🎹NEW Casio Digital Pianos Preview: Upcoming Casio PX-S1100 & PX-S3100 What's Improved? 🎹
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Here’s a preview video of the upcoming PXS1100 model series, due to hit in late 2021 / early 2022 around the world. In the video, Stu talks about the differences that Casio is hyping, breaks down what they are, and discusses what type of playing differences future owners might experience between it and the current PXS1000.
Speaker Upgrade
There are two upgrades to the speaker system: one to the speaker material, and one to the speaker enclosure and magnet design. WIth the speaker cones, they’ve upgraded the material to include Mica, a hardening agent which makes the trebles ‘crispier’ and better defined, particularly at higher dynamic levels. With the enclosures, they’ve increased the allowed travel distance that the cone can oscillate, which has deepened the bass tone. They’ve stuck with the 8w x 8w configuration for amps, and we don’t have any further info that they’ve adjusted them in any other way.
Tone Engine Upgrade
This is still the AIR engine, but they’re using language in their promo material that suggests a sample set upgrade...either an increase in sample layers and/or a completely different (and possibly new) piano sampling. It’s also possible that they’ve taken sample sets from their GP series, which sampled Hamburg Steinway D, C. Bechstein D282, and Bosendorfer Imperial….arguably the top 3 9’ pianos in the world.
Same Action, Tones, General UI
Everyone generally loved the new button-free touch UI on the PXS series, and they’re maintaining that this time around. Also, besides the core acoustic piano tone, we don’t believe any other tones or instruments have been added.
Bluetooth Connectivity - Audio & MIDI
New for the PXS1100 will be an included Bluetooth adaptor that, when plugged into the back USB port, enables Bluetooth MIDI (bi-directional) and Audio (inbound). This is a nice upgrade that eliminates the need for the specialized USB cable.
It’s our general impression that to a new player - a major target audience for this machine - would likely not notice an impact on the playing experience between the PXS1000 and 1100...however for musicians using this as a low-cost “gigging” unit, or families where this is a secondary piano for cottage or practice, more developed ears will likely appreciate the speaker improvements and the sample set.
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I’ve had a 3000 since April, 2020. LOVE IT LOVE IT LOVE IT. No probs with action. Been a player for 30 years.
Hi there! Do you use the rhythms at all? And do you use the Chordana Play for Piano app to make it easier to control? The menu on the 3000 seems like it is a bit of work . .
@@islandtony5009 Yes, but mostly use drums and stuff from Band in a Box 2020. I’m able to lay the entire song out ahead of time quite easily. The menus become simple once you use them enough. I’ve actually got my eye on a Yamaha Reface CP. The 64 million Dollar question is can I use the Casio 3000 as a master controller for the sound on the CP? I’m gonna call Sweetwater for that answer, unless someone on this thread has it:)
@@islandtony5009 Oh and haven’t used Chordana yet, go figure:)
@@PianoMan-hx3ev I just bought BIAB 2021 - was using iReal pro for backing tracks (which is OK and the price is right) but man BIAB is pretty impressive (realstyles/tracks in particular). The chordana play (make sure you download the one for piano, not just the basic one) has a nice graphical UI to control settings, rhythms etc
@@islandtony5009 Yea BIAB 2020’s incredible. I bought the entire enchilada just so I’d have it. It doesn’t disappoint:)
I’ve just ordered the PXS3100 can’t wait to play it. Love your down to earth reviews and it’s a complete joy hearing you play. I need to practice more.
Thank you, Stu. A great wrap up for a discussion which has been around too long. Imho, some things are not quantifiable. You like some actions more, some less, or not at all. Not all of us are Lang Langs or Rubinsteins and if some of us enjoy these actions and pianos to make music, by all means please keep on doing so.
The technical reason Casio made the black keys lighter is obvious: the PXS-series is such a slim keyboard with short keysticks that the black keys were extremely difficult to play when you approached the back of the key, so they lightened them in an attempt to alleviate that issue. Now, why they didn't lighten the white keys to match is a bit of a puzzle, unless they just found that people didn't like the white keys being that light for whatever reason during product testing.
Whether it's actually an issue is entirely a subjective decision. James Shawcross (ThePianoForever) is an excellent pianist, and he noticed quite quickly. Stu here is also an excellent pianist, and didn't notice at all. So skill certainly isn't the determining factor whether you even notice.
Point being, like any instrument, try it for yourself and make your own decision. It's good to take other's viewpoints into consideration, but ultimately it's your fingers that are going to be playing the instrument, not theirs.
I wouldn't put James in the same league with Stu, but James's playing has improved considerably since he started his studies at the University. James has a limited repertoire of prepared pieces while Stu has a very large repertoire and plays off the top of his head quite easily. Not only that, but Stu's harmonic concept is quite sophisticated. I think James made the point that the slim Casio does not exactly replicate the weight and feel of a very expensive concert grand, while Stu has demonstrated that for most purposes these slim Casio models are quite playable and can sound very good when under the control of a good player. If you want something light, portable, and affordable, the Casios are great. If you want traditional acoustic perfection with a wooden action that can swell and warp, be willing to pay for and pamper a Steinway B, Yamaha C7X or Kawai Shigeru SK7 and a humidity controlled environment free of termites..
