I’m really not a boating/sailing/shipping guy, never really had an interest, honestly I don’t even really enjoy being out on the water. I am fascinated by Waterline Stories, not in a macabre sort of way but genuinely fascinated.
If I can't swim back to shore I'm too far out. With few exceptions, if I can't relatively safely land on the surface on my feet im to high Yet, I watch a bunch of marine and aviation content. Actually, maybe that's why I think the way I do.
What an amazing rescue, maximum respect to the rescuers. Shout out also to JT who kept calm and gave all details. That legal nonsense about having to wait for permission to act while lives are at stake needs to be thrown out. Just ridiculous that professional RESCUERS fear legal action in situations like this! Glad all crew were saved! Excellent video and presentation as always!
We had a situation where ist responders were held because of " health and safety " bureaucrats, costing lives. it was the Arianna Grande bombing in Manchester UK.
I think you misheard. They weren't professional rescuers that had to wait for permission, they were tug boat captains in charge of tugging ships in and out of port. Not rescuers AT ALL.
i also stumped on that tugboats twice ignored the left turn, that could bring back the ship to stable position, then speed also accelerated what caused more tilting in the wrong direction the errors itself werent enough to cause but together lead to this mayhem
Sadly it is an issue at many ships with sailors leaving watertight doors open due to them needing to cross them regulary. a good example on how important it is to close them is the Stena Nautica incident. In 2004 Stena Nautica collided between Sweden and Denmark with the polish vessel Joanna a much smaller cargo ship. Nautica beeing a fairly large ferry should be able to handle a hole made by joanna but she started to take in alot of water and the flooding spread itself quite fast. Nautica was forced to return to port and when she did so sunk to the bottom og the port after evacuating all passngers. She nearly rolled in port and the car decks was mostly flooded but luckily for two competition horses who was on the upperdeck their part never got flooded and the ferry never rolled. It was damn close though. All this happened due to some of the crew leaving a few of the watertght doors open on a regular basis. Due to old design and poor layout they needed to cross them multiple times every crossing which is around 3 hours and 30 minutes. Stenas ferries are generally considered probably the best in the world in their class and the crews are seen as highly competent. And i know for a fact that Stena Line is extreamly focused to both crew and passenger safety. but this just shows that even the better companies when it comes to ship safety have problems with regular crews who has been trained to know the importance of watertight doors still have these issues.
This happened in my hometown. We stared at this ship off our beach’s for the longest time. We were all so happy for no casualties and completely surprised it could even happen. I mean growing up Sidney Lanier bridge was a draw bridge and we have been watching those boats come in and out our entire lives. The bridge collapsed in the 70s and was rebuild (that’s a terrible story and many deaths). It was rebuild in the 90s and no more drawbridge
that decision to beach the ship bought some time though. imagine most would have died if that ship went all the way under. that was a good call. its crazy to me that anyone would think its totally find to not have any checksum for those kind of calc tho
I know “JT” personally. He’s a great dude and he is personally responsible with saving many of the people on that ship due to his quick thinking and leadership. That dude is a hero, full stop.
Great work here on the Golden Ray. I live here, in Brunswick. We were out on the water that day when she sailed into port. We pulled over on a channel beach and sat and watched this huge car carrier. Then next morning, imagine the surprise of seeing her laid over on her port side with active-ongoing rescue ops. The rescue/s were keeping everyone on edge. It took quite a bit of time for the ship to be salvaged as well. That was an interesting enterprise itself. Out pilots here are all top notch. Our Coast Guard Station is right in a little creek next to Sidney Lanier bridge. Anyway, Just wanted to say thanks for covering this. I've been subscribed for some time to your channel and really appreciate the content and its presentation. I know it must be a challenge to do the work required to present these stories, but I really appreciate them not being too long. I've skipped some of the longer content. 20-25 minutes is perfect in my view. 'Thanks again!
Thank you, you do great work. A suggestion for clarity: when you describe events, for instance "at 12:54, X occured, then, at 13:05, Y happened", it would make it easier to follow and to understand how long something took, if you inserted a "11 minutes later, at 13:05".
@@waterlinestoriesi enjoy your videos and I'd have to agree with him. I listen to TH-cam most of the time while doing other things and i hear/use so many numbers throughout my day that numbers(times or dates) mentioned during videos are intentionally forgotten. Often i have to scroll back or check the transcript so i know how long something was or how far apart. Saying how long it happened for it how long later would really be appreciated.
Super Video again, never thought a ship can list like this. Thank you😘 Now winter in Germany is about to come, can’t wait for more super intressing Videos👍
I'm surprised that there was no indicator light accompanied by a klaxon on the bridge and a similar one in the engine room control centre altering that any door which opened to the sea was open. As usual well told.
