Masterclass on Modesty in Islam: Hijab, Khimar & Social Media | Khaled Abou El Fadl | Usuli Excerpts
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- In this clip from the Surah 24: Al Nur Project Illumine Halaqa, Dr. Khaled Abou El Fadl comments on verse 31 in the chapter. In particular, the Shaykh discusses the history and social significance of the headcover in Islam (or, Khimar) at the time of Qur’anic revelation.
Also in this clip, Dr. Khaled Abou El Fadl discusses: the meaning of Zina and Tabarruj; practices on social media today; substantive modesty; the objectification and commercialization of women; and the importance of women being engaged in such conversations.
The Shaykh discusses more on this topic at the end of the Project Illumine Q&A on Surah Ahzab and Tahmir.
Also apropos here is Dr. Khaled Abou El Fadl’s Fatwa on Hijab, which can be found here: / on-hijab
Visit the full recording of the Halaqa where this excerpt was taken from (Surah 24: Al Nur Day 3 and 4). These videos incorporate much more detail and information on this subject.
Explore our TH-cam page for more short excerpts from our Project Illumine Halaqa series. Additionally, follow us on our social media platform like Instagram (@usuliinstitute) where you will find more short excerpts, quotes, and clips from our videos!
For example, in france, you bring more attention to yourself if you’re wearing a jilbab or abaya (looks and sometimes even insults and assault), but when you have just modest normal clothes, no one pay attention to you. I always tought than if the principle is to no bring attention so it changes depends on the area wa allahu a3lam
Out of all my concerns in trying to perfect my religion, clothes is on the lower end of my focus. What is modest in the UK would not be considered modest in other countries but your intention is always important. .
Ma Sha Allah, Sis! You are so inspiring! You're commitment to perfecting your Deen from the inside out is so inspiring❤️. Thank you for sharing!
Nicely said mashaallah
Interesting. Earlier this year my wife decided to wear the hijab (the headcovering). Although I told her my research suggests it to be uneccessary, she argued that where we live (Jakarta, Indonesia), it's a better option. She's a businesswoman and often goes out on her own. What folks in the West call toxic masculinity and promiscuity runs rampant here. She argues that the hijab becomes a safeguard and sends a clear signal for men to stay on their lane or so to speak. We've discussed about this many times and came to the conclusion that in an ironic turn of events, it's safer to wear the hijab in muslim societies ~drum rolls~ precisely because of the muslims around us. From a purely pragmatic standpoint, had we lived in the West, she would have very little urgency to wear it.
I truly understand your perspective and can only pray that Allah open our hearts and make Muslim’s less judgemental.
I live in the west and wearing the hijab is definitely helping me to set clear boundaries with people at work whether colleague or customers. It is a beautiful and subtle way, to say I am a Muslimah and it makes it easy for me to say no to haram things.
In the west it is a pride and an honor to show ones' Muslim identity. Alhamdulellah
Not until the past 25-30 years or so, muslim women started to wear hijab in my country (indonesia), it was not common prior to that.. and it become more and more compulsory nowadays (as if you are not a good muslim - even to the extent you will go to hell - if you don’t wear them)
But I believe Quran and Islam is for all mankind, and is compatible with all ethnicities and cultures.. that different culture in clothing does not hindered one to be a muslim… the important thing is to wear a decent clothing (not revealing and vulgar).. and also most important thing is the intention in your heart..
I thank you for your explanation.. and thank you for making me aware to the danger of social media, which did not occur to me before.. i will surely be more carefull after this ❤
Wallahi i loved this video. And regardless of where you stand on the ruling, the message was powerful
I live in a small village in the UK where wearing hijab draws attention. I’ve even been racially abused by neo-Nazis while wearing hijab. This interpretation makes complete sense to me and keeps me safer as a woman especially. Alhamdulillah. Allah is Merciful and Wise.
It’s becoming increasingly obvious to me that khimar was indeed a head covering but not a head covering that was meant to cover all the hair. Researching art prior to the revelation of Quran, we see women with head scarves but their hair still showing. We also see how “Hijabis” struggle to cover all of their hair, which is why they wear under scarve. Allah(swt) indeed advised us to draw it over our breasts. He did not suggests that women whose hair was still showing were in the wrong. When we see this stress to cover the hair, as opposed to covering the breasts WITH khimar in the Muslim world- it’s obvious how misplaced the stress is.
Covering hair with tight cloth is so uncomfortable, strssing and a struggle
Where do you research pre Islamic art if I may ask?
