I wish ancestry would add an automatic notification, hint or something if you add someone to your tree that has a similar name and vital data, instead of manually checking to see if you already have the person. It would make things a lot easier and convenient.
Right, I hate that it limits the matching and their suggestions to only within that immediate family group. Like.. I know that’s her cousin! Stop playin, I’m tired of having all these duplicates.
I have mentioned to them years ago that they need the following two things. 1. A good phone connection which they never have.. 2. Screen sharing so they can see your screen and talk to you on the phone while doing so. But this will take up their time and they would much rather just send you links and have you figure it out yourself.
OMG, Cousins marrying cousins; a common occurrence (some of my relatives, too, Crista, are from the deep rural south.) ! I originally suspected that my 4th great aunt, whose maiden name was the same as her husband's surname, was a mistake. This same pattern happened, few times with other ancestors in my tree. I then realized my ancestors were marrying their cousins, and the issue of having the same maiden name and surname, was not a mistake.
irshgrl500 just found this out for myself today lol I was like huh... why can’t I find this person’s maiden name anywhere? Must be a mistake because why would that distant cousin take on his wife’s last name that seems far too progressive for late 1800’’s Appalachian culture...am I trippin or are some of these names beginning to seem really familiar.... *gasp* nooooo lol
I experienced the same. My 5th great grandparents in early Upper Canada had the same last name. I thought it was a mistake and kept looking for her maiden name. Eventually I realized that it was her maiden name and that they were first cousins lol.
Christine - This most often happens when you attach census records and, instead of clicking the "this person is already in my tree" button, you attach the record and it creates duplicates of those children. Keep an eye on that next time you attach a census record. (Crista)
Not just cousins. Some examples I have are where a wife or husband dies. The living spouse marries the sister or brother or the dead spouse. Half Siblings also cousins. Lol
Wannaberocker same happened with my family. My Great-Great-Great Grandad married my Great-Great-Great Grandma’s sister. But she died young so then he married my Great-Great-Great Grandma. And also had other instances like this,
My parents married in 1939 despite the fact that their mothers were sisters. They always claimed that 'lots of cousins married'. My sister suffered from macular degeneration as a child and I have multiple health problems.
it is nothing to worry about. As long as it is not a first cousin you marry, the effects are little on your offspring is low, very low. Even marrying a first cousin highens the possibility of birth defects at the same rate as getting children at the age of 35 or older I read. But it is nothing really big.
@@nielsqbc4 Wrong. Nothing wrong with marrying first cousins, unless they are full cousins - the children of two sets of brothers/sisters. There is no evidence that marrying one's cousin causes birth defects. In fact, a woman who marries her cousin is less likely to suffer a miscarriage due to genetic compatibility. Furthermore, the definition of race is someone who descends from your ancestors. So to marry within your race is to marry your cousin. God is not opposed to cousin marriages, but is opposed to mixing race.
@@gaynor1721 As a genealogist you should know there is just the human race. And within the human race there is ethnicity. Therefore, I wonder how you know God is opposed to mixing races?
Yes, I found 2 brothers Anthony and John married, they had many children with their wives, the cousins married each other, also, when one brother passed, the wife would marry the other brother, also, many would marry 2 to 3 times in their life time, this was back in the 1600’s on my Grandmothers side. Great video!
I do a lot of descendancy research, too. I sometimes say that I don't have a family tree. I have a family briar patch! Just going through obits in one small area near where I live, I can count on being related to roughly about 1/3 or more of those listed.It isn't unusual for me to be related to both the husband and wife, all of their grandparents, and one or two of their kids' spouses! LOL! When entering the grandchildren of one person who passed away, I found that one set of my 4th great grandparents appeared in their tree 7 times!!! Plus, a set of my 3rd great grandparents appeared 2 times in their tree. I wonder if this is how the term, "kissing cousins" came about?
Wonderful video, Crista. My tree is a nightmare of distant cousins marrying other distant cousins. (They lived in rural Iowa and rural Ohio.) There were basically a dozen families in these areas and they intermarried in about 101 different ways. (I joke sometimes that my grandfather left rural Iowa so he could replenish the gene pool.) I might literally be my own grandpa, great uncle, and 2nd cousin twice removed. :-)
I have a couple of instances where a brother married his brother's widow and sometimes had children. Also, there is at least one instance where a man or woman is listed as a step or adoptive parent and then the "missing" parent ends up with a grown child in their elder years.
I got rid of the duplicates however I am having problems with relationships. I have one line that 3 sons are my direct ancestors however FTM is not recognizing the relationship as directs but as uncles even though I added him as a father he is called my uncle and his wife as my great grandmother. In this same line, in one case the father is called my uncle and the mother is called wife of the uncle. I know that one person is both my 5th & 6th great-grandfather.
I heard of one prominent (read rich planter) family in S. Carolina who intentionally arranged marriages of cousins so that the property would remain in the family.
I've got cousins marrying cousins as well. But can I say that I'm glad that someone else also "speaks" with their hands!! Thanks again. Love learning more about Ancestry!!