@@JoeLinux2000 that or get a digital piano with evenly weighted keys🎹🎶
Stu is not a classical pianist like James is
Notice most of the stuff Stu plays is variations of generic pop songs
@@luckyluciano8628 Stu plays mostly improv and popular music now, yes. But look at Merriam's older videos. Stu played classical pieces. He's a classically trained pianist.
@@Kyuuketsuki02 his ability has declined, the pop chords will suit his audiance just fine though, leave the classical pieces to Maestro James and his lovely control of dynamics
Great video Stu (as usual) and great fresh take on "the key weight thing" made great sense - looking forward to reviews on the new models
Bought an 1100 - super happy so far! Didn't notice a weight difference while playing, absolutely LOVE the action
Everyone needs to chill about the action.
I bought the 3000 because it's easy to take to gigs. Any gigging musician understands that this an absolutely incredible keyboard.
It fits sideways across the back car seats, extremely light and is the best sound on the market for portable keyboards that are 88 keys.
The only negative that NO ONE talks about is the touch screen. The touch screen is great and really sensitive and responsive...so much so that if you go to turn your sheet music page, you're likely to bump the "start drum beat".
Have watched several of your videos - thoughtful insight, check - subscribed!
Great video Stu! i have been a roland player for years and recently purchased to PX S1100 for gigs. I have no problem with the lighter black keys. My only concern was that the keys have a much shorter travel distance toward the back of the key(due to the short pivot point). That said it really hasn't effected my playing. Thanks again for your GREAT videos!.
Thanks so much for the kind words and for taking the time to check out the video! I am very happy to hear that the PXS1100 has been serving you well on gigs. It is a wonderful, extremely portable piano. Happy playing! :)
Always enjoy the videos and insight, Stu! I'd comment on the Casio but I need to shake the dust off my FP30X and baby grand and start playing again before I can say anything.
Seems like summer makes it really hard to practice ( at least for me). Cheers!
Love your controlled and considered response to the info from "ThePianoforever"... Thanks for some normalcy!!!!
Stu, with your education background and playing ability, I would absolutely trust your word over just about anyone else I can think of who reviews pianos / keyboards. Thank you so much for your experienced insights! By the way, I purchased the Ravenscroft 275 software after watching your review and I was not disappointed! Thank you!
good review thanks!
Nice job👍🎹
excellent reasonable contextual review
Excellent review about the keyboard craziness!
It all depends on the location where one measures the weigh. And for that matter, it should be exactly where the average strike occurs which is roughly the middle of the key, not the end. This is the spot where the weights should almost be the same.
I own a PS X 3000 and that’s what I ended up with using rudimentary measuring tools.
Thanks for your extremely appreciated videos!
I'm glad you did this experiment. I had the exact same thought. I just ordered an 1100 and I'm excited to play it when it arrives!
Thank You for Your Review
Calm and reasonable discussions is not click bait. Still, I enjoyed this vid. Liked and still thinking about subscribing.
Stu, Great review as usual. The big problem most of these digital pianos are out of stock.
Thanks for the additional information about the action! I tried a friends px-350 (px-3000 predecessor) and found it superior to my yamaha p-80 (I know dated so maybe not a fair comparison). I didn't expect the px-350 to feel or sound like a real piano, but it was enjoyable to play, light to carry, and had built in speakers. I expect these newer casio keyboards to be at least as good or better. Plus they can be battery powered, so for something cheap to jam outside during a pandemic, this sounds like just the ticket!
I would be open to hearing of any other digital piano under $1,000 that checks these boxes:
1. 88 key hammer action
2. Built-in Speakers
3. Battery powered
4. Under 25 lbs.
4. Anything else is a plus but not essential (midi, tonewheel, aftertouch, sounds, etc.)
Jeff, you make some good points. I still have a P80 somewhere, but I thought the action was good, at least until some keys stuck. I'm really surprised and impressed if the 350 action outplays the P80 GHE action. I rate the GHE action way above some others in use today. I guess the trend has been for lighter plastic actions. Even Kawai has gone that route on the new ES models.
This is the first time I have heard the PX-S called a "beginner" piano. It certainly does a great job for gigs and it has the capacity to handle powered speakers well. I bought it for jazz gigs, and it must be one of the lightest and slimmest digital pianos around.
Hi there! Do you have the 1000 or the 3000?
@@islandtony5009 I have the 1000. Since I play mostly jazz, I do not really need a lot of sounds besides the basics.
@@gracenotes818 Cool; I'm mostly blues, classic rock and starting to try boogie woogie (tiring, but I think the action on the PXS will be better for that kind of stuff than my P-125) - so I don't need alot of sounds either. I kind of wish it had a pad sound but I guess strings do the trick well enough - how is the bass voice is it usable live for bass/piano splits?
@@islandtony5009 I have the 1000. Hope you find a place to try it out.
@@gracenotes818 It's good to see your comment on your positive experience with your Casio. I'm a jazz pianist too. I wouldn't say that we jazzers never need more sophisticated functions. 4-zone control on a stage piano has its merits for some of us, as do registrations and so on, but yes, portability can be a top priority.