Even with this interpretation, it's kind of sad how women's modesty is left up to society's customs or how society perceives "modesty" for women, or even bringing "undue attention" through make up or whatever, whereas men can be wearing jeans in the mosque with their butt cracks showing during Sujood, half sleeve shirts and even shorts during Salah, yet we don't have full-blown lectures about it. Does this "undue attention" not apply to men and their modesty? So which is it then? Does your look and clothing come under "grave sin" or not?
Yet some Muslims go berserk if even a little bit hair is showing under a Muslim woman's scarf.
I get it. "Marriage, motherhood and modesty" or the 3 M's, are the only 3 things men seem to care about when it comes to Muslim women. It's exhausting and somethings dehumanizing. Those things are still important, but I know that the woman, the human being herself is lost in the process. Note that this video is an excerpt from an almost 10-hour commentary on Surah Nur in the Quran. He was simply explaining the verse of hijab found in this surah. I would suggest you go into the playlist section and watch the full commentary and in fact any of the several commentaries on other Quran chapters on this channel.
What I understood from here is that no matter the dress or whatever,everyone rather man or women they should wear their dress modestly.
Our body or beauty are not for sale.
So we have to protect it.
Like a six pack man.if he show his six pack all around the world which is immodest.
So,protect your beauty and spread your talent.....
In that case i think man and Women's dress requarment are not so different.
Just not make yourself as a showbiz.....
Make yourself as an idol........with your talent your activity
right? the brothers will post pictures of them shirtless at the gym or working out and yet there are barely any lectures about that.. they think women esp muslim women are devoid of sexual attraction and only capable of inspiring it and fulfilling it in men.. (this is not about sheikh Khaled abou el fadl tho)
My husband has shared some horrible stories with me concerning the "buttcrack in rukoo/sujood" issue....😣
One of the problems is the styles made available for mens pants these days have a VERY short crotch length, so when brothers bend over, everything shows...we dont live in a muslim country so i can kinda see why these types of pants are whats available where we are, cuz the "style" that clothing is made in is made to fit the styles seen in tv, movies, magazines etc, and all that is meant to deviate mankind and make them more animalistic, sexual, and base....as far as these styles of pants in muslim countries are concerned, its unfortunate but most if not all muslim countries are "west stricken" meaning that they take their style from the West, and think everything from "the west" is good instead of having/developing their own reasonable and good looking styles.. most of the styles that come from the West don't even make sense to begin with. Women's clothes with fake pockets that dont work? Women's clothes made for going out at night and you can tell the woman is literally freezing her butt off and is uncomfortable but shes wearing it anyway? Men walking around with their pants around their thighs and their underwear butt cheeks showing?? Women's pants where 80% of the fabric in the front is just missing, trying to recreate some ripped jeans style from the 80s (and doing a HORRIBLE job at it)??? Yea, I don't know why anybody would want to emulate or imitate this crap over here! 🙄
I adore this video 👏 sincerest of thanks to Usuli Institute and Sheikh K for this wonderful content.
Salaam sheikh, admire the in-depth lecture.
One insight I want to offer on women who wear hijab and also wear a lot of makeup-I am not sure what specifics you may have come across, but I think makeup/fashion is a hobby and stress reliever for some women. As for women who wear hijab, I imagine some part of their rationale is that wearing hijab doesn't mean they can't have the likes/dislikes other women can have.
I do agree that there are limits and reflections one must have in terms of showcasing on social media and that some of these actions may not motivate growth on the person showcasing and the people viewing. I think that speaks not just for women but utility of social media in general.
This was very interesting. I especially did not know there were transmission issues with some of the hadiths usually relied on for setting women's dress code.
It is my understanding that you consider the dress code to include (i) covering the chest, (ii) substantially covering the legs, (iii) not deliberately dressing in a manner which would stand out in the relevant cultural context.
My question is, would these same guidelines be applied to the condition of "sitr el awrah" for the five daily prayers. That is, would a woman's prayer be valid if she wore a top with no cleavage and the usual jeans or trousers worn in western societies which cover the legs. Would that be enough?
Personally - even if I sympathise with the perspective of following the "spirit of the law" - the fact that this issue is involved in the daily prayers indicates to me that it's also a ritual matter which cannot be understood by pragmatic thinking. I can understand going about some daily activities wearing a "generally ok" outfit without a head covering if it would not attract any attention, but I would not feel comfortable leaving this out of my daily prayers.
Do we have any detailed info on how the female companions of the prophet de facto were dressed?