This must be awkward for couple swapping. I had a friend in kindergarten whose parents met another couple. Both couples divorced and married the other. Like to see how ancestry would approach that.
why can't there be a symbol on the people so visually I can see that john smith 2 & 8 are the same and the other 12 are different thanks god for middle names. just wish more people would use them!
Yeah could be 1400's or in my family it is 19th Century Kentucky. My uncle and my brother also married sisters. Nothing wrong with it...just crazy on the tree.
Coming from a First Nations Reserve in Canada where it's isolated. So when I did a family tree on my paternal grandmother's maternal grandmother and her three siblings. Many of the community can trice their roots back to one of the 4 siblings but also many second, third and forth cousins marrying each other 🤔 thank goodness my mom came from a different reserve when my dad met her 😂
Thanks for this video, my maternal grandfather appears 3 times in my tree and I was worried that I didn't add him correctly. I checked the index and he shows up only once.
I've gotten to great grandparents. Not sure just how far I'll be able to trace my family back, but it is fun seeing all of them on the tree. Also have cousins once removed added. Still need to ask my aunts and uncles a lot of questions to gather more info for my tree. Hopefully I can learn a lot more. My tree is already so huge and haven't even gone that far back yet at all.
I have seen half-cousins marrying, where they descend from one common ancestor from 2 different marriages. That's something you would have to watch out for as well.
Dear Crista Cowan, your video's are done well and very professional. I had a problem with this one though, the quality was 480p and so the small lettering on your charts was illegible. If you could at least make your video in 720p it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks and keep up the good work.
Thanks, Robert. This particular video was recorded back in 2013. I started using a new camera and recording system in late 2015. So, any of the newer videos are recorded in 720p. Some of the older ones are still out there with the lower quality until I can get them re-recorded. (Crista)
I would have thought that on a tree with duplicate couples, the most recent version of them (closest to the present in terms of generations and highest up on the pedigree view) would be where the tree goes further back from them. Wherever else they appear there should be a star or something * saying 'see (elsewhere)' for their ancestors.It makes sense to display that couple twice (or more?!) but there's no need to duplicate their parents and so on, just refer to (point to) where the 'main version' of them is on the tree. One of the things I wondered about with family history was how long it might take to find a duplicate couple in the tree. Just in the past week or so it happened for the first time, - potentially, if all the links are correct. One couple (of my great-x3-grandparents) who married seem to both descend from the same couple - 4 generations further back on the husband's side and 5 generations back on the wife's side. I worked out this makes them 3rd cousins once removed, so their children would be 3rd cousins twice removed of the husband and 4th cousins of the wife, including the husband's son from his previous marriage. It would also make my 1st and 2nd cousins (and maybe further cousins) also be 8th cousins once removed with me (and I'd be my own 8th-cousin-once-removed!). So the duplicate couple (if correct) would be 7th great grandparents on one branch and also 8th on another but I'd count them primarily as 7th and where they have their 'secondary appearance' as 8th great grandparents that would be the end of the branch, because everyone further back from that point is already somewhere else. If they really are the first case of a duplicate couple, I'd have only 1022 new ancestors on the 8th-great-grandparent level since these 2 are counted among the 512 7th-great-grandparents, so 2044 9th-gr-grandparents, 4088 10th-gr-gr, etc unless there are more duplicates to account for. There are another couple elswhere in my tree (5th-great-grandparents) with the same surname, but it's hard to say if they were related to each other because it's a fairly common name and I haven't been able to identify the husband's parents from a few possibilities, and think there are maybe 2 (maybe more) possible parent couples for the wife. I think it's highly likely they are related but how closely or distantly is unknown and will probably stay that way. There is some contradictory information on the husband (different ages and birthplaces in different censuses) which makes it difficult to say which birth record is his. They could be as close as 1st cousins, or as distant as 10th or more! My guess is between 1st and 4th cousins is fairly likely considering how little people moved around.
Thank You, I can't wait to get time to really sit down and watch and take notes. I have a family briar patch that is a confusing mess. One couple is my 7th great grandparents twice over and the family their children married into married into two other families repeatedly.
My dad's grandmother on his mom's side married my dad's Grandfather on his dad's side. It was both their second marriage so it wasn't inbreeding. Ancestry can't process that for some reason it shows them and my dad's parents and grandparents twice but didn't duplicate them.
Thanks Crista... I'm Cajun (France - Canada- France- Louisiana). While my father's ancestry crosses, so does my mother's AND they crossed into one another from as far back as the 1600's. For instance 2 brothers inhibited Canada in the 1600's. I'm related to one from my mom's side and the other from my father's side, making my grandma(dad's mom) and my mom related. This has happened many times over. The running joke is I have a wreath, not a tree. What really makes it difficult is the same names... The French seem to use names of the older generation in the next generation, so you may have a Jean born 1600's and 2 or 3 Jean's (cousins) born in the 1700's. :)
me and my mother are both adopted so doing the trees from birth names i was doing my mothers tree and she had a 4th grate grandmother marrying her SON!!
I have a large tree as well at times you cannot merge the duplicates especially if they are cousins. You still end up with duplicates. I have to "carefully" delete them. I do it by actually numbering them. I put a 1 in front of the first duplicate then a 2 in front of the next duplicate and so on, this way when I merge or delete I know exactly which person I'm working on and do not delete the wrong person by accident. This happens for names that have ben added when they are not related.
