this reminds me of the Mayan conception of time and space, and their metaphysics of relation. They see time as circular, not linear. among ancient peoples they are one of the oldest and most advanced in the fields of sciences like astronomy, irrigation, water filtering, geometry... each sun dictates an era, and we are in the 5th era. it's really complex, and sadly few sources remain, but the Mayan people still exist (albeit, not in the way before colonization) and there are some interesting things you can find out online.
This is a wonderful and tantalizing exposition. Thanks for this. There is so much that seems to chime intuitively but also so much that simply makes my brain sore. The ambition and scope of Whitehead's vision is breath-taking. It's almost equally impressive that someone makes such a conscientious attempt to absorb his scheme and pass it on anew!
This is making me think of things I've heard from Rupert Sheldrake and also things I've heard from Bernardo Kastrup. I think both of them have perspectives that could entwine well with Whitehead's.
As regards the sun, bored hydrogen, and the creation of the universe, in the sun hydrogen has attained an intensity of feeling that must be very satisfying even as it stabilizes and feeds our world. Anyway, thanks again for the clarity you bring to your presentations. It's very impressive and motivating.
Excellent lecture on Whitehead. I've listened to quite a few talks on Whitehead, on YT, and this is the first that explains some of the metaphysical terms and their operation so clearly - really value that part (it starts at 50'30"). I also really like the part about hydrogen atoms becoming suns via INGRESSION - "they want to attain greater order and complexity and deepen their experience." What confidence and daring Whitehead had to seriously propose the Greek believe in Inherent Purpose, so soon after the Modern Age put it to rest. Would love to get a book referral for understanding Whitehead's process metaphysics (no, I don't really want to read his "Process and Reality", thank you)
Great interview on a very important modern non-materialistic thinker! Thanks to both of you for introducing the public to Whitehead's process thinking! 👏👏👏👏👏
This was really good. Just an interesting takeaway: I am a big Terence Mckenna fan. He was a big Whitehead fan. And he had a lot of little idiosyncrasies and favorite words ("bifurcation" comes to mind). Anyways, "concrescence" was another one that Mckenna loved to use. And now I know where he got it.
Outstanding overview, very lucid and comprehensive, with broad knowledge of the relevant historical contexts. If you are trying to work your way through Sherburne's Key to Process and Reality, this is a great place to start first!
I thought it was the precession of Mercury's orbit that Einstein predicted double what Newton did. Was that also the case with the light bending around the sun?
Thank you for bringing these beautiful ideas to enrich our world. I have thought for a long time that consciousness is primary. Isn't it obvious that an electron knows how to be an electron? That's a form of consciousness.
Hey, you want to ask Matt to hit me up to talk about this in terms of dog training? I'm using this for teaching my dogs. Cue prehends, aporia allows the dog to create the abstract reality, the Trigger actualizes. I am using concrescence and whitehead's decision making triad as an anchor. Per the concrescence 50:56 on is the exact process. I'm back again screencapping and bookmarking timecode to go over this again. Hit me up. I think you'll dig what I got going on. Doing this with a critter gets outside the mind. I need assistance too. Peace
So 32:56 is basically saying that we are not detached, other than physically, but our ability to transfer information changes us, and as such makes us all nodes on a network? To draw connection between Whitehead and Dawkins, I would propose that conscious mind is created as an interpreter, and originally created as a kind of AI interpreter to assist the recumbent brain processes in forming patterns from the input from the human body in order for it to better survive more successfully, but as a result of it's ability to interpret, it also becomes a node in a bigger enterprise given that it also has access to organic materials designed to manipulate airwaves into soundwaves in order to communicate trans directionally. When I state words like created, I refer not to an active decision that was made, but through the process of genetic evolution. For example, the hamstring of the thigh hurts, the conscious mind "instinctively" looks at the pain in assessment. The arms usually come down to cover the potentially damaged cells, or they help the conscious mind assess the damage. In a social situation, the networked experience triggers, through tribality motivation of the group survival mechanism, or from the higher concept of empathy alone. The same can be observed in that people investigate other's pain and symptoms with the instinct to protect the whole, or the external individual for increased survival in the future.
I'm not clear on why there is such a thing as the human soul, and don't know how it fits into this situation. If by human soul you are referring to the conscious mind, I don't think that the conscious mind is the protagonist, but rather the slave of the human existence. The subconscious filters information into the the consciousness, so why do we assume the consciousness is the main protagonist. If we as individuals are the conscious part of our brain, then perhaps we should shy from our ego, and assume we are a part of our whole, and not owners of our whole? similar to the way that the governors of a town are lead by the town, but seem to have control over the town.
37:50 - Well, Earth won't be an issue if it's 1-2 billion years from now; by then the Sun will have burned Earth down. If we're still around we'll be either living further out in our own solar system or will have hopped to another star altogether. Proxima Centuri is our nearest neighbor, and is a red dwarf - they can live as long as ten trillion years.
