I am enjoying this lesson on Abinidi so much. The story of King Noah and Abinidi has haunted me from the first time I read it 46 years ago. ( personal note please ) when my daughter entered the 1st. grade , my wife put her in a little "christian" school . One day the teacher ask this 1st.grade class if they could name an evil king (scriptural type ) my daughter raised her hand and when called answered King Noah😊 everyone including the teacher laughed at her. I threatened to go to this school next day and read some real scriptures to this ignorant teacher. My wife begged me not to.
I love you two. When I first read these scriptures we did not have the internet or this wonderful resource ( Scripture Central ) you both have taught me how to search the scriptures. Thank you.
I’ve never realized that Abinadi is like Moses, that he used chiasmus, that this is a legal trial, and how by choosing to not retract his statements, Abinadi is saying, “You are willing to break the commandments and murder to be on the side of God, but I am willing to die to be on the side of God. I win!” 😆🙌🏻
Another Come Follow Me episode brought up the idea that perhaps Abinadi was one of King Zeniff's high priests. Perhaps when he was gone for 2 years, he was with other high priests that had been removed.
Can someone clarify some parts. Why does King Noah organize a council with his priests to determine what do to with Abinadi (Mosiah 12:17) when one chapter earlier it said the king already made a decree to slay him (11:28)? Mosiah 13:5 compares the shining face of Abinadi with the shining face of Moses but I notice that in Abinadi's case, his face was shining when he was speaking with the king but Moses face was shining after he had spoken with God on Mount Sinai. In the case of Moses, the shining eventually wore off. The shining in Abinadi's case stopped as soon as he finished speaking with the king. Mosiah 13:17-19 teaches about six literal days of creation so people could know how long they were to keep the Sabbath day holy. If a Sabbath day was hundreds of years in length, they would not be in compliance. "Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work; But the seventh day, the sabbath of the Lord thy God, thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy man-servant, nor thy maid-servant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and the sea, and all that in them is; wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it".
I'd like to comment on the first 3 questions you asked. I believe that Noah felt shaken by Abinadi's words and wanted support from his priests. On the Shining face, I believe that the Lord's spirit was with Abinadi until he was finished with his message and his sacrifice sealed it.
Noah even offered Abinadi a loophole for a reprieve: “... thou shalt be put to death unless thou wilt recall all the words which thou hast spoken evil concerning me and my people.” Of course, Abinadi rejected the plan in powerfully inspiring words: “I will suffer even until death, and I will not recall my words, and they shall stand as a testimony against you. And if ye slay me ye will shed innocent blood, and this shall also stand as a testimony against you at the last day.” King Noah was indeed shaken, “for he feared that the judgments of God would come upon him.” However, the priests were unyielding against letting him go, and stirred the king into anger again (See Mosiah 17:9-12). On the shining face, the Lord was with him indeed. It also deterred the people from “laying hands on him.” “The Spirit of the Lord was upon him; and his face shone with exceeding luster, even as Moses’ did while in the mount of Sinai, while speaking with the Lord” (See Mosiah 13:5).
“The conversion of Alma the Elder directed the path of his descendants for the next 450 years. We can trace the record through his faithful posterity all the way to Ammaron, the last of the line, who gave the plates to Mormon. As far as we know, Alma was Abinadi’s only direct convert. Although Abinadi might have thought he was a failure, he had little idea how far and wide his influence would extend” (John W. Welch, Inspirations and Insights from the Book of Mormon: A come, Follow Me Commentary, 128).
Good point! "When you think of Abinadi, he is like Paul, apparently a lawyer and adamantly faithful. He is certainly trained in the scriptures." (Br Welch, Edgemont Classes. January 2012).
I am enjoying this lesson on Abinidi so much. The story of King Noah and Abinidi has haunted me from the first time I read it 46 years ago. ( personal note please ) when my daughter entered the 1st. grade , my wife put her in a little "christian" school . One day the teacher ask this 1st.grade class if they could name an evil king (scriptural type ) my daughter raised her hand and when called answered King Noah😊 everyone including the teacher laughed at her. I threatened to go to this school next day and read some real scriptures to this ignorant teacher. My wife begged me not to.