After my 3rd g-grandfather died, my 3rd g-grandmother married my 4th great uncle (my 3rd g-grandfathers uncle on his mothers side). It has completely messed up my relationship chart. How do I fix it?
Not quite a cousin marriage but..... my bio mom is half 2nd cousin to my bio dad. Mom's half sister is my aunt, but also my 2nd or 3rd cousin because she is related to my dad.
Thanks Crista, I have cousins marrying cousins and also I can go on the 1850's census and find just about every relative on my fathers side living in the same county during that time frame. So even the ones that were not related lived in the same area with large amounts of children who married each other. My tree also goes from Ark to Mo to Tn to NC and Ga and I am still looking for my Jones side....lol....I kinda ignore that side since it gives me a really HUGE headache !!Too Many Jones!!
I made a tree on a long row of connected pieces of old computer paper (with the holes along the edges) and had to list lots of couples twice, not because they appear twice in the tree, but because I wanted to list people with their parents and siblings as well as with their husbands, wives and children. I then took the version of them that appears with siblings and parents as the primary version with the dates on, and the other one where they appear connected to their spouse (amongst his or her family) had an arrow drawn on pointing towards where to find them, "-> See [SURNAME]" to find the person with their parents etc. (-> or
Crista, can you do a video of how to clean up a person’s record? I have the same alternate fact listed more than once in an individual tree with each alternate fact tied to different source. I have multiple sources for my primary DOB and a few sources for an alternate date.
Hi, loved the information. I am trying to figure out the best way to use family group records as far as tracking individuals and family group pages. I can't seem to find much information on this. How do you number the families and individuals; specifically on familysearch, but I am also on Ancestry? Also, I married a Jones and would love to know if you have John B. Jones born 1812 of Wales, Married Gwilynn "Gwen" Rhys born 9, Jan. 1810 Wales, died 19 Sept, 1865 Ohio, had son Edward Morrison Jones born 27, Oct. 1840 Ohio, died 26 April 1912 he married Nancy Ann Kyle of Downs Kansas 25 Nov. 1863. My tree is a bit of a mess. I am not even sure where to start on the clean up process but I was thinking the family group sheets might help.
So you can merge a person across family lines and it not mess up the lineage or your tree. For example, I have a set of grandparents who are related to me 3 different ways. On my Moms side they are my grandparents 2 times and on my Dads side they are my grandparents one time! I can merge those 3 individuals into one person and it will not mess up my tree! Each time they will keep their place in my tree as it is now with them listed 3 different times?
MY grandfather and his brother (my great uncle) married two (2) sister's my grandmother and my great aunt. in my family tree it shows duplicate people. how do i merge them correctly?
This is the first time I've watched one of these and it was very helpful! I have a lot of duplicates. However I think there is some glitch which has in many places resulted in my having up to 10 duplicates of each child of a couple! How does this happen and how can I fix it? There is no way I could have added them that I can think of. I have subscribed to this channel now and will watch more videos for sure :-)
Jon, I did a family tree for a coworker(No Relation!). But then, found our lines crossed in the early 1700's! Since then, I've found two more crossings of descendants from that original crossing. Charlemagne is 900 years earlier; he must have many tens of thousands of descendants by now. So, not only can it be true, but it's not even all that surprising.
I need some help to understand this in my family. My great grand parents were first cousins. Their fathers were brothers. What are they to me? Please help, this confuses me so much.
If you are from the U.S. with your family being here at least 3 hundred years, you could still marry a cousin. Some of your cousins could have already mixed in other countries and races.
Appreciate the info, but now I realize how little I really know about creating my family tree. I just have one and it’s grown in so many directions, it’s overwhelming! I think it would make so much more sense if I had one tree for each family line, is that what I should be doing? (Such a beginner!) thanks!
When a couple marries who are second cousins, what is their child to them? A son or daughter and also, technically, a second cousin once or twice removed? And if the second cousins marry, their grandson is also a cousin, a third cousin?
It has happened several places in my own family tree. The program accepts it just fine. You add the person as the child of their parents. Then, you add the other person as the child of their parents. Then, you marry them to one another. Viola!
I had to go through and confirm some things 3times as one woman kept popping up in my tree. Shes my 5th great grandmother on one side my 6th great grandmother on the other , 6th great aunt on and on. That’s pretty “on brand” for Kentucky I’m thinking. Then I got to the Norwegian side..... it’s worse. smdh geeZ could ya move a county over and get some fresh input gran?
I know this video is pretty old, but I was wondering if you could answer a question. My 2nd great-grandparents were 3rd cousins AS WELL AS 1st cousins, once removed. How do I deal with that???
+Emma Ruiz Just make sure you don't enter any of their grandparents, great-grandparents, etc. more than once. Enter them only once and just be sure to connect the relationships accurately. (Crista)
because the parents are in there twice (in your example I think it was Dan and Harriet) how would you relate them to you? example, as your grate grandparents or grate grate grandparents?
There's no way to remember EVERYONE in your tree from memory. It sure would be nice to have, not only "Potential Spouse/Child" flag... but also a "This person may already be in your tree" flag.
