Why I Refuse to Grow Hemp
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 เม.ย. 2019
- Let me explain why I refuse to grow hemp this year. And what I plan to do on our farm instead. It's going to make for one weird farm business plan.
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That is probably the most thought out decision I'll see him the internet today! Kudos to you for thinking it through and not going for the shiny penny just because it's the shiny penny.
Thank you, Rick!
Consider growing chickpeas. It's a much more established "venture", with equipment and buyers being a lot more available.
As more and more people stop eating meat or cut down, they're going to need lysine from somewhere else.
Lysine is an *essential* amino acid, meaning the body can't produce it by itself, it has to be in the food.
Chickpeas are by far the best source of it.
At least do some calculations on the potential/probable expenses and income.
Also, they need to dry out, which they can either do on the field, or in the barn (in case it's a rainy season).
Nice job!
Finally, it's good to hear an honest assessment of the CBD industry.
Grower beware!
you know I plan on getting into hemp farming and processing my plan is to grow hemp in hoop houses and process them onsite into concentrates because concentrates can sell for as much as $60 a gram currently. And if I grow 1,000 plants and subtract 500 plants for testing and personal use considering each plant can produce a minimum of 400 grams of flower buds.
That is 200,000 grams now after extraction that is still 20,000 grams considering you get a 10% return on flower after extraction so even if I sell short at $50 a gram for concentrates I produce that is still $1,000,000 gross income before taxes and everything. And I figured out even if I have 4 employees after literally everything, I am still left with $500,000 net income from one hoop house.
So, it's definitely worth it and the 2023 farm bill that is coming up will up the total allowable THC percentage to 1% total THC which is a lot more reasonable.
"Release the quackens!" haha.
You and your wife are very wise to be very aware about not overextending. It's a mistake we made when starting out, and I'm still playing catch up years later. I was certainly too excited and ambitious about making a lot of dreams happen at once : )
There will always be a place for small batch boutique type products. Don't worry too much.
Try growing elderberry. Takes 3-5 years for berries. But you could do something in between. Maybe microgreens. Those are very popular.
Hey !
First year of being a goosegrrl. Living outside of Island Pond, Vt.
4 enders, 1 gander & 3 grrls.
I couldn't have done it without your videos and vision.
Contract me for your first 5 CBS plants.
Disabled and pain requires.
Would love to visit your geese and observe your set-ups.
Please let me know when you have open -barn or other events!
Will wear mask !
"There's crazy high demand!"
"There's a glut"
Ah, the Ol' MLM model.
Sounds good GSF!! I WILL BE TUNING IN!
Good choice I think Morgan. Producing good quality food, in my mind, is always the better option. I've never really understood the rationale for using prime agricultural land for growing hemp. Good luck with the geese!
Thanks!
@Jo Brown
Hemp is excellent for cleaning up contaminated & overworked soils. It's fast growth rate makes it an excellent rotation crop, reducing erosion & increasing later crop yields. I see a field of hemp as a farmer caring for the land so it can continue producing food later on.
I hope one day you go into small scale, high quality production of hemp. If you had 60 lights in an indoor setup, you could get a Quest unit for 30k and build the structure for another 20-30k, one harvest of 30% CBD flower could pay for the operation twice over. glad to see you with the geese these days!
If you host a local dinner we will for sure come!!! This new idea sounds like so much fun! Can’t wait to follow this new adventure!!
Thanks! I'll let you know as the plan develops.
Thanks for the perspective
Go for it! Like it a lot more than the hemp idea. Goose for Christmas sounds good to me. Keep us informeb
I think you've thought this out nicely. Infrastructure and finding demand takes time and money but building on something you already know is an easier position to start from. What do you think would be the thing you'd add to make your life easier with the larger number of animals?
I have no idea about the market, but hemp is very easy to clone. You might even just sell clones. As plants go, it is very easy, has high need for sun but relatively low water needs. I don’t have enough space, but it is so versatile. Something that I would look into would be clover as a cover crop and hay production. Again, I don’t know how it grows there. But if it grows well it could serve as food for both ducks and geese. Maybe the same is true with hemp, I haven’t really explored that.
I can't wait to see the goslings!!