So...the 0.03 list to starboard that was achieved by moving the existing ballast water to starboard, is what *caused* this ship to not be able to right itself when it made that fatal turn? Hey, I'm not the sharpest tool in the box...I just kind of wish you would have dedicated more time to explain/review the mechanics/physics of how this ship ended up in this predicament. Also, even I know that leaving a watertight door *open* while the ship is sailing is just the perfect recipe for disaster. Edit: One question I have is why did the ship have a list in the 1st place in order for ballast water to be shifted starboard @ 0.03? Was it because the ship had full fuel tanks? I know nothing of shipping/sailing, really...but it seems that when the ship is loaded with the cars, that everything should be in the ship *perfect* so that the ship is perfectly balanced without having to adjust ballast. Because they had to make a kind of sharp turn, & ballast has previously been adjusted to the aforementioned value...that seems like a really small degree of list to cause what happened to this ship.
One of the reasons could be the height of the centre of gravity. The ballast to compensate the 0.42° list was at the bottom of the vessel. Anything that was causing the list must've been above or way above that level. It is a 15 deck vessel after all. This difference will affect maneuvreability. Other factors could've influenced that too. Our respectable presenter doesn't make this a comprehensive technical report but an enjoyable video that brings us an interesting story. Thank you.
Most ships would have a "load plan". The load plans purpose would be to facilitate ease of loading and unloading at docks and also to evenly distribute the weight. Vehicle weights(or whatever cargo) would likely be supplied by whoever is having the items shipped and aren't always accurate. The inaccuracy in the reported weights causes the ship to be unevenly loaded so they move ballast weight to keep it level. As for why the ship didn't right itself. It's normal for ships to lean especially while turning. My conclusion would be the ship wasn't as stable as they thought it would be. It tilted more than expected while turning. This causes the ballast water to flow to the low side of the ship which makes the tilt worse. If he mentioned how the vehicles were secured I missed it but unless they were individually strapped in place they likely would have slid to the low side of the ship as well at some point making the tilt even worse. Some ships make secure individual vehicles but I know of one ship that secured cars to a long chain that had a lot of slack that allowed the cars to move enough to, I believe, wreck that ship as well). The water breached the open door causing more water to enter the ship(flowing to the low side) making the tilt even worse until it capsized. If you like long in depth videos about marine (ships and such) disasters/wrecks i highly recommend @BrickImmortar on TH-cam. He only puts out about a video a month i think but his videos are great and go deep. I think his videos on the "ducks"(originally based on old ww2 landing ships , which were based on old military land troop carrying vehicles, if remembering correctly) were how i found his channel but since then I've watched every video he has on his channel. He also covers "the bounty 2"("remake" of the original historic ship, The Bounty) sinking. The Alaskan ranger was another that comes to mind. Weight xample is my personal pickup truck. The registration says it weighs 6,650lbs but it weighs 6,950ish when I go over scales empty(except me) and I weigh about 180 so that's 120 pounds more.
The initial heel was corrected to 0.03 degrees by the shift of ballast athwartships (sideways), but this does not mean the ship was stable, and would have failed to meet minimum stability criteria at this stage. Due the loading calculation error, the GM or metacentric height of the ship was very low (essentially the centre of gravity of the ship was too high, for that cargo load, and displacement). More ballast water in the lower ballast tanks (ie double bottom tanks) should have been added to address this stability problem. During the manoevring out of the port, when a heeling moment was applied as the ship turned to starboard, the stability of the vessel (due to low GM) was also low allowing the ship to roll to a very high heel angle. As the cargo lashing chain of the car broke loose, this would only make the heel worse.
It is not unusual to have a slight list after cargo loading, as the weights of the cargo maybe a little bit heavier on port side than starboard side, even with the following of a loading plan (based on provided cargo weight, which also have some % uncertainty)
@@jonyemm thanks for your detailed explanation. And yes...I'm a long-time fan of Brick Immortar. I get so happy when I get a notification that a video is about to drop.
thank you for doing this story. i live about 90 miles from brunswick where the golden ray capsized. idk how many people suggested you do this story but i know i did. it took a couple of years to salvage the golden ray, they did it right where it was at with the salvaging platform basically sawing the golden ray into pieces. anyway thanks again.
There is a reason when you test for your officers license you have to do manual stability calculations. Stability, in my opinion was the most difficult part of the testing process yet one of the most important.
I think engineers should have access to portable oxygen tanks and direct escape routes. The location of their workplace, along with the importance of they staying at their post during emergencies, makes their odds of survival very low.
I agree, they should either have a small tank/rebreather, or like US submarines having air stations that crew can plug a breathing mask into. I can’t think of many fates worse than being trapped in darkness as your ship sinks.
as someone who uses oxygen when needed (mostly with exertion)...I wonder if oxygen would be wise in a closed space with so much possibilities for fire. My limited training for personal use says NO. I am interested in others with more relevant experience and knowledge have to say?
As a former merchant marine licensed officer, there is something about RORO ships that have always terrified me. it’s the vertical rise off the waterline compared to a relatively shallow draft.
Incredible that such a disaster can occur in a wide river rather than open ocean in these days, thanks for letting us know anyway about these catastrophic events. 🇬🇧📚Australia.
Agree...& also, come to think of it, they're extremely lucky that it *did* happen in that river because they were able to finally get the tugboat to push them up onto a sandbar so the ship didn't become completely submerged. If this had happened in the open ocean....game OVER!
I'm not a navy man but I would guess that the same sentiments are universal whether you are a mariner or a special operations operative. The man who is obsessed with safety and operational protocols is the most hated member of a team until something goes wrong. In this case, everything went wrong.