@Phillip, There is no right answer to this question but simply based on your research preferences. Crista Cowan shares a great video on the pros and cons of splitting vs. combining trees, enjoy! th-cam.com/video/KrdQXvtP0yE/w-d-xo.html
In my family tree I have a case of two brothers marrying two sisters, and don't know how to show that, where to put them. I have another case of a man marrying one sister and when she died he married her younger sister, so do I put him in my tree twice, as the spouse of each sister?
Only enter any person into your family tree once. Then, when you go to add a relationship instead of adding a new person, select a person already in the tree. Does that make sense? We've got lots of this in my family and well it our "family wreath." (~Crista)
I'm wanting to know how to fix double ups on my Ancestry online tree where the double ups happened because cousins married cousins, not because they were entered twice. How do you find which people are the ones causing the trouble. I've just noticed that I have multiples of people on one line of my family and I have 84 people with that surname, many of whom married multiple times. Did I miss something in the video?
There are two possible scenarios here, Michelle. And, I am unclear from your post which you are experiencing. 1. You have duplicated people in your tree - meaning a single person is entered multiple times. The easiest way to solve this is to use the MERGE DUPLICATES feature and get those duplicates removed. Then, make sure they are connected to all of their relevant relationships. 2. You have people displaying multiple times in the family tree even though they are only exist once in your tree. This happens when you have intermarriage within a family. In order to graphically display the relationships correctly, people will sometimes show up multiple times on the screen connected to their various relatives in the tree. Hope that makes sense. If not, ask again and I'll take another try at it. (~Crista)
@@AncestryUS Hi Crista, thank you for your reply. The problem I am experiencing with my tree falls into the 2nd category of your reply as when I try to merge any of these people there is no one to merge them with which naturally means that they only exist once but are appearing twice & I am aware of instances of inter-relationships, the problem is that I can't remember who those people were and am hoping there is a way of finding which people in my tree are the ones causing my tree to appear as though there are double ups so that I can unlink them from their parents.
@@Myshell63 There is no need to unlink people. If they are related multiple ways within the family, you want to maintain those relationships. You just need to understand that they will appear multiple times in the Family and Pedigree Views of your tree. If you think some of those connections may be in error, go into the profile page of one of the people in your tree that is appearing multiple times, then click on EDIT | Edit Relationship. Check to see that they are connected to the correct people in the correct way. Then, do the same thing for their parents and grandparents. If there are errors, they will show on that Edit Relationship screen. Hope that helps. (~Crista)
@@AncestryUS I just want to make sure I understand correctly.... You're saying there's no way to "fix" the tree to eliminate the duplicate appearance? I downloaded a graphic that says "i love my cousin" in red and made that the profile picture of the married cousins. lol
have you heard of brother and sisters marrying? In my family back in 14's & 13"s I have brother and sister marrying and their children brother and sister married... Does this happen often back then?????
It tended to happen when aristocracy becomes defensive of their holdings: land, wealth and so on. They want to keep it in the family as it was inherited. The Hapsburgs of Austria, Spain and the Netherlands are notorious for that, though more minor lines did it too.
I wish ancestry would add an automatic notification, hint or something if you add someone to your tree that has a similar name and vital data, instead of manually checking to see if you already have the person. It would make things a lot easier and convenient.
Dylan Somogyi , best idea ever !!!
Right, I hate that it limits the matching and their suggestions to only within that immediate family group. Like.. I know that’s her cousin! Stop playin, I’m tired of having all these duplicates.
You got that right. I have been after them for more things than I can remember.
I have mentioned to them years ago that they need the following two things. 1. A good phone connection which they never have.. 2. Screen sharing so they can see your screen and talk to you on the phone while doing so. But this will take up their time and they would much rather just send you links and have you figure it out yourself.
OMG, Cousins marrying cousins; a common occurrence (some of my relatives, too, Crista, are from the deep rural south.) ! I originally suspected that my 4th great aunt, whose maiden name was the same as her husband's surname, was a mistake. This same pattern happened, few times with other ancestors in my tree. I then realized my ancestors were marrying their cousins, and the issue of having the same maiden name and surname, was not a mistake.
irshgrl500 just found this out for myself today lol I was like huh... why can’t I find this person’s maiden name anywhere? Must be a mistake because why would that distant cousin take on his wife’s last name that seems far too progressive for late 1800’’s Appalachian culture...am I trippin or are some of these names beginning to seem really familiar.... *gasp* nooooo lol
I experienced the same. My 5th great grandparents in early Upper Canada had the same last name. I thought it was a mistake and kept looking for her maiden name. Eventually I realized that it was her maiden name and that they were first cousins lol.
This is really helpful. I'm running into a lot of this around 1500-1600 in Norway. Small village, not a lot of people.
Christine - This most often happens when you attach census records and, instead of clicking the "this person is already in my tree" button, you attach the record and it creates duplicates of those children. Keep an eye on that next time you attach a census record. (Crista)
Not just cousins. Some examples I have are where a wife or husband dies. The living spouse marries the sister or brother or the dead spouse. Half Siblings also cousins. Lol
That's incest. Marrying one's cousin is not.
But it occurs for sure. I have located one ancestor who married one sister, she passed away and then his next wife was his wife's younger sister.