Mid-May will be ridiculously cute.
Love what you're doing there! Have you looked into permaculture? Hemp pretty much grows anywhere, so it's a good 'starters plant' if you grow it for industrial purposes. Instead of clones you could grow some from seeds on cottonwool inside. Once they're plants you can take clones from them. This way you can multiply them exponentially and have a field of them up in a few years. Perhaps you could turn the fiber into hempcrete? It's a fairly cheap, easy, and nature-friendly process. If you can make a deal with a house builder somewhere, there's your first customer. Just some random thoughts. Curious to see what you'll come up with next. Keep up the good work!
ps: Love your ducks. In a permaculture garden they're super helpful to eat slugs from the garden. They could save you some grain if you create a slug problem. ;-)
pps: Thanks for the math and clearing up the title! :D
That's a cool idea. I want to look into that. Thanks!
Appreciated how you broke out the nunbers, actually, wish you went further to also talk not just about cost in detail but also gross and net profit.
Would love a series more on the business side of things.
I think your making a wise decision. Enjoyed hearing your whole thought process on the matter.
I personally dont think you'll be disappointed with the geese. We have been raising them (Toulouse, White Chinese and Buff Pomeranian) for years and absolutley love them, even more so than our ducks. One thing you should research is the market for goose meat in your area. I know here in TN, it's not as common as in other areas of the country, but heritage turkey, on the other hand, demands top dollar at market. Also, do you plan on withholding a few pairs for future stock or purchasing goslings every year? If you chose to breed your own, you could select for the traits you want most from your flock instead of chancing it every year with a hatchery. Incubating goose eggs can be tricky, but is far from impossible and is amazingly rewarding. I'm glad I just happened upon your channel and look forward to seeing what's in store for your farm. If you ever need any help with the geese, I'd be happy to share what they've taught me over the years. Good luck with your newest endeavor!
Thanks for the advice and support. I'm really excited to start. My first birds show up in mid May.
you make a great point for your situation there bud.
Dont say bud thats offensive
Great video of the insight into your planning. Always play the contrarian and do not go rushing in. With respect to the geese you should try to increase the feed by sprouting the grain and feeding the geese barley grass, assuming they eat barley grass, that way you can feed the geese sprouted grass in the winter.
That’s a great suggestion. I know a few other geese farmers that feed their birds sprouted grains.
Gold Shaw Farm I know nothing about growing poultry. So I don’t know what types of grass / vegetables they eat but I have eaten a lot of duck and goose over the years and like it 😂. But I do know about seed sprouting. I grow broccoli, wasabi mustard (or what passes in North America as the real thing), radish, kohlrabi, peas, barley grass (for smoothies) and red cabbage into micro greens in 12” x 24” trays. I grow these for my own use. Broccoli seeds are the most expensive, because the micro greens have proven to prevent cancer in mice, and a 1 kg bag of seeds really lasts a long time. We are talking about a year. A 5 kg bag of peas costs less than a 1 kg bag of peas but it will last me about two years. I grow in ground up coconut coir, which the feed growers do not in the videos I see, but the micro green people do. Every once in a while After I harvest I will take a tray of coir and roots and use it as bedding for my my worms after I harvest the worm doo doo. My worms live in a 18” x 18” container.
Hey maybe that’s what you can do is grow worms along with the geese. With a space that you can keep above 15 degrees those babies will multiply like crazy and the prices are pretty good.
I appreciate your analysis. I’m not a horticulturist either, and my family thinking we’ll be able to get some to work it for their share of the crop. Ha! CBD is a fad, at best I’m thinking you can sell the seeds for oil and fiber for bedding. Some industrial applications are still prospective to me and it hasn’t quite matched fiber glass in all around properties. I’ve ate the seeds before, not my absolute favorite. It’s like the plant that was almost useful. I think I may still do it because I don’t mind interacting with the local economy, I’d just need someone who wants the seeds
So after watching a couple of your videos how about rent some of your property out to a hemp farmer? Let them do the planting handling and split on profits?
I've looked, but I haven't found a partner for something like that...yet.
