week before by moving her over to a Nuc, (I couldn’t bring myself to kill her).
That’s why there were queen cells in the first section of the video.
Strangely the original queen later died of unknown cause which is in this video th-cam.com/video/H5-Uw49cwCQ/w-d-xo.html
Is hope you enjoyed the video, all the best for the new year.
Andy
that is the hive i remove all bees and brood except for one frame of brood and two food frames and give them two boxes of un drawn frames feed ,leave at original location all others go to new location in same apiary to get fly back to mother hive but split into 4 + nuc's with 4 or more frames feed each equalize 24 hours later add bees if needed cut queen cells in 5 days 24 hours later walk in virgin queen.19 days later i check mother hive you should have nicer bees and all newly drawn and capped frames ready to split again. can turn one aggressive hive into 10 or more great nuc's
If you re-queen, do you destroy all the drones also because if you don’t, and if those drones are from the queen, wouldn’t they be passing those jeans to other queens?
The queens that we bought in were already mated so the genetics of the angry colony won’t get passed on and die out. This year (2023) if all the colonies are good to work with then I will be rearing my own queens.
@@pureyorkshirehoney I understand that but the drones the First Queen the drones from her. Won’t hat get passed onto the queens in mating flights. Just a thought. All the vids I see never mention that. Thanks for the reply. Hey one question my first year keeping bees. Can you use a oxalic acid with winter feeding
@@Jimflawless927 yes the drones could mate with a virgin queen and pass through some of her genetics. It can be a bit of a lottery when mating your own queens with other drones in the area from other hives. I’m thinking about ordering a breeder queen for next season so I’ll have good drones from her and I could graft eggs from her to make F1 queens.
As for oxalic acid you want to be using it by vaporising through the entrance or trickling over the bees with a syringe. I’m going to trickle treat this year and hopefully do a video.
Doesn’t really matter if you have fondant on but don’t try and feed them wet fed as it’s too cold and they won’t take it anyway.
@@pureyorkshirehoney thanks great info.
So glad that you are wearing your suit and haven’t followed Laurence’s example not wearing his suit while chatting before his videos 😱 🇬🇧
I am not that brave, if a bee is after me I get out of there 😀
@@pureyorkshirehoney Me too!! 😱🇬🇧
Splitting this hive would help too
Thanks for the comment Linda, we did split this hive later on to make up some nucs to over winter. They have done really well this latter part of the season
U think those bees in that state are going to except a new quee
They did accept the new queen and are overwintering very well 🤞
I think you never learn or hear about killer bees
I had an aggressive hive. I put a BMH queen in and on my next inspection after introduction the hive was totally calm. Never even went through a brood cycle. The queen must just been really aggressive and that reflected on the bees. The new queens calm influence was instant. Wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't have seen it.
I’ve had a few queens off BMH this year. The ones that have got accepted have been really good, this colony especially.
It is customary when using an abbreviation to define what it means otherwise we'd just abbreviate every phrase and post stuff that looks like this. AFB got to my GAF and caused a PAD so I grabbed my XOT and ran to the yard and did a DBY.
The old school carniolans seam to not be bad. Wish we could get them in the states again. But USDA... grrrrr. The "new world" carniolans SUCK.
Those bee’s shouldn’t be on top if you smoke em
I had one that build a nother qween lot better now
Suggestion :
I would put those x2 Cube Cinder Blocks so "Hole Spaces" are at the Hive Side.
1) To Stop any Animal (Bird Nest) Hedgehog etc from getting stung or Buzzed by incoming Bees.
As at the moment, it's just under the Landing Board. Busy Bees, coming & going !
2) You can utilise those Blocks to Feed a Rachet Strap Through, Under, Up and Over for Strapping it down for Winter. Easy to Access.
Wish my Warre had an under Space, like the Cute Pitched, Side Spaced Roof ! Warre's have. Got Column of Boxes Strapped to my Fence, (Type with upright Slats. Between the Hive and Front Garden.) Bees and laundry line don't mix !
Did have an amazing x4 K incoming Swarm land on it, though ! Then in a branch on my Apple Tree. They walked off that, right into a x3 Box Langstroth Hive under that ! (Last Winter Dead Out.)
A Bait Hive, to being my best Colony. No Removal, Relocation needed ! : June 2022. I guess a Local Beek lost their Best Queen, and Honey. My place has no local Beekeepers near by.
A wonder that they found me and my place to settle and live. The Queen is a real beauty ! 👍
Just love Hobby Hives, and a nice Summer ! 😎
Like Lawrence and Black Mountain Honey Channel.
Glad his Queen turned into a Calm Colony ! 😎
Nobody wants Bees bouncing off them like they did here...
Mine only do so, at the moment, as I lift the Lid to add more Fondant. 😆
Don't blame them, it went from balmy 16C in mid November, here in Scottish Borders, to being Wet and Awful. Yuck !
Oops... Typo... It was 40K Swarm of Bees ! 🤗
(4K just about a Frames worth ! 😆)
Thank you for your comments, I’ve got French looking at why I put the blocks that way round underneath the hives.
I hope you enjoyed the video
Killer bees dude,kill the hive
We requeened the hive successfully with a lot nicer bee, latest video published is about this very hive.
Terrible decision, Yorkshire has a good percentage of amm bees and you've introduced more foreign genetics which will just make it all worse. Why not try breeding from your best or obtaining something that will be less foreign
Thank you for the comment Rob I appreciate your view. I wanted to work with that queen so much however it was just too aggressive. I requeened with a UK mated buckfast from Black mountain honey which may or may not be the correct decision for everyone but it suited us. As you mentioned in your comment, our end goal would be to breed our own queens until then will will buy in until we have sufficient numbers. I’m happy to buy one for your mated AMM queens next season if you sell them?
I appreciate that you took the time to watch the video and comment.
Andy
@@pureyorkshirehoney thanks for your reply. The problem with your logic is that you will never ever have buckfast bees in your area, you'll never be able to breed from them successfully without having to introduce more buckfast later down the line so it's like having a hole in a bucket and continuing to pour water in instead of fixing the hole. It's a quick fix but not a permanent one. I was in the same position as you last year, I was lucky to find some great localish beekeepers who helped me out with some nice calm native/near native bees. Now when I breed from them in the coming seasons if any local keepers have foreign bees or a make up of them, ie buckfast I will likley have terrible bees again as will they unless they import more queens it's a vicious cycle.
Beekeepers are the worst at criticizing other beekeepers. Apparently the only way to do it is the way the criticizing beekeeper does it. Never seen anything like it. Bunch of critical old guys who think they are smarter than everyone else. I’m talking to you Rob.
@flintliddon I'd agree bee keepers do criticise. In this case your dead wrong there's no option or choice or opinion on what subspecies of bee evolved to live hear in the uk there was only AMM and using anything else just messes up the area and is not sustainable so look into the subject before you make a comment. I'm talking to you Flinty
It ALL foreign bees. All over Western Europe and the Americas. All foreign.
can't understand you; need better voice to explain yourself