Wannaberocker same happened with my family. My Great-Great-Great Grandad married my Great-Great-Great Grandma’s sister. But she died young so then he married my Great-Great-Great Grandma. And also had other instances like this,
My parents married in 1939 despite the fact that their mothers were sisters. They always claimed that 'lots of cousins married'. My sister suffered from macular degeneration as a child and I have multiple health problems.
You did a great job telling of a complicated subject matter and made it easy to follow along.
Great video.
Greetings from Atlantic City New Jersey USA
Have a single (bloodline) tree. Received myDNA results and I have a 7 person match. We share 3 sets of grandparents. Thank you Arkansas 😂
it is nothing to worry about. As long as it is not a first cousin you marry, the effects are little on your offspring is low, very low. Even marrying a first cousin highens the possibility of birth defects at the same rate as getting children at the age of 35 or older I read. But it is nothing really big.
@@nielsqbc4 Wrong. Nothing wrong with marrying first cousins, unless they are full cousins - the children of two sets of brothers/sisters.
There is no evidence that marrying one's cousin causes birth defects. In fact, a woman who marries her cousin is less likely to suffer a miscarriage due to genetic compatibility.
Furthermore, the definition of race is someone who descends from your ancestors. So to marry within your race is to marry your cousin.
God is not opposed to cousin marriages, but is opposed to mixing race.
Ughh hahhahaa
@@gaynor1721 As a genealogist you should know there is just the human race. And within the human race there is ethnicity. Therefore, I wonder how you know God is opposed to mixing races?
@@gaynor1721 Why do you have to bring the Bible into this? Your God knew nothing about our races today.
Yes, I found 2 brothers Anthony and John married, they had many children with their wives, the cousins married each other, also, when one brother passed, the wife would marry the other brother, also, many would marry 2 to 3 times in their life time, this was back in the 1600’s on my Grandmothers side. Great video!
I do a lot of descendancy research, too. I sometimes say that I don't have a family tree. I have a family briar patch! Just going through obits in one small area near where I live, I can count on being related to roughly about 1/3 or more of those listed.It isn't unusual for me to be related to both the husband and wife, all of their grandparents, and one or two of their kids' spouses! LOL! When entering the grandchildren of one person who passed away, I found that one set of my 4th great grandparents appeared in their tree 7 times!!! Plus, a set of my 3rd great grandparents appeared 2 times in their tree. I wonder if this is how the term, "kissing cousins" came about?
Wonderful video, Crista. My tree is a nightmare of distant cousins marrying other distant cousins. (They lived in rural Iowa and rural Ohio.) There were basically a dozen families in these areas and they intermarried in about 101 different ways. (I joke sometimes that my grandfather left rural Iowa so he could replenish the gene pool.) I might literally be my own grandpa, great uncle, and 2nd cousin twice removed. :-)
All of rural America is like that explains a lot really.
😂 Mine tree is the same! I think I’m my own 8th cousin. I blame her when something goes wrong.
I have a couple of instances where a brother married his brother's widow and sometimes had children. Also, there is at least one instance where a man or woman is listed as a step or adoptive parent and then the "missing" parent ends up with a grown child in their elder years.
In one instance, I found that my 5th great grandfather married his son’s mother-in-law for his third wife.
My grand mother is also my aunt! My mother is my first cousin.
I got rid of the duplicates however I am having problems with relationships. I have one line that 3 sons are my direct ancestors however FTM is not recognizing the relationship as directs but as uncles even though I added him as a father he is called my uncle and his wife as my great grandmother. In this same line, in one case the father is called my uncle and the mother is called wife of the uncle. I know that one person is both my 5th & 6th great-grandfather.
I heard of one prominent (read rich planter) family in S. Carolina who intentionally arranged marriages of cousins so that the property would remain in the family.
Thanks, Crista!! You've given us more helpful information!! I looked forward to these training videos you do!
I've got cousins marrying cousins as well. But can I say that I'm glad that someone else also "speaks" with their hands!! Thanks again. Love learning more about Ancestry!!
This must be awkward for couple swapping. I had a friend in kindergarten whose parents met another couple. Both couples divorced and married the other. Like to see how ancestry would approach that.
Thank you for having these communications/advise/hints.. I am so thankful for these....
My family tree on my mothers side, from Missouri doesn't fork nearly as much as it should... Que Deliverance music.
why can't there be a symbol on the people so visually I can see that john smith 2 & 8 are the same and the other 12 are different thanks god for middle names. just wish more people would use them!
Tammatha - I only have one family tree. I always recommend that others do the same - for many reasons. (Crista)
Yeah could be 1400's or in my family it is 19th Century Kentucky. My uncle and my brother also married sisters. Nothing wrong with it...just crazy on the tree.
Coming from a First Nations Reserve in Canada where it's isolated. So when I did a family tree on my paternal grandmother's maternal grandmother and her three siblings. Many of the community can trice their roots back to one of the 4 siblings but also many second, third and forth cousins marrying each other 🤔 thank goodness my mom came from a different reserve when my dad met her 😂
Thanks for this video, my maternal grandfather appears 3 times in my tree and I was worried that I didn't add him correctly. I checked the index and he shows up only once.