Anyway, gigs are one thing, and the obsession with turning digital pianos into facsimiles of acoustic practice instruments is another. God save us from "real piano" absolutists! What works, works. Enjoy your gigs!
I might trigger a few people but this is my take on the action.
I haven't used a piano yet, but thinking about it from a physics perspective, I think what Casio did was actually pretty smart.
No matter how hard you try, you can't replicate the exact action of a Grand Piano without actually moving the pivot back to where it really is on a Grand.
Every digital piano has only one position on the key that can replicate the exact same feeling (if at all) as that of a grand. Which is probably at the keys end.
So what Casio has done (I'm assuming), is taking the average position of where the finger gets placed on the keys and tried to master that specific place for the action.
Do you get what I'm saying?
Or at least something similar to what I'm saying.
A great explanation. How ironic it is that it takes an "alien" to explain to us that we are going wrong with our excessive comparisons between digital pianos and acoustic pianos. You've got my thumbs up Alien.
@@Zoco101 ayyy thanks that makes me glad :')
Interesting
Fantastic explanation, Alien. This really gave me the idea behind the tech.
I hope the new models have parallel key technology and a variance of note pitches across the instrument.
lol... indeed I believe they do. ;) -stu
Thanks for this honest and useful review! I honestly don't understand the black key controversy. I bet that for most pianists complaining about this on the net, if they hadn't been told that the black keys were slightly lighter, most wouldn't have noticed.
Yes you are right . In fact the issue is for advanced classical pianists as you find some advanced scores where you need play relatively close to the pivot of the keys . You rarely find this issue in jazz or modern arrangements. But again this not an issue as such given the fact that these advanced players are not going to buy this stuff anyway as they will buy acoustic or avant grand , mp11 or vpc1 if they opt for a digital piano because of long keys .
As a beginner, I started to piano with my daughter a year ago. I bought a Casio px s1000, what I do like is the sound quality seems quite good, a bit mellow sound. The glassy small design is quite beautiful. And it is not expensive for what I have. I don't care or might be acceptable is the lightweight action, maybe since I am beginner, I feel less tiring when practicing, and the feedback and response of the action is very precise even it's a bit lighter than my acoustic piano. And it's not expensive for what I have. What I don't like is one key E2 is louder when I press with same weight, I think it might be a specific problem of my piano, because I don't have problems with other keys. The speakers a not very loud, 2 X 8w, which might be improved as well, but for indoor practice it's ok. You said it might be improved in 1100 by speakers, but I don't have it to try.
I am also curious to test some other products in the same range such as yahama p125 or kawai es110 to compare.
I think your problem with the E2 key is specific to your piano. I do not have this issue. You can also adjust the action on this piano as well. I kind of keep it in the middle. Yes, do try similar pianos. I also own the ES110 and like it a lot. It feels a little more 'solid' to me in the action, but a little bulkier to take to a gig.
I love casio instruments and their key action is absolutely fine imho.
Have been checking reviews before getting my first DP. Enjoy my pxs1100 , as a small Asian female, it’s about the maximum weight I can carry. Plus that fp30 is in back order in my area and will only be sold as a set with board frame. Also enjoy the versatile connectivity with cables and audio headphones.
I’ve had Yamaha, Roland and Korg, been playing on a Casio PX-560 , best action and grand piano sound out there,I’ve looked at others before purchasing, found that the 560 is super easy to operate quickly while playing, for as speakers, I don’t use internal speakers often at all, I normally play through sound system, Been doing contemporary worship for 25 years or so, Constantly broke keys on my Roland, the 560 has been holding up just fine👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
I am very glad to hear that you've found a reliable digital piano that checks off all the boxes for you! The Casio PX560 is an amazing machine with a wonderful touch and sound. I also second the notion in terms of the reliability of Casio products. While many consumers had questions about their early electronic instruments, the company has done amazing things in terms of quality control in recent years and they now have one of the most reliable digital piano lines on the market. :)
@@MerriamPianos I appreciate your honesty, So many out there are attacking this company, like I said I’ve been traveling playing and singing for the most of my life, I’ve tested many keyboards of ALL brands, lol honestly I play very hard, I have big hands, I am so impressed of the Casio line, I gutted an old grand piano and restored it (Beautiful) I am planning on purchasing a PX-3000 or 3100 for it, I want to keep my 560 for traveling and leave the other inside my grand piano shell, love to share a picture with y’all 👍🏻😊 and also thank you for your reviews , the guy is very mature in presenting 👍🏻😊
When reviewing the new models, it would be great to know the action vs 88 key weighted midi controllers, like the keylab mkii 88.
I say this because these seem quite slim in height and could make for very good controllers, at a similar price point.
Thank you !