Further, if this is a culturally relative matter and covering the head doesn't contribute much to modesty, then why are the mainland europeans obsessed with it? Why did the french invest so much in fighting the head covering in Algeria if the men did not profit in some way from this?
Just some points I am considering!
As salaamun aleikum, yes theres plenty of hadith regarding the Prophets daughter and how she dressed and how she behaved regarding men. Same with the prophets wives.
a master class indeed!
What I understood from you is that women should dress in such a way that will be considered decent by the society they live in.And that is obligatory to cover chest.And about the length of clothes is not so clear as it did not say till where .
It does say, learn from the scholars
So covering hair isn’t mandatory ?
@@987lllkeylll No, unless not covering your hair would be considered immodest in that specific culture, time and place, such as it was at the time of the prophet (pbuh). If you live in the west, for example, you must cover your chest, most of your legs, and dress in a way which those around you would see you and know you to be a person of modesty. In Britain or France, for example, it's not immodest to go without a hair covering. However if you were to travel on holiday to Istanbul, then you should dress as is considered modest in that culture, which may include a hair covering.
@@swarming1092 instanbul is a western society as well
@@swarming1092 the Quran does say cover say cover ur bosoms but it’s doesn’t say u should cover ur legs tho
I really admire this lecture
In Sufism, there's a place for Malamati Sufism,ie.those who come closer to Allah through the non respectable way.So even if a woman is non orthodox,she can come closer to Allah through inviting negative feedback from people
When the context of the Quran is clear,than there is no need of hadith after that
I have always found it questionable, when women wear simultaneously wear hijab and (heavy) makeup (since wearing makeup is arguably even more enticing than showing one's hair). It seems to me that amidst all the confusion the true intent of presenting oneself modestly (men and women) has been forgotten. It seems to me even more so, that muslim sisters often feel the need to wear even heavier makeup to "make up" (no pun intended) for the desirability lost by wearing a hijab.
Tiktok and other forms of media based on superficiality are a problem in themselves and I do think that the devout muslim should steer clear of such platforms. Tiktok has become even more problematic with the myriad of AI beauty filters available. Mindless consumption thereof inadvertently clouds the mind, creating a path of entry for Shaytan.
I have been in alot of confusion about covering chest since few months. To me saying about covering head was clear that it is more culturally influenced rather than islamic teaching. However, covering chest was confusing cz i wasnot sure how women in pre islamic time used to dress. This talk has brought so much new information in light. JazakAllah for being source of brining peace to my heart. I truly believed in viewing modesty in cultural context, but i am not muslim scholar so i wasnot in capacity to tell anyone or even discuss with anyone
The key to this entire masterclass is to be found at 27:20 - don't be one of Satan's supporters!
I agree with you
Dr. Salam
I genuinely don’t understand something and would love your input. If khimar was something that was already worn by women of that time and it predated Islam. After the ayah was revealed, did women remove the khimar from their heads and put on their chest or did they simply extended it while covering their head and chest?
Also, then what is the whole cover your adornment and not display your charms except infront of some (relative) men, if women are allowed to wear makeup, jewellery, fashionable clothing and open their hair(all in modesty)Then what is God telling us to cover?
And then why is God telling older women they can remove their (outer) garment, does this mean menstrual women have to wear an outer garment along with their regular clothing? What is the significance
khimar was a cultural thing. Both men and women covered their heads to protect themselves from heat too. Khimar didnt cover all the hair. It was tied to the back of the head and nothing was on the chest. Men still wear something similar in Arab and cover their head
But what do girls do when they want to look pretty to get married? Any advice?
What I understood from here is that no matter the dress or whatever,everyone rather man or women they should wear their dress modestly.
Our body or beauty are not for sale.
So we have to protect it.
Like a six pack man.if he show his six pack all around the world which is immodest.
So,protect your beauty and spread your talent.....
In that case i think man and Women's dress requarment are not so different.
Just not make yourself as a showbiz.....
Make yourself as an idol........with your talent your activity
Why this never-ending obsession with women's clothing? What about men? Why do they get to live easier lives? Wear whatever they want, enjoy the sun, the beach etc?
How about a video focused on male modesty? Focusing on shirtless men & shorts? Unbuttoned tops and tight pants? Indecent gym selfies, muscle flexing, man-spreading? What about male decency? Are they ever scrutinised, judged, and hated?
He's simply pointing out that the verses commonly used to justify the claim that hijab is mandatory do not say anything like that; all it requires of women is that they cover their chests, their legs, and demonstrate in their dress a substantive modesty in line with the cultural norms at that time and place. The Qur'an makes many requirements of male modesty too, but it is largely misogyny and patriarchal regimes which have distracted Muslims from a full and robust understanding of how the requirements on men and women may be different but equal.