I've gotten to great grandparents. Not sure just how far I'll be able to trace my family back, but it is fun seeing all of them on the tree. Also have cousins once removed added. Still need to ask my aunts and uncles a lot of questions to gather more info for my tree. Hopefully I can learn a lot more. My tree is already so huge and haven't even gone that far back yet at all.
I have seen half-cousins marrying, where they descend from one common ancestor from 2 different marriages. That's something you would have to watch out for as well.
ancestry needs duplicate checking when adding new people
Dear Crista Cowan, your video's are done well and very professional. I had a problem with this one though, the quality was 480p and so the small lettering on your charts was illegible. If you could at least make your video in 720p it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks and keep up the good work.
Thanks, Robert. This particular video was recorded back in 2013. I started using a new camera and recording system in late 2015. So, any of the newer videos are recorded in 720p. Some of the older ones are still out there with the lower quality until I can get them re-recorded. (Crista)
THANK YOU FOR MAKING THESE VIDEOS THEY ARE CONFUSING YET A BIT INFORMATIVE
This is driving me crazy! I have a duplicate family however they are not duplicated in the side panel but on the my descendant report.
I would have thought that on a tree with duplicate couples, the most recent version of them (closest to the present in terms of generations and highest up on the pedigree view) would be where the tree goes further back from them.
Wherever else they appear there should be a star or something * saying 'see (elsewhere)' for their ancestors.It makes sense to display that couple twice (or more?!) but there's no need to duplicate their parents and so on, just refer to (point to) where the 'main version' of them is on the tree.
One of the things I wondered about with family history was how long it might take to find a duplicate couple in the tree. Just in the past week or so it happened for the first time, - potentially, if all the links are correct. One couple (of my great-x3-grandparents) who married seem to both descend from the same couple - 4 generations further back on the husband's side and 5 generations back on the wife's side. I worked out this makes them 3rd cousins once removed, so their children would be 3rd cousins twice removed of the husband and 4th cousins of the wife, including the husband's son from his previous marriage.
It would also make my 1st and 2nd cousins (and maybe further cousins) also be 8th cousins once removed with me (and I'd be my own 8th-cousin-once-removed!).
So the duplicate couple (if correct) would be 7th great grandparents on one branch and also 8th on another but I'd count them primarily as 7th and where they have their 'secondary appearance' as 8th great grandparents that would be the end of the branch, because everyone further back from that point is already somewhere else. If they really are the first case of a duplicate couple, I'd have only 1022 new ancestors on the 8th-great-grandparent level since these 2 are counted among the 512 7th-great-grandparents, so 2044 9th-gr-grandparents, 4088 10th-gr-gr, etc unless there are more duplicates to account for.
There are another couple elswhere in my tree (5th-great-grandparents) with the same surname, but it's hard to say if they were related to each other because it's a fairly common name and I haven't been able to identify the husband's parents from a few possibilities, and think there are maybe 2 (maybe more) possible parent couples for the wife. I think it's highly likely they are related but how closely or distantly is unknown and will probably stay that way. There is some contradictory information on the husband (different ages and birthplaces in different censuses) which makes it difficult to say which birth record is his. They could be as close as 1st cousins, or as distant as 10th or more! My guess is between 1st and 4th cousins is fairly likely considering how little people moved around.
Thank You, I can't wait to get time to really sit down and watch and take notes. I have a family briar patch that is a confusing mess. One couple is my 7th great grandparents twice over and the family their children married into married into two other families repeatedly.
What if your related to a Royal in my case several, over 5 to 6 times?
I’d feel honoured!
My dad's grandmother on his mom's side married my dad's Grandfather on his dad's side. It was both their second marriage so it wasn't inbreeding. Ancestry can't process that for some reason it shows them and my dad's parents and grandparents twice but didn't duplicate them.
I recently discovered my grandfather had two children with his 2nd cousin, but they were never married. This was as recently as the early 1930s
Thanks Crista... I'm Cajun (France - Canada- France- Louisiana). While my father's ancestry crosses, so does my mother's AND they crossed into one another from as far back as the 1600's. For instance 2 brothers inhibited Canada in the 1600's. I'm related to one from my mom's side and the other from my father's side, making my grandma(dad's mom) and my mom related. This has happened many times over. The running joke is I have a wreath, not a tree. What really makes it difficult is the same names... The French seem to use names of the older generation in the next generation, so you may have a Jean born 1600's and 2 or 3 Jean's (cousins) born in the 1700's. :)
me and my mother are both adopted so doing the trees from birth names i was doing my mothers tree and she had a 4th grate grandmother marrying her SON!!
wait what
I think you may have got mixed up there somewhere.
Nooooo 🥵🥵🥵 How on earth would you marrie your son? 😱And isnt that against the law??
I have a niece that married her Uncle three generations ago!
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I have a large tree as well at times you cannot merge the duplicates especially if they are cousins. You still end up with duplicates. I have to "carefully" delete them. I do it by actually numbering them. I put a 1 in front of the first duplicate then a 2 in front of the next duplicate and so on, this way when I merge or delete I know exactly which person I'm working on and do not delete the wrong person by accident. This happens for names that have ben added when they are not related.