Yet another brilliant and professional presentation. I'm convinced that you and your team are rapidly growing in to one of the (if not the) best maritime channels. I only hope that you never cover me and my yacht! Haha
I've only sailed in the Pacific or Sea of Cortez with the exclusion of cruises on Disney's Fantasy. There is nothing more terrifying than a ship that won't behave normally. I almost lost my Monterey 355 SY twice. Once in Cortez off the coast of Puerto Penasco and again off the coast of San Diego. During an emergency you discover that those who like to "talk tough" are anything but. Fear is an emotion very few know how to function under.
that day , noting of value was lost ***haven't seen if there's any casualties but apart from that everything on that ship was headed to the landfill in 5 years anywys
By fa,r you all have the best videos of ship and water related tragedies. Detailed info on all aspects. the people, vessel's involved, causes, aftermath, everyone and every that was lost. 👍
Woah, I'm really glad I discovered this channel! It gives me Mentour Pilot vibes but for shipping. Some constructive feedback - I think the background information (until the 4 min mark) was unnecessary, and some of the story elements could have been presented in a more compelling manner - eg. the doors being left open on the right side could have been emphasized as a foreshadow more strongly, and re-emphasized as the ship began listing. Subscribed & excited to see where the channel goes from here!
10:02 to the end of the video, I couldnt stop crying. Absolutely awful stuff, I could have had all of those cars. I'd be retired on a beach somewhere by now
Damn, best possible outcome considering likelihood this could have gone much worse. Prayers to the two critically injured crew members and their families. Can’t imagine what was going through the minds of the 4 engineers trapped in the belly of the beast while water filled around them and fires raged above them.
Waterline Stories are incredibly captivating, even if you’re not into boating or being on the water. They delve into those unique narratives where land, sea, and human experience intersect, often revealing hidden or forgotten aspects of history, engineering, or survival. The waterline can represent the dividing line between known and unknown, a threshold where the ordinary can become extraordinary. From shipwrecks and naval mysteries to tales of resilience and ingenuity at sea, there’s something compelling about these stories that goes beyond a love for the ocean. They tap into a broader human fascination with discovery, peril, and the triumphs and tragedies hidden beneath the waves.
Always have battery backed emergency lights. You cannot guarantee emergency generators will always work. I have been in a situation where the emergency power failed and we were thrown into pitch black with no torches available at the time. Even just a few battery lamps would have made a vast difference. At least it was in a building complex that wasnt going to roll over and drown us. It was bad enough without that.
I really appreciate that you keep on repeating such information as what the draft is. Because no matter how many of your videos I've watched I never seem to remember all specific things that has to do with Maritime stuff. Also, thanks for the never ending stream of great coverage and narration! I guess this isn't the boat (sorry if I use the wrong term) that sank just below the surface of the canal, that later was resurfaced because it made it too dangerous to be left where it was. It was some documentary I watched a few years ago I believe.
@@waterlinestories After some searching I am pretty sure it was the Roro ship called Tricolor, I especially recognize the special yellow crane. This is probably the documentary I watched: th-cam.com/video/0ENOJBLVgjw/w-d-xo.htmlsi=slH7it57_QLpyHIJ EDIT: I've gotten fascinated by these ships because of the amount of cars they can ship and I have worked with "In-Night" & "Just in Time" delivery with car parts in the west part of Sweden. One of the places we delivered those parts where those "Wallenium Wilhelmsen" Roro ships used to deliver cars, it's a small dock for just these ships called "Vallhamn".
All those Korean Cadillacs lost, Kia and Hyundai will not be able to sell Replacement Engines to the owners when their warranty expires and their Defective Engines fail out of Warranty now !
15:23 These vehicles were not lashed down. Why did you say that ? The cause of this is that the parking surfaces of the loading decks being slick and having minimal traction tape. Only the ramps going from level to level. Had the car storage decks been clad with a traction covering the cargo of cars would not have fell to one side of the ship.
How does a ship this size ride out a hurricane? I would be really interested in your excellent explanations for some "how the shipping / diving / exploration industries work" on an operational level, even without any accidents or incidents.
I really appreciate the professional presentation here. way too many maritime channels beg for money or try to sell coffee mugs and hats while standing on the bodies of dead sailors. it's disgusting.
You have the best thumbnails and video titles of all the Maritime Disaster Channels. Also your animations and graphics are top notch on this one. Keep up the good work. 👍
Was the stering machines faulty? The fact that any rudder input didn't do anything to prevent the course of the ship gives that impression, would the list alone counteract the rudder if it was working properly? I guess the investigation makes conclusions on this , sorry that ism I'm," being lazy " and not reading it, and writes a question in the coments instead .
When will vessels stop leaving dock with doors and hatches still open? This incident can be related to the loss of the Townsend Thorensen ferry in the UK in the early 80's where tight scheduling and the need to have fast turnaround had led to the practice of departure with the bow doors being open, where a rogue wave flooded the main deck shifting the vehicles and leading to a fatal capsize. Yet another example of man NOT learning from History. Glad there were no fatalities this time......