You're very welcome! :)
I purchased the PX S1100 2 weeks ago. The standard grand piano sound is good as factory set. The surround sound option is horrible and not usefull, there is a harsh bright sound added to it and the volume is not as present when the surround function is On. The sound is good and volume needs to be at the very max to even out a real piano, it could've been louder. The piano feel is great and the piano sound is great also. But not enough attention was put into the E. pianos. The electric piano sound seem to have very few velocity levels. You only get that e.piano spank when you hit it really hard, and there is no in betweens beside volume. A classic Rhodes spanked note sound is essential. i wish they would've put as much attention to it as they did for grand piano sound maybe. Another issue is that you got to connect everytime to the chordana app everytime you use the keyboard. When you finally adjusted a decent sound, everything gets lost. You got to reconnect again through the app settings everytime and re-open the effect settings, re-adjust the keyboard sensativity and everything else. And when you Power off, everything gets lost. There is no preset saved at all. When i feel like playing i want to press power On and go. I don't want to open a device, open a software and go through the connection settings and then set parameters everytime i just wanna play. Other than that, it's a good digital piano if a piano experience is what you're looking for. For the price i can't complain, the money goes toward the piano sound and feel rather than an internal rhythm machine and other features. Who cares about a built-in rhythm machine nowadays anyways, you just chose your favorite drum app or personal loops on your smartphone or tablet and with the bluetooth function, the beats come out of the keyboards' speakers anyways. I'm happy with the PX S1100 and it's probably the best piano experience you can buy for the price, but must consider the additional investment for the CS68 stand which is almost a necessity for this compact keyboard that does'nt fit well on a X stand and also the casio SP20 sustain pedal is worth buying to replace the lite plastic one that is included.
Thanks for all the reviews you do.... I like them the best. I like long reviews, with extended playing.
I'm going to buy it. Seems that ThePianoforever was overreacting
When will the PX-S3100 be available in Canada? What's the hold-up?
I compared Casio's S1000 against Yanaha's P125 and found the S1000 to be much better.
Same
@@abcdefg1626 Most Yamaha is junk, trust me I owned almost all of the best. Always heard a ringing noise in the keys with headphones on and even with great speakers.
@@Johnherlihy1 which korg ? D1 B2 ?
@@abcdefg1626 I own a Nautius but piano is similar in many Korg models including Grandstage, Kronos 2, and other high end Korgs
@@Johnherlihy1 So would you rather use the p125 than the px s1000?
Hi Stu, greetings from Italy, when do you plan to do this new comparison/review?
Dear Stu, congratulations for your excellent reviews. Do you think the piano patch sounds the same on both models or the 3100 would be richer or fuller? Thank you
Hi! Brent from Merriam Music here! Thanks for tuning in! From my perspective, the main default piano patch sounds virtually the same between both models, which makes sense given that the tone engine and speaker systems are identical.
Thank you very much, Brent
I got this 3 days ago. The piano sounds are the best I have heard! Better than the px s3000, as I own both. I have owned several top brand digital pianos, KORG, ROLLAND, KAWAI es 920, YAMAHA MODX and GENOS and this sounds better than them all! I love the sound and the keys feel better than any keyboard or digital piano I have played! A+++++
I am looking to buy, but debating between 1100 or 3100... I want to play but also use for production sometime. I already have a Komplete Kontrol S49, and think the 1100 would be sufficient, but I fear of missing out the pitchbend on 1100. Do you have a recommendation?
@@jadenphan8106 The 3100 for sure. You gonna need that mod wheel!
@@davidedmunds piano sounds better and more options with this
I agree
Respect. Lots of common sense in this video.
Thank you kindly! We're glad you enjoyed it!
When Casio will put px3100 available in USA? Anyone know. Why Stu have it first?
Hey nice hair Stu!
Thanks for your stellar review and your comments at the end. The controversy you referred to was totally b.s.!! On previous other of his reviews of $100,000+ grand pianos, he used weights to measure black and white key resistances, as well as measured key lengths. This was interesting Information since most of us had no idea what those were and that piano tuners regularly used them as part of their tuning. I guess he thought it was also useful to apply the same to some under $1000 digital keyboards, and when he found differences on the lowly Casio, he went ballistic and made it a cause celebre! It was manufactured rage from the outset - the only surprise is that other people on his channel took it seriously, and thought it was indicative of some nefarious intent by Casio. I certainly didn't, and I let him know by my comments on his channel that it was a classic 'distinction without a difference', to gin up more 'likes' for his channel. I also let him know that I have had a PV-350 for at least 5 or 6 years, which I bought after hearing the great Jazz/Funk pianist, Joe Sample, demonstrating it at a NAMM show in Los Angeles. I'm sure Joe never did this measurement, and I certainly have not either!! Why should I? - I like the touch/feel/sound of the keyboard, that's all that's important! Generally he tries to do a good job with his reviews, but this one revealed his youth and eagerness to be more relevant in this review genre, than he currently is. Your reviews are among the best, hands down, and he's got a long ways to go to catch you!!
Thank you so much for taking the time to check out our video and for following our channel! We also sincerely appreciate your incredibly kind words regarding the calibre of our reviews. At the end of the day, there will always be a lot of different opinions, thoughts, and feelings within the piano community (but it is one of the things that keeps things interesting and keeps the conversations going). :)
Casio probably: It produces 88 unique notes with a groundbreaking two-tone black and white color key combination
I like casio but there are better choises in that price class for an example: Kawai es110, Yamaha p125 or roland fp30x. It is just weird that they chose to make the black keys lighter than the white keys because no piano or digital piano has that and it's just makes the piano weird to play. I ve tried the px1000 and it is not terrible but it for sure need som improvment to compare to Kawai or Yamaha.