Also, two double 1st cousin had a baby so; its a major collapse when I put them on my family tree with child.
Wouldn't a double 1st cousin be almost as relative as siblings since they share 4 grandparents.
After my 3rd g-grandfather died, my 3rd g-grandmother married my 4th great uncle (my 3rd g-grandfathers uncle on his mothers side). It has completely messed up my relationship chart. How do I fix it?
@Darkness Falls- Go do something and mind your own bidnezz.
Yes! This happened with me my paternal great grandpa Elvin married his first cousin Gladys. There mothers were sisters
Not quite a cousin marriage but..... my bio mom is half 2nd cousin to my bio dad. Mom's half sister is my aunt, but also my 2nd or 3rd cousin because she is related to my dad.
Can someone help me find my ancestor? She doesn't appear anywhere.
My family on both sides foes back to approximately goes back to 500AD
Thanks Crista, I have cousins marrying cousins and also I can go on the 1850's census and find just about every relative on my fathers side living in the same county during that time frame. So even the ones that were not related lived in the same area with large amounts of children who married each other. My tree also goes from Ark to Mo to Tn to NC and Ga and I am still looking for my Jones side....lol....I kinda ignore that side since it gives me a really HUGE headache !!Too Many Jones!!
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I made a tree on a long row of connected pieces of old computer paper (with the holes along the edges) and had to list lots of couples twice, not because they appear twice in the tree, but because I wanted to list people with their parents and siblings as well as with their husbands, wives and children. I then took the version of them that appears with siblings and parents as the primary version with the dates on, and the other one where they appear connected to their spouse (amongst his or her family) had an arrow drawn on pointing towards where to find them, "-> See [SURNAME]" to find the person with their parents etc. (-> or
Crista, can you do a video of how to clean up a person’s record? I have the same alternate fact listed more than once in an individual tree with each alternate fact tied to different source. I have multiple sources for my primary DOB and a few sources for an alternate date.
Hi, loved the information. I am trying to figure out the best way to use family group records as far as tracking individuals and family group pages. I can't seem to find much information on this. How do you number the families and individuals; specifically on familysearch, but I am also on Ancestry?
Also, I married a Jones and would love to know if you have John B. Jones born 1812 of Wales, Married Gwilynn "Gwen" Rhys born 9, Jan. 1810 Wales, died 19 Sept, 1865 Ohio, had son Edward Morrison Jones born 27, Oct. 1840 Ohio, died 26 April 1912 he married Nancy Ann Kyle of Downs Kansas 25 Nov. 1863.
My tree is a bit of a mess. I am not even sure where to start on the clean up process but I was thinking the family group sheets might help.
So you can merge a person across family lines and it not mess up the lineage or your tree. For example, I have a set of grandparents who are related to me 3 different ways. On my Moms side they are my grandparents 2 times and on my Dads side they are my grandparents one time! I can merge those 3 individuals into one person and it will not mess up my tree! Each time they will keep their place in my tree as it is now with them listed 3 different times?
MY grandfather and his brother (my great uncle) married two (2) sister's my grandmother and my great aunt. in my family tree it shows duplicate people. how do i merge them correctly?
I get way too many distant cousins I’ve trashed lots of them especially ones with no trees.
This is the first time I've watched one of these and it was very helpful! I have a lot of duplicates. However I think there is some glitch which has in many places resulted in my having up to 10 duplicates of each child of a couple! How does this happen and how can I fix it? There is no way I could have added them that I can think of. I have subscribed to this channel now and will watch more videos for sure :-)
Jon, I did a family tree for a coworker(No Relation!). But then, found our lines crossed in the early 1700's! Since then, I've found two more crossings of descendants from that original crossing. Charlemagne is 900 years earlier; he must have many tens of thousands of descendants by now. So, not only can it be true, but it's not even all that surprising.
Er, Charlemagne probably has millions. It is probably rare to find anyone in America who is not descended from him.
I need some help to understand this in my family. My great grand parents were first cousins. Their fathers were brothers. What are they to me?
Please help, this confuses me so much.
They are still your great-grandparents. But, they are also your first cousins 3x removed.
How do you work out DNA when 1st Cousins Marry
I'll just marry someone from a totally different race. Problem solved.
If you are from the U.S. with your family being here at least 3 hundred years, you could still marry a cousin. Some of your cousins could have already mixed in other countries and races.
This what I'm doing
@@concernedcitizen6898 who said the person that they are dating is American
Appreciate the info, but now I realize how little I really know about creating my family tree. I just have one and it’s grown in so many directions, it’s overwhelming!
I think it would make so much more sense if I had one tree for each family line, is that what I should be doing? (Such a beginner!) thanks!
I have a lot of distant cousins marrying each other in the 1800s. I've never encountered first cousins but a lot of same surnames.
When a couple marries who are second cousins, what is their child to them? A son or daughter and also, technically, a second cousin once or twice removed? And if the second cousins marry, their grandson is also a cousin, a third cousin?
You got it.
Do you do both parents on the same tree? To me that makes since but i have been told to do two trees. However I find duplicates that way
This is a problem centuries ago in England. 1st cousins married 1st cousins. The program won't accept it.