Who needs ASMR when I got WSMR lol. You should do a dead pan april fools episode next year about the story of the video game Bioshock or something (e.g. about the underwater city of Rapture and Andrew Ryan "How one man's choices doomed an entire city") You could use AI to cook some uncanny valley "archive photos" of it too! 😂
the incorrect ballast values initiated the tilting, and later the open side gate added up but did i hear right that after seeing the ship tilting much the tugboats didnt respond to the left turn twice what was direct cause the more tilting it was like chain reaction, each element itself wasnt enough to cause it but together
If one ballast miscalculation could cause a disaster like this, there's serious flaw with the operation. Why wasn't there any other person or automatic system to double check the ballast?
Strictly In the form of scrap metal together with the metal from the ship probably... Cant imagen that they picked the cars apart to any large degree ,maybe ripped out the engines and fragged them separately ( if even that) ,then fragging shredding the cars. The gases from the fire would have made the cars toxic to work manually, even if they was " kind of intact" /not burned
vessels operating in the U.S. need to be registered IN THE U.S. not some third world island country that offers minimal rules and regulations to get small fees..
i cant imagine the panic and anger that would come over me being told by the tub captain he dosnt want to help bc of legal reasons while im in a ship thats fuckin sinking n my men might be drowning jt is a saint for not immediately cursing the tug caption out over the radio like rly? i get u dont want to get in trouble but ud rather have the deaths of possibly the entire crew on ur hands bc ur scared of some legal actions
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You know it’s gunna be bad when the crew photos look like courtroom photos
Or mugshots
better than when they look like pre-disaster ones, because that means there were none after it.
😂 that’s exactly what I thought when I saw the pilot photo.
@@rizzorizzo2311 aaahahah they should stop picking dumbasses off the streets
I’m really not a boating/sailing/shipping guy, never really had an interest, honestly I don’t even really enjoy being out on the water. I am fascinated by Waterline Stories, not in a macabre sort of way but genuinely fascinated.
Hear hear! 🏴📚👍
It’s interesting to understand the world around us. 👍🏻
Even these “modern days “ it’s clear our shipping is wild, what an insightful and fascinating channel, many thanks. 👍📚🇬🇧
If I can't swim back to shore I'm too far out.
With few exceptions, if I can't relatively safely land on the surface on my feet im to high
Yet, I watch a bunch of marine and aviation content. Actually, maybe that's why I think the way I do.
The detailed analysis in these videos is excellent and makes them easy to understand and very watchable.
What an amazing rescue, maximum respect to the rescuers. Shout out also to JT who kept calm and gave all details. That legal nonsense about having to wait for permission to act while lives are at stake needs to be thrown out. Just ridiculous that professional RESCUERS fear legal action in situations like this! Glad all crew were saved! Excellent video and presentation as always!
We had a situation where ist responders were held because of " health and safety " bureaucrats, costing lives. it was the Arianna Grande bombing in Manchester UK.
I think you misheard. They weren't professional rescuers that had to wait for permission, they were tug boat captains in charge of tugging ships in and out of port. Not rescuers AT ALL.
i also stumped on that tugboats twice ignored the left turn, that could bring back the ship to stable position,
then speed also accelerated what caused more tilting in the wrong direction
the errors itself werent enough to cause but together lead to this mayhem
Sadly it is an issue at many ships with sailors leaving watertight doors open due to them needing to cross them regulary.
a good example on how important it is to close them is the Stena Nautica incident.
In 2004 Stena Nautica collided between Sweden and Denmark with the polish vessel Joanna a much smaller cargo ship.
Nautica beeing a fairly large ferry should be able to handle a hole made by joanna but she started to take in alot of water and the flooding spread itself quite fast.
Nautica was forced to return to port and when she did so sunk to the bottom og the port after evacuating all passngers.
She nearly rolled in port and the car decks was mostly flooded but luckily for two competition horses who was on the upperdeck their part never got flooded and the ferry never rolled.
It was damn close though.
All this happened due to some of the crew leaving a few of the watertght doors open on a regular basis.
Due to old design and poor layout they needed to cross them multiple times every crossing which is around 3 hours and 30 minutes.
Stenas ferries are generally considered probably the best in the world in their class and the crews are seen as highly competent.
And i know for a fact that Stena Line is extreamly focused to both crew and passenger safety.
but this just shows that even the better companies when it comes to ship safety have problems with regular crews who has been trained to know the importance of watertight doors still have these issues.
now you mention the 2 show horses i remember this incident, think she was in collision in fog off the port of varberg sweden
I know nothing but I guess they ought to have alarms to the bridge that the watertight doors are still open?
aren't there ways to make spring loaded doors hold open by electricity that auto close when something is wrong?
This happened in my hometown. We stared at this ship off our beach’s for the longest time. We were all so happy for no casualties and completely surprised it could even happen. I mean growing up Sidney Lanier bridge was a draw bridge and we have been watching those boats come in and out our entire lives. The bridge collapsed in the 70s and was rebuild (that’s a terrible story and many deaths). It was rebuild in the 90s and no more drawbridge
that decision to beach the ship bought some time though. imagine most would have died if that ship went all the way under. that was a good call. its crazy to me that anyone would think its totally find to not have any checksum for those kind of calc tho
I know “JT” personally. He’s a great dude and he is personally responsible with saving many of the people on that ship due to his quick thinking and leadership. That dude is a hero, full stop.