This is my opinion of the Casio.
Very well said. Personally, I do not like Yamaha actions, they are way too havy for me, especially Arius YDP series which has the worst action I have ever played. Roland actions are ok, I like Kawai as well, but my favourite is Casio action. The closest to my old upright piano. But, as I said, for me. We are all different, there are planty digital pianos to choose from today where we all can find the best for our needs, matches to our preferences. I saw that video discussing the weight of the black keys and found ridiculous. I personally owned a PXS1000 last year and loved it, especially the action with that nice textures. So, we are all different. We are all players, and the main point is the joy of making music.
I must say very well said to you as well! It really does come down to preference and subjectivity. Everyone will gravitate towards different combinations of touch and tone. With that said, I agree with your sentiments about the Casio actions. While not as heavy as other actions, they are incredibly responsive. The portability factor of the PXS series instruments is really attractive to gigging players as well. :)
First, I agree with everything that Stu has said in his discreet appraisal of the debacle over Casio's action. Stu, in contrast to certain others, is a very professional reviewer.
Irrespective of what positive or negative merit one awards the black key innovation by Casio, there are things that a product reviewer simply doesn't do unless it's to save consumers from an impending calamity. A product reviewer never slams a product with language like "flawed action" unless a recall is in order. Throwing down the gauntlet to Casio (as was done by this other reviewer) over an issue which is highly subjective, is the most reckless act of product review I have ever seen.
I used to do assorted reviews myself, starting in a famous publishing house. While there I attended a special seminar on why you don't pick stupid fights like that.
The reviewer, who remains nameless here, has repeatedly displayed an elitist attitude which relegates digital pianos to the sad stature of substitute practice instruments that can only be elevated by a closer immitation of all the strengths (and weaknesses) of "real" pianos. This completely rules out independent innovation in a separate category of pianos and explains why the reviewer failed to understand innovation when he met it.
I agree, I think this other "reviewer" is simply trying to seperate himself from the reviewer pack with his manic piling of fine gram weights on keys of delightfully featured and smaller pianos which are certainly not intended to be Steinway replacements. I've stopped watching his videos.
This other "reviewer" had high praise for the Casio at first. He deleted that video after he did a physical weight test. He also deletes comments on his videos if you do not agree with him.
@@alimazing no suprise, as he really comes across like a bit of a narcissist...
@@henrythaler4419 I don't watch his vids now either. He's a snob imo. The pxs is a elegant and wonderful instrument.
Why nobody talks about black keys noise? Some of them are too noisy like rattle. My piano 3100 has a "rattle effect" in black keys of fourth octave, and this "rattle" is louder than sound of keys (on 50% volume).
I just can't make up my mind I first thought I'm going to go with casio px-s3000 then I thought korg xe20 I was kinda baseing of of guitar patches and quality of those sounds as this is something I've been looking for in a digital piano but I don't know if I should wait to see about pxs 3100. My thing was the korg xe20 steel string guitar tone I heard sounded like the real deal. But there are a lack of video examples on TH-cam for the casio side. My down side to the korg is it doesn't have the record direct to flash drive and a few other specs that the casio has like a dedicated app to make it easier to go through tones.
I feel drawn to Digital Pianos with an authentic guitar sample and recently checked out the Yamaha PS500, which has some incredible super articulated sounds for guitars. Shame Yamaha put their basic action on the keyboard, but it seems very good with regards to speakers and other features etc.
Here's a video of it. th-cam.com/video/sAEE80AjvLs/w-d-xo.html
@@Tube2097 I had already decided on the Korg Xe20. I had looked at the yamaha PS 500 it's a little out of my price range anyway
They are excellent keyboards, but for $200 less, the S1000 and 3000 are still excellent value if you can get them. There's hardly any change in the touch or sound.
You are most likely a fair bit better of a player than the person who caused the key weight scandal!
To fair, I think Casio caused the scandal in the manner in which they responded to James. They could have just acknowledged that there is a difference, and explained the reason for it. They sort of forced James to open up the keyboard and examine the weights on the keys which I believe he found to be different, which is not at all surprising. The lever of the black keys is obviously shorter. Stu has pointed out that that the teeter totter of acoustic grands is much longer than almost any electronic keyboard.
@@JoeLinux2000 James is an insufferable brat.He isn't near as good as he thinks he is.He'll end up a bitter old man playing RAP CLASSICS in a future piano bar on an out of tune spinnet.
@@charlescrockett6208 Very harsh. James isn't perfect, by any means, but you seem to really have it in for him. Why is that?
@@JoeLinux2000 Yeah. I personally would avoid this piano because of the action.
i want one for🙂 christmas
sound quality is better than the previous model？
Yes
I do agree that James went a bit more aggressive about this topic than he should have, but he does have a point. I don't think his biggest problem is that the black keys are lighter than the white keys, rather that it's the only digital piano at that price point with that problem. Obviously one can't expect a perfect action at that price, but if there is not a single action from other brands, no matter what price point, with this problem at all, it is slightly concerning.