I remmber when i was reading "processes & reality 36 years ago ,alli remmber is that i imagine myself in a colovoir made of mirrors reflecting in all directions to infinity hierarchy mirroring fractaly to infinite numbers non of were real and all were real .
@@oblongtom the "myriad" or "10,000 things" leaves a lot of room for exposition if ya happen to be good at that sort of thing. As does "the One," for that matter.
AAhhhh....if it can't be reproduced in a test tube....it's not knowledge....Scientism is on the way out, ultimate reality cannot be found in a test tube, and conscious, sentient beings are capable of much more knowledge than experimental fact, reality is pregnant with information, in fact the material realm is derivative of information, "it's are from bits" Dr. Archibald Wheeler, and information is only useful, in fact, only exists, for sentient, intelligent cognizers!!
@@rl7012 Mechanics and gravitation, which enables us to navigate spacecraft to the further most reaches of the solar system, medicines, germ theory, electromagnetic theory, atomic theory, thermodynamics, quantum theory, special relativity, general relativity, engineering theories such as the theory of structure, chemistry, … is that a sufficient list? Or are you just a moron?
"Why is the wavelength repeating that pattern? Because it's enjoyable". Love it; my kind of philosophy.
this reminds me of the Mayan conception of time and space, and their metaphysics of relation. They see time as circular, not linear. among ancient peoples they are one of the oldest and most advanced in the fields of sciences like astronomy, irrigation, water filtering, geometry... each sun dictates an era, and we are in the 5th era. it's really complex, and sadly few sources remain, but the Mayan people still exist (albeit, not in the way before colonization) and there are some interesting things you can find out online.
This is a wonderful and tantalizing exposition. Thanks for this. There is so much that seems to chime intuitively but also so much that simply makes my brain sore. The ambition and scope of Whitehead's vision is breath-taking. It's almost equally impressive that someone makes such a conscientious attempt to absorb his scheme and pass it on anew!
I'm with the soreheads. 😵💫(Green Fire, UK) 🌈🦉
I recommend Terrence Mckenna and Rupert Sheldrake as other minds that interpret Whitehead brilliantly. Not easy...
I am getting so old. Matthew looks soooo young. 🙂 I guess we all eventually pass the torch along sooner or later.
This is making me think of things I've heard from Rupert Sheldrake and also things I've heard from Bernardo Kastrup. I think both of them have perspectives that could entwine well with Whitehead's.
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Merlin Sheldrake completing the loop for you here!
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Is this network of events like Indra's Net?
Here we are 👋🏼
Sheldrake is explicitly influenced by Whitehead and Bergson.
Just amazingly explored and articulated- thank you!
As regards the sun, bored hydrogen, and the creation of the universe, in the sun hydrogen has attained an intensity of feeling that must be very satisfying even as it stabilizes and feeds our world. Anyway, thanks again for the clarity you bring to your presentations. It's very impressive and motivating.
Excellent lecture on Whitehead. I've listened to quite a few talks on Whitehead, on YT, and this is the first that explains some of the metaphysical terms and their operation so clearly - really value that part (it starts at 50'30"). I also really like the part about hydrogen atoms becoming suns via INGRESSION - "they want to attain greater order and complexity and deepen their experience." What confidence and daring Whitehead had to seriously propose the Greek believe in Inherent Purpose, so soon after the Modern Age put it to rest. Would love to get a book referral for understanding Whitehead's process metaphysics (no, I don't really want to read his "Process and Reality", thank you)
Wonderful presentation. Thank you so much.
Great interview on a very important modern non-materialistic thinker! Thanks to both of you for introducing the public to Whitehead's process thinking! 👏👏👏👏👏
This was really good. Just an interesting takeaway: I am a big Terence Mckenna fan. He was a big Whitehead fan. And he had a lot of little idiosyncrasies and favorite words ("bifurcation" comes to mind). Anyways, "concrescence" was another one that Mckenna loved to use. And now I know where he got it.
Outstanding overview, very lucid and comprehensive, with broad knowledge of the relevant historical contexts. If you are trying to work your way through Sherburne's Key to Process and Reality, this is a great place to start first!
I thought it was the precession of Mercury's orbit that Einstein predicted double what Newton did. Was that also the case with the light bending around the sun?
Thank you for bringing these beautiful ideas to enrich our world.
I have thought for a long time that consciousness is primary.
Isn't it obvious that an electron knows how to be an electron? That's a form of consciousness.
The introduction of the concept of Reification alone justifies the time spent watching this video.
Hey, you want to ask Matt to hit me up to talk about this in terms of dog training? I'm using this for teaching my dogs. Cue prehends, aporia allows the dog to create the abstract reality, the Trigger actualizes. I am using concrescence and whitehead's decision making triad as an anchor. Per the concrescence 50:56 on is the exact process.
I'm back again screencapping and bookmarking timecode to go over this again.
Hit me up. I think you'll dig what I got going on. Doing this with a critter gets outside the mind. I need assistance too.