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@@waterlinestories I love your content, bro! Keep the videos coming, my friend!
@kristindanielcarrington3318 thanks I appreciate that
But it was his order that set off the chain of events!
Great work here on the Golden Ray. I live here, in Brunswick. We were out on the water that day when she sailed into port. We pulled over on a channel beach and sat and watched this huge car carrier. Then next morning, imagine the surprise of seeing her laid over on her port side with active-ongoing rescue ops. The rescue/s were keeping everyone on edge. It took quite a bit of time for the ship to be salvaged as well. That was an interesting enterprise itself. Out pilots here are all top notch. Our Coast Guard Station is right in a little creek next to Sidney Lanier bridge.
Anyway, Just wanted to say thanks for covering this. I've been subscribed for some time to your channel and really appreciate the content and its presentation. I know it must be a challenge to do the work required to present these stories, but I really appreciate them not being too long. I've skipped some of the longer content. 20-25 minutes is perfect in my view.
'Thanks again!
Thanks. That’s good feedback on the length of video. 👍🏻
Well done the rescuers, resourceful, determined, ingenious. Kudos. Thanks for the upload & Content.
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No joke that got exciting and it was such a great thing to hear everybody made it. That pilot did a great job given the curcumstances.
Thank you, you do great work. A suggestion for clarity: when you describe events, for instance "at 12:54, X occured, then, at 13:05, Y happened", it would make it easier to follow and to understand how long something took, if you inserted a "11 minutes later, at 13:05".
It’s a good point. I try sometimes but don’t always get it right. Thanks for the suggestion
@@waterlinestoriesi enjoy your videos and I'd have to agree with him. I listen to TH-cam most of the time while doing other things and i hear/use so many numbers throughout my day that numbers(times or dates) mentioned during videos are intentionally forgotten. Often i have to scroll back or check the transcript so i know how long something was or how far apart. Saying how long it happened for it how long later would really be appreciated.
Best synopsis I’ve seen of this wreck. Much preferred over simply rehashing the NTSB report
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Wow that ship was massive. Thanks for another great delivery, I can't wait to watch these videos as soon as you upload
them. Thank you.
Thanks I appreciate that 👍🏻
I know im not covering any new ground by saying this, but the golden ray just looks like the most unstable ship you could design
Super Video again, never thought a ship can list like this. Thank you😘 Now winter in Germany is about to come, can’t wait for more super intressing Videos👍
Danke dir. 👍🏻
Super deutsch👍 Lebst du noch in Berlin?
@rainerpitsch6347 nein. In ein kleiner Stadt in Niedersachsen. Einer Stunde südlich von Hannover.
I wish I was in Germany.
It has always crazy how life is mundane and boring and then life and death situation can happen and you dead
Life doesn't have to be mundane and boring.
There are reasons some people like to "live on the edge".
Incredible work by the rescuers and good fast thinking by both the pilot and the engineering crew to stay alive and keep the ship above water.
I'm surprised that there was no indicator light accompanied by a klaxon on the bridge and a similar one in the engine room control centre altering that any door which opened to the sea was open. As usual well told.
I’m sure there was a light, but the point of that door is to be underway with it open.
So...the 0.03 list to starboard that was achieved by moving the existing ballast water to starboard, is what *caused* this ship to not be able to right itself when it made that fatal turn? Hey, I'm not the sharpest tool in the box...I just kind of wish you would have dedicated more time to explain/review the mechanics/physics of how this ship ended up in this predicament. Also, even I know that leaving a watertight door *open* while the ship is sailing is just the perfect recipe for disaster.
Edit: One question I have is why did the ship have a list in the 1st place in order for ballast water to be shifted starboard @ 0.03? Was it because the ship had full fuel tanks? I know nothing of shipping/sailing, really...but it seems that when the ship is loaded with the cars, that everything should be in the ship *perfect* so that the ship is perfectly balanced without having to adjust ballast. Because they had to make a kind of sharp turn, & ballast has previously been adjusted to the aforementioned value...that seems like a really small degree of list to cause what happened to this ship.
One of the reasons could be the height of the centre of gravity. The ballast to compensate the 0.42° list was at the bottom of the vessel. Anything that was causing the list must've been above or way above that level. It is a 15 deck vessel after all.
This difference will affect maneuvreability.
Other factors could've influenced that too. Our respectable presenter doesn't make this a comprehensive technical report but an enjoyable video that brings us an interesting story. Thank you.
Most ships would have a "load plan". The load plans purpose would be to facilitate ease of loading and unloading at docks and also to evenly distribute the weight. Vehicle weights(or whatever cargo) would likely be supplied by whoever is having the items shipped and aren't always accurate. The inaccuracy in the reported weights causes the ship to be unevenly loaded so they move ballast weight to keep it level.