It is also the one thing making me hesitate in buying this piano. I really want to buy it, I love the design, the sounds and how slim it is, I really want to justify buying it and I probably would have done so already if it wasn't for James review. Despite the dozens of positive reviews of this piano, the fact that no one else has even mentioned it seems like a massive oversight and makes it hard to trust other reviewers. I mean the difference doesn't seem to be that small either, about 10g which is like 20% (for comparison, 10g difference in keyboard switches (like the ones you type on) is massive and dynamics don't even matter with that one). I just feel like I would feel way more comfortable buying this piano if everyone was mentioning this problem in their reviews and saying that it doesn't affect one too much than only one guy mentioning it, saying its a problem and every other reviewer only taking their stance on it after the fact. It just indicates that he seems to be the only reviewer actually taking a thorough look at the product, I mean thats what I expect from a reviewer after all: A review of the product and not just a description of it features. Im curious of it's attributes outside of whats written in the specsheet and tackling keyweight on a digital piano seems more than reasonable.
Hi there! Brent from Merriam Music here! Firstly, thank you so much for taking the time to check out our videos and channel - we sincerely appreciate it!
Secondly, one question that I feel compelled to ask is: have you had a chance to test out the Casio PXS1100 / PXS3100 yourself? While we can all get caught up in specs and numbers, the process of playing a piano (both acoustic or digital) is a highly personal and emotional experience. From that perspective, the most important consideration in settling on the right instrument is finding one that YOU connect with. We take great pride in educating our community members on all things piano and really do take our mission of trying to simplify the daunting piano shopping experience as much as possible for piano shoppers very seriously. However, at the end of the day, we (along with other reviewers on the web) are not the ones that will be playing the piano that you purchase everyday.
The final point I would make is that most piano models, particularly the highly-successful ones such as the PXS series from Casio, have their niche and intended customer. One of the remarkable things about Casio's PXS series is its portability and streamlined design. The number of features as well as the action that is packed into such a small enclosure is nothing short of impressive. While a larger stage piano such as the Kawai MP11SE or Roland RD2000 may have a superior playing experience to more advanced and discerning pianists, the intended customer of a PXS1100 or PXS3100 is not the same as that for a Kawai MP11SE or Roland RD2000.
Thanks again for taking the time to check out our channel and for writing! We sincerely appreciate it and feel very grateful to have so many amazing, thoughtful and engaged community members! I know many of our community members greatly appreciate the collective insights and conversations that happen here in the comments section of our videos. All the best and happy playing! :)
I think when the Roland FP-X models took piano tech to a new level the other manufacturers were caught by surprise. Yamaha, Kawai etc. are still pushing their older models and some only connect with iphones etc. . Audio and Midi combined plus blue tooth are what people desire now. At least Casio realized this and tried not to milk the older tech another 3 years or so.
Wait. Weight? No way. T. I've watched the original 'controversy' video about the Casio key weights, and many of that guy's other videos. He gives good information, though I think he sometimes takes his expertise a cut above his education, and would do well to wait until he has M.A or Ph.D. in some related field (like physics, electronics, mechanical engineering, piano design) behind his name before he claims as much expertise as he usually claims about the inner workings and overall sound quality of various electronic and acoustic pianos. Sometimes I think he forgets many people buy these devices at the under-$1,000 price point more or less as toys rather than as tools of their trade as musicians. People can fall in love with a particular electronic sound device because of the way it projects various unique electronic and sampled sounds rather than the way it sounds like certain famous acoustic pianos.
It is easy to take an action apart and see the lengths of stroke, lever action, and then measure gram weights, but there is more to the perceived 'goodness' of an action than the actual measurements. That's because the human brain is in the mix, too, plus price point, appearance, tone quality, speakers, ease of use, number and usefullness of additional features, all that along with the actual weights, frictions, lever arms, etc of the keys. It's no different from having a pleasant date with someone - you consider the entire package (if you are mature, at least) rather than decide the person is a loser because you don't like the heels on their shoes.
Until some qualified group conducts blind experiments using proper methodologies to determine the interaction of the human brain in this mix there is no sense taking one person's opinion of the good or bad of the Casio action. Yes, one can use logic to claim something is not as good, but logic only goes so far without testing and verifiability.
IMHO, I have a Casio CT-K 6250, and as a beginner I have no idea if its keys are good bad or indifferent, or even if they have the same lever action and weights of the 'problem' keyboard. But I don't care what any expert thinks, because they feel fine to me. And many, many others also do not care if a keyboard at that price point has its black keys weighted differently from its white keys.
I use a twenty year old car. Would I prefer a Tesla Plaid? Yes, if I could own one, but I can't. So I use and enjoy what I have.
I get why Casio had to lighten the black keys it's because they are shorter and, due to the slim design of the keyboard if they weren't lightened they would be even harder to press towards the back it seems that the only solution is to make the keyboard longer frunt to back to make room for longer key sticks or redesign the entire keyboard🎹🎶
It's 2022.. We need
New Cdp 360 vs 160 vs 110
I do like the red px-s1100, it's very girlish~~~
Casio is doing some very cool things in terms of finishes these days! I am a huge fan of the red finish of the PXS1100 as well as the yellow finish of the newly-announced PXS7000. :)
I have seen reviews that state the keyboard action is not that good. The market is so competitive there are a lot of choices out there. Unless I get to play a new Casio, I won't be buying one soon.