😹😹love your thought proses weighing up the pros and cons, every Christmas I don’t do turkey can’t stand it, I buy either duck or goose for the dinner table along with a rolled Pork roast I am so glad you decided on geese as mean as the males get during mating season 😹😹😹 it’s a good follow through with having ducks already 😺😺in Australia up have to have a special license to grow hemp it’s not a crop that a farmer can just decide to do one season to the next so I am wondering if it’s the same in the States as well.
I know this is old, but maybe you're watching notifications. Did you happen to look into growing hemp for livestock use by chance? We were given a bag of seed recently and understand hemp is very good for livestock feed, bedding, etc. All the information I'm finding is focused on much large production for CBD or industrial ends. Supposedly, we can just throw seed out there and it'll grow like mad without any effort, but I find that difficult to believe.
Sounds wise. You can only do what you can do :)
Truer words have never been written.
I be interested in leasing 2 acres from you to raise rainbow trout and connect an aquaponics greenhouse to it.
PS: I wonder what effect on the meat it would be to let the geese grow in a hemp pasture...
20 pounds of cbd flower properly grown can fetch $100.00 per oz. or $32,000 for the 20 pounds
That's how much the retailer sells for. It doesn't indicate what a grower might expect.
Necessary scale is 50 acres or so at 300-400 per lb
Will you need to add a freezer or two, or do you sell them all fresh? Those guys are big to store :) Do you buy both male and female/straight run? Already hatched? Do you process everything before the "bad" weather sets in? How many months is that? Do they lay enough eggs that it would be reasonable to keep some breeding trios? What sex are the couple you have? Are there choices in breeds? I'm actually sure that you will be answering these questions as time goes on. It will make a good playlist :)
oops, just realized that I was thinking the pekins were geese!
You should get a couple of kiddy pools for the ducks
I have them. I have found that the cheap plastic cracks really easily during the cold months. I'll bring them back out when the snow melts.
How can you protect the geese if they are free ranging? Why would it cost $700 to process them?
Probably someone else is doing it? Sometimes you have to have a special license to process them to resell to the public. At least that is how it is in So Many Laws NY.
That's awesome! Are geese eggs used from a culinary perspective also?
Not really. We've been raising geese for a few years now and geese are seasonal layers, averaging between 16-30 eggs a year with 21 being about average production for Chinese and such. Given the low production, eggs are usually incubated to replenish the population post harvest.
Willow Wren Acres that’s good to know thank you for responding 😊
Glad to hear its not due to some anti pot smoking feelings. Really enjoying your channel. I have quite a few duck friends in my neighborhood. Cool to see you raise them and learn along the way.
Thanks! And as far as the pot smoking thing goes, I believe that people should be free to live their life however they want as long as they don't hurt others. I fail to see how pot hurts others. Fine by me!
@@GoldShawFarm welcome!
I think I would get 20 dollars worth of hemp seed and grow it just to see how that goes. It's supposed to be a pretty good cover crop. I wonder if it could be forage for your geese. And a hoop house would come in quite handy for whatever you do. But I think i would water my water situation set first.
I love the idea of trying to use it as fodder. Stay tuned.
Out here in Oregon the CBD market is so saturated some friends of ours say that it has a tighter margin than hay! That is in a place where it is grown in the sun and not even in greenhouses. Good choice on the geese, they will graze like sheep. Plus they are better on the environment than hemp which is super nutrient dependent. Great video ~ Katie
Thank you, Katie!
good video
Thank you!
it's hard to do it all when you're a one-man show.
Lol u can grade land with out a tractor u can till it up with a rotor tiller or till it by hand
Hemp for cbd is a high learning curve and it’s a current farming fad. Best to look to finished product for sale. If at all.
Buying clones is giving away lots of money and is the easiest part of hemp cultivation that takes very little time with an incredibly high success rate. If you can exploit the clone market, do it.
you know I plan on getting into hemp farming and processing my plan is to grow hemp in hoop houses and process them onsite into concentrates because concentrates can sell for as much as $60 a gram currently. And if I grow 1,000 plants and subtract 500 plants for testing and personal use considering each plant can produce a minimum of 400 grams of flower buds.