As for why the ship didn't right itself. It's normal for ships to lean especially while turning. My conclusion would be the ship wasn't as stable as they thought it would be. It tilted more than expected while turning. This causes the ballast water to flow to the low side of the ship which makes the tilt worse. If he mentioned how the vehicles were secured I missed it but unless they were individually strapped in place they likely would have slid to the low side of the ship as well at some point making the tilt even worse. Some ships make secure individual vehicles but I know of one ship that secured cars to a long chain that had a lot of slack that allowed the cars to move enough to, I believe, wreck that ship as well). The water breached the open door causing more water to enter the ship(flowing to the low side) making the tilt even worse until it capsized.
If you like long in depth videos about marine (ships and such) disasters/wrecks i highly recommend @BrickImmortar on TH-cam. He only puts out about a video a month i think but his videos are great and go deep. I think his videos on the "ducks"(originally based on old ww2 landing ships , which were based on old military land troop carrying vehicles, if remembering correctly) were how i found his channel but since then I've watched every video he has on his channel. He also covers "the bounty 2"("remake" of the original historic ship, The Bounty) sinking. The Alaskan ranger was another that comes to mind.
Weight xample is my personal pickup truck. The registration says it weighs 6,650lbs but it weighs 6,950ish when I go over scales empty(except me) and I weigh about 180 so that's 120 pounds more.
The initial heel was corrected to 0.03 degrees by the shift of ballast athwartships (sideways), but this does not mean the ship was stable, and would have failed to meet minimum stability criteria at this stage. Due the loading calculation error, the GM or metacentric height of the ship was very low (essentially the centre of gravity of the ship was too high, for that cargo load, and displacement). More ballast water in the lower ballast tanks (ie double bottom tanks) should have been added to address this stability problem.
During the manoevring out of the port, when a heeling moment was applied as the ship turned to starboard, the stability of the vessel (due to low GM) was also low allowing the ship to roll to a very high heel angle.
As the cargo lashing chain of the car broke loose, this would only make the heel worse.
It is not unusual to have a slight list after cargo loading, as the weights of the cargo maybe a little bit heavier on port side than starboard side, even with the following of a loading plan (based on provided cargo weight, which also have some % uncertainty)
@@jonyemm thanks for your detailed explanation. And yes...I'm a long-time fan of Brick Immortar. I get so happy when I get a notification that a video is about to drop.
Some of that sweet "greater operational freedom" that convenience-flags guarantee on full display here.
thank you for doing this story. i live about 90 miles from brunswick where the golden ray capsized. idk how many people suggested you do this story but i know i did. it took a couple of years to salvage the golden ray, they did it right where it was at with the salvaging platform basically sawing the golden ray into pieces. anyway thanks again.
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Salvage story coming soon to a tube near you.
@2:43 it’s never a good sign when you’re introduced in the video with a picture that was probably taken in court.
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There is a reason when you test for your officers license you have to do manual stability calculations. Stability, in my opinion was the most difficult part of the testing process yet one of the most important.
My deceased father in law was a mate on the QE and QM. He was responsible for performing that calculation daily, as well as astral navigation.
I think engineers should have access to portable oxygen tanks and direct escape routes. The location of their workplace, along with the importance of they staying at their post during emergencies, makes their odds of survival very low.
I agree, they should either have a small tank/rebreather, or like US submarines having air stations that crew can plug a breathing mask into.
I can’t think of many fates worse than being trapped in darkness as your ship sinks.
as someone who uses oxygen when needed (mostly with exertion)...I wonder if oxygen would be wise in a closed space with so much possibilities for fire. My limited training for personal use says NO. I am interested in others with more relevant experience and knowledge have to say?
SCBAs tanks won't help when you're trapped for hours... Don't work under water...
As a former merchant marine licensed officer, there is something about RORO ships that have always terrified me. it’s the vertical rise off the waterline compared to a relatively shallow draft.
Incredible that such a disaster can occur in a wide river rather than open ocean in these days, thanks for letting us know anyway about these catastrophic events. 🇬🇧📚Australia.
Agree...& also, come to think of it, they're extremely lucky that it *did* happen in that river because they were able to finally get the tugboat to push them up onto a sandbar so the ship didn't become completely submerged. If this had happened in the open ocean....game OVER!
I'm not a navy man but I would guess that the same sentiments are universal whether you are a mariner or a special operations operative.
The man who is obsessed with safety and operational protocols is the most hated member of a team until something goes wrong. In this case, everything went wrong.
Yet another brilliant and professional presentation. I'm convinced that you and your team are rapidly growing in to one of the (if not the) best maritime channels. I only hope that you never cover me and my yacht! Haha
🤣 I hope not. Fair winds
This channel is becoming the Blancolirio of the ocean (in a good way!) - you're finally getting the traction you deserve.
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Ummm isn't Hyundai a "Korean" not Japanese company?
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I've only sailed in the Pacific or Sea of Cortez with the exclusion of cruises on Disney's Fantasy. There is nothing more terrifying than a ship that won't behave normally. I almost lost my Monterey 355 SY twice. Once in Cortez off the coast of Puerto Penasco and again off the coast of San Diego. During an emergency you discover that those who like to "talk tough" are anything but. Fear is an emotion very few know how to function under.