I did not understand the leg part, is the sheikh saying exposing the leg as people do while wearing shorts or entirety of the leg should be concealed.
Shaykh said the leg is to be covered. But he was talking about the details of how far from the ankle is to be covered.
He said that prostitutes used to show legs during Pre-Islamic times but later on, they were asked to cover their zeena(Beauty).
As regarding the zeena, some say that anything above ankles is zeena and should be covered, but some were of the opinion, though minority one, that 1 or 2 inches above ankles did not include in zeena and it could be shown.
Listen to Shaykh's talk at 1.5x, with concentration, then you too would enjoy his talks very much, Insha'Allah
@@burhan8147 what do you mean by 1.5x?
With all due respect to the ijtihad of Dr Abulfadl, I think we must not just jump to the conclusion that I see taking over the comments section that hijab is not essential in the west.
Actually living and working in the west for many years gave me a clearer insight into the wisdom of Allah's command re the head cover.
Allah said in Surah Ahzab 33-59, the order for modesty is so, that we get "known" as a protection for us from harm.
Hijab helps the muslim girls/ladies to show their identity and make it easier for them to create boundaries for themselves. It also makes it easy for us to know one another which is a given. Moreover, I personally find it a great reminder for me to present myself high in manners.
May Allah lighten our hearts and enable us to see and follow the truth.
Please learn more, he explained it clearly about not needing hijab in 4 hour lecture
Yaqoob bin darik...not khalid bin darik
Respectfully Sheikh, is make-up really that bad? What about cultures where men wear kohl liner? Or tribal/cultural make-up?
Sometimes make-up is even used as an art form. Is it wrong to make make-up tutorials? Now, if you mean wearing make-up to somehow sexualise oneself or some other weird thing, then sure. There are also other arguments e.g. wearing excessive amounts of make-up, tons of filters to completely distort yourself and present a false image. Or even presenting yourself as some weird caricature (e.g. drag queen make-up). But somehow, I feel like most people who wear make-up do not do it do sexualise/objectify themselves..
Shaykh didnt say ‘abit of make up’. Shaykh said ‘dolled up’. Theres a big difference. You get dolled up to sexualise yourself. Wearing abit of makeup to blend your big nose is different.
Did you listen to the talk fully? At the very last, he talks about makeup that was used in old days and what decent makeup for becoming presentable is.
@@Hamza00011 I think some Muslim men would even call a little bit of make up "dolled up".
That last part you said, what does that even mean? Why would they "blend" a feature? Or do you mean "contouring"? Contouring seems to be done by people who wear more of a full face of make-up anyway...
@@burhan8147 Yes, I did but I re-watched that last part. He said, ".. the attitude of, 'I will doll myself up to the point of becoming a showpiece'", or something like that.
But then he did say, "attitude", so I guess it also depends on the person's intentions. He did also say "these are all culturally defined" in the context of reasons people might wear make-up.
My point was, there are some women who make art through make-up or do make-up tutorials, and not to "sexualise/objectify" themselves.
@@dearrationals I don't think so, I think there is a difference, even to other women, on what is natural look makeup that you would wear at the office and makeup women wear when attending to a wedding or a party. It's different. As a woman I know it's different.
أعوذ بالله من الشيطان الرجيم بِسْمِ ٱللَّٰهِ ٱلرَّحْمَٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِ
{ يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلنَّبِيُّ قُل لِّأَزۡوَٰجِكَ وَبَنَاتِكَ وَنِسَآءِ ٱلۡمُؤۡمِنِينَ يُدۡنِينَ عَلَيۡهِنَّ مِن جَلَٰبِيبِهِنَّۚ ذَٰلِكَ أَدۡنَىٰٓ أَن يُعۡرَفۡنَ فَلَا يُؤۡذَيۡنَۗ وَكَانَ ٱللَّهُ غَفُورٗا رَّحِيمٗا }
[سُورَةُ الأَحۡزَابِ: ٥٩]
O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks (veils) all over their bodies (i.e. screen themselves completely except the eyes or one eye to see the way). That will be better, that they should be known (as free respectable women) so as not to be annoyed. And Allâh is Ever Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
Man I’m starting to realize how much ignorance is a blessing at times. I just want someone to eat me, stare at me, objectify me like I’m a gold trophy. 😭😭😭😭.
Lmfao, at least you're honest
Aight man chill out 💀
Great sarcasm!