Peace
Thank you for this research !!
So 32:56 is basically saying that we are not detached, other than physically, but our ability to transfer information changes us, and as such makes us all nodes on a network?
To draw connection between Whitehead and Dawkins, I would propose that conscious mind is created as an interpreter, and originally created as a kind of AI interpreter to assist the recumbent brain processes in forming patterns from the input from the human body in order for it to better survive more successfully, but as a result of it's ability to interpret, it also becomes a node in a bigger enterprise given that it also has access to organic materials designed to manipulate airwaves into soundwaves in order to communicate trans directionally.
When I state words like created, I refer not to an active decision that was made, but through the process of genetic evolution.
For example, the hamstring of the thigh hurts, the conscious mind "instinctively" looks at the pain in assessment. The arms usually come down to cover the potentially damaged cells, or they help the conscious mind assess the damage.
In a social situation, the networked experience triggers, through tribality motivation of the group survival mechanism, or from the higher concept of empathy alone. The same can be observed in that people investigate other's pain and symptoms with the instinct to protect the whole, or the external individual for increased survival in the future.
"The Big Bang didn't just happen in the past and was done; it's still Banging". Love that kind of talk
@Xaviar 77versus99 please expand on this thesis?
I love that they use the principal of invoking agreement from your imaginary friend to prove their religious belief.
It sounds like ‘panpsychism’ is a diagnostic label for those who are not able (or not willing) to visualise the process of an emergent phenomena?
Please provide this topic pdf
I think there's a video hidden in ads
We are living in an organism (we call the universe) which is itself alive.
Experience goes all the way down.
due to poisons in our bodies . . .
Amazed!
Very helpful!
meshwork with dewdrops on a spiderweb reminds me strongly of Indra's net.
Excellent 👍
No Deleuze?
perhaps i am missing the concept a little
Hello. Wow. Thank you.
Oddly I see similarities with whitehead and Alan Watts. The bow of the boat , Indra’s net ,
I'm not clear on why there is such a thing as the human soul, and don't know how it fits into this situation. If by human soul you are referring to the conscious mind, I don't think that the conscious mind is the protagonist, but rather the slave of the human existence. The subconscious filters information into the the consciousness, so why do we assume the consciousness is the main protagonist. If we as individuals are the conscious part of our brain, then perhaps we should shy from our ego, and assume we are a part of our whole, and not owners of our whole?
similar to the way that the governors of a town are lead by the town, but seem to have control over the town.
37:50 - Well, Earth won't be an issue if it's 1-2 billion years from now; by then the Sun will have burned Earth down. If we're still around we'll be either living further out in our own solar system or will have hopped to another star altogether. Proxima Centuri is our nearest neighbor, and is a red dwarf - they can live as long as ten trillion years.
Amazing that physics conclude that time is not fundamental.
Why doesn’t the superject become a prehension for the next concrescience?
That is some beard, pal.
All things considered, Bohm’s work seems much more coherent than Whitehead’s.
Been reading whitehead for 50 years and I don't understand him at all. Russell I get
I remmber when i was reading "processes & reality 36 years ago ,alli remmber is that i imagine myself in a colovoir made of mirrors reflecting in all directions to infinity hierarchy mirroring fractaly to infinite numbers non of were real and all were real .
Russell was Panpsychist
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So many ridiculous notions of dogmatic thinking here.
Whitehead is deliberately too technical and obscurantist. Brilliant ideas though.
Not that odd, ANW is pretty much a Daoist who overthunks it
@@oblongtom the "myriad" or "10,000 things" leaves a lot of room for exposition if ya happen to be good at that sort of thing. As does "the One," for that matter.
During this 1hr presentation there are approximately 417 "Ums"
“Not everything that counts can be counted. Not everything that can be counted counts.” - (attr.) A. Einstein
@@lsdc1 there is an app for that
Way too many before he even started.
Too many 'errrms', 'ah', 'erm', 'em' 'errrrrrrrr' etc.
A speaker that uses arr and um so frequently doesnt really know their subject
It is so off putting too
Empty waffle. Produce a testable theory and then you will have produced something worthwhile. Everything else is piffle.
AAhhhh....if it can't be reproduced in a test tube....it's not knowledge....Scientism is on the way out, ultimate reality cannot be found in a test tube, and conscious, sentient beings are capable of much more knowledge than experimental fact, reality is pregnant with information, in fact the material realm is derivative of information, "it's are from bits" Dr. Archibald Wheeler, and information is only useful, in fact, only exists, for sentient, intelligent cognizers!!
What testable theory does empirical science have then?
@@rl7012 Mechanics and gravitation, which enables us to navigate spacecraft to the further most reaches of the solar system, medicines, germ theory, electromagnetic theory, atomic theory, thermodynamics, quantum theory, special relativity, general relativity, engineering theories such as the theory of structure, chemistry, … is that a sufficient list? Or are you just a moron?
what a beard