Quite incredible there was no loss of life. Probably the only bit of luck there was having the sandbar to stop it going completely under
Nice video boet! I subscribed and I'm stoked to see your channel skyrocket.
Thanks mate. I really appreciate that.
that day , noting of value was lost ***haven't seen if there's any casualties but apart from that everything on that ship was headed to the landfill in 5 years anywys
Those car carriers steam past me regularly in the waters of the Puget Sound. Always wondered about their stability
By fa,r you all have the best videos of ship and water related tragedies. Detailed info on all aspects. the people, vessel's involved, causes, aftermath, everyone and every that was lost. 👍
😀 thanks for that
Always a pleasure to watch a new viewing on your channel ...many thanks
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The Pilot knew his shit.
waterline stories then plainly difficult just uploads - my saturday is turning into a disaster!
Best of luck escaping that 🤣
Heroic deeds by all rescue team!What a feat!
Woah, I'm really glad I discovered this channel! It gives me Mentour Pilot vibes but for shipping. Some constructive feedback - I think the background information (until the 4 min mark) was unnecessary, and some of the story elements could have been presented in a more compelling manner - eg. the doors being left open on the right side could have been emphasized as a foreshadow more strongly, and re-emphasized as the ship began listing. Subscribed & excited to see where the channel goes from here!
RORO: roll on roll over.
10:02 to the end of the video, I couldnt stop crying. Absolutely awful stuff, I could have had all of those cars. I'd be retired on a beach somewhere by now
Great retelling; thanks. I'd like to hear the monetary settlements/damages and how the insurance companies settled it all.
Damn, best possible outcome considering likelihood this could have gone much worse. Prayers to the two critically injured crew members and their families. Can’t imagine what was going through the minds of the 4 engineers trapped in the belly of the beast while water filled around them and fires raged above them.
As many systems as possible should have a fail-safe default system.
Thanks for another detailed presentation.
Another excellent documentary, thank you for producing this content!
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Great video - a lot of very brave people - the pilot was amazing!
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Waterline Stories are incredibly captivating, even if you’re not into boating or being on the water. They delve into those unique narratives where land, sea, and human experience intersect, often revealing hidden or forgotten aspects of history, engineering, or survival. The waterline can represent the dividing line between known and unknown, a threshold where the ordinary can become extraordinary. From shipwrecks and naval mysteries to tales of resilience and ingenuity at sea, there’s something compelling about these stories that goes beyond a love for the ocean. They tap into a broader human fascination with discovery, peril, and the triumphs and tragedies hidden beneath the waves.
Always have battery backed emergency lights. You cannot guarantee emergency generators will always work.
I have been in a situation where the emergency power failed and we were thrown into pitch black with no torches available at the time. Even just a few battery lamps would have made a vast difference.
At least it was in a building complex that wasnt going to roll over and drown us. It was bad enough without that.
Fantastic title (assuming it’s still the one about not collecting tariffs on the sunk cars)
Gotta tap into popular themes 🤣
I really appreciate that you keep on repeating such information as what the draft is. Because no matter how many of your videos I've watched I never seem to remember all specific things that has to do with Maritime stuff. Also, thanks for the never ending stream of great coverage and narration!
I guess this isn't the boat (sorry if I use the wrong term) that sank just below the surface of the canal, that later was resurfaced because it made it too dangerous to be left where it was. It was some documentary I watched a few years ago I believe.
Thanks. Good to know what works.
I’m not sure which shop you’re referring to. If you think of it, please do let me know.
@@waterlinestories After some searching I am pretty sure it was the Roro ship called Tricolor, I especially recognize the special yellow crane. This is probably the documentary I watched: th-cam.com/video/0ENOJBLVgjw/w-d-xo.htmlsi=slH7it57_QLpyHIJ
EDIT: I've gotten fascinated by these ships because of the amount of cars they can ship and I have worked with "In-Night" & "Just in Time" delivery with car parts in the west part of Sweden. One of the places we delivered those parts where those "Wallenium Wilhelmsen" Roro ships used to deliver cars, it's a small dock for just these ships called "Vallhamn".
@sykoteddy ah yes. I’ve got this on the list to evaluate for us to do. Thanks for this
@@waterlinestories Awesome! Please do, your take on it would be fantastic.
Excellent factual reporting. No over the top hype
Fantistic coverage of this incident. Great Saturday morning! Thank you
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All those Korean Cadillacs lost, Kia and Hyundai will not be able to sell Replacement Engines to the owners when their warranty expires and their Defective Engines fail out of Warranty now !
@@robertsipe9748 My 1990 Corolla looks and drives like new going on 35 years now !
GREAT channel. I'm critical but you do an outstanding job!👌
Thanks, I’ll take that then. 😀👍🏻
Your videos are amazing!
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Agreed, we hear little if anything about these awful incidents on our news.👍📚🏴🇺🇸🇬🇧☘️😊
Best vid essay on a shipping accident no polemic just the facts
“9-1-1… What’s your emergency?”
“Yeah… my 50,000 ship just capsized in the ocean!!!”
“Uhhh…. Hold please”
Huge fan of this disaster since it happened right in my backyard and was really fun to watch them clean it up for over a year :)
"Huge fan of this disaster" lol. Someone should be keeping an eye on you.