That is 200,000 grams now after extraction that is still 20,000 grams considering you get a 10% return on flower after extraction so even if I sell short at $50 a gram for concentrates I produce that is still $1,000,000 gross income before taxes and everything. And I figured out even if I have 4 employees after literally everything, I am still left with $500,000 net income from one hoop house.
So, it's definitely worth it and the 2023 farm bill that is coming up will up the total allowable THC percentage to 1% total THC which is a lot more reasonable.
I did that with fire , cinder block.= cracks
Hemp seed for duck feed. you would have my blessing if you only raised hemp for seed just like hay for cows.
That's a cool idea. I'm going ot look into that.
Seems like a good idea until you get sued for knocking up one of your neighbors CBD fields with your male pollen and ruining their crop. Just something to consider if you’re growing hemp for seed.
If it's a good thing at scale, eventually the big guys always crush the little guys.
"Quite the buzz around hemp production" - awesome reference!! Good planning leads to good results. You will do great! I know you thought of it - but there may be a cost for structure to house the geese.
You're right. I forgot to add that into my totals. My plan is to use the one chicken tractor I already have and build three more at a total cost of ~$300.
Great info, I can tell you've done your research, and I learned a few things! Great video. 🙂
Thank you!
aren't you going to make just 3-4k minus expenses from the 50 geese for an entire year?(based on my lokal prices) not very profitable when thinking about how much work goes in to it.
I'd just get a monster truck and let the rest of life fall into place.
Geese. Interesting. The upside is you can always eat them if your business doesn't work out.
Even if it does work out, we will probably eat them!
Glad to hear your going with the geese. I think it will be a wonderful opportunity for you. Wishing you the best in your new endeavor. Best, Francine
Thank you!
Why not just for fibre? Bail it like hay.. sell it to a processor. That's what we are up to on our farm.
Find a buyer . We are also raising hair sheep. The perfect livestock for low maintenance and great returns selling lambs.
Great video Morgan. I love the idea of raising geese. You will have to elaborate on what breed you plan, if you are going to keep breeder geese, and exactly how much food they eat. Geese is one of the costliest meets which is raised on grass. Can't wait for future videos. 👍
Thanks, Ben! I'll put together a video in a week or two going into the breeds I plan to raise and how I'm going to do it. Stay tuned!
Morgan, how much for a Christmas goose?
They will probably run somewhere between $60-80, depending on weight.
Are you going to get more ducks?
I don't plan to buy more ducks. But there are a couple of ducks that might end up on the farm real soon. And I have plans to hatch a whole bunch this summer.
Duckumentation is key! ;-)
I do canabise infused eggs
Might be the negative connotations that come with hemp. That's why no one wants to talk to you about it. They could view you as a potential "trap", so they just hush.
Glut on marijuana products in the west here. A lot of growers and dispensaries are struggling, even closing down. The idea you have for the geese sounds smarter. Build on what you know how to do already strengthens your farm. This will be interesting and I hope you find the better way to produce them you were talking about.
Thank you!
Great job putting this together... And very good explanation
Thank you!
You should get into raising meat rabbits very easy and very prolific and profitable and if you have excess pig fat they're excellent eating even without the excess pig fat they're good but you need some kind of fat for them make an excellent
The geese might help warn you about predators.
Yes. I'm also seriously considering a livestock guardian dog.
Yes. I'm also seriously considering a livestock guardian dog.
Yes. I'm also seriously considering a livestock guardian dog.
I’m not sure I agree. Hemp bud is going to explode. And buyers are going to want local organic craft bud. And once MJ is fully legal, you have clientele and can easily move into that space. Growing hemp to be processed into oil by big buyers is pointless, you will be crushed.
I think you make a fair point.
I agree; I tried cbd flower and imo it's perfect.
Matthew PW yeah, it’s going to blow up for sure.
I don't know man, Geese aren't majestic as ducks
Ps, after watching some geese videos, I changed my mind they are very useful in gurding.
Do you already have a buyer for the geese? I personally don't know anyone that eats duck or goose meat. Is it used for something else?
I have three so far. And maybe one restaurant client. Goose meat used be a popular food for special occasions. (Christmas goose!) That said, I will have my work cut out for me when it comes to marketing.
Personally, if goose was available to me, I'd eat it. I'd *become* a buyer.