Thanks for the video.
I don't agree with action comment "these are under 1000USD pianos so don't expect best action". The problem here is the rivals have a lot better action. If there was only Casio pianos under 1000USD then I'd understand but there are many many many excellent rivals that have much better action in the same price range.
Exactly! And why feel the need to attempt to justify Casios "decision" to make the black keys lighter by blabbering on about how it actually makes sense because of the shorter lever in the black keys
When He actually begins pointing out that these are indeed digital pianos with a flawed action but is not a big deal since these are not intended for any serious professional playing or aimed at professional players
And sure my yamaha p-515's action is certainly heavier than most digital pianos out there but to my surprise after playing a real grand piano at my university, the transition in feel was smooth, every key(although lighter) played at the exact same volume when striked no matter if they were black or white
True🎹🎶
Ertan Ozturk: For great actions under 1000 USD I can only think of Roland FP30X and maybe Korg D1. Maybe a few others scrape in as intermediate (above entry level) but the Yamaha and Kawai DP actions under 1000 USD are seriously oudated. Can you think of more?
The cheapest pro DP IMO is the MP-7SE, which costs a little over 1500 USD. Yes, I consider that to be cheap.
@@luckyluciano8628 You are twisting Stu's words about Casio and Yamaha. At no point did he call either action flawed, not even by innuendo - he merely used the P-515 example to show the opposite extreme within acceptable actions.
@@Zoco101 may I ask how does the PHA4 feels to you when playing?🎹🎶
We all need to cut and paste this video to James Pavel Shawcross.
Leave James alone. He does bring up interesting points from time to time.
@@JoeLinux2000 He does, but he’s gone overboard on this one. He does need to see this. He’s not the end all-be-all on this subject.
I do t understand why you put this subtitle if you start talking about the pxs 1000 and pxs 1100 differences.
This video discusses both the PXS1100 and PXS3100 models, but part of the discussion with each model has to do with the changes that have been made from their predecessors.
P145 vs CDPS160?
P225 vs PXS1100?
P-S500 vs PXS6000?
CSP255 vs PXS7000?
Thanks for the suggestions! We have a number of video reviews/comparisons in the queue right now, but we will do our best to tackle those for you. :)
the fact that you can pay $700 and buy a Steinway sound is mind blowing (is it Steinway?)
Some of the piano sounds are, at the very least, Steinway-esque/Steinway-inspired. With that said, many digital piano enthusiasts speculate that the "German Concert Grand" sound is in fact a Steinway. On that note, Casio's GP310 and GP510 along with a few other models, formally feature Hamburg Steinway Model D samples.
@@MerriamPianos their webpages specifically mention Bechstein... but then they also mention Berlin Grand, Hamburg Grand, Vienna Grand... so Bechstein is headquartered in Berlin, Steinway in Hamburg, would it be Bosendorfer in Vienna? But Bosendorfer was purchased by Yamaha... so I guess unless they just bought the piano and sampled it...
@@MerriamPianos yeah, like Casio AIR Grand technology and PX-S7000, they officially say: 400 Tones including three legendary concert grand pianos (Hamburg, New York, and Berlin) so I guess they mean Hamburg Steinway, NY Steinway, and Bechstein. AIR Grand has Vienna, so it may mean Bosendorfer
A mature, rational discussion on TH-cam? What is this world coming to?
I hope you are getting paid for speaking out for Casio. But at the same time, I think is it worth defending??
As you know, Casio never comes out and explain anything, they pretty much go into a parallel universe once a product is released.
Not to mention how unclear the specs of new products are, just like you mentioned, so hard to find info on Google. And hey, it is 2021, maybe they’r still releasing stuff like in the old days through magazines only published in Japan. Go figure.
I love your piano playing and your reviews are the best.
Also agree. Much ado about nothing. I am not a fan of the guy that found that o sooooo important revelation anyway.... He just deletes comments he does not like. I mentioned the Korg Module and my post disappeared.
He's not the only one who deletes comments.
Shawcross' ego
I'm not clear. Were you playing the 1100? or a 1,000 that you have in stock? Usually you do a lot more playing and less talking. This review was more talk about the upcoming model. What you were playing sounds very "Casio" to me. It's piano like, but doesn't have the tone quality of a good acoustic instrument.
It was a preview. Not a review.
While I am only stating an opinion here, what I hate are these increments in keyboard quality and their different price-based sales game. Why would you even bother to invent something but then cheapen it and still ask people to pay for that piece of crap? If I invented something, I would make sure it is always the best it can be and ask a justifiable and reasonable price to it. Even if I were making variations of the said product, it would still be the best it can be. When profit clouds the purpose of invention and quality, you then come to understand why all these variations poses confusion and many times, a waste with the odd escaped keyboard being an absolute pleasure to own.