It has happened several places in my own family tree. The program accepts it just fine. You add the person as the child of their parents. Then, you add the other person as the child of their parents. Then, you marry them to one another. Viola!
I did my family tree and I'm still trying to figure out how close of a cousin I am to myself. 😂 I have a 5th ggf twice!
What is my first cousin‘s child to me and what would that child be to my daughter?
I had to go through and confirm some things 3times as one woman kept popping up in my tree. Shes my 5th great grandmother on one side my 6th great grandmother on the other , 6th great aunt on and on. That’s pretty “on brand” for Kentucky I’m thinking. Then I got to the Norwegian side..... it’s worse. smdh geeZ could ya move a county over and get some fresh input gran?
Luv the earrings, look great on you, thx for ur help.
I know this video is pretty old, but I was wondering if you could answer a question. My 2nd great-grandparents were 3rd cousins AS WELL AS 1st cousins, once removed. How do I deal with that???
+Emma Ruiz Just make sure you don't enter any of their grandparents, great-grandparents, etc. more than once. Enter them only once and just be sure to connect the relationships accurately. (Crista)
because the parents are in there twice (in your example I think it was Dan and Harriet) how would you relate them to you? example, as your grate grandparents or grate grate grandparents?
They are related to me both ways. But, I usually refer to them by the closest relationship. (Crista)
There's no way to remember EVERYONE in your tree from memory. It sure would be nice to have, not only "Potential Spouse/Child" flag... but also a "This person may already be in your tree" flag.
I have multiple family trees because of different families. Should I combine them into one tree or just have them separate?
@Phillip, There is no right answer to this question but simply based on your research preferences. Crista Cowan shares a great video on the pros and cons of splitting vs. combining trees, enjoy! th-cam.com/video/KrdQXvtP0yE/w-d-xo.html
I do the same way in my family tree to.
We found out my brother married a cuisine 5% shared DNA. They had 2 girls
My grandparents were cousins.... Ooof
Thanku so much i now will merge
That's fantastic, Kate! Thanks for sharing! What has been your favorite discovery through your research?
In my family tree I have a case of two brothers marrying two sisters, and don't know how to show that, where to put them. I have another case of a man marrying one sister and when she died he married her younger sister, so do I put him in my tree twice, as the spouse of each sister?
Only enter any person into your family tree once. Then, when you go to add a relationship instead of adding a new person, select a person already in the tree. Does that make sense? We've got lots of this in my family and well it our "family wreath." (~Crista)
Thanks, I hadn't seen that before, it was easy to select a person already in the tree.
This actually happened in my family
I'm wanting to know how to fix double ups on my Ancestry online tree where the double ups happened because cousins married cousins, not because they were entered twice. How do you find which people are the ones causing the trouble. I've just noticed that I have multiples of people on one line of my family and I have 84 people with that surname, many of whom married multiple times. Did I miss something in the video?
There are two possible scenarios here, Michelle. And, I am unclear from your post which you are experiencing.
1. You have duplicated people in your tree - meaning a single person is entered multiple times. The easiest way to solve this is to use the MERGE DUPLICATES feature and get those duplicates removed. Then, make sure they are connected to all of their relevant relationships.
2. You have people displaying multiple times in the family tree even though they are only exist once in your tree. This happens when you have intermarriage within a family. In order to graphically display the relationships correctly, people will sometimes show up multiple times on the screen connected to their various relatives in the tree.
Hope that makes sense. If not, ask again and I'll take another try at it.
(~Crista)
@@AncestryUS Hi Crista, thank you for your reply. The problem I am experiencing with my tree falls into the 2nd category of your reply as when I try to merge any of these people there is no one to merge them with which naturally means that they only exist once but are appearing twice & I am aware of instances of inter-relationships, the problem is that I can't remember who those people were and am hoping there is a way of finding which people in my tree are the ones causing my tree to appear as though there are double ups so that I can unlink them from their parents.
@@Myshell63 There is no need to unlink people. If they are related multiple ways within the family, you want to maintain those relationships. You just need to understand that they will appear multiple times in the Family and Pedigree Views of your tree. If you think some of those connections may be in error, go into the profile page of one of the people in your tree that is appearing multiple times, then click on EDIT | Edit Relationship. Check to see that they are connected to the correct people in the correct way. Then, do the same thing for their parents and grandparents. If there are errors, they will show on that Edit Relationship screen. Hope that helps. (~Crista)
@@AncestryUS Thank you very much Christa. As usual I was over thinking the situation. Thank you kindly.
@@AncestryUS I just want to make sure I understand correctly.... You're saying there's no way to "fix" the tree to eliminate the duplicate appearance? I downloaded a graphic that says "i love my cousin" in red and made that the profile picture of the married cousins. lol
How many people do you have in your family tree
I find them often
have you heard of brother and sisters marrying? In my family back in 14's & 13"s I have brother and sister marrying and their children brother and sister married... Does this happen often back then?????
It tended to happen when aristocracy becomes defensive of their holdings: land, wealth and so on. They want to keep it in the family as it was inherited. The Hapsburgs of Austria, Spain and the Netherlands are notorious for that, though more minor lines did it too.
It happened in Hawaii back in the old days.
In breeding