I would grow it for myself lol
To bad, Gold Shaw Farm Cannabis Grove sounds awesome.
Great video as always Morgan
Thanks, Paul!
Goose meat...who knew? :)
Hey Morgan, really enjoying the podcasts too! I can’t believe you’ve spoke with the same channels I follow. Not to surprising, as we’re all like minded about homesteading. Have you connected Al Lumnah? - I think he’d be a great interview. Jess and Serina were terrific - like minded, yet very different - well done. 😀🇨🇦
Thanks, Jeff. Al will be on soon. He and I are trying to work out a time to record together in person.
CBD is good, and THC is better. Taxes and permits are wrong. Grow it, Sell it, Spend it. Make your wallett great again.
Ill have a a look at what your going to do with the Geese. I`ve got Tououse. Love them, I don`t like processing them however.
That's one of the trickier parts, for sure. I've got a mobile butcher who will process them for me, but I'm going to need to help.
america is a very profitable market for chickens, geese, especially quail and duck, compared to china we dont produce
Really?
@@GoldShawFarm you can find quail and duck anywhere in china, like you can chicken in America
Ducks! On Ice!
And your rabbits can graze
I couldn't imagine growing hemp....local pot heads would find out and raid your plants.....
Steve why, you can’t get high from hemp
@@gumbykillah4761 lol, shows you what I know about drugs!
@@Steve-ps6qw at least you're honest about it and learned something new! Lifes all about learning new things and growing as a tree! Cheers!
Morgan it's always interesting to hear what you've been up to...today is no exception! If you want a crash course in Goose Management just come down to LI and take a walk at some of our State Parks! We have goose problems all over and it boggles my mind that no hunting season has ever been tried! It's not like you need a gun or bow, just pick up rocks and you've got a great chance at landing yourself a free meal! Goose vs Duck, hmmmm, bigger bird.... bigger poop! LI was once the premier provider of gourmet Duck, hence the Long Island Ducks baseball franchise or for those old timers the NHL team that once played on Long Island also The Ducks! Duck farming eventually ended because of the negitive environmental impact it had on the tidal streams and ponds. I'm not sure what scale you'd have to grow to for profitability but have you considered the Goose Poop aspect of the endeavor? I'm thinking it's the Sh#&y part of the deal! Keep up the good work, I'm always curious as to where your heading next!
I fully expect to acquire some sort of goosekeeping related injury at some point this summer. And I only see the upside to the goose poop. My plan will be to rotate them on pasture, like many people do with sheep and cattle. Their poop will be fertilizer.
@@GoldShawFarm sounds like a good plan.
I think it’s a great idea and doesn’t it feel great to finally make a decision! How will the geese and ducks get along?
You’re 100% right about the relief of making a decision. I’m going to raise most of the geese and ducks separately, but I might peel off a pair and keep them with the ducks. Those two would be raised as guard geese.
Gold Shaw Farm anyone who has chased by a goose knows what great guard animals they are! Good luck Morgan.... I think this is great!
You should get a cannabis marijuana license because its going to be legal in Vermont in a couple of months
Do you not realize you can make $100,000 an acre
The problem with hemp is that the government doesn't know how to take their noses out of it and let people grow it as they see fit. Same with marijuana.
grow hemp and feed your ducks for free lol and hemp has way wayway way way way way more then just cbd....
I think it’s smart of you to forego the hemp operation right now, but I’m not so sure about the geese. I guess you like the ducks, so maybe it will be right up your alley. I just can’t help but think they might destroy your land and leave a stinky gross mess everywhere. I hope your wife is on board with it and I hope it turns out well for you!
Allison is definitely on board. And I'm not too worried about destruction. I see the geese as a relatively low risk experiment. If it doesn't go well, they won't be back in 2020.
What about all the wonderful other parts of hemp.. in polyculture its the best!
Love an other duck farmer
please don't eat the goose ):
Or getting a cannabis license and put a store on your gold shaw farms
Grow some kush, you’ll thank me later
Glad you came to a decision! We knew it would be a big one... keep dreaming! In the Bible it says “without a dream, the people perish”. ☺️ CORRECTION “Vision” not dream ... Proverbs 29:18
William Roach sorry I meant VISION ... I was multitasking 🤦🏻♀️
William Roach PROVERBS 29:18
Chickens!!!!