@@jonyemm yup- that comment screams "is a list for them folks"...
Really well illustrated and narrated.
15:23 These vehicles were not lashed down. Why did you say that ?
The cause of this is that the parking surfaces of the loading decks being slick and having minimal traction tape. Only the ramps going from level to level. Had the car storage decks been clad with a traction covering the cargo of cars would not have fell to one side of the ship.
love your story telling style
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How does a ship this size ride out a hurricane? I would be really interested in your excellent explanations for some "how the shipping / diving / exploration industries work" on an operational level, even without any accidents or incidents.
Absolutely savage video title... Love it!
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I really appreciate the professional presentation here. way too many maritime channels beg for money or try to sell coffee mugs and hats while standing on the bodies of dead sailors. it's disgusting.
You have the best thumbnails and video titles of all the Maritime Disaster Channels.
Also your animations and graphics are top notch on this one.
Keep up the good work. 👍
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Great video, thank you.
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Excellent emergency response. Except for the ass-covering tug drivers. Respect.
This may be the only thing I'm qualified to comment on in this video, but as a steak aficionado I stand by Taylor thermometers.
142,000,000 sounds low. 142 mil is the cargo loss. The protection and indemnity exposure was estimated at $842min 2021. I suspect it'll be higher.
Ouch. I wonder if one single insurance company that had to pony up for the claims.
23 crew for a 15 deck, 7200 capacity car carrier is insane
When you talk about "engineers" are we talking about people who run the engines, or people who do a lot of math?
Man that tug at 5:15 was like 6 inches from sinking lol
The cheeky name of this video is just 😂😂😂
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Why didn't the ship respond to port rudder commands after the initial turn? Was the rudder out of the water by then?
Id think it was already leaning to hard by then with to much momentum. . Any response was likely minimal/not realize/insignificant.
You are absolutely incredible
Was the stering machines faulty? The fact that any rudder input didn't do anything to prevent the course of the ship gives that impression, would the list alone counteract the rudder if it was working properly? I guess the investigation makes conclusions on this , sorry that ism I'm," being lazy " and not reading it, and writes a question in the coments instead .
And thus, thousands of potential Kia and Hyundai owners were saved from aggravating reliability issues.
When will vessels stop leaving dock with doors and hatches still open? This incident can be related to the loss of the Townsend Thorensen ferry in the UK in the early 80's where tight scheduling and the need to have fast turnaround had led to the practice of departure with the bow doors being open, where a rogue wave flooded the main deck shifting the vehicles and leading to a fatal capsize. Yet another example of man NOT learning from History. Glad there were no fatalities this time......
Leased to Hyundai? Didnt they carry Korean, not japanese cars?
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Industrial control systems hack for sure!
8:13 This where the ballast tank management mentioned earlier comes into play me thinks.
..my guess it that the Capt. choose the fuel efficient option with ballast management.
Messed around and found out.
Right, give me the drawings of this car carrier, I bet I can design something with two hulls that does'nt fall over!
Who needs ASMR when I got WSMR lol. You should do a dead pan april fools episode next year about the story of the video game Bioshock or something (e.g. about the underwater city of Rapture and Andrew Ryan "How one man's choices doomed an entire city") You could use AI to cook some uncanny valley "archive photos" of it too! 😂
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the incorrect ballast values initiated the tilting, and later the open side gate added up
but did i hear right that after seeing the ship tilting much the tugboats didnt respond to the left turn twice
what was direct cause the more tilting
it was like chain reaction, each element itself wasnt enough to cause it but together
Crazy that insurance had to pay out close to a billion for this
The person that left the door open later found work at Boeing.
Those cars have a minimum value of scrap ... in my area small cars start at $200 each last I looked.
If one ballast miscalculation could cause a disaster like this, there's serious flaw with the operation. Why wasn't there any other person or automatic system to double check the ballast?
please dont click bait titles just say it is Golden Ray accident.
I wonder what this would have looked like if it had been a cargo load of EVs? You know its going to happen eventually.
Didnt know the limitations of his vessel. He sunk'r ... the end.
Just 1 huge preventable mess! All those responsible need 2 be jailed & lose their licenses!
I wonder how many parts from those salvaged cars are circulating in the supply chain ?
Strictly In the form of scrap metal together with the metal from the ship probably...
Cant imagen that they picked the cars apart to any large degree ,maybe ripped out the engines and fragged them separately ( if even that) ,then fragging shredding the cars.
The gases from the fire would have made the cars toxic to work manually, even if they was " kind of intact" /not burned
vessels operating in the U.S. need to be registered IN THE U.S. not some third world island country that offers minimal rules and regulations to get small fees..
How can a door be left open when a ship is moving??? Surely it should have some kind of alarm.
What was the date of the incident?
i cant imagine the panic and anger that would come over me being told by the tub captain he dosnt want to help bc of legal reasons while im in a ship thats fuckin sinking n my men might be drowning jt is a saint for not immediately cursing the tug caption out over the radio like rly? i get u dont want to get in trouble but ud rather have the deaths of possibly the entire crew on ur hands bc ur scared of some legal actions