You both do such a wonderful job of enlightening. Thank you so much!
I always look forward to and always enjoy these insightful lessons ❤
Simply amazing stuff!
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I am so excited to be able to learn about chiamius. I didn’t know they were a thing. So helpful! Thank you for sharing!
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Awesome lesson this week!
Thank goodness, we will be judged on the intellect of our mind and the true desire of our hearts. Otherwise there is no justice and there is no mercy.
I love you two. When I first read these scriptures we did not have the internet or this wonderful resource ( Scripture Central ) you both have taught me how to search the scriptures. Thank you.
I’ve never realized that Abinadi is like Moses, that he used chiasmus, that this is a legal trial, and how by choosing to not retract his statements, Abinadi is saying, “You are willing to break the commandments and murder to be on the side of God, but I am willing to die to be on the side of God. I win!” 😆🙌🏻
Thank goodness we only have to die once ( in the body) but our spirits live on.
I bet that chiasmus is not only a meaningful poetic method, but also a powerful structure for making memorization easy!
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Another Come Follow Me episode brought up the idea that perhaps Abinadi was one of King Zeniff's high priests. Perhaps when he was gone for 2 years, he was with other high priests that had been removed.
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Can someone clarify some parts.
Why does King Noah organize a council with his priests to determine what do to
with Abinadi (Mosiah 12:17) when one chapter earlier it said the king already
made a decree to slay him (11:28)?
Mosiah 13:5 compares the shining face of Abinadi with the shining face of Moses
but I notice that in Abinadi's case, his face was shining when he was speaking
with the king but Moses face was shining after he had spoken with God on Mount
Sinai. In the case of Moses, the shining eventually wore off. The shining in
Abinadi's case stopped as soon as he finished speaking with the king.
Mosiah 13:17-19 teaches about six literal days of creation so people could
know how long they were to keep the Sabbath day holy. If a Sabbath day was
hundreds of years in length, they would not be in compliance.
"Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work; But the seventh day, the sabbath
of the Lord thy God, thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter,
thy man-servant, nor thy maid-servant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is
within thy gates; For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and the sea,
and all that in them is; wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed
it".
I'd like to comment on the first 3 questions you asked. I believe that Noah felt shaken by Abinadi's words and wanted support from his priests. On the Shining face, I believe that the Lord's spirit was with Abinadi until he was finished with his message and his sacrifice sealed it.
Noah even offered Abinadi a loophole for a reprieve: “... thou shalt be put to death unless thou wilt recall all the words which thou hast spoken evil concerning me and my people.” Of course, Abinadi rejected the plan in powerfully inspiring words: “I will suffer even until death, and I will not recall my words, and they shall stand as a testimony against you. And if ye slay me ye will shed innocent blood, and this shall also stand as a testimony against you at the last day.” King Noah was indeed shaken, “for he feared that the judgments of God would come upon him.” However, the priests were unyielding against letting him go, and stirred the king into anger again (See Mosiah 17:9-12).
On the shining face, the Lord was with him indeed. It also deterred the people from “laying hands on him.” “The Spirit of the Lord was upon him; and his face shone with exceeding luster, even as Moses’ did while in the mount of Sinai, while speaking with the Lord” (See Mosiah 13:5).
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Where do I find the colourful map of the land that you show on your podcast. Please share. I really enjoyed your podcast.
Abinidi is a linchpin figure in the Book of Mormon. Through his convert Alma the church is reestablished.
“The conversion of Alma the Elder directed the path of his descendants for the next 450 years. We can trace the record through his faithful posterity all the way to Ammaron, the last of the line, who gave the plates to Mormon. As far as we know, Alma was Abinadi’s only direct convert. Although Abinadi might have thought he was a failure, he had little idea how far and wide his influence would extend” (John W. Welch, Inspirations and Insights from the Book of Mormon: A come, Follow Me Commentary, 128).
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Good point! "When you think of Abinadi, he is like Paul, apparently a lawyer and adamantly faithful. He is certainly trained in the scriptures." (Br Welch, Edgemont Classes. January 2012).
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