Ha. But that would be way to conventional for me.
growing hemp or weed for cbd, could attract criminals. also, screw dealing with the state.
Not many people like eat goose. To greasy and gamey taste.
Domestic goose is not gamey, and it's not greasy if you cook it right. And that fat is FANTASTIC stuff.
@@BacktoEdenUrbanFarm to each their own.
I don't know, Celtic Bear. I think it is delicious.
@@GoldShawFarm To each their own.
Lots of Asian people eat alot of duck and goose..
In Arizona you go to jail for growing hemp. It completely illegal.
Luckily, we don’t have that problem here in Vermont. Even our Lt Governor is growing hemp. There are legal complexities, but no legal barriers.
There was some kind of a bill on hemp that failed in the state legislature recently. There a lot of retirees in Arizona that vote against hemp at every turn. I’m completely against smoking and growing weed. I vote against marijuana every time. Legitimate hemp farming is an entire subject. That still up for debate.
Gold Shaw we can’t grow hemp but we can legally carry concealed firearms. I’ll take the firearms any day.
@@gardeningingnometown5644 maybe the "hemp" (due to its close relation to it's happier cousin Marijuana) is forbidden because of the full carry situation! Good way to keep stoners from shooting at things that they think they're seeing! Weed n Winchester probably not a good combination!
@@gardeningingnometown5644 really dude! Relax, your a bit high strung and apparently not from weed! What was said was in a sarcastic spirit, you need to let things go if you don't understand them, shesh! Oh, and by the way, your statement reinforced exactly what my point was! Try thinking before firing back!
Carbon engineering is part of a solution. Okay 1 acre of hemp! Produces 3 to 4 times the amount of oxygen"as a acre of trees, at the same time sucking in 3 to 4 times the amount of carbon dioxide un oxygenated air as a acre of trees. As a added bonus it rejuvenates replenishes the soil back to Garden of paradise type quality! After every harvest' even if the landscape has been previously stripped robbed depleted of all its value from overharvesting things such as cotton corn soybeans. It has even been successfully grown and radiated soil. Equally as amazing hemp!! Makes over 26,000 different things) couple examples bio fossil fuel this type of fuel only releases the same amount of carbon dioxide un oxygenated air per mile, as a person does when the exhale! Versus coal oil gas fracking sand oil the worst of all. Which release tens of millions of years worth of petrified death! Per mile. Hemp has been proven, to be 10 times stronger 30% lighter than steel stronger lighter than concrete stronger lighter than brick' far more versatile making the design possibility practically limitless+ plus it is easier to work with on-site which would allow people to build stronger faster much more efficient at a fraction of the cost of what we are doing today. Hemp has the same nutritional value, as rice corn beans wheat barley milk . Hemp clothing distributes moisture across the body more efficiently then any other material leaving a person feeling and smelling their best even under the most extreme circumstances. It promotes good respiratory function, so if a person has asthma allergies or other breathing complications just by wearing it's clothing a person will alleviate those symptoms with the potential of diminishing them all together. And that is the short list. So your solution is good. However it is not going to create clean high paying jobs from coast-to-coast) that will improve upon and maintain the quality of our air water foods landscapes working living environment every day home products. The powers that be are motivated by money. So let them know that the real money!! Is in advanced power sources that are self sustainable renewable' new age high quality material resources substances that are stronger lighter easier to work with more versatile. Allowing people to use them as much as they would like or need without leaving any excess poison is toxic waste behind. We cannot be our best unless we improve upon and maintain the quality of life, so each person's generation may become stronger smarter healthier happier better off physically mentally financially possibly spiritually than the previous generation. As of now today's people are living dying off to a diminished quality of life compared to our ancient ancestors that existed for thousands of years in the many great ancient civilized nations. We have the manpower technology resources to make this kind of progress. And if the motivational tool is finances this is where it's at. Thank you for sharing your time here on TH-cam.
Thanks for the thoughts. These are some really great ideas in here!
did you just put hemp in the title to get views