Hi! Brent from Merriam Music here! Thank you for tuning in and for writing in! While I know things may seem a little sinister on the service, in many cases there are economically justifiable reasons as to why there are different tiers of actions at different price points that go beyond a sales/marketing structure for product lines. Firstly, there are many cases where the material costs associated with manufacturing an action are simply higher. Naturally, those additional costs to the manufacturer will be reflected in the final retail price of the instrument. An example of this would be wooden actions. The raw material costs of high-quality spruce is far more expensive than plastic. Another thing that manufacturers commonly do is recycle older generations of actions in lower tier models. Given that the manufacturers have already "gotten their money's worth" from the RND of that action, that also factors in. Hopefully, this sheds some light on the matter. :)
You missed the point. The point is that the black keys are lighter than the white keys. Casio's response was to deny that assertion and claim that the gram weight test was carried out incorrectly. Whether a weight difference matters is a subjective opinion. What matters is that a weight difference does exist and that Casio denied it and set about gaslighting the channel of the guy that pointed out the diference. Totally unprofessional .
Hi - Brent from Merriam Music here! While I am familiar with some of the discussion that happens across piano forums and TH-cam comments regarding the differences between the white and black keys of Casio models, I am not personally familiar with Casio's denying of the claims. Perhaps, we can cover this discussion in more detail in a future video. Thanks for tuning in!
9:35 you lost me there buddy sorry. I disagree with that statement.
Thank you for your feedback! We should clarify that the application of any instrument is ultimately defined by the player themselves. The sentiment expressed represents the general intention of these models. However, with that said, we have many customers that are professional, gigging players that use the PXS1100 and PXS3100 models. They certainly do have a wonderful touch and tone and their portability makes them a really amazing instrument for gigging and touring situations.
Shawcross'ego protracted an unnecessary contraversy concerning Casio and Fomidoni's reputation....if it me ,I would have taken him to court, I don't understand the assholia of this (shawcross) musician...I say it again, Casio is about the fun factor,ignore shawcross... this Young fellow at Merriam is the one to listen to
q bosssta.. só ficou falando...
One of the worst piano like keyboard action ever made imo. You get what you pay for. With that said, like you mentioned even some yamaha expensive keys have terrible keys - overly weighted keys. This is even worse because you pay good money. No one should aim to play overly weighted keys, this is not weightifting at the gym! The fingers are precious! The best acoustic pianos have mid weighted keys at most! Anyway, i would buy this only for complete amature and when serious playing starts replace this asap...
I have owned some of the best of Yamaha digital pianos, Roland, and Korg, and I totally disagree with you. To me I play better on this than all others because of the IVORY TEXTURED KEY FEEL and my fingers slip off way less and play more acurately. I don't own a piano as you probably do, but for a digital piano I think this SOUNDS great and FEELS great, and I have a 30 thousand dollar studio with 8 keyboards/ digital pianos.
What keyboard are you referring to when you say one of the worst ever made?
This man is excellent, and also loves the Casio px s3000 which you say is the worst. It did not hinder his playing, but instead he loves it. th-cam.com/video/0wFDQ5cBkdE/w-d-xo.html
The fp90x hurts my hands after an hour or two. It's a real issue. So I'm adding the RD-600 back into the mix, as a controller, just so I can hear the the great sound of the fp90x. I really want to know how roland and yamaha went sideways on this. Were customer really begging for 90gram keys?
@@Johnherlihy1 He is settling down for s3000, he accepts its pros and cons and lives with it. I don't. Moreover, maybe he is not spoiled by playing a real piano for 32 years like me. Your point?
By mistake I bought Casio PX S 3000. Dear friends, never buy Casio, it's just a Toy Quality Piano. Totally waste of money.
Thanks for the review.
IMHO, one the the best things Casio might have included in the upgrade would have been the ability to name registration/setups/patches, or whatever their nomenclature is.
Skipeb3. You are right of course. It would be goood to see even more stage/arranger features on portable pianos.
The good news is that portable piano and stage piano technologies do seem to be merging, so now there are several "light" versions of stage pianos. Where they trim the features is different in each case, but you might get on better with the Roland RD-88 or the FP-60X.
@@Zoco101 Yeah, I looked at the RD88. Spent a few minutes playing the 3000 & the Rd 88 in a Gtr Ctr (all I could stand in there was a few minutes...). The Casio's action, I could deal with, the Roland's... no way. I like my Kawai MP7se, but it seems to get heavier every time I pick it up...
@@skipeb3 I didn't realise you have an MP-7SE. Have you tried using a strong bag/case with wheels/castors? They work really well on floors & paths. I guess the efficacy depends on how many stairs/steps or bits of lawn you have to traverse to get to your gigs. And there is still the issue of loading into the car and onto the stand. But I would give that system a try. Seems funny using a portable piano in preference to your existing stage piano for gigs if you really need stage piano features.
And I didn't realise that you prefer the PX-S1000 action over the Roland FP60X (PHA4) action. I've tried the PHA4, and for me it way outshines the Yamaha GHS action. From what you say the PX-S... actions are really good.
The new Studiologic Numa X Piano 73 is a light, inexpensive, fully featured stage piano. I haven't tried the Fatar action, but I know it includes aftertouch. Pianoman Chuck speaks very well of the Numa X range.